okay, solved
Now wait for MG's mod
Now wait for MG's mod
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ikumi - Watashi no 71% <OVA ver.> [CatchTheBeat]
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Topic Starter
Yeah, but we just need to calm down and make sure as much as possible.koliron wrote:
hu
This should already be qualified~
I will recheck soon, just waiting for one more mod. Rushing these things compromises quality and risks a potential DQ.Equim wrote:
Yeah, but we just need to calm down and make sure as much as possible.koliron wrote:
hu
This should already be qualified~
More mods and more time in Pending is a good thing.
You need one more mod? hmm... ok. I'll do this for Equim ~ deserves a ranked map, much better mapper than me!
I'll only mod Equim's difficulties, as AFB's and Xinely's seem to be fine after a playtest on both and reading previous mods.
General
Everything seems okay!
(Besides the hitsound which JBHyperion said was fine after checking)
Cup
Unfettered
Feel free to deny anything you don't like, it's just suggestions, and you're very close to rank, so there shouldn't be much serious things to change. Amazing job Equim, you deserve this rank <3
I'll only mod Equim's difficulties, as AFB's and Xinely's seem to be fine after a playtest on both and reading previous mods.
- 00:56:532 (1,1,2,1) - Maybe this would flow better? Don't mind the timeline, I pushed it together so you could see placement of each note.
- 01:20:885 (1) - Start this on the previous red tick like you did at 02:56:708 (1) - for consistency
- 01:38:002 (4,5) - not that big of a deal, but maybe turn this into a slider?
- 01:07:650 (4,1) - This note sounds the same as every other, but has a hyperdash. In my opinion, there is no noise here that allows for one.
- 01:31:473 (3) - maybe turn this into a curved slider into 01:32:002 (1) - ? Then, 01:32:002 (1) - can hyperdash a bit easier.
- 02:09:061 (3) - these droplets hurt my soul
- 02:17:708 (4,5) - unwarranted HDash?
Note that when these HDash advice come up, it's mainly because the noises remain the same, and then on one of the noises you decide to put an HDash, which in my opinion causes some inconsistency. - 03:11:708 (4,5,6) - I think it's best not to separate these notes, but rather give them even spacing.
Feel free to deny anything you don't like, it's just suggestions, and you're very close to rank, so there shouldn't be much serious things to change. Amazing job Equim, you deserve this rank <3
Topic Starter
Others are fixed.Ascendance wrote:
You need one more mod? hmm... ok. I'll do this for Equim ~ deserves a ranked map, much better mapper than me!
I'll only mod Equim's difficulties, as AFB's and Xinely's seem to be fine after a playtest on both and reading previous mods.Everything seems okay! (Besides the hitsound which JBHyperion said was fine after checking) One of the most creative cups I've seen since Magic Bomb's EE spread mapset. Great job
- 00:56:532 (1,1,2,1) - Maybe this would flow better? Don't mind the timeline, I pushed it together so you could see placement of each note. There is no sound at 00:57:414 - .
- 01:20:885 (1) - Start this on the previous red tick like you did at 02:56:708 (1) - for consistency
- 01:38:002 (4,5) - not that big of a deal, but maybe turn this into a slider? no, I'd like to keep.
It's important that you take a look at all hypers/potential hypers to see if they are placed inconsistently or on not-strong beats.
- 01:07:650 (4,1) - This note sounds the same as every other, but has a hyperdash. In my opinion, there is no noise here that allows for one. lol, that's the suggestion from the last mod. I think it's fine.
- 01:31:473 (3) - maybe turn this into a curved slider into 01:32:002 (1) - ? Then, 01:32:002 (1) - can hyperdash a bit easier. curved 01:29:002 (1) - as well.
- 02:09:061 (3) - these droplets hurt my soul This slider is suggested by MB. I've been trying my best to trim all the droplets. It looks bad but it plays well.
- 02:17:708 (4,5) - unwarranted HDash? Hard to change that now. But I think sometimes we need some slightly extraordinary HDashes to prevent it from being too boring.
Note that when these HDash advice come up, it's mainly because the noises remain the same, and then on one of the noises you decide to put an HDash, which in my opinion causes some inconsistency.- 03:11:708 (4,5,6) - I think it's best not to separate these notes, but rather give them even spacing. No! This part is really enjoyable! When you flip the catcher to the right at 03:11:797 (5,6) - , the inertia can bring you to the next pattern. You can find similar patterns in CLSW's Towa.
Feel free to deny anything you don't like, it's just suggestions, and you're very close to rank, so there shouldn't be much serious things to change. Amazing job Equim, you deserve this rank <3
Thank you!
you asked me to recheck back the unfettered (no kd pls)
just a small nazi improvement (you can disregard it if you want to)
02:52:297 (1) - ctrl+ h and move to x: 448 for better movement
other than that, no big issue for me on my behalf :^)
get it ranked already
kk bye
just a small nazi improvement (you can disregard it if you want to)
02:52:297 (1) - ctrl+ h and move to x: 448 for better movement
other than that, no big issue for me on my behalf :^)
get it ranked already
kk bye
Topic Starter
Thank you for your help anyways!Kagari wrote:
you asked me to recheck back the unfettered (no kd pls)
just a small nazi improvement (you can disregard it if you want to)
02:52:297 (1) - ctrl+ h and move to x: 448 for better movement No, I need to keep the consecutive of 02:52:297 (1,2,3) - and 02:49:473 (1,2,3) - .
other than that, no big issue for me on my behalf :^)
get it ranked already
kk bye
koliron wrote:
hu
This should already be qualified~
Seriously, you people have no patience >.<
Just a couple of final points to consider, nothing major (no kudosu):
Cup
Nely's Platter
Just a couple of final points to consider, nothing major (no kudosu):
- 02:59:355 (2,1) - This is maybe a little too large and uncomfortable a spacing for this difficulty. I'd move 02:58:650 (1,2) to x-232, which reduces the DS from a borderline 1.7x to a more reasonable 1.5x
- 03:35:356 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I feel making this stream a bit more curved would be nice, it feels a bit plain considering you're reaching the climax to the song
It took a while, but I feel this is ready to go now, so let's fix that bubble 
Good luck guys :3
Rebubbled~
Good luck guys :3
Rebubbled~
Good luck
oh yea
hype
hype
nuke because afb guest diff, remove this diff and we can rank
ayyAscendance wrote:
nuke because afb guest diff, remove this diff and we can rank
General
Nely's Platter
Rain
- Difficulty Spread : Fine
- Unsnapped objects : Fine
- Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : The mp3 has 256 kbps which is unrankable
- Metadata Issues : Fine
- Timeline Issues : Fine
- Combo Colors : Fine
- Unused hitsounds : Fine
- Hitsounds Issues : Fine
- Inaudible hitsounds : Fine
- 00:23:708 (4) - I'd move this to a bit right
- 00:35:002 (4) - this is tough considering it's relaxing part. I'd suggest moving it to the right a bit.
- 00:41:002 (5) - Move this to the right for the better flow
- 01:40:296 (1) - the slider here can be moved to a bit right
- 02:05:355 (3) - ^
- 00:14:086 (1) - It's wrongly snapped. Make it 1/12 triplelet which starts at 00:14:086 and should end at 00:14:204 - , like this picture
Topic Starter
@JBHSpectator wrote:
General
- Difficulty Spread : Fine
- Unsnapped objects : Fine
- Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : The mp3 has 256 kbps which is unrankable Are you sure? It is 189kbps.
- Metadata Issues : Fine
- Timeline Issues : Fine
- Combo Colors : Fine
- Unused hitsounds : Fine
- Hitsounds Issues : Fine
- Inaudible hitsounds : Fine
- 00:14:086 (1) - It's wrongly snapped. Make it 1/12 triplelet which starts at 00:14:086 and should end at 00:14:204 - , like this picture okay (where is the picture o.o?
Besides what Spec mentioned above, the only changes are:
- 01:26:002 (4,1) - NC change.
- combo color change:SPOILERold:
[Colours]
Combo1 : 255,185,220
Combo2 : 255,128,255
Combo3 : 255,119,187
Combo4 : 255,147,147
Combo5 : 255,204,204
new:[Colours]
[Colours]
Combo1 : 177,80,250
Combo2 : 255,106,255
Combo3 : 255,100,177
Combo4 : 254,162,122
Combo5 : 234,97,137
I checked the audio bitrate just now - it does seem to be a little over what it should be. Typical sampling frequency for a 192 kbps audio file is around 18 - 18.5 kHz, I've compared the original and a new transcoded 192kbps audio file below:
As you can see by comparing the peak frequencies at drop-off, the original is a little higher than it should be. Though the difference is minimal, it might be best to go with a new mp3 and be convinced of it having the correct bitrate. The 189 kbps tag can be assigned to the mp3 just like any other (artist, genre, etc.) so it's best not to rely on it. This is usually a problem when converting "up" - you can't "add" information when manipulating the bitrate, so if you take a sucky mp3 and put it inside a high-quality "container", it will appear to have decent quality when it actually doesn't. Actual bitrate being higher than stated is less common, but seems to be the case here.
Here's the new 192 kbps mp3 - new offset 2945 (but please ask someone to confirm this)
Also, regarding the wrongly snapped triplet, this is a good spot - the correct snapping is this (with the new mp3/offset)
As you can see by comparing the peak frequencies at drop-off, the original is a little higher than it should be. Though the difference is minimal, it might be best to go with a new mp3 and be convinced of it having the correct bitrate. The 189 kbps tag can be assigned to the mp3 just like any other (artist, genre, etc.) so it's best not to rely on it. This is usually a problem when converting "up" - you can't "add" information when manipulating the bitrate, so if you take a sucky mp3 and put it inside a high-quality "container", it will appear to have decent quality when it actually doesn't. Actual bitrate being higher than stated is less common, but seems to be the case here.
Here's the new 192 kbps mp3 - new offset 2945 (but please ask someone to confirm this)
Also, regarding the wrongly snapped triplet, this is a good spot - the correct snapping is this (with the new mp3/offset)
all fixed, thanks spec ~
SPOILER
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PreviewTime: 87591
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
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Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
EpilepsyWarning: 1
WidescreenStoryboard: 1
[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 2.2
[Metadata]
Title:Watashi no 71%(OVA ver.)
TitleUnicode:私の71%(OVA ver.)
Artist:ikumi
ArtistUnicode:ikumi
Creator:Equim
Version:Nely's Platter
Source:くっつきぼし
Tags:Kuttsukiboshi OST yuri 石川プロ 石川直哉 Ishikawa Naoya 森田俊輔 Morita Shunsuke alienflybot Xinely kanari ending ed
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MP3 has been updated, I rechecked the snapping on this pattern and I'm not so sure it's as simple as first thought. Currently there's a 1/6 repeat slider placed at 00:14:090 (1) and whilst the head and tail seem fine to me, the repeat seems to be mapped quite early for the jungle sound. It's a little weird, but I feel mapping a circle at 00:14:090 followed by a 1/8 slider on the 1/16 tick at 00:14:157 sounds better here, as it more closely maps the delayed second sound, whilst keeping the third sound mapped in the same place.Equim wrote:
Spectator wrote:
- 00:14:086 (1) - It's wrongly snapped. Make it 1/12 triplelet which starts at 00:14:086 and should end at 00:14:204 - , like this picture okay (where is the picture o.o?
I'd prefer a second opinion on this before moving forward.
Another additional thing that I missed (derp)
- 03:46:297 (1) - Spinners end at different times in each of the diffs - consider making these consistent, I feel ending them all at 03:49:473 as in the Rain is the best option
I will leave some suggestions later this evening, before this is being pushed forward.
Edit: My bad. This evening will do, sorry
Edit: My bad. This evening will do, sorry
elite mapper zirox to the rescue
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- 00:25:473 (1,2) - I'd move this a bit to the right to reduce the distance, since this is a calm part. I'd also put (2) on the same x-position than the sliderend, it looks cleaner.
- 00:30:414 (2) - I'd also put this a little bit closer since this part is still calm. However, since this is also a bit stronger and with a higher pitch, then a not so short distance can be used. I think x:224 is a safe compromise between a distance low enough to follow the calm part, but larger than the rest to emphasize the higher vocal.
- 00:48:061 (1,2) - Same reason, I'd move this a bit to the right.
- 01:20:355 (2,1) - I think I already mentioned this and it got denied. And no, if you don't change it, it will still be okay, but I really think this is better as a long slider.
- 02:56:356 (2,1) - ^Same
- 01:45:238 (2,3) - This could have a bit more distance for more emphasis. Maybe moving (2) one grid space to the right and (3) one grid space to the left (or only (2), if you think both are too much) could be better.
- 02:16:649 (1,2,3) - I wouldn't recommend to start so close to the border after a break in a Cup. Maybe putting (1) to the right of (2) is better.
- 03:07:826 (3) - I'd move this a bit to the right, as the vocal is quite strong so this short distance is underwhelming. x:384 seems fine.
- 03:19:120 (3) - Move this to the right, the vocal is strong so it deserves a bit more emphasis.
- 03:24:767 (2) - Same, this could have a bit more distance for emphasis.
- 01:05:708 - Ugh, the clap is really missed here, because it loses consistency. I think you could add two inherited sections on this part (like this) and make the first one have a custom sampleset where you use the soft-hitclap as soft-slidertick.
- 01:14:179 - ^Same applies for this spot
- 01:17:002 - ^Same
- 01:19:826 - ^Same
- 02:50:179 - ^Same
- 02:53:003 - ^Same
- 02:55:826 - ^Same
- 01:35:002 - The same idea from the hitsounds applies here. The drum hitsound is really missed, so you could create another custom sampleset where you add your soft-hitclap9 as soft-slidertick.
- 01:46:296 - ^Same
- 01:51:944 - ^Same
- 03:08:179 - ^Same
- 03:19:473 - ^Same
- 03:25:120 - ^Same
- 00:18:061 (4,1) - I'd shorten this (and other similar) spacings as this is a really calm part.
- 01:38:002 (3,4) - This distance might be a bit hard to catch without dashing, but there's nothing in the music that tells me "you have to dash!", so I'd reduce it a bit.
- 01:55:649 (3,1) - Same, this distance is tricky.
- 01:33:944 (2,3) - This distance can be a bit hard to catch, and it's easy to miss the hyperdash because of that. Move (3) a bit to the right (maybe x:112) to make it a bit easier.
- 01:13:473 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I'd put these doublets more closer. It requires some small and intermittent dashing which doesn't really fit the pace of the song.
- 03:07:650 (5,6) - This is really underwhelming. Distance to (6) should be larger because it's a strong vocal, even a hyperdash would be justified
- 03:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This feel like trolling right near the end. I'd go for a easier pattern.
Topic Starter
Others are fixed!ZiRoX wrote:
[Cup]Hitsounding
- 00:25:473 (1,2) - I'd move this a bit to the right to reduce the distance, since this is a calm part. I'd also put (2) on the same x-position than the sliderend, it looks cleaner.
- 00:30:414 (2) - I'd also put this a little bit closer since this part is still calm. However, since this is also a bit stronger and with a higher pitch, then a not so short distance can be used. I think x:224 is a safe compromise between a distance low enough to follow the calm part, but larger than the rest to emphasize the higher vocal.
- 00:48:061 (1,2) - Same reason, I'd move this a bit to the right.
- 01:20:355 (2,1) - I think I already mentioned this and it got denied. And no, if you don't change it, it will still be okay, but I really think this is better as a long slider. Long slider doesn't work well here imo, and in terms of aesthetics I also think a long slider is not as good as a spinner.
- 02:56:356 (2,1) - ^Same This can be changed but we need consistency here.
- 01:45:238 (2,3) - This could have a bit more distance for more emphasis. Maybe moving (2) one grid space to the right and (3) one grid space to the left (or only (2), if you think both are too much) could be better.
- 02:16:649 (1,2,3) - I wouldn't recommend to start so close to the border after a break in a Cup. Maybe putting (1) to the right of (2) is better.
- 03:07:826 (3) - I'd move this a bit to the right, as the vocal is quite strong so this short distance is underwhelming. x:384 seems fine.
- 03:19:120 (3) - Move this to the right, the vocal is strong so it deserves a bit more emphasis.
- 03:24:767 (2) - Same, this could have a bit more distance for emphasis.
Fixed the hitsound. (examination has mentioned these hitsound issue before in his mod, but I ignored that x.x
- 01:05:708 - Ugh, the clap is really missed here, because it loses consistency. I think you could add two inherited sections on this part (like this) and make the first one have a custom sampleset where you use the soft-hitclap as soft-slidertick.
- 01:14:179 - ^Same applies for this spot
- 01:17:002 - ^Same
- 01:19:826 - ^Same
- 02:50:179 - ^Same
- 02:53:003 - ^Same
- 02:55:826 - ^Same
- 01:35:002 - The same idea from the hitsounds applies here. The drum hitsound is really missed, so you could create another custom sampleset where you add your soft-hitclap9 as soft-slidertick.
- 01:46:296 - ^Same
- 01:51:944 - ^Same
- 03:08:179 - ^Same
- 03:19:473 - ^Same
- 03:25:120 - ^Same
[Rain]The hitsounds in the Cup were the main thing that caught my mind, so I wanted to point that out before JBH and Spec pushed this forward. Good luck!
- 03:07:650 (5,6) - This is really underwhelming. Distance to (6) should be larger because it's a strong vocal, even a hyperdash would be justified
- 03:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This feel like trolling right near the end. I'd go for a easier pattern. I think keeping it is fine.
Thank you! It's really helpful.
all fixed
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Thanks for mod.ZiRoX wrote:
[Salad]The hitsounds in the Cup were the main thing that caught my mind, so I wanted to point that out before JBH and Spec pushed this forward. Good luck!
- 00:18:061 (4,1) - I'd shorten this (and other similar) spacings as this is a really calm part. - Fixed.
- 01:38:002 (3,4) - This distance might be a bit hard to catch without dashing, but there's nothing in the music that tells me "you have to dash!", so I'd reduce it a bit. - Sure.
- 01:55:649 (3,1) - Same, this distance is tricky. - Alright.
http://puu.sh/lxU0b/93db59514b.txt
Topic Starter
All updated.
@JBH @Spec
Other changes in Unfettered are:
03:36:061 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Changed the pattern.
03:24:061 (3) - Put it a bit more right.
@JBH @Spec
Other changes in Unfettered are:
03:36:061 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Changed the pattern.
03:24:061 (3) - Put it a bit more right.
02:12:767 (1,2) - this jump is pretty tough for platter
Also
I rechecked the frequency after redownloading the map several times and it's still 320kbps
does this happen to only me?
Also
I rechecked the frequency after redownloading the map several times and it's still 320kbps
does this happen to only me?
Topic Starter
fixed with Xinely's authorization.
I guess soSpectator wrote:
I rechecked the frequency after redownloading the map several times and it's still 320kbps
does this happen to only me?
alright then
Fixing bubble
Fixing bubble
Beautiful song, great mapset, and a really nice storyboard too. Good work guys 
Qualified~
Qualified~
*-*/ Finally, RIP Taiko diffs u.u Gratz, osu need more ctb sets :3
Congrats!
Hey, dream come true equim, congrats
nice
we tried... but this song is better on CTB anyways (●´ω｀●) gratz!
finallyy congratz equim!
Congratz on Qualified 
There!
I have to disqualify this because of the Storyboard issues.
[Storyboard]
White.png is way too bright and can blind players for a sec which can cause miss easily.
01:02:179 -
01:27:591 -
01:38:885 -
etc
This could be solved easily if you make this image less bright.
Moreover some of your images used as background are too bright compared with the rest, this can also cause some issue at the first few second after it appears. Since its takes a while for the eyes to adjust themselves.
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Some extra
[Unfettered]
01:43:826 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its really easy to get a miss at this point because of the Hypers. I suggest you to move the notes closer in both of these to make the chance smaller.
01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - Its really hard to get the correct timing at this point as there is a huge distance between (2,3) on the timeline but its small on the playfield while (4,5) is the exact opposite of it. I don't think (4,5) needs to be a Hyper anyway.
02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - What a messed up pattern. (2,3) don't need to be a jump while at the same time (5,6) and (7,8) don't need to be Hyper as there is nothing to be highlighted at that point.
03:17:003 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - The exact same problem as before.
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This could be moved back to qualified fast after the issues solved. Good luck. o/
[Storyboard]
White.png is way too bright and can blind players for a sec which can cause miss easily.
01:02:179 -
01:27:591 -
01:38:885 -
etc
This could be solved easily if you make this image less bright.
Moreover some of your images used as background are too bright compared with the rest, this can also cause some issue at the first few second after it appears. Since its takes a while for the eyes to adjust themselves.
- a (7).png
- b (4).png
- b.png
- a (1).png
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Some extra
[Unfettered]
01:43:826 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its really easy to get a miss at this point because of the Hypers. I suggest you to move the notes closer in both of these to make the chance smaller.
01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - Its really hard to get the correct timing at this point as there is a huge distance between (2,3) on the timeline but its small on the playfield while (4,5) is the exact opposite of it. I don't think (4,5) needs to be a Hyper anyway.
02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - What a messed up pattern. (2,3) don't need to be a jump while at the same time (5,6) and (7,8) don't need to be Hyper as there is nothing to be highlighted at that point.
03:17:003 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - The exact same problem as before.
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This could be moved back to qualified fast after the issues solved. Good luck. o/
Just giving my two cents.
I'm open to getting some more discussion going, but I have to say I don't agree with any of this. I feel the storyboard "issues" are exaggerated and the map "issues" are contrived. It's up to Equim on how to address this however - poke me as soon as you're changed whatever you want to change.Kurokami wrote:
I have to disqualify this because of the Storyboard issues.
[Storyboard]
White.png is way too bright and can blind players for a sec which can cause miss easily.
01:02:179 -
01:27:591 -
01:38:885 -
etc
This could be solved easily if you make this image less bright. I have honestly never seen a problem with this during play, the image isn't excessively bright in my opinion and the strain on the eyes is lessened significantly because of the gradual fade-in and out. If you're particularly sensitive to this kind of thing, turn the SB off - there's an epilepsy warning for a reason.
Moreover some of your images used as background are too bright compared with the rest, this can also cause some issue at the first few second after it appears. Since its takes a while for the eyes to adjust themselves.It would be nice if you could replace these with some less bright image or make them a little bit darker. Yet a (3).png and b (1).png are fine? They both contain similarly bright regions comparable to those you listed. Again, all of these are faded in really slowly, giving the player plenty of time to adjust to a minimal change. Compared to white.png, which I already feel is used appropriately in a way that should not cause an issue, this is trivial.
- a (7).png
- b (4).png
- b.png
- a (1).png
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Some extra
[Unfettered]
01:43:826 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its really easy to get a miss at this point because of the Hypers. I suggest you to move the notes closer in both of these to make the chance smaller. I feel this flows really nicely already tbh; 4-4.25* is at the limit of what I feel I can play comfortably in a CtB specific diff, and I've never had an issue with this pattern in it's current form. We tweaked this pattern significantly during the modding process to perfect the flow and playability, and the result is a nice-flowing and interesting pattern that provides some individuality to the difficulty.
01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - Its really hard to get the correct timing at this point as there is a huge distance between (2,3) on the timeline but its small on the playfield while (4,5) is the exact opposite of it. I don't think (4,5) needs to be a Hyper anyway. (2,3) needs to be a smaller spacing than expected to reduce the difficulty of catching (3) after the strong hdash from 01:49:296 (1) - after making this jump, 01:49:825 (2,3,4) is a simple walkable pattern. Also, (4,5) needs to be a hyper to maintain consistency with similar patterns such as 01:33:149 (6,1) - 03:06:326 (6,1) - 03:23:179 (4,1) -
02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - What a messed up pattern. (2,3) don't need to be a jump while at the same time (5,6) and (7,8) don't need to be Hyper as there is nothing to be highlighted at that point. Have you tried listening to the music here? There's a clear buildup in intensity of the drumroll and vocal sounds which is befitting of increased patterning
03:17:003 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - The exact same problem as before. Exact response as before, there is no problem here imo
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This could be moved back to qualified fast after the issues solved. Good luck. o/
Ayy, time to go deeper then.
No one said those are issues to begin with. I just pointed them out because I feel like they could be better. Nothing more nothing less.JBHyperion wrote:
Just giving my two cents.
I have honestly never seen a problem with this during play, the image isn't excessively bright in my opinion and the strain on the eyes is lessened significantly because of the gradual fade-in and out. If you're particularly sensitive to this kind of thing, turn the SB off - there's an epilepsy warning for a reason. Well, not excessively bright? http://bit.ly/1lB52Si Its a full white image with 1x fading. That is a full white image right in the face. The SB in itself is fine, but not along with the hitobjects as they are hard to see while this image is the brightest. Yes, if you play this 5th time, you know what comes next but what matters is the first impression (mainly). You can't suggest someone to "just turn it off". Thats not the reason why that feature added. What if he want to enjoy both at the same time?
Yet a (3).png and b (1).png are fine? They both contain similarly bright regions comparable to those you listed. Again, all of these are faded in really slowly, giving the player plenty of time to adjust to a minimal change. Compared to white.png, which I already feel is used appropriately in a way that should not cause an issue, this is trivial. b (1) has its bright part on the right side while the object are mainly placed in the center and left, that won't cause problems. a (3).png is also fine because its bright part can't be compared with the mentioned ones, this image has a somewhat darker brightness which is actually nice to see. The problem with this images is not the fade in or how they do that, its because during the time they are up, some hitobject is blending inside the bright part.
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Some extra
[Unfettered]
01:43:826 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its really easy to get a miss at this point because of the Hypers. I suggest you to move the notes closer in both of these to make the chance smaller. I feel this flows really nicely already tbh; 4-4.25* is at the limit of what I feel I can play comfortably in a CtB specific diff, and I've never had an issue with this pattern in it's current form. We tweaked this pattern significantly during the modding process to perfect the flow and playability, and the result is a nice-flowing and interesting pattern that provides some individuality to the difficulty. Nah, I just moved (1) one grid to right and (3) (in the first combo) and the pattern already plays a lot better. The second (1,2,3) can even remain the same with this change.
01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - Its really hard to get the correct timing at this point as there is a huge distance between (2,3) on the timeline but its small on the playfield while (4,5) is the exact opposite of it. I don't think (4,5) needs to be a Hyper anyway. (2,3) needs to be a smaller spacing than expected to reduce the difficulty of catching (3) after the strong hdash from 01:49:296 (1) - after making this jump, 01:49:825 (2,3,4) is a simple walkable pattern. Also, (4,5) needs to be a hyper to maintain consistency with similar patterns such as 01:33:149 (6,1) - 03:06:326 (6,1) - 03:23:179 (4,1) - Yea, those don't need to be a Hyper as well. They are fine as a simple jump but none of them is strong enough for a Hyper.
02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - What a messed up pattern. (2,3) don't need to be a jump while at the same time (5,6) and (7,8) don't need to be Hyper as there is nothing to be highlighted at that point. Have you tried listening to the music here? There's a clear buildup in intensity of the drumroll and vocal sounds which is befitting of increased patterning Buildup? Sure. Then why there are no objects on 1/4 beats, at least at the second part of this combo? There are still clear drumsounds. But answering to you, the buildup contains no strong sounds except 02:03:591 vocal part, it has the same sound all over, which can be followed with higher movement but definitely not with Hypers.
03:17:003 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - The exact same problem as before. Exact response as before, there is no problem here imo
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and the map "issues" are contrived.
Ok some samples here
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/296724
01:20:496 - 01:20:907
01:46:797 - 01:47:208
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/261911
01:37:545 - 01:41:842
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/186911
02:21:746 - 02:22:255
I guess the transitions in this map are much milder
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/296724
01:20:496 - 01:20:907
01:46:797 - 01:47:208
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/261911
01:37:545 - 01:41:842
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/186911
02:21:746 - 02:22:255
I guess the transitions in this map are much milder
Topic Starter
Besides 01:43:826 (1,2,3) - and 03:17:003 (1,2,3) - , 02:02:797 - and 03:35:973 - (huge changes). The only change is in 01:53:885 (6,7,8,1,2,3) - (slightly optimized the droplet).Kurokami wrote:
Ayy, time to go deeper then.No one said those are issues to begin with. I just pointed them out because I feel like they could be better. Nothing more nothing less.JBHyperion wrote:
Just giving my two cents.
I have honestly never seen a problem with this during play, the image isn't excessively bright in my opinion and the strain on the eyes is lessened significantly because of the gradual fade-in and out. If you're particularly sensitive to this kind of thing, turn the SB off - there's an epilepsy warning for a reason. Well, not excessively bright? http://bit.ly/1lB52Si Its a full white image with 1x fading. That is a full white image right in the face. The SB in itself is fine, but not along with the hitobjects as they are hard to see while this image is the brightest. Yes, if you play this 5th time, you know what comes next but what matters is the first impression (mainly). You can't suggest someone to "just turn it off". Thats not the reason why that feature added. What if he want to enjoy both at the same time? Just one point, are you sure that you are using the default skin? Test it with default skin you will find the fruits are clear enough for players to catch (see this image). Here is another example from MitiS & MaHi - Blu (Speed Up Ver.) [Serena's Overdose], look at 01:38:262 - , which is much brighter than my case.
Yet a (3).png and b (1).png are fine? They both contain similarly bright regions comparable to those you listed. Again, all of these are faded in really slowly, giving the player plenty of time to adjust to a minimal change. Compared to white.png, which I already feel is used appropriately in a way that should not cause an issue, this is trivial. b (1) has its bright part on the right side while the object are mainly placed in the center and left, that won't cause problems. a (3).png is also fine because its bright part can't be compared with the mentioned ones, this image has a somewhat darker brightness which is actually nice to see. The problem with this images is not the fade in or how they do that, its because during the time they are up, some hitobject is blending inside the bright part.
Would you point out such issue if I picked any single of them as the background image? I have never heard of such BG-too-bright-then-dq.
Some extra
[Unfettered]
01:43:826 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its really easy to get a miss at this point because of the Hypers. I suggest you to move the notes closer in both of these to make the chance smaller. I feel this flows really nicely already tbh; 4-4.25* is at the limit of what I feel I can play comfortably in a CtB specific diff, and I've never had an issue with this pattern in it's current form. We tweaked this pattern significantly during the modding process to perfect the flow and playability, and the result is a nice-flowing and interesting pattern that provides some individuality to the difficulty. Nah, I just moved (1) one grid to right and (3) (in the first combo) and the pattern already plays a lot better. The second (1,2,3) can even remain the same with this change.01:44:002 (3,1) - will lose HDash if I do so. This pattern is totally fine. I mapped based on the song and difficulty, since they are more objective. Whether it is hard to play or not is varied from players to players.I misunderstood, fixed.
01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - Its really hard to get the correct timing at this point as there is a huge distance between (2,3) on the timeline but its small on the playfield while (4,5) is the exact opposite of it. I don't think (4,5) needs to be a Hyper anyway. (2,3) needs to be a smaller spacing than expected to reduce the difficulty of catching (3) after the strong hdash from 01:49:296 (1) - after making this jump, 01:49:825 (2,3,4) is a simple walkable pattern. Also, (4,5) needs to be a hyper to maintain consistency with similar patterns such as 01:33:149 (6,1) - 03:06:326 (6,1) - 03:23:179 (4,1) - Yea, those don't need to be a Hyper as well. They are fine as a simple jump but none of them is strong enough for a Hyper. It's too boring if there's no HDash at those points. Those patterns are at the ends of individual parts of the song and serve as transitions between different parts.
02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - What a messed up pattern. (2,3) don't need to be a jump while at the same time (5,6) and (7,8) don't need to be Hyper as there is nothing to be highlighted at that point. Have you tried listening to the music here? There's a clear buildup in intensity of the drumroll and vocal sounds which is befitting of increased patterning Buildup? Sure. Then why there are no objects on 1/4 beats, at least at the second part of this combo? There are still clear drumsounds. But answering to you, the buildup contains no strong sounds except 02:03:591 vocal part, it has the same sound all over, which can be followed with higher movement but definitely not with Hypers.Listen to 02:03:238 - carefully, there's a stronger drumhit. Honestly there are some 1/4 beats but it's not suitable to map them in Rain. As the drumhits and vocal become stronger, the distances get wider as well. What's wrong with it?I'll try to change.
03:17:003 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - The exact same problem as before. Exact response as before, there is no problem here imo
and the map "issues" are contrived.
More discussions are welcome.
I had a quick quick look at this, had a small conversation with JBH and this is my opinion I guess, wording might be a big strong because I've just had an annoying exam.
If anything doesn't make sense then just PM me ingame I guess.
Bully Log
15:07 Riari: 01:43:826 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - His point makes sense
15:08 Riari: the distance increase from 01:43:120 (5,6) - is sudden, i'd change it to make it thinner. I'd even remove the hypers because the emphasis on 01:44:531 (1) - is reduced in comparison to the screenjumps
15:10 Riari: 01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - is fine, the only problem with it is the reverse flow comming from 01:49:296 (1) - into 01:49:825 (2) - that even causes a problem for this
15:12 JBHyperion: 01:43:120 (5,6) - can't be much smaller whilst still maintaining a hyper - the vocal sounds are much stronger here than on the previous slider heads
15:12 Riari: 02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is a mess in my opinion, 02:03:414 (4,5) - is the only hyper that should be present, a smaller pattern of 02:02:885 (1,2,3,4) - that has distance increased for 02:03:591 (5,6,7,8) - would work perfectly but it just plays like a mess.
15:13 JBHyperion: I actually find 01:49:120 (3,1,2) - less awkward with the antiflow, I find it easier to overshoot (2) with a more "natural" flow fsr
15:14 JBHyperion: and afaik that last section is being remade
15:14 JBHyperion: speaking to Kuro about it now
15:15 Riari: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4071273 quick example of what I meant
15:15 Riari: the distances aren't obviously that, its just a quick example
15:16 Riari: aka a non-dash wiggle that hypers into a dash wiggle of sorts
15:17 Riari: also on the very last point he made, I'd swap 03:17:003 (1,2,3) - around to fit like 03:16:297 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ,emphasise the pitch change in the vocals for 03:17:356 (1,2,3) - to be reversed only
15:17 Riari: its too much effort to post but there you go I guess
15:18 JBHyperion: just /savelog this and post lol
15:18 JBHyperion: takes like 30 seconds xD
15:18 Riari: my wording seems a bit strong but ok
15:08 Riari: the distance increase from 01:43:120 (5,6) - is sudden, i'd change it to make it thinner. I'd even remove the hypers because the emphasis on 01:44:531 (1) - is reduced in comparison to the screenjumps
15:10 Riari: 01:49:825 (2,3,4,5) - is fine, the only problem with it is the reverse flow comming from 01:49:296 (1) - into 01:49:825 (2) - that even causes a problem for this
15:12 JBHyperion: 01:43:120 (5,6) - can't be much smaller whilst still maintaining a hyper - the vocal sounds are much stronger here than on the previous slider heads
15:12 Riari: 02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is a mess in my opinion, 02:03:414 (4,5) - is the only hyper that should be present, a smaller pattern of 02:02:885 (1,2,3,4) - that has distance increased for 02:03:591 (5,6,7,8) - would work perfectly but it just plays like a mess.
15:13 JBHyperion: I actually find 01:49:120 (3,1,2) - less awkward with the antiflow, I find it easier to overshoot (2) with a more "natural" flow fsr
15:14 JBHyperion: and afaik that last section is being remade
15:14 JBHyperion: speaking to Kuro about it now
15:15 Riari: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4071273 quick example of what I meant
15:15 Riari: the distances aren't obviously that, its just a quick example
15:16 Riari: aka a non-dash wiggle that hypers into a dash wiggle of sorts
15:17 Riari: also on the very last point he made, I'd swap 03:17:003 (1,2,3) - around to fit like 03:16:297 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ,emphasise the pitch change in the vocals for 03:17:356 (1,2,3) - to be reversed only
15:17 Riari: its too much effort to post but there you go I guess
15:18 JBHyperion: just /savelog this and post lol
15:18 JBHyperion: takes like 30 seconds xD
15:18 Riari: my wording seems a bit strong but ok
If anything doesn't make sense then just PM me ingame I guess.
Topic Starter
fixed as much as I can.
Thank you Kuro, JBH and Riari.
Thank you Kuro, JBH and Riari.
Just to make the changes clear enough.
We discussed and made the following changes in the Storyboard:
We discussed and made the following changes in the Storyboard:
- Moved white.png and k.png back to the .osb with changing the first one to Background
- Changed the fade of white.png from 1x to 0.9x to make less prominent and sudden for a few ms
- 01:43:826 (1,2,3) - Changed by moving (1) and (3) closer to (2) which not destroys the pattern, just makes it a bit easier. Same at 03:17:003 (1,2,3) -
- 02:02:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Changed to make the buildup more obvious (was not my idea :<)
Let's try again
Bubbled~
Also pls upload to Pending lol
Bubbled~
Also pls upload to Pending lol
WTF Go Go~~
let this go
Finally! I love the song I'm working on which is done by someone else is qualified!
Despite the storyboard is thematic yet not featuring Aaya or Kiiko in the OVA, I hope this to be ranked before Christmas or New Year's Eve!
Good Luck, Equim!
Despite the storyboard is thematic yet not featuring Aaya or Kiiko in the OVA, I hope this to be ranked before Christmas or New Year's Eve!
Good Luck, Equim!
We'll need to polish that Storyboard a bit more before letting this get ranked:
[SB]
The main issue I see are some of the image transitions that happens a few ms earlier than they should be:
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I hope I didn't miss any of them. If you need any help, don't hesitate contacting me!
[SB]
The main issue I see are some of the image transitions that happens a few ms earlier than they should be:
- 00:02:885 - "a (8)" appears way too early. You have to make it appear at 2885 and not a few ms ahead, or you'll see something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4109403
- 01:27:591 - This one is one of the most obvious. The previous image starts dissapearing at about 01:27:326 - , when it should happen at 01:27:591 - . 200 ms is a great difference, noticeable enough to make your SB not that nice. The transition should happen at 01:27:591 - along with the beginning of the kiai (also totally unrelated touhou picture lol).
- 01:44:532 - Same with this picture. Try to make the transition at the exact point where the new stanza starts. It looks much more better when the pulse you placed matches with the image transition.
- 03:17:708 - On the other hand, this transition happens way too many ms late ._.
- 03:37:473 - This one also happens quite late than it should be.
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I hope I didn't miss any of them. If you need any help, don't hesitate contacting me!
"How to rank a map." By Equim.
Oh, sorry, wrong tutorial. Ok, bye.
Oh, sorry, wrong tutorial. Ok, bye.
sighs deeply
Equim/Kanari can address whatever needs to be adjusted - call me back (again) when you're ready.
Equim/Kanari can address whatever needs to be adjusted - call me back (again) when you're ready.
Sry guys. That was my mistake. q.q Feel free to punish me. /o/
Please it's no more your fault than it is ours, we missed it too xDKurokami wrote:
Sry guys. That was my mistake. q.q Feel free to punish me. /o/
Equim, I know you're probably getting fed up with this, but please keep at it, we're almost there!
fixed all. http://puu.sh/lUeom.osb
Topic Starter
我累了，真的累了……
updated the sb, no change to the rest. (15-12-25)
updated the sb, no change to the rest. (15-12-25)
I hope it's not dead, anyway, you should fix the metadata to fit official source.
First of all it's not using regular brackets, and second, it is using Japanese numbers as they're spaced.
Title: 私の７１％〈OVA ver.〉
Romanized Title: Watashi no 71% <OVA ver.>
Don't refer to unofficial shops unless necessary.
First of all it's not using regular brackets, and second, it is using Japanese numbers as they're spaced.
Title: 私の７１％〈OVA ver.〉
Romanized Title: Watashi no 71% <OVA ver.>
Don't refer to unofficial shops unless necessary.
Topic Starter
I have also noticed this before, tho..... Only the cover used that title. In the disk it is still labelled as 私の71% (OVA ver.)Wafu wrote:
I hope it's not dead, anyway, you should fix the metadata to fit official source.
First of all it's not using regular brackets, and second, it is using Japanese numbers as they're spaced.
Title: 私の７１％〈OVA ver.〉
Romanized Title: Watashi no 71% <OVA ver.>
Don't refer to unofficial shops unless necessary.
I chose to remain.
Proof vs. no proof. You need to include proof that your title is official. If you cannot prove you own exactly the original data, then you need to change it according to what I provided. Case is usually 100% reliable, so there's low change you actually have chance for pick.
Topic Starter
metadata updated.
The only change in pattern is 03:36:061 (1,2,3,4) - at in Unfettered. (tell me if you have better suggetion)
The only change in pattern is 03:36:061 (1,2,3,4) - at in Unfettered. (tell me if you have better suggetion)
Recheck /o/
no kudosu
SB:
no kudosu
SB:
- 03:17:708 - This transition still feels late to me, the previous image is still dominant in the transition until around 03:17:885 - the second image isn't even visible at 03:17:797 - almost 100ms after the transition should occur
- 03:37:473 - Not sure about this one, centre point of the transition between images is at 03:37:738 but the decrease in intensity of the music does fit nicely with a more gradual fade-in of the next image. I still think it's a little late though :/
hello you requested SB mod from my queue!
The problem is a transition problem.
Ok i'm going to provide an auto-fix in case you didn't understand my noob english.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yq5ulr37p174x ... -.rar?dl=0
Make sure that you have a backup of you old .osb
Put the Ty.png to SB folder and put the ring.png to sb2 folder
blue = didn't add to the fix (its your decision if you want to change, remove or add)
The problem is a transition problem.
Ok i'm going to provide an auto-fix in case you didn't understand my noob english.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yq5ulr37p174x ... -.rar?dl=0
Make sure that you have a backup of you old .osb
Put the Ty.png to SB folder and put the ring.png to sb2 folder
blue = didn't add to the fix (its your decision if you want to change, remove or add)
Noob SB mod
change the image ring.png to a new image ring.
crop the SB\Ty.png
Every scenes' end movements stop early, it should be stop as the fade time stops. better take an example in 00:17:002 - notice the movement and the fade doesn't match the time, if they do not match, it will look a little dull or obvious. they should be stop at the same time for better effect. 00:17:355 - put a movement anchor point with the same x and y (dont change anything) then 00:17:002 - remove this previous movement anchor point. Do this in every scene.
To me, the expanding circles in the intro is scalling up really fast on a slow song. i suggest to reduce the scalling.
is it just me or the light particles doesn't have any additive (alpha mode)
K.png (Foreground - line 55) - 00:14:179 - Add easing out on movement for betting effect
SB\Equim.png (Foreground - line 51) - 00:14:179 - ^same
SB\AFB.png (Foreground -line 50) - 00:14:179 - ^^same, apply it to the GD diff
and so on. . i blue color it because i only focus on the .osb. and they are separate
crop the SB\Ty.png
Every scenes' end movements stop early, it should be stop as the fade time stops. better take an example in 00:17:002 - notice the movement and the fade doesn't match the time, if they do not match, it will look a little dull or obvious. they should be stop at the same time for better effect. 00:17:355 - put a movement anchor point with the same x and y (dont change anything) then 00:17:002 - remove this previous movement anchor point. Do this in every scene.
To me, the expanding circles in the intro is scalling up really fast on a slow song. i suggest to reduce the scalling.
is it just me or the light particles doesn't have any additive (alpha mode)
K.png (Foreground - line 55) - 00:14:179 - Add easing out on movement for betting effect
SB\Equim.png (Foreground - line 51) - 00:14:179 - ^same
SB\AFB.png (Foreground -line 50) - 00:14:179 - ^^same, apply it to the GD diff
and so on. . i blue color it because i only focus on the .osb. and they are separate
arviejhay wrote:
To me, the expanding circles in the intro is scalling up really fast on a slow song. i suggest to reduce the scalling. i think it's alright o3o
is it just me or the light particles doesn't have any additive (alpha mode) they don't
K.png (Foreground - line 55) - 00:14:179 - Add easing out on movement for betting effect will leave the diff specific stuff for Equim to do
SB\Equim.png (Foreground - line 51) - 00:14:179 - ^same
SB\AFB.png (Foreground -line 50) - 00:14:179 - ^^same, apply it to the GD diff
and so on. . i blue color it because i only focus on the .osb. and they are separate
i used what arviejhay provided and fixed what JBHyperion said (i think..)JBHyperion wrote:
Recheck /o/
no kudosu
SB:Patterns seem fine, but a check over by an experienced SB modder would be helpful before we try again.
- 03:17:708 - This transition still feels late to me, the previous image is still dominant in the transition until around 03:17:885 - the second image isn't even visible at 03:17:797 - almost 100ms after the transition should occur made b(3) fade out at 03:17:708 and a(3) fades in at that time as well
- 03:37:473 - Not sure about this one, centre point of the transition between images is at 03:37:738 but the decrease in intensity of the music does fit nicely with a more gradual fade-in of the next image. I still think it's a little late though :/ made b(4) fade out at 03:37:826 -
http://puu.sh/mGMgo.zip
Equim take care of the diff specific stuff uguu
let's do this
Discussed some SB concerns with Sey and Deif, we still need to fix up a few more things unfortunately :/
Sey has some concerns of his own he wishes to voice, so I advise you to wait until he posts before responding to this to allow discussion and prevent unnecessary or potentially wrong changes.
- 01:02:179 - Transition here is quite late, 2nd image doesn't appear until 01:02:355 whereas the transition point is at 01:02:179 -. Make the fade out/in for both between 01:02:091 - 01:02:267
- 01:38:885 - Same as above, this transition is really late, make the transition between 01:38:796 - 01:38:973
- 02:04:297 - Any reason why you decided not to use another image here? You did so for each of the other verses e.g. 01:27:591 - 01:44:532 - etc.
- 03:29:003 - Also late, first image is still visible at 03:29:179 when the transition is at 03:29:003 -. Make the transition occur between 03:28:914 - 03:29:091 instead.
- 03:37:473 - Been thinking about this one some more, and decided that it's definitely more natural to make the transition point on the downbeat, same as you did for all the others, meaning you'll want to start/end the image fading in/out between 03:37:297 - 03:37:650 - since you have no white bg flash to accompany this transition, and you're moving into a slow section of the song, it can afford to be a little longer
Sey has some concerns of his own he wishes to voice, so I advise you to wait until he posts before responding to this to allow discussion and prevent unnecessary or potentially wrong changes.
I don't think a good modder should find those ambiguous points XD, and all things you mentioned are not that necessaryJBHyperion wrote:
Discussed some SB concerns with Sey and Deif, we still need to fix up a few more things unfortunately :/Not really sure what most of the images have to do with the song/anime either, but whatever, stylistic preference I guess.
- 01:02:179 - Transition here is quite late, 2nd image doesn't appear until 01:02:355 whereas the transition point is at 01:02:179 -. Make the fade out/in for both between 01:02:091 - 01:02:267 This is ok and many transitions are done like this, since it's a slow song, slow transitions should work well
- 01:38:885 - Same as above, this transition is really late, make the transition between 01:38:796 - 01:38:973 ^ same
- 02:04:297 - Any reason why you decided not to use another image here? You did so for each of the other verses e.g. 01:27:591 - 01:44:532 - etc. uhh I don't think it's a valid reason... Use or not is out of personal taste XD
- 03:29:003 - Also late, first image is still visible at 03:29:179 when the transition is at 03:29:003 -. Make the transition occur between 03:28:914 - 03:29:091 instead. Same as above
- 03:37:473 - Been thinking about this one some more, and decided that it's definitely more natural to make the transition point on the downbeat, same as you did for all the others, meaning you'll want to start/end the image fading in/out between 03:37:297 - 03:37:650 - since you have no white bg flash to accompany this transition, and you're moving into a slow section of the song, it can afford to be a little longer
I don't think it is a really valid point too
Sey has some concerns of his own he wishes to voice, so I advise you to wait until he posts before responding to this to allow discussion and prevent unnecessary or potentially wrong changes.
If you wanna check the transitions well, I suggest you delete White.png and check the whole set again lol
One of the points that I've found
these points are not ready for qualification
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These red points are codes that can lead to unnecessary sb load, please replace these numbers with 0
I guess the other parts of this storyboard is fine. Let's continue the discussion.
Topic Starter
Since you think the SB has problems,JBHyperion wrote:
Discussed some SB concerns with Sey and Deif, we still need to fix up a few more things unfortunately :/Not really sure what most of the images have to do with the song/anime either, but whatever, stylistic preference I guess.
- 01:02:179 - Transition here is quite late, 2nd image doesn't appear until 01:02:355 whereas the transition point is at 01:02:179 -. Make the fade out/in for both between 01:02:091 - 01:02:267
- 01:38:885 - Same as above, this transition is really late, make the transition between 01:38:796 - 01:38:973
- 02:04:297 - Any reason why you decided not to use another image here? You did so for each of the other verses e.g. 01:27:591 - 01:44:532 - etc.
- 03:29:003 - Also late, first image is still visible at 03:29:179 when the transition is at 03:29:003 -. Make the transition occur between 03:28:914 - 03:29:091 instead.
- 03:37:473 - Been thinking about this one some more, and decided that it's definitely more natural to make the transition point on the downbeat, same as you did for all the others, meaning you'll want to start/end the image fading in/out between 03:37:297 - 03:37:650 - since you have no white bg flash to accompany this transition, and you're moving into a slow section of the song, it can afford to be a little longer
Sey has some concerns of his own he wishes to voice, so I advise you to wait until he posts before responding to this to allow discussion and prevent unnecessary or potentially wrong changes.
why not say them all at a time?
If ever this SB is thrown into doubt again and leads to disqualitification, I will delete it regretfully, though I really don't expect it.
oh, thank you exam! ;_;
exam：红色的都改成0了。不过话说我这边看到的都是0.9，没有1……
updated by exam's check.
After some internal discussion Equim gave me permission to post the log on this for reference. Thanks a lot for your cooperation btw.
tl;dr Not many changes on the storyboard had been made after JBH's mod. Equim pointed out that a storyboard does not need to be snapped precisely on the rhythm. Since this is a very slow-paced song the transitions take longer and therefore continue in the subsequent rhythm. Is that something unrankable? Seemingly not. There is nothing like that written in the Ranking Criteria under the terms of storyboarding.
First time it got disqualified was because white.png needed to be adjusted, right? This has been fixed already, hasn't it? Deif disqualified again mainly due to badly snapped transitions. The storyboarder already fixed them quite a lot right? Are the current transitions still that fundamentally broken to hold this back from a rebubble? Can this please be discussed?
Chat log
12:57 Equim: oh
12:57 Equim: hmm....
13:21 Equim: JBH posted ;_;
13:52 Sey: Yeah I saw
13:53 Equim: and exam posted
13:54 Sey: So has the storyboard been updated?
13:55 Equim: yes
13:55 Equim: but just fixed some bugs
13:55 Equim: generally no change
13:55 Sey: You wrote: "Since you think the SB has problems, why not say them all?"
13:55 Sey: But JBH pointed them out, there were transition issues, right?
13:56 Equim: say them all at a time
13:57 Sey: He did point them out with the timestamps in his mod?
13:57 Equim: SB doesn't need precise timing....
13:57 Sey: Was it not the reason it got disqualified, that some of the transition points were not fully perfect?
13:58 Equim: I mean... this map got disqualified for twice, because of SB
13:58 Sey: Yes, now imagine it gets disqualified a 3rd time because of SB issues
13:58 Sey: We both don't want that, right?
13:59 Equim: I'll either delete the SB, or contest
13:59 Sey: Do you have any valid concerns why JBH's suggestions on the storyboard are bad?
14:01 Equim: In terms of transitions, it is a slow song and it worked fine
14:03 Sey: Why do they work fine and what has it to do with a slow song? JBH has mentioned that the timing of some transitions was false. Is this correct? Can you give me any valid reasons why postponed transitions are valid on this mapset?
14:06 Sey: I ask you this sort of question because I want you to be able to defend your mapset as it is, but you did not bring any valid concern yet. If you have a good reason and can defend the storyboard as it is, I am sure that I can help you. What I want the most less is that you delete the storyboard, because it's a good storyboard. There is nothing fundamentally bad on it. I like it. So I am trying to help you, do you understand?
14:08 Equim: It's hard
14:08 Sey: What is hard?
14:11 Equim: they just follow the trend
14:11 Sey: Can you maybe try to explain a bit better? I am not sure what you are trying to say
14:12 Equim: Most SBs work that way
14:12 Equim: when I asked some other mappers
14:12 Equim: even Fycho said, "I have never heard that an SB needs snap precisely."
(...)
14:14 *Equim is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/472580 Pile - Love Live! Songs Compilation [Scarlet Princess]]
14:15 *Equim is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/714001 Reol - No title [jieusieu's Lemur]]
14:15 Equim: Do you think they are precisely snapped?
14:15 Equim: no
(...)
14:20 Equim: A "transition" takes time to bring out an image
14:21 Equim: in storyboard, the time the images show out are not as precisely controlable as that in mapping
14:22 Equim: a "transition" matches the timing or not is usually varied from person to person, unlike mapping, in addition
14:23 Equim: You simply cannot apply the logic in mapping to storyboarding mechanically
12:57 Equim: hmm....
13:21 Equim: JBH posted ;_;
13:52 Sey: Yeah I saw
13:53 Equim: and exam posted
13:54 Sey: So has the storyboard been updated?
13:55 Equim: yes
13:55 Equim: but just fixed some bugs
13:55 Equim: generally no change
13:55 Sey: You wrote: "Since you think the SB has problems, why not say them all?"
13:55 Sey: But JBH pointed them out, there were transition issues, right?
13:56 Equim: say them all at a time
13:57 Sey: He did point them out with the timestamps in his mod?
13:57 Equim: SB doesn't need precise timing....
13:57 Sey: Was it not the reason it got disqualified, that some of the transition points were not fully perfect?
13:58 Equim: I mean... this map got disqualified for twice, because of SB
13:58 Sey: Yes, now imagine it gets disqualified a 3rd time because of SB issues
13:58 Sey: We both don't want that, right?
13:59 Equim: I'll either delete the SB, or contest
13:59 Sey: Do you have any valid concerns why JBH's suggestions on the storyboard are bad?
14:01 Equim: In terms of transitions, it is a slow song and it worked fine
14:03 Sey: Why do they work fine and what has it to do with a slow song? JBH has mentioned that the timing of some transitions was false. Is this correct? Can you give me any valid reasons why postponed transitions are valid on this mapset?
14:06 Sey: I ask you this sort of question because I want you to be able to defend your mapset as it is, but you did not bring any valid concern yet. If you have a good reason and can defend the storyboard as it is, I am sure that I can help you. What I want the most less is that you delete the storyboard, because it's a good storyboard. There is nothing fundamentally bad on it. I like it. So I am trying to help you, do you understand?
14:08 Equim: It's hard
14:08 Sey: What is hard?
14:11 Equim: they just follow the trend
14:11 Sey: Can you maybe try to explain a bit better? I am not sure what you are trying to say
14:12 Equim: Most SBs work that way
14:12 Equim: when I asked some other mappers
14:12 Equim: even Fycho said, "I have never heard that an SB needs snap precisely."
(...)
14:14 *Equim is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/472580 Pile - Love Live! Songs Compilation [Scarlet Princess]]
14:15 *Equim is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/714001 Reol - No title [jieusieu's Lemur]]
14:15 Equim: Do you think they are precisely snapped?
14:15 Equim: no
(...)
14:20 Equim: A "transition" takes time to bring out an image
14:21 Equim: in storyboard, the time the images show out are not as precisely controlable as that in mapping
14:22 Equim: a "transition" matches the timing or not is usually varied from person to person, unlike mapping, in addition
14:23 Equim: You simply cannot apply the logic in mapping to storyboarding mechanically
tl;dr Not many changes on the storyboard had been made after JBH's mod. Equim pointed out that a storyboard does not need to be snapped precisely on the rhythm. Since this is a very slow-paced song the transitions take longer and therefore continue in the subsequent rhythm. Is that something unrankable? Seemingly not. There is nothing like that written in the Ranking Criteria under the terms of storyboarding.
First time it got disqualified was because white.png needed to be adjusted, right? This has been fixed already, hasn't it? Deif disqualified again mainly due to badly snapped transitions. The storyboarder already fixed them quite a lot right? Are the current transitions still that fundamentally broken to hold this back from a rebubble? Can this please be discussed?
Topic Starter
Fixed 03:37:473 - only.
No change to the "transitions"; reasons are in Sey's post.
Updated.
No change to the "transitions"; reasons are in Sey's post.
Updated.
I am just like any other modder - constantly learning, constantly trying to improve. Before this point, I will admit I didn't understand SB modding very well. Because of the experiences with this and other maps, I have gained more insight and am able to provide more feedback. I'm sorry I couldn't have done this before.Equim wrote:
Since you think the SB has problems,
why not say them all at a time?
Also note, that the disqualification process is not designed to fix all the flaws or problems in a map, but to generate more discussion. If no-one else is providing feedback, we have nothing to talk about, which is why it's important to take our time and work things through after gaining as much information as possible.
This is childish, though not unexpected since it already happened with the taiko diffs in this mapset. The storyboard is great, why would you remove it because it required a few small fixes? Stop rushing things and let's do this properly and professionally.Equim wrote:
If ever this SB is thrown into doubt again and leads to disqualitification, I will delete it regretfully, though I really don't expect it.
Topic Starter
You contradicted yourself! You admitted that you can't figure out all the flaws at a time, but then you said "it required a few small fixes". Hence how were you sure that it just required a few small fixes? I remember I've seen such illogic wording before the several bubble/qualification for so many times.JBHyperion wrote:
I am just like any other modder - constantly learning, constantly trying to improve. Before this point, I will admit I didn't understand SB modding very well. Because of the experiences with this and other maps, I have gained more insight and am able to provide more feedback. I'm sorry I couldn't have done this before.Equim wrote:
Since you think the SB has problems,
why not say them all at a time?
Also note, that the disqualification process is not designed to fix all the flaws or problems in a map, but to generate more discussion. If no-one else is providing feedback, we have nothing to talk about, which is why it's important to take our time and work things through after gaining as much information as possible.This is childish, though not unexpected since it already happened with the taiko diffs in this mapset. The storyboard is great, why would you remove it because it required a few small fixes? Stop rushing things and let's do this properly and professionally.Equim wrote:
If ever this SB is thrown into doubt again and leads to disqualitification, I will delete it regretfully, though I really don't expect it.
I'm not doubting your skills. Your check is the most critical one I've ever seen. But preciseness doesn't always mean to be good; it has to be at a proper extent.
If it gets disqualified due to the SB again, it shows the SB is "unrankable in nature and unfixable" in a more objective way. It is a good SB, but maybe it's because of some "minor flaws", or maybe it's simply because you don't like it for some reason, no matter what, the concept that "it can't be ranked" is much clearer than before. Then why not make the decision?
Certainly it's a tough decision for me. Kanari was an experienced SB maker, and she knew I was a beginner in mapping, but she accepted my SB request. I am still impressed with how she trusted in me. I can't let down the trust. I feel guilty to delete it, which happened when I deleted the Taikos as well.
Kurokami was wrong at the first dq. I explained my opposite opinion, by giving ranked examples and others' quotes, while I actually fixed them. But this time, it's more unreasonable. I wonder why the more we fix the more picky you are, and why you still seem to be following the wrong trend of judgement towards SB!
tl;dr - myself and others are trying to help you, and it's up to you whether you choose to accept that help, but please don't be rude. Good luck getting this requalified.Equim wrote:
You contradicted yourself! You admitted that you can't figure out all the flaws at a time, but then you said "it required a few small fixes". Hence how were you sure that it just required a few small fixes?
You misunderstand me, but my message is really quite simple. Before, I missed some stuff. Now I know more about it, so I found something to comment on. Before.... And now. No contradiction in what I say here. Had I been experienced enough to spot the issues the first time, of course I would have pointed them out. There are issues, of that I am now certain.
But preciseness doesn't always mean to be good; it has to be at a proper extent.
In what world is improving something not a good idea? Do you want a good mapset, or an average one? If you're not prepared to polish your map up to the high standards set to have it become an officialy representative osu! beatmap, then just don't map for rank - simple.
If it gets disqualified due to the SB again, it shows the SB is "unrankable in nature and unfixable" in a more objective way. It is a good SB, but maybe it's because of some "minor flaws", or maybe it's simply because you don't like it for some reason, no matter what, the concept that "it can't be ranked" is much clearer than before. Then why not make the decision?
If it gets disqualified for the SB again it means issues have not been fixed and people are rushing the qualification (I am somewhat guilty of this too - I should have put more effort into understanding Storyboarding before giving this map two icons). It in no way means it is unrankable. Please don't assume that I am suggesting these comments because I "don't like it for some reason" - that would be entirely unprofessional of me and it's extremely rude to assume this is the case here.
Kurokami was wrong at the first dq. I explained my opposite opinion, by giving ranked examples and others' quotes, while I actually fixed them. But this time, it's more unreasonable.
If the first DQ was "wrong" then the map would have been requalified straight away with no changes - which it wasn't. Kurokami was perfectly justified in his decisions to DQ the map (despite my own personal complaints at the time). Giving examples of other ranked maps is irrelevant as we are discussing this map, not those. The concerns are not unreasonable at all - they have been voiced and explained by several BNs and QATs, and should be a relatively simple fix, so I'm not sure why you insist on maintaining this defensive stance.
I wonder why the more we fix the more picky you are, and why you still seem to be following the wrong trend of judgement towards SB!
I will not apologize for holding high standards, nor will I apologize for having an opinion different from your own. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine - feel free to ask another nominator to check this map so that I can focus my attention on other maps.
in all honesty, this seems absolutely ridiculous. i've never seen such picky sb mods. it would be nice if you could fix the sb, provide the code and show me what it is you want changed
and i agree with Equim on the idea of discarding the sb if problems continue to occur, because it's tiring for both of us
and i agree with Equim on the idea of discarding the sb if problems continue to occur, because it's tiring for both of us
Hello, here to reply to some sb mods.
I think the transition is better as it is right now. Transitions usually start after the beat. Starting it before makes the transition feel less significant, because it's easy to tell when the pictures are starting to be visible, but it's difficult to tell when it's 100% done with its fade in.JBHyperion wrote:
Discussed some SB concerns with Sey and Deif, we still need to fix up a few more things unfortunately :/Not really sure what most of the images have to do with the song/anime either, but whatever, stylistic preference I guess.
- 01:02:179 - Transition here is quite late, 2nd image doesn't appear until 01:02:355 whereas the transition point is at 01:02:179 -. Make the fade out/in for both between 01:02:091 - 01:02:267 Starting the transition before this point will be a bad idea, because the music suddenly change at 01:02:179 - . The storyboard will be spoiling a change in music beforehand, and it won't look as great. I also think half a beat to transition is too short. Right now, it's long enough to show 2 bgs here "mixing" with each other, and I think it's a nice effect, especially in this kind of slow music.
- 01:38:885 - Same as above, this transition is really late, make the transition between 01:38:796 - 01:38:973same as #1
- 02:04:297 - Any reason why you decided not to use another image here? You did so for each of the other verses e.g. 01:27:591 - 01:44:532 - etc.I agree with this one, makes it more consistent with 03:37:473 . They're both transitions from chorus so should be the same imo.
- 03:29:003 - Also late, first image is still visible at 03:29:179 when the transition is at 03:29:003 -. Make the transition occur between 03:28:914 - 03:29:091 instead.same as #1
- 03:37:473 - Been thinking about this one some more, and decided that it's definitely more natural to make the transition point on the downbeat, same as you did for all the others, meaning you'll want to start/end the image fading in/out between 03:37:297 - 03:37:650 - since you have no white bg flash to accompany this transition, and you're moving into a slow section of the song, it can afford to be a little longersame as #1
Sey has some concerns of his own he wishes to voice, so I advise you to wait until he posts before responding to this to allow discussion and prevent unnecessary or potentially wrong changes.
Kanari asked me to view this in my perspective, so here it is.
JBHyperion wrote:
Discussed some SB concerns with Sey and Deif, we still need to fix up a few more things unfortunately :/
Agree / Maybe / DisagreeTo be honest. From my perspective, this was quite unnecessary DQ as SBing is mostly up to creator's creativity. With exceptions of what examination has mentioned (arbitrarily close to value of 0, but not 0) there is nothing much to fix. That being said, DQ usually helps on quality of final product, but often in a way that tampers with original intention of the masterpiece.
- 01:02:179 - Transition here is quite late, 2nd image doesn't appear until 01:02:355 whereas the transition point is at 01:02:179 -. Make the fade out/in for both between 01:02:091 - 01:02:267 Slightly late, BUT negligible. It's all upto Kanari for this.
- 01:38:885 - Same as above, this transition is really late, make the transition between 01:38:796 - 01:38:973 ^ same.. however, it's not "really late" that is just exaggerating it.
- 02:04:297 - Any reason why you decided not to use another image here? You did so for each of the other verses e.g. 01:27:591 - 01:44:532 - etc. No, It's different. The earlier part have vocals on both parts, while 02:04:297 doesn't (only has one first half). I would leave it as is.
- 03:29:003 - Also late, first image is still visible at 03:29:179 when the transition is at 03:29:003 -. Make the transition occur between 03:28:914 - 03:29:091 instead. Negligible. More like nitpicking tbh.
- 03:37:473 - Been thinking about this one some more, and decided that it's definitely more natural to make the transition point on the downbeat, same as you did for all the others, meaning you'll want to start/end the image fading in/out between 03:37:297 - 03:37:650 - since you have no white bg flash to accompany this transition, and you're moving into a slow section of the song, it can afford to be a little longer Since it doesn't have flash or anything, I would agree for this as current one is visually slightly late.
Overall, this was one INCREDIBLY nit-picky SB mod I've ever seen. (It's disappointing)
hey guys, don't be so strict at jbh or sey or deif or any other modders
they want to help this map and they are doing what they think is right here
tho some modder is really new at sb modding and not so familiar with it, we can still help him to realize what is sb modding XD
anyway, I support kanari and equim here, if you think the sb is with some bugs, you just point them out and write down once so that they can fix and qualify quickly, instead of being picky and point out again and again.
Hope this set can get qualified again soon quickly.
they want to help this map and they are doing what they think is right here
tho some modder is really new at sb modding and not so familiar with it, we can still help him to realize what is sb modding XD
anyway, I support kanari and equim here, if you think the sb is with some bugs, you just point them out and write down once so that they can fix and qualify quickly, instead of being picky and point out again and again.
Hope this set can get qualified again soon quickly.
I wasn't really trying to be mean with my post, sorry if I did sound mean.examination wrote:
hey guys, don't be so strict at jbh or sey or deif or any other modders
they want to help this map and they are doing what they think is right here
I understand they're trying to help with the storyboard, I just wanted to give my opinion on this matter.
Good luck with the mapset.
^ Hopefully I didnt sound too mean as well
Anyways, good luck Kanari! \o/
Anyways, good luck Kanari! \o/
I still don't understand the DQ's reason. Unnecessary points to change
Well . . .
Well . . .
I personally think this storyboard is ok. Of course, there are points where the quality is a little lacking
but I don't believe those issues should interfere with the ranking process
In fact, I think some mods are simply attacking the storyboarder's styles
I really would like this map to be ranked
Good luck~!
but I don't believe those issues should interfere with the ranking process
In fact, I think some mods are simply attacking the storyboarder's styles
I really would like this map to be ranked
Good luck~!
to me, pretty rare to see a map compiled with advanced SB, so better let it be
don't forget to board some pants to leave a trace :>
don't forget to board some pants to leave a trace :>
MBomb
Sorry, gonna have to agree about the unsnapped transitions, they look weird, and are definitely noticible, even at 100% speed. The storyboard is amazing, don't get me wrong, but these few issues are almost spoiling it, and I imagine you can easily fix them with the storyboarding skill shown in the rest of it.
How are they unsnapped? To me, the suggested fade in and fade out is more unsnapped because the fade in starts on a random blue tick and ends on another random blue tick. The bgs will just be sitting at 50% transparency, middle of transition right at the note.
If we moved it to start in 01:02:091 like in the mod, you'll be able to see the second picture before the note
And that feels weirder than the current transition imo.
I like the slow transition Kanari has right now better. This should be something the storyboarder can decide.
If we moved it to start in 01:02:091 like in the mod, you'll be able to see the second picture before the note
And that feels weirder than the current transition imo.
I like the slow transition Kanari has right now better. This should be something the storyboarder can decide.
I can understand why there's such little of Kuttsukiboshi in the SB pics, so I'll let that fact slip for this map.
Here's what you asked in-game. Optimised the transitions by changing the easing of the fade-offs of white.png to "2" (start slow and speed up), also reduced the time of the image transitions to keep the effect "image1 > white fade-in > white fade-out > image2" as visible as possible. Check it out and let me know in game if you have any questions:
http://puu.sh/mQKUW/e190eb8f53.rar
Here's what you asked in-game. Optimised the transitions by changing the easing of the fade-offs of white.png to "2" (start slow and speed up), also reduced the time of the image transitions to keep the effect "image1 > white fade-in > white fade-out > image2" as visible as possible. Check it out and let me know in game if you have any questions:
http://puu.sh/mQKUW/e190eb8f53.rar
Topic Starter
To be honest I admire your insistence. What Deif pointed out just now was mainly "another problem" in the transitions that is different from the previous one about the "offset" in the transitions. However, I agree with Deif this time on this aspect. Whereas Deif's post contained the code which may prevent many futher misunderstandings, I think we might end this argument now.
Thank you Deif, JBHyperion, and examination, -[Koinuri], BetaStar, Damnae, XinCrin.
updated.
Thank you Deif, JBHyperion, and examination, -[Koinuri], BetaStar, Damnae, XinCrin.
updated.