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Ace Timing
^ aimed at amianki
Drezi
and you're speculating on who might be a town doc because..?
Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Actually the chance of doc being in this game actually doesn't seem too high as of the evidence available so
VOTE: Slaini
noise from slaini -> no kill tonight -> "we prob don't have a doc, so I vote him" ??

I don't have any particular problem with a slaini wagon happening, but what exactly are you suggesting happened this night then?
He could've been roleblocked. Or, even if I don't necessarily fully agree with this despite its probable validity, he could've submitted the NK for haneii and doc protected him, which could explain his bolded name. That's one reason,however I believe there is no doc, but I can't ignore this scenario just because of a gut feeling with a tinge of logic. And therefore, I vote.
Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

and you're speculating on who might be a town doc because..?
Because I mentioned it before.
Setsuen
Haneii could be BP whose name gets bolded when her vest gets popped for all we know.
Ace Timing
That is also true.
MBomb
Haneii was not targetted last night.
MBomb
Nor did Haneii use any action.
Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

Because I mentioned it before.
I don't care, you don't do it as town...
Amianki
hm
Haneii
I don't know why my name is in bold.


Setsuen: did you hear a noise night 3?
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

I don't know why my name is in bold.


Setsuen: did you hear a noise night 3?
This was answered earlier on, but no he didn't.
Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Because I mentioned it before.
I don't care, you don't do it as town...
So lemme get this straight.

If person a says person s could be town because of the existence of a doctor
and person a later says the chances of that happening is low and retracts their earlier statement.
and person c asks for the reasoning behind this
person a shouldn't answer, because the reason involves trying to prove the unlikeliness of the current doctor candidates being doctor and is therefore anti-town.
person a should leave their reasoning ambiguous and up in the air.

This is basically what you're implying.
Haneii
Sorry, MB. I'm trying to find where he says that but I'm struggling to find anything using my phone.

if you don't mind, can you quote it?

Can someone also check if setsuwn has ever placed a vote after day 1.

@Mod: can important events be linked in the op (day start/end), please?
Raging Bull

Drezi wrote:

hey RB, why exactly would I tell you that? why would you even ask me that?
Has to be with the fact there was no kill last night.
Setsuen
I stopped placing votes. Plz carry TY.
MBomb

Setsuen wrote:

so MB literally did nothing then. 10/10 I wish I got a better house
Here Haneii.
Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

person a should leave their reasoning ambiguous and up in the air.
you don't need to speculate who might be a doc to make your point.

an NK did not happen, so scum did not submit one or it had been blocked somehow (jail doc commute bp), so I don't think us having a protective is THAT unlikely. it doesn't make slaini town, he could have performed the NK with the target being protected, or him jailed etc.
MBomb
Actually, Haneii, could I ask why you asked if Setsuen heard a sound? Surely, being below me, you should also know.
Setsuen
so since Haneii doesn't know why she is bolded. I am guessing that it is a scum ability bc no one claimed to do it and I am also going to guess that it is a random ability that marks Haneii to be automatically killed by the end of D4.

If not I don't trust pie's Haneii is town statement anymore.
Setsuen
my other guess would have been a scum motivator ability that allowed Haneii to double vote or something but then why would scum be dumb enough to motivate themselves for all to see amiright
MBomb
My main concern is the fact that Haneii got bolded with:

1. Me hearing no sound.
2. Setsuen hearing no sound (In case I got targetted by some scum ability that made me unable to hear sounds).
3. Despite point 1, Haneii still asks if Setsuen heard a sound, despite the fact Haneii should know, considering I heard no sound from below me, meaning they used no action, and even if I heard sound below me, they're (As far as we know) a D3 doublevoter.
Raging Bull
Actually yeah, i didnt hear a sound from haneii.

@haneii. Did you hear a sound?
MBomb
My main thoughts on what could've happened are:

1. Haneii has some kind of ninja ability, where I hear no sounds at night, but instead they are bolded the following day. This would most likely lead to him being scum, as I don't see this benefitting town.

2. Haneii was targetted/used an ability, and someone used something on me that involves me being unable to hear sounds, whilst also being unheard by others (Idk kinda like a commuter that targets someone else? Idk if a role like this exists but it's possible). This would be null, it wouldn't matter what role Haneii has.

3. Haneii got targetted by some kind of ninja scum, and is a JOAT with D3 doublevote, where when a second ability is used, they are bolded. This would of course lead to Haneii being town, as scum would not target one of their own teammates.

I'm not sure which of these is most likely, but considering my townread on Haneii right now, I'd say 1 is least likely, to me, although all of these explanations seem quite unlikely to me, they're just my main thoughts.
MBomb
Ok after RB's post, 2 is out of the question for sure.
Topic Starter
Sakura

Haneii wrote:

@Mod: can important events be linked in the op (day start/end), please?
I added them. Let's hope i don't forget to keep it updated this time.
MBomb
I'm sleeping now, and then I have college tomorrow, may be on for like a few minutes before college but yeah not enough to post anything probably, so I'll post if I have any other theories before that (If nothing else gets posted about it), and of course read up, once i get back.
Raging Bull
Ninja only modifies like tracker rigbt? As in tracker wont know who targetted someone.
Raging Bull
And i dont get 3. If there is joat for scum, wont tjey be more inclined to target their teammates? Like that madoka game with scum doc.

Depending on haneii answer, i think its something simple.
Haneii
Oh sorry, I meant N2, setsuen. Did you hear a sound the night before?
Haneii
Don't have time to read the last couple of pages up until this point atm. Will go through everything and respond to any questions when I get home tonight.
Setsuen
I obv heard a sound N2. Hello, the person above me DIED FOR GOSH SAKE.
Ace Timing
@MB JOAT isn't always a scum role.
Haneii
So you heard a sound because you did no action that night, right?

Also, can you please vote for someone besides slaini right now and leave it until the next vote count.


Waiting out a thunderstorm before driving home >.> Reading through thread in the meantime I guess.
Raging Bull
Oh yeah
V/LA for the whole weekend. September 4/5
Timezone difference. Should be weekend here when its septeber 4 and 5.
Topic Starter
Sakura

Raging Bull wrote:

Oh yeah
V/LA for the whole weekend. September 4/5
Timezone difference. Should be weekend here when its septeber 4 and 5.
Noted.
Setsuen
Vote:drezi

I am going to lol if you think I am a double voter.
Setsuen
Vote:drezi
Haneii
Just in case ^_^
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 4.03

sLaiNi (4) - notscience, Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Ace Timing [L-1]
Drezi (1) - Setsuen

Not Voting (4) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Raging Bull, Drezi

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Setsuen
End of story. I am not double voter. Get rekt.
Haneii
@MB
On Pg 88

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Hey drezi, whats your role.
Why Drezi?

Also Vote: slaini
Why did you vote slaini here?




- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Actually, Haneii, could I ask why you asked if Setsuen heard a sound? Surely, being below me, you should also know.
Yeah, sorry about that. I derped. I meant night 2. I wanted to get more info about his role (inb4 role fishing). Just wanted to make sure about something (ie: He’s heard a sound all 3 nights which means he doesn't perform night actions - however might choose not to do them-, which made me suspicious of the fact that he doesn’t vote during the day. That’s why I asked him to vote. Not necessarily to see if he was a double voter – I don’t think he would hide it if he was one – but to see if his vote would do anything. Sorry, just a bit paranoid because I don’t believe his claim.

Tl;dr I’m curious and still suspicious of setsuen.




Raging Bull wrote:

@haneii. Did you hear a sound?
No.




Sakura wrote:

I added them. Let's hope i don't forget to keep it updated this time.
Thank you
Haneii
Waiting to hear from Slaini.
Haneii
EBWOP: I meant to write "he heard a noise both nights", not all 3 nights. And I beleive he didn't hear anything night 3 because of his initial conclusion of why he didn't hear anything last night.
sLaiNi
@Sakura, that roleplay text at the end of D3 made me laugh so hard, thanks for the good start in the morning back then :D

Ace, so you heard me making sounds, too? Your actions feel like it, but just to make sure.

If that's the case, basically there are following options I guess:

1. I got targeted by scum and was saved by a doctor.
2. Noone did anything with me and instead someone else was tried to be killed, and scum used a ability to shift the sounds to me.
3. Scum did not do anything and instead just lies now about me making sounds. The chance of this is round about 0%. I just wanted to name this here.


Also, did Amianki ever reveal his/her role? I just want to know if he did, not what it is.


Don't hammer me, and if someone hammers me feel free to lynch him next day.
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

@MB JOAT isn't always a scum role.
Erm, the situation in which I said Haneii was a JOAT, that would mean they were town.
Amianki
No. I have never roleclaimed and I never crumb.
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

No. I have never roleclaimed and I never crumb.
What does crumb mean? :x
Amianki
Hinting at your role without it being obvious.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

@MB
On Pg 88

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also Vote: slaini
Why did you vote slaini here?
I'm like, 99% sure that either Amianki or slaini is scum. As for why I voted slaini instead, there was one vote at the time I started my post, so I wanted to add pressure onto him, seeing as it's easier to add pressure onto someone who's already got votes. I only took my vote off after amianki put his on because, as I stated, I wanted to check for a doublevoter first (Just in case someone tried to put him on L-1 and accidentally hammered).

Also, yes, if someone hammers slaini now, lynch them, seeing as we ofc know he's on L-1.
sLaiNi
[quote="- Magic Bomb -"][quote="Haneii"]
I'm like, 99% sure that either Amianki or slaini is scum. As for why I voted slaini instead, there was one vote at the time I started my post, so I wanted to add pressure onto him, seeing as it's easier to add pressure onto someone who's already got votes. I only took my vote off after amianki put his on because, as I stated, I wanted to check for a doublevoter first (Just in case someone tried to put him on L-1 and accidentally hammered).

Also, yes, if someone hammers slaini now, lynch them, seeing as we ofc know he's on L-1.
So why do you feel scummy over Amianki, could you explain this in detail please?
sLaiNi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I'm like, 99% sure that either Amianki or slaini is scum. As for why I voted slaini instead, there was one vote at the time I started my post, so I wanted to add pressure onto him, seeing as it's easier to add pressure onto someone who's already got votes. I only took my vote off after amianki put his on because, as I stated, I wanted to check for a doublevoter first (Just in case someone tried to put him on L-1 and accidentally hammered).

Also, yes, if someone hammers slaini now, lynch them, seeing as we ofc know he's on L-1.
So why do you feel scummy over Amianki, could you explain this in detail please?




[Repost] the other one fd the quotes up :x
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I'm like, 99% sure that either Amianki or slaini is scum. As for why I voted slaini instead, there was one vote at the time I started my post, so I wanted to add pressure onto him, seeing as it's easier to add pressure onto someone who's already got votes. I only took my vote off after amianki put his on because, as I stated, I wanted to check for a doublevoter first (Just in case someone tried to put him on L-1 and accidentally hammered).

Also, yes, if someone hammers slaini now, lynch them, seeing as we ofc know he's on L-1.
So why do you feel scummy over Amianki, could you explain this in detail please?
Hmm, I don't understand your question here.
Setsuen
I think Haneii is the only person left here who still don't know why I claimed Miller D1 while KNOWING that I don't visit
sLaiNi

-Magic Bomb- wrote:

Hmm, I don't understand your question here.
Why do you think Amianki is scum.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

-Magic Bomb- wrote:

Hmm, I don't understand your question here.
Why do you think Amianki is scum.
I said I think one of you is scum, I'm not sure which though. That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.
Haneii

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.
How?
Raging Bull
vote drezi

As for haneii bolded name, i think haneii just cant hear mb or me. I dont understand why haneii.

As for slaini, i dont know why scum would make slaini do the kill if jess did the same and was near ns
Drezi
care to explain why you're voting me?
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

i think haneii just cant hear mb or me. I dont understand why haneii.
why would you think that? Did you perform an action last night?

Also, if Drezi was scum, why have Jess perform the kill?

I was wondering if someone tried to perform an action on me (I'm thinking trying to switch me with another house), and it didn't go through/work because I've already moved once. I find it odd that this game has a treehouse setup/flavour, but the busdriver is one shot.
Raging Bull

Raging Bull wrote:

Drezi wrote:

hey RB, why exactly would I tell you that? why would you even ask me that?
Has to be with the fact there was no kill last night.
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

Also, if Drezi was scum, why have Jess perform the kill?
Ughhhh that is also true. It would have made more sense to always send drezi for a kill. The only thing i can think of that would make sense would be ns drezi jess team which ns pushes for jess lynch to look more town and distance drezi more
notscience

Raging Bull wrote:

vote drezi

As for haneii bolded name, i think haneii just cant hear mb or me. I dont understand why haneii.

As for slaini, i dont know why scum would make slaini do the kill if jess did the same and was near ns
Maybe for that explicit reason

Anyways, I don't recall slaini being a particularly townread person, worthy of a protect or even being killed.

Do you?
notscience

sLaiNi wrote:

1. I got targeted by scum and was saved by a doctor.
2. Noone did anything with me and instead someone else was tried to be killed, and scum used a ability to shift the sounds to me.
3. Scum did not do anything and instead just lies now about me making sounds. The chance of this is round about 0%. I just wanted to name this here.
1) You aren't a widely townread player, this is hard to believe.
2) If they had this ability wouldn't they have used this before?
3) lol.
notscience
Also who else was a doublevoter?

I know Slaini was but I forget who the others are. I think the best course of action is to purge the scum in that set and then figure out whoever's left.
Setsuen
Look at VC. I am obv double voter instead of miller.
Pretty sure Ace claimed Double Voter on like D2.
Haneii

Haneii wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

i think haneii just cant hear mb or me. I dont understand why haneii.
why would you think that? Did you perform an action last night?
Hey RB, can you answer this question for me, please?

notscience wrote:

Also who else was a doublevoter?
Slaini (D1), Ace (D2), and Me (D3).
notscience
Okay.

So.

I think it's Ace/slaini

And then the last scum is in the non doublevoters.
notscience
Probably RB/Magic.
Ace Timing
@RB: you wanna explain your sudden vote on Drezi?
notscience
Someone explain why a protective role would target slaini, please.

Or why scum would kill him.
Raging Bull

notscience wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

vote drezi

As for haneii bolded name, i think haneii just cant hear mb or me. I dont understand why haneii.

As for slaini, i dont know why scum would make slaini do the kill if jess did the same and was near ns
Maybe for that explicit reason

Anyways, I don't recall slaini being a particularly townread person, worthy of a protect or even being killed.

Do you?
I did at d1, but not so much d2. But why would scum even make him do the kill after what happened to jess?
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

Haneii wrote:

why would you think that? Did you perform an action last night?
Hey RB, can you answer this question for me, please?
I thought it wpuld be obvious when i asked you if you heard a sound. Yes.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 4.04

sLaiNi (4) - notscience, Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Ace Timing [L-1]
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull

Not Voting (3) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Drezi

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
notscience
Lesser of two evils?

Unless we have someone explicitly claim they targetted him he should be the lynch today.
Haneii

notscience wrote:

Lesser of two evils?

Unless we have someone explicitly claim they targetted him he should be the lynch today.
You heard a sound from slaini indicating he was targeted or he performed an action last night.

RB performed an action last night (could be town or scum action).

Why slaini over RB? Because of the possible role fishing yesterday?

Also, I'm pretty sure slaini would leave the night actions to his scum buddy and avoid performing any actions himself last night considering the suspicions placed on him the day before.
Ace Timing
UNVOTE: Slaini
sLaiNi

Raging Bull wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Hey RB, can you answer this question for me, please?
I thought it wpuld be obvious when i asked you if you heard a sound. Yes.

Was it an Action where you had to target someone?
Setsuen
Since it's obv today lynch is between two person lets take a poll.

How many of you think I am a visiting role.
MBomb

Setsuen wrote:

Since it's obv today lynch is between two person lets take a poll.

How many of you think I am a visiting role.
I don't think this, because the miller seems like a very strange falseclaim to make for no reason.
MBomb
Most people would just pretend to be VT.
MBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Most people would just pretend to be VT.
Actually, I meant most people wouldn't even roleclaim.
notscience
He very clearly just wants attention...
Setsuen

notscience wrote:

He very clearly just wants attention...
You clearly don't even know my role.
notscience
If you're not claiming to have targetted Slaini I don't care.

If you are going to avoid answering that I'm just going to lynch him anyways.
Setsuen

notscience wrote:

If you're not claiming to have targetted Slaini I don't care.

If you are going to avoid answering that I'm just going to lynch him anyways.
>Implying I even care about who you try to lynch off.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 4.05

sLaiNi (3) - notscience, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-2]
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull

Not Voting (4) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Drezi, Ace Timing

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Setsuen
Feel free to tell me when to hammer everyone. I expect to be carried if slani is scum bc I told you so on like D1.
Haneii
Hey, MB?
sLaiNi
Ace and Haneii, would you be so nice and answer my questions?
Setsuen
so we have four choice

1.Assume slani is scum and hunt for the 3rd scum bc this is 13P
2.Assume slani is scum, lynch and then do nothing until scum win
3.Assume slani might not be scum and counterwagon someone else.
4.I check people ISO to see when they last posted so that I can spam tell Sakura to prod lurkers right when it has been 24hours since they last posted.
Ace Timing

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace and Haneii, would you be so nice and answer my questions?
What questions?
Ace Timing

Ace Timing wrote:

>implying that I'm actually not a JOAT with one of the abilities being double vote for one day
Yeah I heard sounds, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
I just now realized I put votes instead of sounds.
Haneii
Which questions, slaini?
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Hey, MB?
Yeah?
Haneii

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.
How?
Setsuen
@Mod:Prod Amianki and drezi
Topic Starter
Sakura

Setsuen wrote:

@Mod:Prod Amianki and drezi
Amianki and Drezi have been prodded!
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.
How?
I'm not sure, it's just my gut feeling.
Drezi
yeah im here, tbh I got quite pissed off at Jess flipping scum yet again, i'm so sick of having to deal with her shit every single game, and she won't stop joining games...

I don't think it's unfeasible that notsci had been bussing bussing Jess after both of them got close to a lynch last day, it'd make sense so that one of them gains a lot better position next day, but well it's not a scenario I'd be pushing unless the game doesn't seem to make sense otherwise later on.

I'd probably need to reread stuff but I don't really have a town feeling of sLaiNi's doing this game overall. It'd be nice to get more out of the day instead of a single wagon, but in this game it's already an accomplishment when we can actually agree to wagon and possibly lynch a single person, and I'm fine with a sLaiNi lynch..

Also note that sLaiNi had not claimed sounds at all afaik, while he should have confirmed that notsci/Ace had been silent simply to give us more info and confirm they aren't lying about hearing stuff etc.
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