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The Mafia Tree - Game Over

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Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.28

Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Drezi, Zexion
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (3) - Ace Timing, Frostings, Haneii

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Navizel
I have no idea about the setup other than what's been given in this thread so far.
Navizel
Is it opportunistic because of sLaiNi? If that's the case then no.
Raging Bull
I didnt even mention navi is scum... hes even null town to me...
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

Why did you point this out?
Frostings

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also just gonna say here, this wasn't Jess that voted, and in fact, I'm pretty sure this vote is from RVS and because of how inactive fartownik was, the vote never changed.
Oh, that's a good point. Jess' vote is literally still an RVS one.
......
Jess if you have the chance, can you vote who you think is scummiest? But don't vote anyone who is at L-1

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

So Frostings, can we have your #1 and #2 scumreads? You kinda hinted at them during your comments earlier on but they were based purely on VCA, I think, and I doubt your whole reads are based on that.
Honestly, I don't even know right now. I haven't really paid much attention to scumhunting so far. SlaiNi makes a really good argument against Amianki, though Zexion does have a point regarding Amianki's 'usual' town play (though it's also his usual scumplay as well)

I think Amianki lynch D1 is bad (though I wouldn't be surprised at a scumflip). I also think MB lynch is bad (this one I would be surprised if he flips scum).
I'm not sure who I would suggest otherwise for today's lynch though
Haneii
This is based on current votes and players top 2 scum reads (if you haven't yet, choose your number #2 to lynch)



Frostings (3) - Magic bomb, Raging bull, amianki
Magic bomb (3) - Raging bull, zexion, Drezi
Raging bull (2) - Jess, Haneii
Amianki (2) - slaini, Navizel
Haneii (2) - Frostings, setsuen
Setsuen (2) - Frostings, Haneii
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Drezi (1) - Magic bomb
Pieguy1372 (1) - frostings
Ace timing (1) - Drezi


Doesn't change much, but several of you haven't given out their 2nd highest scum read.
Haneii
Does frostings have any finished scum games on this forum?
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

This is based on current votes and players top 2 scum reads (if you haven't yet, choose your number #2 to lynch)



Frostings (3) - Magic bomb, Raging bull, amianki
Magic bomb (3) - Raging bull, zexion, Drezi
Raging bull (2) - Jess, Haneii
Amianki (2) - slaini, Navizel
Haneii (2) - Frostings, setsuen
Setsuen (2) - Frostings, Haneii
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Drezi (1) - Magic bomb
Pieguy1372 (1) - frostings
Ace timing (1) - Drezi


Doesn't change much, but several of you haven't given out their 2nd highest scum read.
Frostings is on there 3 times, just saying. (Also remove Jess from RB, seeing as that was RVS by fartownik).
Haneii

Haneii wrote:

Frostings (3) - Magic bomb, Raging bull, amianki
Magic bomb (3) - Raging bull, zexion, Drezi
Amianki (3) - slaini, Navizel Forgot to note slaini's double vote if he were to vote ami
Raging bull (2) - Jess, Haneii
Haneii (2) - Frostings, setsuen
Setsuen (2) - Frostings, Haneii
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Drezi (1) - Magic bomb
Pieguy1372 (1) - frostings
Ace timing (1) - Drezi
MBomb
Oh also add slaini's doublevote
MBomb
Oh, got sniped
Haneii
frostings vote is pretty messed up. I realize that he has two versions of his scum list and isn't sure of either of them..
He comes up 3 times because setsuen and I tie for 2nd in one of his reads.

Jess stays because it's from the official vote count.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

frostings vote is pretty messed up. I realize that he has two versions of his scum list and isn't sure of either of them..
He comes up 3 times because setsuen and I tie for 2nd in one of his reads.

Jess stays because it's from the official vote count.
Ah right kk that's fair enough. I'm gonna be going to sleep now, but Jess especially, can we hear your reads, I'm really interested to see what you think considering you haven't really said much (Mostly due to only just having replaced in).
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

Why did you point this out?
Because it does seem like he is hiding something. Whats your opinion on it
Navizel
but I'm not hiding anything at all~
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Why did you point this out?
Because it does seem like he is hiding something. Whats your opinion on it
I don't have one, but I do wonder why you have an opinion on it. Why does it matter to you if he's hiding something (what do you think he's hiding btw?). And again, why did you point it out to everyone else?
-[Jess]-
unvote

I am tried to read all the 1v1 and walls orz
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

I don't have one, but I do wonder why you have an opinion on it. Why does it matter to you if he's hiding something (what do you think he's hiding btw?). And again, why did you point it out to everyone else?

While catching up, it struck me as odd as I felt he might know something about what he might be able to do for the treehouses. (Like moving into dead one or switching.) Sharing that information would be nice to know if there is inconsistency with hearing noises. But you are right with the last part.
Setsuen

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.
Hahaha. No I won't be lynched even if role cop checks me.

so basically Zexion is like a parrot now. pie stated that Haneii and I are town and he repeated it by saying it wash his opinion and now Navizel plays feels opportunistic bc of what Amianki said.

Unvote

as of this point Frosting is suspicious but Zexion gives off a bad vibe with his very VERY neutral posts.
Setsuen
Also town should take note of other town who basically town read me and then try to avoid me as much as possible. Scum pulled that off in that cruel Madoka game.
Navizel
So if there's a role cop, why would people want a Setsuen lynch when Millers can only be town? what?
Raging Bull
Actually i thought it was said navizel lynch was optimistc, not his posts
Raging Bull
Opportunistic
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.29

Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Drezi, Zexion
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (5) - Ace Timing, Frostings, Haneii, -[Jess]-, Setsuen

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Raging Bull
Hey guys no rush, deadline is in a month according to the topic title. September 20.

Im willing to compromise if we cant agree on lynching someone.

@CB no one is voting for navizel besides pie, so im not sure why it seems opportunistic. There is no momentum or anything.
Drezi

-[Jess]- wrote:

unvote

I am tried to read all the 1v1 and walls orz
so why do you join games if all you do then is NOT play?

in your other game you say you enjoy people wanting to PL you, well THANK YOU we are enjoying having a useless slot in our games so much aswell.... NOT


also it's giving me a bad feeling the way Zexion just joined the MB wagon, mentioning that one quote to be very scummy (what about all the other things I pointed out?), and then apparently being totally unconvinced at the same time...
-[Jess]-

Drezi wrote:

so why do you join games if all you do then is NOT play?

in your other game you say you enjoy people wanting to PL you, well THANK YOU we are enjoying having a useless slot in our games so much aswell.... NOT
okok

post read later
MBomb

-[Jess]- wrote:

Drezi wrote:

so why do you join games if all you do then is NOT play?

in your other game you say you enjoy people wanting to PL you, well THANK YOU we are enjoying having a useless slot in our games so much aswell.... NOT
okok

post read later
Better hurry up then, deadline is in just over 12 hours.
MBomb
Also, anyone who still hasn't given their top 2 scumreads, please do. We need to come to some kind of decision, and the way we're going now, we're not coming to any kind of agreement.
Haneii
Need to go to work in a couple hours and I might not be able to return before the deadline.

I'm town and null reading the top 3 wagons. Thing is, I do not want the day to end in a no lynch.

I'll vote for frostings soon. Out of the 3, he has the least town points in my read (however, that's mainly because he doesn't know what to do majority of the time. I don't like how people are voting for him because he's not doing much for town, but I'll join in lynching him if it takes away the distraction from actual scum hunting and gives a lynch for D1.

In the meantime I'll have some breakfast and wait for Jess to reply.
-[Jess]-
Read,and don't ask me to explain.I am bad on explaining
Null-scum
Drezi
Frostings
Null
the rest

Null-town
Setsuen
Haneii
Can you place your vote please, Jess?
-[Jess]-
vote:Drezi
Haneii
Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
-[Jess]-

Haneii wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
MBomb
I'll take my vote off for a bit, considering I'll be here at the deadline so if needed I can hammer, whilst leaving as much time open for discussion as possible.

Unvote
Haneii
I'll be off now.

One more person should add their vote to frostings and another person should post their intent to hammer. I suggest you guys get a role claim well before the deadline. Do not leave this until the last couple of hours and rush it.



Vote: frostings
Setsuen
Ok. Now lets randomly switch our wagon to Zexion bc apparently some of us do find him suspicious.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

I'll be off now.

One more person should add their vote to frostings and another person should post their intent to hammer. I suggest you guys get a role claim well before the deadline. Do not leave this until the last couple of hours and rush it.
Also I get the feeling we don't have much choice, idk if Frostings will check any time soon or whether it won't be until a few hours before deadline.
MBomb
idk why i said also but yeah
Raging Bull

-[Jess]- wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
god this sheep.

@ Setsuen, what do you have on Zexion besides very neutralposts?
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
god this sheep.

@ Setsuen, what do you have on Zexion besides very neutralposts?
Tbh, this isn't sheeping, this is just Jess, as annoying as it sounds, this is normal play for her.
MBomb
Wait, I messed up, forget the "this isn't sheeping part", I just meant that this is how Jess normally plays, at least how it seems to me.
MBomb
oh also I messed up and put my second " too late rip
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

[@ Setsuen, what do you have on Zexion besides very neutralposts?
Basically he pulled off what Sakura did in that stupid Madoka game where I neighbourised scum bc I trusted her. That and I already said that he is basically copying other people post now z.z pieguy reads on me and Haneii? Zexion said the same thing. Amianki's opportunistic? yep he repeated it.

that and Zexion is like Frosting. "Lets care about lurkers but decide not to prod anyone and if they still lurk we lynch them......... much much later".
Drezi

Raging Bull wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
god this sheep.
?? This isn't even a sheep, she listed me and Frostings as null-scum and switched to the other one when Haneii told her it's more useful now. But you shouldn't expect much in the first place anyway.
Amianki
Vote: Frostings

I'm getting weird vibes from Raging Bull, but can't pinpoint anything specific.
MBomb
We're at L-2 right? (Not putting my vote back on until he gets back and roleclaims).
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.30

Frostings (4) - Raging Bull, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Amianki [L-3]
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Drezi, Zexion
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Frostings, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Please let me know if there are any mistakes, as i just woke up
Drezi
I thought it's L-2 at first too, but Amianki had been left on Frostings in the previous votecounts, but he had been voting Navi.

Frostings should claim either way.
Frostings

Drezi wrote:

Frostings should claim either way.
no I can still stop this mislynch
give me a moment
Frostings

-[Jess]- wrote:

Read,and don't ask me to explain.I am bad on explaining
Null-scum
Drezi
Frostings
Wanna at least try, or can't be bothered? How are we expected to work with anything you say? Or is there no backbone to any of your posts?

Setsuen wrote:

as of this point Frosting is suspicious but Zexion gives off a bad vibe with his very VERY neutral posts.
so why am I suddenly so suspicious to you?
Just looks like a desperate soft-push, now that we're near the DL

Setsuen wrote:

that and Zexion is like Frosting. "Lets care about lurkers but decide not to prod anyone and if they still lurk we lynch them......... much much later"
Oh, here it is. Yeah, "much much later", I totally said that :roll:
Lynching someone because of inactivity Day1 should be a last resort imo, since it doesn't give us any informative results

Frostings wrote:

If they continue to lurk, we just lynch them day2 for free scumflips
Day2 = much much later apparently

Amianki wrote:

I'm getting weird vibes from Raging Bull, but can't pinpoint anything specific.
Yeah! I think I'm starting to scumread Raging Bull too! I remember he said something extremely vague that I can't seem to recall at the start of the day, so I want to stick with whatever that was. I don't want to have to bother explaining myself, because this is what I do every game, but trust me guys, I'm scumhunting too!
Frostings
What I'm trying to say is, a lot of whatever is being used to get a mislynch on me today is complete rubbish :roll:

Also I just saw this:

Haneii wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
uhhhhh
If this doesn't tell you guys that the VC is being manipulated, I don't know what will
Setsuen
Vote:Zexion


Change to this. End of story.
Navizel
wut
Setsuen

Frostings wrote:

Just looks like a desperate soft-push, now that we're near the DL

Oh, here it is. Yeah, "much much later", I totally said that :roll:
Lynching someone because of inactivity Day1 should be a last resort imo, since it doesn't give us any informative results
You were generally null bc your post did not give off any bad vibe. But MB has nicely pointed that that you had done literally nothing about the lurkers. You asked for no prod or anything to boost activity. NOTHING. You were fine with how inactive D1 was going to last.

You say that but I have lynched Navizel for posting lurkfest post before and it certainly helped me win.
Setsuen

Navizel wrote:

wut
I found Zexion to be more scummy than Frosting. End of story.
Drezi
well shit, I don't think forcing through that Frostings lynch would do much good with most votes being almost completely unexplained or only because "we need a lynch"..

I thought we might be able to read Jess here based on noises etc. at least but she's gonna be useless anyway and might aswell just get her to claim and decide to PL depending on the claim, rather than a No Lynch... I'm not really seeing a legit wagon happening at this point.
Zexion
Lol Setsuen.

*Sigh*, My previous post did not meant to parrot anyone. I don't even remember reading pie's reads while making that, and I also added something to Amianki's contribution. Your reason to scumread me are vague at best Setsuen, but I think you're just being mislead by your ego. You did townread me a while ago so that couldn't mean all my posts are "so neutral" as you claim.

I've also been discconected from this game from a while ago because the insane ammounts of walls and posts before and RL has been keeping me busy from overanalyizing everything, that's why you might have thought I was "parroting".

@Drezi: I am voting MB because I have to decide for a lynch, yeah, I'm not 100% sure but I still think we have to lynch today, so obviously I have to put my vote somewhere. What's the problem with me voting MB if he only had a vote before? You make it seem like if I was pushing for a quick lynch even tho that's pretty far away.

And also if it is for that, notice how Haneii also votes for Frostings without being that sure either (i.e. that "least townpoints on my list"), so maybe you're tunneling a bit here.
Drezi
No, Haneii clearly said that it's only because we need a lynch today, you quoted MB and said that you think it's desperately grasping at straws or something, but then proceeded to say that you need to keep an eye on me depending on the flip as if you were expecting a town flip despite having just said that you think he's scummy. Also if you think my reasons are shit for voting him, I should be suspicious to you NOW aswell, if you don't think that, the flip shouldn't really matter in that regard.
Drezi

Zexion wrote:

notice how Haneii also votes for Frostings without being that sure either, so maybe you're tunneling a bit here.
if I'm tunneling someone it's Magic Bomb not you lol, I really don't like how you're making excuses and the out of place cautious tone (why?) here.
Navizel

Drezi wrote:

well shit, I don't think forcing through that Frostings lynch would do much good with most votes being almost completely unexplained or only because "we need a lynch"..

I thought we might be able to read Jess here based on noises etc. at least but she's gonna be useless anyway and might aswell just get her to claim and decide to PL depending on the claim, rather than a No Lynch... I'm not really seeing a legit wagon happening at this point.
hmm. Isn't that the same as voting because we need a lynch
Drezi
Jess is utterly useless and it's a pain to get anything out of her, that's the difference.

Vote: Zexion

I'm feeling better about this now, anyway.
Topic Starter
Sakura
A little less than 5 hours until deadline
Navizel
*sees positions*
>Jess
>Frostings
>Drezi

well, sounds convenient
Drezi
prod pie please
Drezi
are you seriously questioning the legitimacy of a Jess PL?
Drezi
she shouldn't have been allowed to play in the first place.
Frostings
Vote: Setsuen
Navizel
The question is why would I not question something suspicious to me
Navizel
You want a Jess PL but you're not even voting her.
Navizel
Time might be a factor but everyone seems to be shifting their votes somewhere else not Frostings so
Drezi
Are you even trying to understand the things I'm saying? I think it should be pretty clear..
MBomb
By the looks of things, nothing will happen anyway before this, but I get home in about 2 and a half hours. DO NOT LYNCH ANYONE BEFORE I GET BACK. (If I end up not posting in 3 hours then do what you've gotta do I guess, but I'd really prefer for a lynch of anyone, no matter who, to wait).
Topic Starter
Sakura

Drezi wrote:

prod pie please
pieguy1372 has been prodded!

Vote Count 1.31

Frostings (4) - Raging Bull, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Amianki [L-3]
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
Zexion (2) - Setsuen, Drezi
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Zexion
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Setsuen (1) - Frostings


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, - Magic Bomb -

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Please let me know if there's any mistakes.
Drezi
I'd rather have Jess goddamn lynched off at least, than go No Lynch, but I'm finding Zexion more and more scummy so I'm voting him. I'll be around the deadline and can vote Jess any time if we want to PL.
Zexion

Drezi wrote:

Zexion wrote:

notice how Haneii also votes for Frostings without being that sure either, so maybe you're tunneling a bit here.
if I'm tunneling someone it's Magic Bomb not you lol, I really don't like how you're making excuses and the out of place cautious tone (why?) here.
Because I don't see that much of a difference between me an Haneii's reasons, and yet you only accused me at that point.

Are you seriously voting me just because I can't pay 100% attention to the game atm? Is your reason for finding me scummy the post where I joined a MB wagon?
Drezi
prod Ace Timing too

And just a general rant @scum: I have ZERO respect for your play if it consists of not doing shit whole game, regardless of who ends up winning...
Amianki
...Why are we voting Zexion again?
Amianki
Zexion's responses to the sudden wagon on him is pretty town. That wagon needs to stop existing asap.
Topic Starter
Sakura

Drezi wrote:

prod Ace Timing too
Ace Timing has been prodded!
Ace Timing
mfw middle of algebra
sLaiNi
We wouldn't get anything out of lynching Jess, lol
Drezi
yes we would, lol
Ace Timing
If you lynch jess and she flips scum, the probability of setsuen being scum skyrockets. Jess always townreads her scumpals in her reads lists, or puts them in null town, its not conf scum, but the chances still increase.
Drezi
Ace you gonna vote perhaps or something?

Also what's with that Setsuen vote Frostings?......
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

If you lynch jess and she flips scum, the probability of setsuen being scum skyrockets. Jess always townreads her scumpals in her reads lists, or puts them in null town, its not conf scum, but the chances still increase.
I'd say this is untrue simply because of the fact that in the Hoenn game, she put Frostings in her null-town list and only Frostings, and he was town that game.
MBomb
Also I'm back and no progress seems to have been made. Decision time. Everyone who's here right now, say your two top people out of either of the 4 possible cases right now (Me, Frostings, Zexion, or Jess, I don't see any other lynch happening right now). If you're one of those 4 people, only say one, just because that makes more sense.
MBomb
Oh also, if you are definitely sure there's only one (or even none) of those people you want to get lynched, only vote one (Either that, or I expect a wall about why we should vote a specific person).
MBomb
With only 2 hours until deadline, we basically have to make a compromise at this stage, no other option.
Topic Starter
Sakura
2 hours remaining!
Vote Count 1.32

Frostings (4) - Raging Bull, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Amianki [L-3]
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
Zexion (2) - Setsuen, Drezi
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Zexion
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Setsuen (1) - Frostings


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, - Magic Bomb -

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Drezi
It's either Frostings or Jess, I don't see anything else happening in 2 hours and even Jess is a strech.
Drezi
Frostings I'll be voting you unless suddenly people show up and agree to PL Jess so better claim.
Navizel
fuck this

whatever happens happens

Vote: Frostings
Raging Bull

Amianki wrote:

I'm getting weird vibes from Raging Bull, but can't pinpoint anything specific.
Mind explaining?

I suppose my reason for voting frosting may be a weak one, but its better than voting just to avoid an ML. I think somewhere frosting was also contradicting himself on his read with mb.
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

Frostings I'll be voting you unless suddenly people show up and agree to PL Jess so better claim.
This, it's L-2, and I'll probably vote you once we're closer to the deadline (I want as much time for information as possible), so you might as well just claim your role now.

Also, note to Drezi, don't place your vote for another like 30 minutes at least. You've said already you'll be around at deadline so it's fine to wait a bit longer, and I don't want a quickhammer, even an hour of discussion is still time for said discussion.
Frostings
isn't the DL literally right now? Or is there one hour left?
Anyways, reads:

suspicious
Setsuen, Amianki, pieguy
closer look into Zexion Day2, because of some things he said Day1 I'm gonna try to find it right now incase we have 1 hour left

still not claiming :roll:
Topic Starter
Sakura
1 hour remaining! If no hammer is reached within 60 minutes day will end with No Lynch.
Vote Count 1.33

Frostings (5) - Raging Bull, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Amianki, Navizel [L-2]
Amianki (2) - sLaiNi
Zexion (2) - Setsuen, Drezi
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Zexion
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Setsuen (1) - Frostings


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, - Magic Bomb -

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Drezi
There's no way that you can or should deny claiming at this point.
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