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pieguyn

Sakura wrote:

Also im 95% sure i know who this metal sonic guy is, and im also not going to policy lynch him because i believe in second chances.
<3

(i invited him over here btw if that wasn't obvious from all my fufufu-ing ~)
GuyInFreezer
Hello.

There are 4 factions in this game.

GIF out

...for now.
GuyInFreezer
Actually before I leave

We will commence massclaiming.

Thanks and have a great night.
pieguyn
I'd be up for it.
Navizel
I don't mind.
GuyInFreezer
There's no option for this one.

Claim upon your next post.

Inb4 "GIF you claim too"
(To be honest you discarding town card makes you town but massclaiming)
GuyInFreezer
Don't say your opinion about massclaiming.

Just claim please.
Sakura
Here's my claim:
Vote: GIF
GuyInFreezer
Scared?

Because knowing the # of total factions with quick massclaim gives town a great headstart
MBomb
I would be against a massclaim.
Skullmaster4
oh crap
I'm already being put under suspicion, and I don't blame you.
I discarded Town Cop for two main reasons, One, I was a Town weak cop last game, and I kinda wanted to try a diffrent role then cop.
Second, I thought the other card would be slightly more beneficial to the town.
Anyway, I do agree that everyone who discarded town cards should be watched, even if that includes me. But with how this setup goes, anyone who discarded Alien and Mafia cards aren't completely off the hook, and it's entirely possible for someone to get two town cards.
Also, the people who just bandwagoned me is suspicous. I understand RVS at the start of the game, and it is suspicous for me to simply discard a Town Cop card, so the first person who voted is probably fine, but I have the same chance of being evil as everyone else who discarded town.
Anyways, I'm going to look back at some posts and I may vote.
MBomb
Vote: - Magic Bomb -

judging people based off what they discarded isn't the best idea btw
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Scared?

Because knowing the # of total factions with quick massclaim gives town a great headstart
How does that even find the total # of factions?
GuyInFreezer
No role is worth saving in this setup especially when we are expecting at most 3 anti-town nightkills.

We are not gonna nightplay this setup.
We're gonna dayplay it before scums rip us apart.
GuyInFreezer
I literally said in my first post that there are 4 factions in this game.
MBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Vote: - Magic Bomb -

judging people based off what they discarded isn't the best idea btw
*hence why i'm acting as if RVS isn't over
Sakura
Ok fine, but dont make me regret it later.

I'm a town tracker.
Sakura
Also
Unvote
MBomb
I could claim, but I don't like that idea.
pieguyn
town jailkeeper
GuyInFreezer

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I could claim, but I don't like that idea.
Claim now or I will assume that you're frantically looking at the list for a fakeclaim.
MBomb

GuyInFreezer wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I could claim, but I don't like that idea.
Claim now or I will assume that you're frantically looking at the list for a fakeclaim.
If I roleclaim you're gonna take it as a fakeclaim anyway.
Sakura
Now you have your next post to tell me why it was a good idea to claim D1 as a town tracker or i'm going to vote you and never unvote you for the rest of today.
pieguyn
:|

vote: - Magic Bomb -
Skullmaster4
I am also against a mass claim.
While it may be beneficial in finding scum, the scum would know pretty much all the roles they need to target. And I don't want all of our power roles being NK'd N1.
GuyInFreezer
Tracker is useless in role madness in terms of catching scum via visits.
MBomb
Also, I'd just like to now

Unvote
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Tracker is useless in role madness in terms of catching scum via visits.
Who says that's all a tracker does?
Navizel
Actually, I think I'll wait until the others have claimed.
Sakura
But i totally can't catch scum fake claiming or confirming town targets, am i right?
pieguyn
what GIF said is theoretically sound

"scum knowing all the roles they need to target" is a poor argument in a game where practically everyone is going to have some sort of PR

same thing with "lol PRs being killed N1", especially when there could be up to 3 kills/night.
GuyInFreezer

Skullmaster4 wrote:

I am also against a mass claim.
While it may be beneficial in finding scum, the scum would know pretty much all the roles they need to target. And I don't want all of our power roles being NK'd N1.
Did you read my post?

We are NOT going to use our PRs to find scum.
We dont have time for that with potential 3+ nightkills per night.

Our priority is to get as many as town as posible.
pieguyn
tldr: don't fuck around being like "ono massclaim :<:<", just do it. it'll pay off later.
pieguyn

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If I roleclaim you're gonna take it as a fakeclaim anyway.
this post is scummy af btw
GuyInFreezer

Sakura wrote:

But i totally can't catch scum fake claiming or confirming town targets, am i right?
Tracker gets only useful in late game.
With 4 factions there's no late game.
MBomb

pieguyn wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If I roleclaim you're gonna take it as a fakeclaim anyway.
this post is scummy af btw
cool, as are you.
GuyInFreezer
Vote: MB

Scum #1
pieguyn

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

cool, as are you.
lol
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Sakura wrote:

But i totally can't catch scum fake claiming or confirming town targets, am i right?
Tracker gets only useful in late game.
With 4 factions there's no late game.
You're already assuming 4 factions.
While the possbility is there, there is no guarantee that there's that many.
This AtP to get claims is scumm af

Vote: GIF
FoS: pieguyn
GuyInFreezer
There are no roles in this game that will sound fake because this is a semi-open game.
pieguyn

Sakura wrote:

You're already assuming 4 factions.
While the possbility is there, there is no guarantee that there's that many.
This AtP to get claims is scumm af

Vote: GIF
FoS: pieguyn
read the role list
MBomb
lmao trying to scumpaint me for not roleclaiming.

it's gonna be taken as a fakeclaim anyway because it'd be an obvious thing to fakeclaim.
GuyInFreezer
I'm not assuming 4 factions.

I know there are 4 factions.

I'm a clairvoyant.
Skullmaster4

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Skullmaster4 wrote:

I am also against a mass claim.
While it may be beneficial in finding scum, the scum would know pretty much all the roles they need to target. And I don't want all of our power roles being NK'd N1.
Did you read my post?

We are NOT going to use our PRs to find scum.
We dont have time for that with potential 3+ nightkills per night.

Our priority is to get as many as town as posible.
*sigh*
I understand how scummy I am being, I really do, but I have an important reason to not want to claim.
I can't say anymore.
MBomb
I don't have an important reason not to claim, I just don't want to. :D
GuyInFreezer

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

lmao trying to scumpaint me for not roleclaiming.

it's gonna be taken as a fakeclaim anyway because it'd be an obvious thing to fakeclaim.
If you're town why the help do you care about your claim sounding fake?

You're telling the truth after all.
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

I'm not assuming 4 factions.

I know there are 4 factions.

I'm a clairvoyant.
Oh so that's what clairvoyant does?

I just looked at the roles list and i still don't get it.
MBomb

GuyInFreezer wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

lmao trying to scumpaint me for not roleclaiming.

it's gonna be taken as a fakeclaim anyway because it'd be an obvious thing to fakeclaim.
If you're town why the help do you care about your claim sounding fake?

You're telling the truth after all.
Because it's what I would fakeclaim if I was scum.
GuyInFreezer
Sakura
So that still doesn't help me.
You could be mafia wanting to out the ammount of roles.

I don't understand this strategy nor why or how it'll help us.
GuyInFreezer
More factions = less chances of having duplicate roles as town.
Navizel
By the way, one of the factions is a Grey Goo.
Navizel
No other goos exist.
pieguyn

pieguyn wrote:

what GIF said is theoretically sound

"scum knowing all the roles they need to target" is a poor argument in a game where practically everyone is going to have some sort of PR

same thing with "lol PRs being killed N1", especially when there could be up to 3 kills/night.
for fuck's sake

please don't make me wall theory about why D1 massclaim is a good idea in this setup. you're also missing that the point of doing it instantaneously is so that scum don't have any time to plan a claim/are forced into a suboptimal claim that might fuck them over.
Sakura
Meanwhile im starting to regret inning to this game if we're just gonna game the system instead of playing actual mafia.
GuyInFreezer
Non-closed-setup will always have an optimization of playing.
But not enough optimization to just gamebreak with it alone.
MBomb
fuck it i give up on hiding my role

i picked vt

discarded that card because i picked mafia in my last game similar to this and honestly just kinda found it annoying to play in a setup like this.

didn't want to rc so that i may get targetted N1 to save a PR.
MBomb
and ofc, VT sounds like the fakest claim there is, it's what I fakeclaimed in the game like this where I was scum, if I remember correctly.
GuyInFreezer
Keep the claims going
MBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

discarded that card because i picked mafia in my last game similar to this and honestly just kinda found it annoying to play in a setup like this.
Oh also because being Mafia Traitor just sounds annoying to play imo.
Skullmaster4
Actually, this claim does make a bit of sense.
I say we trust MB for now, but keep watching him.
GuyInFreezer
Claim

It's very antitown to not claim when massclaim is going.
DakeDekaane
He just asked to claim your role, no need to get that deep.

I got only vanilla roles so take a guess.
Sakura
Dunno, this seems way too crazy.

I still think GIF and pieguyn are scum.
I don't believe that you can easily break the system enough to find all the scum with this in forum mafia and probably chat/F2F would be beter (i.e. metal sonic isn't around and probably wont be around for a few hours, so he can very well read up and make something up if scum). This is not optimal and both GIF and pie should know this, this wont work, and while i can believe GIF's claim, that doesn't mean I believe he's town or has town motivation for this strategy.
GuyInFreezer
Plus, I want to know why you ditched town cop which is one of the strongest role in this game.
Sakura
Also i love how pieguy says everyone's going to "be a PR" and we got 2 VTs already.
DakeDekaane
I can see where are you getting at, poor of us.
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Plus, I want to know why you ditched town cop which is one of the strongest role in this game.
It's not, COAT is.
MBomb
Cop isn't particularly strong in this setup due to the amount of factions. Someone can be antitown but not mafia.
Sakura

pieguyn wrote:

please don't make me wall theory about why D1 massclaim is a good idea in this setup
So you better get started on this if you want to convince me that this is actually a good idea.
GuyInFreezer
Mafia are the only anti-town faction in this game that are very threatening because of the consecutive nightkills.

Third parties can't kill, goos can't kill, and aliens iirc can only make one nightkill. Any anti-mafia roles are very strong in this game.
DakeDekaane
tbh I can't see both GIF and pieguy as Mafia/Alien buddies, it's a big risk I doubt they'll be wanting to run, given there could be another killing faction (in case they are one).
DakeDekaane
Alternatively, we could lynch one to clear the other.
GuyInFreezer
If you believe my clairvoyant claim, I can only be town or mafia.
DakeDekaane
Unless one is buddying the other, in that case, I take back my words.
Topic Starter
Zexion
And everyone chose to take the democratic way of finding the culprits. I'm just glad I'm hiding here instead of being out there... where I can be killed... that's scary.

Meanwhile, I am only able to find calculus books...


Votecount 1.1
- Magic Bomb - [2] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer
DakeDekaane [1] - Drezi
GuyInFreezer [1] - Sakura
metal sonic1 [1] - Ace Timing
Skullmaster4 [1] - Navizel
Ace Timing [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
pieguyn [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -
Frostings [0] -

Not Voting [6] - -[Jess]-, metal sonic1, Frostings, Skullmaster4, DakeDekaane, - Magic Bomb -
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC. That is exactly 12 days from now on.
Deadline for confirmations is exactly 24 hours after this post, December 13th, 9:40PM UTC.
GuyInFreezer
Also third parties in this game has no reason to hide their claim so via massclaiming we will know exactly which factions are in play.
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Mafia are the only anti-town faction in this game that are very threatening because of the consecutive nightkills.

Third parties can't kill, goos can't kill, and aliens iirc can only make one nightkill. Any anti-mafia roles are very strong in this game.
Yet you were talking about potential 3+ kills a night...
Yeaaah no.
Skullmaster4
Dammit.
I really don't like claiming, but I might as well if you are all going to.
I am a 1-Shot day Vigilante.
I doubt I will survive until D2. That's why I will probably use my kill today.
If I get dayvigged, nobody trust the person who killed me. But thinking about it more, I doubt that if there is a mafia day vigilante that they would reveal themselves pretty much as mafia just to kill the other day Vigilante.
DakeDekaane
In that time we didn't know there was no Red Goo, so yeah.
Sakura

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Dammit.
I really don't like claiming, but I might as well if you are all going to.
I am a 1-Shot day Vigilante.
I doubt I will survive until D2. That's why I will probably use my kill today.
If I get dayvigged, nobody trust the person who killed me. But thinking about it more, I doubt that if there is a mafia day vigilante that they would reveal themselves pretty much as mafia just to kill the other day Vigilante.
1) Don't edit your posts
2) Please shoot GIF then.
GuyInFreezer
Aliens can make a separate nightkills iirc.

Also apparently red goo can kill too.
Man this is getting worse.
GuyInFreezer
I'm fine with dying btw

It confirms 4 factions to everyone, and massclaim will go through without resistance.
DakeDekaane
Although Aliens have limited NKs, 3 isn't a nice number.
Topic Starter
Zexion

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Dammit.
I really don't like claiming, but I might as well if you are all going to.
I am a 1-Shot day Vigilante.
I doubt I will survive until D2. That's why I will probably use my kill today.
If I get dayvigged, nobody trust the person who killed me. But thinking about it more, I doubt that if there is a mafia day vigilante that they would reveal themselves pretty much as mafia just to kill the other day Vigilante.
Not again. Please, Don't edit your post under any circumstances. This is a warning for everyone: next one to edit their posts will be modkilled.
MBomb
I think pieguy is more likely to be scum than GIF.
MBomb

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Aliens can make a separate nightkills iirc.

Also apparently red goo can kill too.
Man this is getting worse.
There is no red goo, if Navizel is telling the truth.
Navizel

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Aliens can make a separate nightkills iirc.

Also apparently red goo can kill too.
Man this is getting worse.
There is NO Red Goo. Only GREY. No other Goos either.
Skullmaster4

Sakura wrote:

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Dammit.
I really don't like claiming, but I might as well if you are all going to.
I am a 1-Shot day Vigilante.
I doubt I will survive until D2. That's why I will probably use my kill today.
If I get dayvigged, nobody trust the person who killed me. But thinking about it more, I doubt that if there is a mafia day vigilante that they would reveal themselves pretty much as mafia just to kill the other day Vigilante.
1) Don't edit your posts
2) Please shoot GIF then.
Yeah, I got caught on that one didn't I.
I was just editing out a mistyped "I". No game changing info, so don't worry, but it's a rule nevertheless. I apologies and I won't do it again.
Also, I am not going to shoot anyone yet, I'm going to wait a bit. Shooting a townie might end up losing the town the game.
Frostings
RVS reads:

town
gif
pieguy
sm4

not town, same faction:
mb sakura

supicious:
Drezi ms1

Vote: MB
DakeDekaane
I don't understand Drezi voting me after our exchange.
Frostings

GuyInFreezer wrote:

We will commence massclaiming.

Frostings wrote:

please no reroll I got my favourite role :)
Topic Starter
Zexion
"The Stone–Weierstrass theorem


The Weierstrass approximation theorem states that every continuous function defined on a closed interval [a, b] can be uniformly approximated as closely as desired by a polynomial function. Because polynomials are among the simplest functions, and because computers can directly evaluate polynomials, this theorem has both practical and theoretical relevance, especially in polynomial interpolation.

The Stone–Weierstrass theorem can be used to prove the following two statements which go beyond Weierstrass's result.
If  f  is a continuous real-valued function defined on the set [a, b] × [c, d] and ε > 0, then there exists a polynomial function p in two variables such that | f (x, y) − p(x, y) | < ε for all x in [a, b] and y in [c, d].If X and Y are two compact Hausdorff spaces and f : X × Y → R is a continuous function, then for every ε > 0 there exist n > 0 and continuous functions  f1, ...,  fn  on X and continuous functions g1, ..., gn on Y such that || f − ∑ fi gi || < ε.The theorem has many other applications to analysis, including..."

...

Yeah I need something else to do in the meanwhile.

Votecount 1.2
- Magic Bomb - [3] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Frostings
DakeDekaane [1] - Drezi
GuyInFreezer [1] - Sakura
metal sonic1 [1] - Ace Timing
Skullmaster4 [1] - Navizel
Ace Timing [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
pieguyn [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -
Frostings [0] -

Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, metal sonic1, Skullmaster4, DakeDekaane, - Magic Bomb -
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Deadline for confirmations is December 13th, 9:40PM UTC.
Sakura

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Yeah, I got caught on that one didn't I.
I was just editing out a mistyped "I". No game changing info, so don't worry, but it's a rule nevertheless. I apologies and I won't do it again.
Also, I am not going to shoot anyone yet, I'm going to wait a bit. Shooting a townie might end up losing the town the game.
We have no way to tell what you were actually changing just dont do it, if you have a typo you can make a NEW post saying that "this was supposed to be read X instead of Y because typo". Also dont try to do things without getting caught things like this will get you banned from most games because they dont want a player trying to evade the rules without "getting caught"

On-Topic:
Vote: pieguyn
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

RVS reads:

town
gif
pieguy
sm4

not town, same faction:
mb sakura

supicious:
Drezi ms1

Vote: MB
Why is sonic suspicious? He hasn't even posted, yet you're pairing him with someoen that has actually posted (and did nothing of note)
Skullmaster4

Sakura wrote:

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Yeah, I got caught on that one didn't I.
I was just editing out a mistyped "I". No game changing info, so don't worry, but it's a rule nevertheless. I apologies and I won't do it again.
Also, I am not going to shoot anyone yet, I'm going to wait a bit. Shooting a townie might end up losing the town the game.
We have no way to tell what you were actually changing just dont do it, if you have a typo you can make a NEW post saying that "this was supposed to be read X instead of Y because typo". Also dont try to do things without getting caught things like this will get you banned from most games because they dont want a player trying to evade the rules without "getting caught"

On-Topic:
Vote: pieguyn
Yeah, this is fair. On the other main forum site I'm on edits don't get shown if it's edited within about 30 seconds or so, I messed up in forgeting that this site works differently.
I just posted it, saw the mistake and wanted to fix it since it's kind of just a reflex for me now. xD
Now can we move on from this topic? If we talk about me messing up in this game each time I mess up, we will be off topic during the whole day phase.
Sakura
I'm moving on from that topic, I already did.

Why are you focusing on it.
GuyInFreezer
Sakura

Do you really think pie would ditch town to get scumrole?
Sakura
Possibly!
Sakura
Granted, you're probably right about that.
Vote: Frostings
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