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Dzeko & Torres - 2014 in 10 Minutes

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Aka
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Aka
is it so fun to pop everything when you've got a chance? i could have popped your bubble as well but didnt do that ._.
and i thought we also agreed that you, inyus and me are going to take care of the map, which ninjas?

anyway, http://puu.sh/jLdfN/2240033eb7.jpg bg without that annoying watermark or w/e
Natsu
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Natsu

Aka wrote:

is it so fun to pop everything when you've got a chance? i could have popped your bubble as well but didnt do that ._.
and i thought we also agreed that you, inyus and me are going to take care of the map, which ninjas?

anyway, http://puu.sh/jLdfN/2240033eb7.jpg bg without that annoying watermark or w/e
lol so an unrankable issue is not a reason to pop a bubble now lol? I could pop your bubble yesterday as well with the 1/16 wrong snaps, instead I did talk with you in game about them, today I was rechecking the map as Leader request and I did found another unrankable issue . I wasn't going to pop, but leader is offline and some people just yolo bubble lol, I'm just making sure that all go safe before we move this forward.
Aka
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Aka
well, lately i see a lot of people trying hard to find anything like 1365x768 bg or 2ms delay, calling it a very important issue and proudly click that popped bubble icon, lol.
for some reason i thought you're going like that as well, my apologies. the snapping is very important nevertheless, indeed
and yes, i did talk to grumd eventually. the 1/16 were fine, just 1/6 would be more logical in music terms
Leader
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Leader
Okay, this should be ready now
Natsu
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Natsu
#1
Nyukai
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Nyukai
Okay, I saw your pm and seems ready after so many pops, let me some minutes to check the map (yeah rip)

EDIT: Did some changes so here goes #1 rebubble.

IRC
11:40 Inyuschan: c:
11:41 Leader: !
11:42 Inyuschan: well I guess I'll try to map 2015 in 10 minutes next year x'D
11:46 Inyuschan: 00:20:276 (1,3) - swap NC maybe? :o
11:46 Inyuschan: this part has a NC when starts a new vocal so o3o
11:46 Inyuschan: 00:27:776 (4,1) - it's like here x'D
11:47 Leader: oh ok
11:48 Inyuschan: 00:29:182 (3) - Ctrl+G for a better flow? o.o
11:49 Leader: nah it flows better like that for me zz
11:49 Inyuschan: xwx
11:49 Inyuschan: okay
11:50 Inyuschan: 01:42:541 (1) - why this sudden/not fitting NC o3o
11:52 Leader: ahhh forgot to fix..
11:53 Leader: 00:21:213 (2) - also made this a 1/2 slider w/ repeat because mmm fits better
11:54 Inyuschan: okay xD
11:55 Inyuschan: 04:27:307 - missing note here? this part sounds weird for me
11:55 Inyuschan: (maybe I'm wrong because I'm using a laptop atm ww)
11:56 Leader: following melody so i skipped some downbeat but that's ok i guess
11:56 Leader: ;_;
11:56 Inyuschan: np should be fine I think, up to you w
11:57 Inyuschan: just one thing, I don't have aiBAT/that-program-to-check-unused-hitsounds at this moment
11:58 Inyuschan: since I'm not at home
11:58 Inyuschan: so, I just hope there's nothing unrankeable
11:58 Inyuschan: like unused hitsound or unsnapped slider
11:58 Leader: no hs and we checked snaps like
11:58 Leader: 10 times
11:59 Inyuschan: okay
11:59 Inyuschan: xD
11:59 Inyuschan: so, how does this new system works
12:00 Inyuschan: you update and Natsu gives first rebubble?
12:00 Inyuschan: or I can bubble 2 directly
12:00 Leader: you should bubble #1 since we fixed something
12:00 Leader: natsu will bubble 2
12:01 Leader: and aka ranks
12:01 Inyuschan: ah nice
12:01 Inyuschan: :3
12:01 Leader: we all are here so
12:01 Leader: tell me when I can update
12:01 Inyuschan: yeah yeah
12:02 Inyuschan: I'm on minute 7 xD
12:02 Inyuschan: 07:13:245 (5) - NC here instead? o.o
12:03 Leader: there's a sound that makes me put
12:03 Leader: nc on stream
12:04 Inyuschan: hm
12:04 Inyuschan: okay
12:04 Leader: that goes every 1/2 at the beginning
12:04 Inyuschan: 07:16:995 (1) - when non symmetrical mappers make symmetry better than me
12:05 Leader: I'M KRISOM
12:05 Inyuschan: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
12:07 Inyuschan: well
12:07 Inyuschan: that's all for me, I'll do savelog
Natsu
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Natsu
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Aka
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Aka
hi
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
yisss
Ayu
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Ayu

Secretpipe wrote:

yisss
Arphimigon
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Arphimigon

Secretpipe wrote:

yisss
meii18
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meii18
yay \:D/
Aleks719
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thank for the handling this year, hope i'll have enough time in the next
Geniance
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Geniance
00:21:213 (2) - Is this allowed to be this far off the grid?

Natsu
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Natsu

Proniance wrote:

00:21:213 (2) - Is this allowed to be this far off the grid?

Is allowed, since isn't offscreen, you can test even at the smaller osu! resolution:

Geniance
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Geniance

Natsu wrote:

Proniance wrote:

00:21:213 (2) - Is this allowed to be this far off the grid?

Is allowed, since isn't offscreen, you can test even at the smaller osu! resolution:

Ah, ok. thanks for clarifying ^ . ^
Mortem
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Mortem
Gratz~.
riffy
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riffy
Hello!

We have found some potential issues that we feel are important enough to address before continuing:

Marathon

Snapping Issues

  • There are a few snapping issues present in the difficulty. It sounds rather confusing and does not represent the song properly, so it should be re-checked properly.
  1. 03:41:370 (1,2,3,4,5) - and yeah, 1/6 should be there
  2. 03:49:221 (2) - Same applies here
  3. 01:18:752 (6) - 01:19:495 (3) and 01:21:838 (4) - 1/6, too
  4. 03:40:315 (3) - 1/6
  5. 06:22:073 (4) - and 06:25:823 (4) - should be 1/6
  6. 07:52:151 (4) - it would be more natural to snap the tail to 07:52:385 - where the stronger beat is

If you disagree with these suggestions, please reply to this thread justifying why so we can discuss alternatives.

Otherwise, please reply to this thread when these issues are resolved.

Thanks for working with us towards higher quality beatmaps, we hope to see your beatmap ranked soon!

###A
riffy
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riffy
Additional things I would really love to be changed.

[Marathon]
  1. 00:21:213 (2) - minor - as it gets really close to being offscreen a minor fix wouldn't hurt. :)
  2. 03:19:807 (3,1) - minor - slight unstacking for readability purposes would be an awesome idea.
That's pretty much it to me. Hope we will come to a consensus and work towards improving quality of the set.
Nyukai
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Nyukai
God damn, every map I give icon gets disqualified.

(Anyways feel free to call me if you need me for rebubble or something lol)
Natsu
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Natsu
aw did miss those T-T, pretty much agree with everything that bakari say, call me once you done with checking it.
Leader
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Thank you, I'm going to fix what you pointed out except 01:16:995 - since I'm not sure about the snapping in the whole part, looks like 1/4 for me. A third/fourth opinion is probably needed.

EDIT: Charles agreed, they're 1/4 as what you are complaining is just a delayed sound, the main melody is 1/4
Natsu
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Natsu
before rebubbling this, take a look a few more suggestions at 03:39:495 - kiai

  1. 03:40:354 - about this slider I think your current rhythm its a bit weird, mainly because you did extend the slider and u did ignore 03:40:432 - by doing that, well that can be ok, but then you mapped similar sections, 03:40:354 (3,4,5) - 03:44:104 (3,4,5,6) - in different way, I prefer 03:44:104 (3,4,5,6) -
  2. 03:40:979 - missing an object here, since you did map other similars, but this happen because of the above ^
  3. 03:46:526 (5) - 1/2 is maybe better
  4. 03:52:151 (5) - shouldn't be this 1/6 too??
so lets wait for Aka and Inyus feedback first as well, so we can move this without bubble, rebubble etc etc. xD
Leader
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Natsu

Natsu wrote:

before rebubbling this, take a look a few more suggestions at 03:39:495 - kiai

  1. 03:40:354 - about this slider I think your current rhythm its a bit weird, mainly because you did extend the slider and u did ignore 03:40:432 - by doing that, well that can be ok, but then you mapped similar sections, 03:40:354 (3,4,5) - 03:44:104 (3,4,5,6) - in different way, I prefer 03:44:104 (3,4,5,6) - Idk, it feels fine for me but let's wait for Aka and Inyus's opinion
  2. 03:40:979 - missing an object here, since you did map other similars, but this happen because of the above ^
  3. 03:46:526 (5) - 1/2 is maybe better
  4. 03:52:151 (5) - shouldn't be this 1/6 too??
so lets wait for Aka and Inyus feedback first as well, so we can move this without bubble, rebubble etc etc. xD

Yeah, better wait
Aka
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Aka

Natsu wrote:

  1. 03:40:354 - about this slider I think your current rhythm its a bit weird
gonna agree there, since the sound and the slider's end is way louder and stronger here, it indeed brings an sorta uncomfortable feeling while playing

Natsu wrote:

  1. 03:52:151 (5) - shouldn't be this 1/6 too??
it plays very awkward, the simpler the better. the rhythm leader had eventually was way better than what is there now

03:40:979 - what does it stand for? there are three sounds: 03:40:901 - 03:41:057 - 03:41:135 - , nothing there 03:40:979 - . the way how it was during qualified state was way better and more comfortable to play

i dont agree with 1,2 and 4 point in the dq post, it ruins playability a lot


by the way, the rule about ~rebubbling after ever minor change~ does not actually exist, said by loctav a few days ago. someone might have misundertood him as it was open for discussion but not an actual rule change, since if would be announced to everyone in more noticeable way
Natsu
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Natsu

Aka wrote:

Natsu wrote:

  1. 03:40:354 - about this slider I think your current rhythm its a bit weird
gonna agree there, since the sound and the slider's end is way louder and stronger here, it indeed brings an sorta uncomfortable feeling while playing

Natsu wrote:

  1. 03:52:151 (5) - shouldn't be this 1/6 too??
it plays very awkward, the simpler the better. the rhythm leader had eventually was way better than what is there now but 1/6 is the correct snap, refer to my comment down to see other similar parts mapped as 1/6, why this one will be different being the same in the song

03:40:979 - what does it stand for? there are three sounds: 03:40:901 - 03:41:057 - 03:41:135 - , nothing there 03:40:979 - . the way how it was during qualified state was way better and more comfortable to play ya, but he is mapping similar parts like that 03:44:651 (5,6) - 03:48:401 (6,7) - 03:52:151 (5,6) - there are just 3 sounds as well, maybe he should change this to 2 sliders as well? or fix the rhythm to 1 circle and slider that will play really bad, idk I prefer to have this mapped in similar way

i dont agree with 1,2 and 4 point in the dq post, it ruins playability a lot


by the way, the rule about ~rebubbling after ever minor change~ does not actually exist, said by loctav a few days ago. someone might have misundertood him as it was open for discussion but not an actual rule change, since if would be announced to everyone in more noticeable way well check the link to BN rules again there is that rule lol, if you lazy: http://puu.sh/jTYAM/a5def24cea.png
anyways lets see what Inyus think about this I did asked Bakari aswell
riffy
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riffy

Aka wrote:

Natsu wrote:

  1. 03:40:354 - about this slider I think your current rhythm its a bit weird
gonna agree there, since the sound and the slider's end is way louder and stronger here, it indeed brings an sorta uncomfortable feeling while playing 03:40:354 - probably will work well as a short 1/6 slider started here

Natsu wrote:

  1. 03:52:151 (5) - shouldn't be this 1/6 too??
it plays very awkward, the simpler the better. the rhythm leader had eventually was way better than what is there now how about a pattern like this?

03:40:979 - what does it stand for? there are three sounds: 03:40:901 - 03:41:057 - 03:41:135 - , nothing there 03:40:979 - . true that, the way how it was during qualified state was way better and more comfortable to play

i dont agree with 1,2 and 4 point in the dq post, it ruins playability a lot we should focus on snapping at that very moment, once we make sure everything's correct in terms of snapping we can consider how to make the correct snapping more playable.
Aka
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Aka
i am not willing to continue debates here anymore, feel free to get another bn/bakari here, thanks

Natsu wrote:

well check the link to BN rules again there is that rule lol, if you lazy: http://puu.sh/jTYAM/a5def24cea.png
this page is wip, ask him directly if you dont believe
riffy
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riffy
I am starting to enjoy discussions like this one, so yeah, I can back you guys up and give it a shot.

Still waiting for Inyus' opinion, though.
Nyukai
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Nyukai
I'll check as soon as possible, kinda busy today but I'll try to be here :3
Leader
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I'll be able to check it tomorrow, sorry for any kind of delay!
Nyukai
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Nyukai

Natsu wrote:

before rebubbling this, take a look a few more suggestions at 03:39:495 - kiai

  1. 03:40:354 - about this slider I think your current rhythm its a bit weird, mainly because you did extend the slider and u did ignore 03:40:432 - by doing that, well that can be ok, but then you mapped similar sections, 03:40:354 (3,4,5) - 03:44:104 (3,4,5,6) - in different way, I prefer 03:44:104 (3,4,5,6) -
Gotta agree here, probably because this slider 03:40:979 (5) - sounds weird for me as long as it doesn't start in a white tick/louder sound while these ones 03:44:651 (5,6) - fit better imo. So I'll probably map it like the second pattern.

Natsu wrote:

03:52:151 (5) - shouldn't be this 1/6 too??
Aka says it plays awkward, and probably is right with the simpler the better but currently sounds fine imo, as long as it's the same rhythm, it's the correct snap just like Natsu said.

Aka wrote:

03:40:979 - what does it stand for? there are three sounds: 03:40:901 - 03:41:057 - 03:41:135 - , nothing there 03:40:979 - . the way how it was during qualified state was way better and more comfortable to play

i dont agree with 1,2 and 4 point in the dq post, it ruins playability a lot
Well, I have to agree with those points after all. I should have checked snapping better, but I wasn't at home also using a laptop is kinda weird for me x.x so I didn't know about those rhythms. But those 1/6 sliders are fine at least for me.

Bakari wrote:

00:21:213 (2) - minor - as it gets really close to being offscreen a minor fix wouldn't hurt. :)
03:19:807 (3,1) - minor - slight unstacking for readability purposes would be an awesome idea.
Was first point fixed? Because I'd probably agree: http://puu.sh/jWgpY/710582a75d.jpg maybe moving tail a bit down? Just in case it wasn't fixed lol.

Finally, I wanted to drop something: a NC should be added here for consistency I think. 03:19:807 (3) - it's the same as 03:16:057 (1) - and you did it there.

Please, if I miss something, tell me, I've been busy these days ;_;
Leader
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I fixed the inconsistent part in 03:40:979 -, and going to keep the 1/6 sliders as it's what fits best with the new snapping, everything should be fixed (nc and almost offscreen slider too)
Nyukai
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Nyukai
Sorry for the delay, good luck this time.

Rebubbled #1~
alacat
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alacat
yo Leader :)


[General]
  1. Please delete .OSB file!
[Marathon]
  1. 00:27:190 (3,4,5,1) - I prefer to make a triangle shape same as your previous part at here 00:20:276 (3,4,1) - It looks better to me.
  2. 00:48:635 (1,2,3) - When i was playing, i feel it's a little far on this 1/4 jumps. Please try to reduce it like this
    SPOILER
  3. 00:57:541 (6,7,8,1) - Same as here 00:27:190 (3,4,5,1) -
  4. 02:17:463 (1) - The new combo isn't necessary in my opinion because it doesn't work for something. well, anything will be fine.
  5. 03:54:026 - ~ 03:54:377 - How about using repeat slider for taking 1/4 sounds ? because you took 1/4 sounds on 03:53:088 (5) - . It would be better for playing.
  6. 06:10:432 (2) - Please add a new combo for difference rhythm from 06:09:495 (1) -
Great, call me back for #2 bubble :)
Leader
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Fixed everything apart NCs, first one doesn't ruin the pattern and the second one will play weird, talking about looks. Also, the rhythm is quite noticeable even without NCs.

Thank you, though!
Natsu
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Natsu
ah ok pm for flame then
alacat
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alacat
ok! #2
Natsu
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Natsu
GL, really nice map
Mao
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Mao
Grats!
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