We had a nice chat
21:16 [ Rizen ]: maybe make the offset to both diffs
21:16 [ Rizen ]: 2520
21:16 TheOnlyLeon: ?? is it wrong?
21:17 [ Rizen ]: as that is where the large white tick should be
21:17 [ Rizen ]: the timing is correct
21:17 [ Rizen ]: it's just out of phase
21:17 TheOnlyLeon: oh ok
21:17 [ Rizen ]: like, you know how in music classes, they go
21:17 [ Rizen ]: ONE two three four ONE two three four
21:17 TheOnlyLeon: yea, ive been playing piano for 12 years, i get basic theory
21:17 [ Rizen ]: well, yours is going one two THREE four one two THREE four
21:17 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:18 [ Rizen ]: modding the normal atm
21:18 *[ Rizen ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/769205 t+pazolite - Interlude - Teatime [Normal]]
21:19 TheOnlyLeon: actually, taht offset is nicer now that i try it, thx
21:20 TheOnlyLeon: i have the norm open, im here so might as well irc
21:20 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:20 [ Rizen ]: 00:14:220 (4,5,6) -
21:21 [ Rizen ]: the emphasis on the (bells?) is wrong
21:21 [ Rizen ]: because it lands on the slider end
21:21 [ Rizen ]: try this rhythm:
21:22 [ Rizen ]: http://puu.sh/jMzvo/eaf902b9e3.png
21:22 [ Rizen ]: starting at 00:14:220 (4) -
21:23 [ Rizen ]: 00:19:020 (2,3,4) - another example of incorrect emphasis, maybe try this rhythm starting at 00:19:020
21:23 [ Rizen ]: http://puu.sh/jMzyI/43dd52652a.png
21:23 TheOnlyLeon: ok, I changed that, moved the positioning slightly
21:24 [ Rizen ]: NC should be made every 1 or 2 measures for a normal
21:25 [ Rizen ]: in this case, 2 measures
21:25 [ Rizen ]: so remove NC at 00:16:170 (1) -
21:25 TheOnlyLeon: i assume by measures you're talking about big whites right?
21:25 [ Rizen ]: and add NC to 00:16:920 (3) -
21:25 [ Rizen ]: yeah
21:25 [ Rizen ]: 00:18:570 (1) - remove NC
21:25 [ Rizen ]: I think you get the idea
21:26 [ Rizen ]: are you mapping with grid on or off?
21:26 TheOnlyLeon: grid on
21:27 TheOnlyLeon: view levle 3
21:27 [ Rizen ]: I suggest turning it off and realigning the spacing of everything
21:27 [ Rizen ]: because
21:27 [ Rizen ]: for example here: 00:27:420 (2) -
21:27 [ Rizen ]: the spacing is incorrect, as shown at the upper right corner
21:27 [ Rizen ]: even though it's by a few millimetres, it's still uneven
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: wait, how can you tell that?
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: oh
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: nvm
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: i see how
21:28 [ Rizen ]: right now, it ranges from 1.45-1.55
21:28 [ Rizen ]: should be down to about 1.48-1.52 at most
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: mine says it's 1.49 to 1.45
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: but ok
21:29 [ Rizen ]: i meant throughout the entire diff :s
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: yea ok
21:29 [ Rizen ]: right now, the diff has a lot of empty space
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: ill get it down, gimme a minute
21:29 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:30 [ Rizen ]: tell me when you're ready
21:32 TheOnlyLeon: ok finished
21:32 TheOnlyLeon: all DS is almost exactly 1.5x
21:32 TheOnlyLeon: except for after the breaks
21:32 [ Rizen ]: yeah, that should be fine
21:32 [ Rizen ]: about the breaks
21:33 [ Rizen ]: you can probably fill some in
21:33 [ Rizen ]: for example
21:33 [ Rizen ]: 00:28:620 (1) -
21:33 [ Rizen ]: you can probably emphasize the holding of the note at 00:28:920
21:33 [ Rizen ]: 00:28:920 -
21:33 [ Rizen ]: by doing
21:33 [ Rizen ]: circle at 00:28:620 (2) -
21:34 [ Rizen ]: and slider at 00:28:920 (3) -
21:34 TheOnlyLeon: OK I see what you're getting at.
21:34 [ Rizen ]: ending at 00:30:120 -
21:34 TheOnlyLeon: that's exactly where i put the end anyways
21:34 TheOnlyLeon: so should i be looking for more of those?
21:35 [ Rizen ]: 00:33:720 (2,3,4) - nice work, emphasized correctly
21:35 [ Rizen ]: kinda
21:35 [ Rizen ]: with the breaks
21:35 [ Rizen ]: it's kinda awkward
21:35 TheOnlyLeon: hmm, I just felt the background rhythm was too fast for an easy/normal diff
21:36 [ Rizen ]: you don't have to map every single sound
21:36 [ Rizen ]: for easy/normal
21:36 [ Rizen ]: just the most obvious ones
21:36 TheOnlyLeon: yea, taht's why i left so many breaks
21:36 [ Rizen ]: usually at the end of each uh.... section(?)
21:37 [ Rizen ]: the note is sustained
21:37 [ Rizen ]: you can fill breaks with a slider which emphasises the holding of the note
21:37 [ Rizen ]: not the background rhythm
21:37 TheOnlyLeon: ok, ill try making that happen
21:38 [ Rizen ]: 00:31:320 (1) - imo, that's kindas ugly
21:38 [ Rizen ]: but should be fine
21:39 TheOnlyLeon: uhh, honestly shaping sliders is my weakest point so im not surprised they arent very pretty
21:39 TheOnlyLeon: last time i tried mapping long sliders the map was aesthetically awful
21:40 [ Rizen ]: hm
21:40 [ Rizen ]: regarding the large white tick, usually there should be something clickable ther
21:40 [ Rizen ]: there*
21:40 [ Rizen ]: eg. slider head or circle
21:40 [ Rizen ]: applies to all diffs
21:41 [ Rizen ]: ok, moving on to the easy
21:41 [ Rizen ]: tell me when you're ready
21:41 TheOnlyLeon: one sec, re hitsounding for the changed notes
21:41 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:42 TheOnlyLeon: ok, finished
21:42 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:42 *[ Rizen ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/769204 t+pazolite - Interlude - Teatime [Easy]]
21:42 TheOnlyLeon: the diffs are quite similar
21:43 [ Rizen ]: 00:03:720 (2) - blanket around the tail of slider 1
21:43 [ Rizen ]: so move the third point lower by a little bit
21:44 TheOnlyLeon: I shifted it slightly, I beleive I was trying to blanket it already but screwed up
21:45 TheOnlyLeon: I think I've got it now
21:45 [ Rizen ]: uhhh, gimme 3 mins
21:45 [ Rizen ]: i need to reupload a beatmap
21:45 TheOnlyLeon: kk
21:49 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:50 *[ Rizen ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/769204 t+pazolite - Interlude - Teatime [Easy]]
21:50 [ Rizen ]: yeah, the reuploading didn't work
21:50 [ Rizen ]: zzz
21:50 [ Rizen ]: one thing that i'm worried about this diff is that
21:50 [ Rizen ]: you have sliders which repeat twice
21:50 [ Rizen ]: 00:04:920 (3) - is an example
21:50 TheOnlyLeon: is that a problem on easy?
21:50 [ Rizen ]: after a slider like 00:03:720 (2) - , players would expect the slider to repeat that many times: once
21:51 [ Rizen ]: however, that one should be fine 00:04:920 (3) -
21:51 [ Rizen ]: but one like 00:19:020 (2) - could be misleading
21:51 TheOnlyLeon: I generally think this map is slow enough that it shouldn't be a problem but i guess in terms of easy's it can be more strict?
21:52 TheOnlyLeon: maybe on that one i scrap the next circle and make it repeat 3 times?
21:52 [ Rizen ]: I'm not too sure about those repeat sliders, but it's just my own opinion
21:52 TheOnlyLeon: ok, I think that's something I'll wait for a second opinion on
21:52 [ Rizen ]: yeah, that's a good idea
21:53 TheOnlyLeon: say, am I allowed to ahve a map without Kiai time?
21:53 TheOnlyLeon: cause I mean, I can't imagine any point in this map that it fits
21:53 [ Rizen ]: yeah, should be fine
21:54 [ Rizen ]: 00:27:420 (2,3,4) - you can probably make this symmetrical
21:54 [ Rizen ]: i.e.
21:54 [ Rizen ]: move 00:27:420 (2) - to x:386 y:202
21:54 [ Rizen ]: move 00:28:170 (3) - to x:257 y:286
21:55 [ Rizen ]: then
21:55 [ Rizen ]: ctrl+c and ctrl+v 00:27:420 (2) - to the second slider's position
21:55 [ Rizen ]: then ctrl+h
21:55 [ Rizen ]: and ctrl+g
21:56 [ Rizen ]: looks neater
21:56 TheOnlyLeon: ok, I fixed it
21:57 [ Rizen ]: yeah, so make the sliders and circles a bit neater
21:57 [ Rizen ]: you can do that by
21:57 [ Rizen ]: blanketing sliders around circles when appropriate
21:57 [ Rizen ]: using symmetry (use grid as a guide)
21:58 [ Rizen ]: yeah
21:16 [ Rizen ]: 2520
21:16 TheOnlyLeon: ?? is it wrong?
21:17 [ Rizen ]: as that is where the large white tick should be
21:17 [ Rizen ]: the timing is correct
21:17 [ Rizen ]: it's just out of phase
21:17 TheOnlyLeon: oh ok
21:17 [ Rizen ]: like, you know how in music classes, they go
21:17 [ Rizen ]: ONE two three four ONE two three four
21:17 TheOnlyLeon: yea, ive been playing piano for 12 years, i get basic theory
21:17 [ Rizen ]: well, yours is going one two THREE four one two THREE four
21:17 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:18 [ Rizen ]: modding the normal atm
21:18 *[ Rizen ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/769205 t+pazolite - Interlude - Teatime [Normal]]
21:19 TheOnlyLeon: actually, taht offset is nicer now that i try it, thx
21:20 TheOnlyLeon: i have the norm open, im here so might as well irc
21:20 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:20 [ Rizen ]: 00:14:220 (4,5,6) -
21:21 [ Rizen ]: the emphasis on the (bells?) is wrong
21:21 [ Rizen ]: because it lands on the slider end
21:21 [ Rizen ]: try this rhythm:
21:22 [ Rizen ]: http://puu.sh/jMzvo/eaf902b9e3.png
21:22 [ Rizen ]: starting at 00:14:220 (4) -
21:23 [ Rizen ]: 00:19:020 (2,3,4) - another example of incorrect emphasis, maybe try this rhythm starting at 00:19:020
21:23 [ Rizen ]: http://puu.sh/jMzyI/43dd52652a.png
21:23 TheOnlyLeon: ok, I changed that, moved the positioning slightly
21:24 [ Rizen ]: NC should be made every 1 or 2 measures for a normal
21:25 [ Rizen ]: in this case, 2 measures
21:25 [ Rizen ]: so remove NC at 00:16:170 (1) -
21:25 TheOnlyLeon: i assume by measures you're talking about big whites right?
21:25 [ Rizen ]: and add NC to 00:16:920 (3) -
21:25 [ Rizen ]: yeah
21:25 [ Rizen ]: 00:18:570 (1) - remove NC
21:25 [ Rizen ]: I think you get the idea
21:26 [ Rizen ]: are you mapping with grid on or off?
21:26 TheOnlyLeon: grid on
21:27 TheOnlyLeon: view levle 3
21:27 [ Rizen ]: I suggest turning it off and realigning the spacing of everything
21:27 [ Rizen ]: because
21:27 [ Rizen ]: for example here: 00:27:420 (2) -
21:27 [ Rizen ]: the spacing is incorrect, as shown at the upper right corner
21:27 [ Rizen ]: even though it's by a few millimetres, it's still uneven
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: wait, how can you tell that?
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: oh
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: nvm
21:28 TheOnlyLeon: i see how
21:28 [ Rizen ]: right now, it ranges from 1.45-1.55
21:28 [ Rizen ]: should be down to about 1.48-1.52 at most
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: mine says it's 1.49 to 1.45
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: but ok
21:29 [ Rizen ]: i meant throughout the entire diff :s
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: yea ok
21:29 [ Rizen ]: right now, the diff has a lot of empty space
21:29 TheOnlyLeon: ill get it down, gimme a minute
21:29 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:30 [ Rizen ]: tell me when you're ready
21:32 TheOnlyLeon: ok finished
21:32 TheOnlyLeon: all DS is almost exactly 1.5x
21:32 TheOnlyLeon: except for after the breaks
21:32 [ Rizen ]: yeah, that should be fine
21:32 [ Rizen ]: about the breaks
21:33 [ Rizen ]: you can probably fill some in
21:33 [ Rizen ]: for example
21:33 [ Rizen ]: 00:28:620 (1) -
21:33 [ Rizen ]: you can probably emphasize the holding of the note at 00:28:920
21:33 [ Rizen ]: 00:28:920 -
21:33 [ Rizen ]: by doing
21:33 [ Rizen ]: circle at 00:28:620 (2) -
21:34 [ Rizen ]: and slider at 00:28:920 (3) -
21:34 TheOnlyLeon: OK I see what you're getting at.
21:34 [ Rizen ]: ending at 00:30:120 -
21:34 TheOnlyLeon: that's exactly where i put the end anyways
21:34 TheOnlyLeon: so should i be looking for more of those?
21:35 [ Rizen ]: 00:33:720 (2,3,4) - nice work, emphasized correctly
21:35 [ Rizen ]: kinda
21:35 [ Rizen ]: with the breaks
21:35 [ Rizen ]: it's kinda awkward
21:35 TheOnlyLeon: hmm, I just felt the background rhythm was too fast for an easy/normal diff
21:36 [ Rizen ]: you don't have to map every single sound
21:36 [ Rizen ]: for easy/normal
21:36 [ Rizen ]: just the most obvious ones
21:36 TheOnlyLeon: yea, taht's why i left so many breaks
21:36 [ Rizen ]: usually at the end of each uh.... section(?)
21:37 [ Rizen ]: the note is sustained
21:37 [ Rizen ]: you can fill breaks with a slider which emphasises the holding of the note
21:37 [ Rizen ]: not the background rhythm
21:37 TheOnlyLeon: ok, ill try making that happen
21:38 [ Rizen ]: 00:31:320 (1) - imo, that's kindas ugly
21:38 [ Rizen ]: but should be fine
21:39 TheOnlyLeon: uhh, honestly shaping sliders is my weakest point so im not surprised they arent very pretty
21:39 TheOnlyLeon: last time i tried mapping long sliders the map was aesthetically awful
21:40 [ Rizen ]: hm
21:40 [ Rizen ]: regarding the large white tick, usually there should be something clickable ther
21:40 [ Rizen ]: there*
21:40 [ Rizen ]: eg. slider head or circle
21:40 [ Rizen ]: applies to all diffs
21:41 [ Rizen ]: ok, moving on to the easy
21:41 [ Rizen ]: tell me when you're ready
21:41 TheOnlyLeon: one sec, re hitsounding for the changed notes
21:41 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:42 TheOnlyLeon: ok, finished
21:42 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:42 *[ Rizen ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/769204 t+pazolite - Interlude - Teatime [Easy]]
21:42 TheOnlyLeon: the diffs are quite similar
21:43 [ Rizen ]: 00:03:720 (2) - blanket around the tail of slider 1
21:43 [ Rizen ]: so move the third point lower by a little bit
21:44 TheOnlyLeon: I shifted it slightly, I beleive I was trying to blanket it already but screwed up
21:45 TheOnlyLeon: I think I've got it now
21:45 [ Rizen ]: uhhh, gimme 3 mins
21:45 [ Rizen ]: i need to reupload a beatmap
21:45 TheOnlyLeon: kk
21:49 [ Rizen ]: kk
21:50 *[ Rizen ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/769204 t+pazolite - Interlude - Teatime [Easy]]
21:50 [ Rizen ]: yeah, the reuploading didn't work
21:50 [ Rizen ]: zzz
21:50 [ Rizen ]: one thing that i'm worried about this diff is that
21:50 [ Rizen ]: you have sliders which repeat twice
21:50 [ Rizen ]: 00:04:920 (3) - is an example
21:50 TheOnlyLeon: is that a problem on easy?
21:50 [ Rizen ]: after a slider like 00:03:720 (2) - , players would expect the slider to repeat that many times: once
21:51 [ Rizen ]: however, that one should be fine 00:04:920 (3) -
21:51 [ Rizen ]: but one like 00:19:020 (2) - could be misleading
21:51 TheOnlyLeon: I generally think this map is slow enough that it shouldn't be a problem but i guess in terms of easy's it can be more strict?
21:52 TheOnlyLeon: maybe on that one i scrap the next circle and make it repeat 3 times?
21:52 [ Rizen ]: I'm not too sure about those repeat sliders, but it's just my own opinion
21:52 TheOnlyLeon: ok, I think that's something I'll wait for a second opinion on
21:52 [ Rizen ]: yeah, that's a good idea
21:53 TheOnlyLeon: say, am I allowed to ahve a map without Kiai time?
21:53 TheOnlyLeon: cause I mean, I can't imagine any point in this map that it fits
21:53 [ Rizen ]: yeah, should be fine
21:54 [ Rizen ]: 00:27:420 (2,3,4) - you can probably make this symmetrical
21:54 [ Rizen ]: i.e.
21:54 [ Rizen ]: move 00:27:420 (2) - to x:386 y:202
21:54 [ Rizen ]: move 00:28:170 (3) - to x:257 y:286
21:55 [ Rizen ]: then
21:55 [ Rizen ]: ctrl+c and ctrl+v 00:27:420 (2) - to the second slider's position
21:55 [ Rizen ]: then ctrl+h
21:55 [ Rizen ]: and ctrl+g
21:56 [ Rizen ]: looks neater
21:56 TheOnlyLeon: ok, I fixed it
21:57 [ Rizen ]: yeah, so make the sliders and circles a bit neater
21:57 [ Rizen ]: you can do that by
21:57 [ Rizen ]: blanketing sliders around circles when appropriate
21:57 [ Rizen ]: using symmetry (use grid as a guide)
21:58 [ Rizen ]: yeah