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Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
@Haneii, im sure I mentioned I dont like it usually when people rereads post and posts their thoughts when they replace. We just bring up topics that were talked about already.... As for frosting, his post seems to be trying to be helpful by telling us we need to pressure people, yet does nothing to try and convince people to vote his scum read without a good reason besides meta.


@frosting, you said scum spread their votes around, but your two scum reads were both voting for you. So how is that spread around? If you think mb is no longer scum, why dont you vote next read? Also you didnt answer my question. Who do you think is scum as you mentioned scum intentionally spread their votes around.

As for my top 2, frosting and mb. I forgot what im had on mb though (after I slept)
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

my top 2 are still Frostings and Drezi.
Remind me of your case against me?

Either way it seems kind of strange that when I asked you that last time, you proceeded to backpedal at first

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Drezi wrote:

if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched, because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).
I'm honestly getting the feeling I was reading this game wrong, though I assume to people scumreading me already that'll probably just seem like an attempt to "get out of suspicion".

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking. I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.
Despite your reads apparently still being the same, other than Setsuen moving to null...
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
My two top scum read would go with Amianki. I'm not sure enough about the second one to just open them for lynching.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Amianki wrote:

He's not the one voting me entirely because I made a comment about my own meta that doesn't even apply to this game.
It's just that his reason (lurkervote) seemed weak aswell.

I don't really get Navi's reason much at all though, Navi can you elaborate?

sLaiNi you too, if you got more to add, you seem pretty serious, and you only mentioned him being a lurker and not having contributed.
MBomb
MBomb
To me, you're still the scummiest two, Frostings for reasons I've stated to many times to count, and you because of quite a few reasons, your reactions to Setsuen saying you were avoiding the topic of Haneii (I'm townreading Haneii, but the fact you were avoiding the topic maybe shows you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you?). Your comment about Zexion not voting and then when I ask why you don't question Ace voting you base it on a post which wasn't really serious (At least, it didn't seem it to me).

Your wariness of lynching Setsuen also seems suspicious to me, multiple posts from you saying "We're not lynching Setsuen, so just move on" to Haneii, and stuff to that effect. Whilst I'll admit that Setsuen is a very unlikely lynch for today, getting information on anyone is helpful, so if they're pressuring someone to get some information which could be beneficial to town, I don't see why they should stop. However I do agree Haneii should move their vote.

Again, your massive overreaction to someone confirming with "ayy lmao" is just concerning af, especially considering that it clearly meant nothing and you were really just grasping there.

You trying to point out contradictions that weren't contradicitions about my read on Setsuen (Believe it or not, someone's opinion can change), seemed again like you were grasping.

The fact how you automatically assumed that I thought you were scum just because you voted me even though I'd voiced suspicions about you earlier in the game makes it seem like you're not paying full attention, which seems strange if you are town, as surely you'd want to pick up on and comment on everything that was being said, especially if (as I'd assume from you voting me) you thought I was scum.

My other reasons for thinking you're scum have already been said by other people (Mostly in Pieguy's reason for scumreading you) so I'd rather not just repeat what other people say (Even though I've kinda already done that but yeah, more than I already have).
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.

Amianki wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.
Yeah, which means that a cop can't determine whether a Miller is true or not.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Ok?
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.
People. Answer this.
MBomb
MBomb
We have less than a day until deadline, we need to make a decision.
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting, you said scum spread their votes around, but your two scum reads were both voting for you. So how is that spread around? If you think mb is no longer scum, why dont you vote next read? Also you didnt answer my question. Who do you think is scum as you mentioned scum intentionally spread their votes around.
MB was never actually a scumread, I just voted him and wanted people to follow suit just to see how he would respond to pressure. Nobody bothered because I didn't push it at all, since I didn't really care too much about it at that point

Sakura wrote:

26 or so hours until deadline
Vote Count 1.26

Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Drezi
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (3) - Ace Timing, Zexion, Frostings

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
I can look at VCA two ways: the 1-vote-each pool {Drezi, Jess, Haneii, Setsuen, pieguy} and Not Voting pool {Ace T, Zexion, Myself}

1-vote-each pool:
  1. Drezi - There might have been two or three votes on MB previously, and whoever had votes on him removed it, so doesn't apply too much to Drezi right now
  2. Jess - Jess is ... Jess, her votes can almost be ignored for now, since they don't usually make sense
  3. Haneii + Setsuen - Either two towns arguing against each other (VERY counter-intuitive) or one of them is scum and purposely causing it. Doubt they're both scum, one scum is possible.
  4. pieguy - I don't really understand his vote on Navizel, Looking at VCA alone in this particular pool, his vote is probably the least town
Summary: pieguy > Haneii = Setsuen > Jess > Drezi
If I look at this pool as a wagon, then pieguy is scum along with one from either {Haneii Setsuen} and then one other person probably not in the pool

Not Voting pool:
Ace T and Zexion have unvoted quite a while ago and haven't done anything recently, I myself unvoted recently and plan on voting again soon.
If I look at this pool as a wagon, then Ace T and Zexion are scum along with one other person not in the pool. Though I think this is more unlikely than 1-vote-each
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings
^ this is highly based on VCA alone from my perspective that scum probably has the votes spread out on purpose
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

(I'm townreading Haneii, but the fact you were avoiding the topic maybe shows you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you?).
LOL, if I were scum everyone I push would flip town, except if I decided to bus my partners D1
and what's with this me avoiding Haneii bullshit seriously, I's getting on my nerves, it doesn't even make the slightest sense

Your comment about Zexion not voting and then when I ask why you don't question Ace voting you base it on a post which wasn't really serious (At least, it didn't seem it to me).
Yeah, damn so scum indicative, I couldn't possibly include Ace in my question if I wanted to regardless of my alignment...

Your wariness of lynching Setsuen also seems suspicious to me, multiple posts from you saying "We're not lynching Setsuen, so just move on"
However I do agree Haneii should move their vote. -> so your point makes zero sense and you answered it yourself for me, thank you.. anyway my WARINESS of lynching Setsuen lol, I simply think he's town, and so does the majority of the game, it's a fact.

Again, your massive overreaction to someone confirming with "ayy lmao" is just concerning af, especially considering that it clearly meant nothing and you were really just grasping there.
MY massive overreaction? I asked a simple question (who are you to decide if it CLEARLY meant nothing or not, I'm free to ask whatever the hell I think might help to some extent, we had all the time in the world) and certain people (the ones Ace had been scum with last game lol...) freaked out, how dare I do such a meaningless thing.

You trying to point out contradictions that weren't contradicitions about my read on Setsuen (Believe it or not, someone's opinion can change), seemed again like you were grasping.
Not contradictions, but an unnaturally swingy read progression which coincides with people suspecting you...

The fact how you automatically assumed that I thought you were scum just because you voted me even though I'd voiced suspicions about you earlier in the game makes it seem like you're not paying full attention.
Be my guest and quote yourself, I just checked again and you haven't said ANYTHING about suspecting me before I voted you...
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Seriously, how can I be the only one that thinks this is scum...
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).
Like seriously I've been pushing MB forever, and for some reason this logic doesn't apply to himself?
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

The fact how you automatically assumed that I thought you were scum just because you voted me even though I'd voiced suspicions about you earlier in the game makes it seem like you're not paying full attention.
Be my guest and quote yourself, I just checked again and you haven't said ANYTHING about suspecting me before I voted you...
I never directly said that I had suspicions on you, but it was implied when you accused Ace Timing, and even directly said:

Drezi wrote:

Yeah, lynch this.
And then I posted saying that I was townreading Ace Timing at this stage, and in my mind I thought you would know that this meant I had a null-scum read on you at the time, and in fact, when I posted:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

For the record, most of my reads are null because a lot of people have barely said anything, but I do have a few null-town, null-scum, and one scum read.
You were the main person I was referring to when I said "null-scum", as I actually stated in a later post. At this stage, you had voiced concerns for my wording at certain points, but never actually accused me of anything, so it's not like I suddenly started suspecting you just because you voted me, so stop trying to act like it is.
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).
Like seriously I've been pushing MB forever, and for some reason this logic doesn't apply to himself?
Because I'm not being townread, whereas Haneii is, and has been for quite a long time. You can easily get away with saying "Oh, I was just suspicious like everyone else", when in actuality you knew you were pushing me for the exact reason that you could get away with this excuse.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.
DAMN HOW COULD I NOT NOTICE THAT THIS POST MEANT YOU'RE SCUMREADING ME?
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel

Frostings wrote:

^ this is highly based on VCA alone from my perspective that scum probably has the votes spread out on purpose
what about the non VCA then? It seems that you disregard everything and acted on the VCA.
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.
DAMN HOW COULD I NOT NOTICE THAT THIS POST MEANT YOU'RE SCUMREADING ME?
It's not the post itself, it's the message behind the post which (as town) you would read into.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Because I'm not being townread, whereas Haneii is, and has been for quite a long time. You can easily get away with saying "Oh, I was just suspicious like everyone else", when in actuality you knew you were pushing me for the exact reason that you could get away with this excuse.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).
Haneii hasn't exactly been townread much at all at that point, but either way if people actually follow it means y'know that they agree the person in question is actually scummy making your whole moonlogic meaningless.
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Because I'm not being townread, whereas Haneii is, and has been for quite a long time. You can easily get away with saying "Oh, I was just suspicious like everyone else", when in actuality you knew you were pushing me for the exact reason that you could get away with this excuse.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).
Haneii hasn't exactly been townread much at all at that point, but either way if people actually follow it means y'know that they agree the person in question is actually scummy making your whole moonlogic meaningless.
Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

@Haneii: I don't really know what to think of Frostings myself, but I have to respect the opinion of others if I'm gonna suggest candidates for a compromise.
.

Okay, then let's compromise.

Who are your top 2 scum choices?

My top 2 choices are: Setsuen and RB

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.
And Drezi, answer this. I'm you're #1 of course, but who's your #2?
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.
It's not the post itself, it's the message behind the post which (as town) you would read into.
Yes I read you going "While this... I gotta admit that... On one hand this... on the other hand that... I'm being a nice guy to everyone"
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

Navizel wrote:

Frostings wrote:

^ this is highly based on VCA alone from my perspective that scum probably has the votes spread out on purpose
what about the non VCA then? It seems that you disregard everything and acted on the VCA.
yeah that post was just pretty much looking at VCA

Looking at the votecount makes it seem really obvious of intentional spreading-out of votes (which only scum would do, and doesn't 'accidentally' happen through townies at this point in the game), but comparing that to what's actually been going on so far, I'm not really sure

If I were to pick someone for a lynch it would probably be Amianki, though I'm not confident this will flip scum
I'm gonna to pay more attention to pieguy, Setsuen + Haneii, Zexion, and Ace T because of this VCA, though I think Ace is town because of his unintentional PR slip
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.
It's not the post itself, it's the message behind the post which (as town) you would read into.

Yes I read you going "While this... I gotta admit that... On one hand this... on the other hand that... I'm being a nice guy to everyone"
Erm, as far as I can tell, the only person I was being a "nice guy" to here was Ace Timing, because I genuinely read his reaction as town (As did other people, if you look at later posts). Just because I'm the first person to say it, doesn't mean I'm instinctively just trusting of everyone.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.
Yeah, so I was afraid to join the Haneii push, because I was afraid that people would trace it back to who originally started it, which isn't me. 10/10
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.
Yeah, so I was afraid to join the Haneii push, because I was afraid that people would trace it back to who originally started it, which isn't me. 10/10
Oh yeah of course, we'll end up lynching the confirmed miller (Assuming he's not fakeclaiming, which he'd given no real hints to at the time), because scum miller would make so much sense, right?
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

sLaiNi you too, if you got more to add, you seem pretty serious, and you only mentioned him being a lurker and not having contributed.
The vote itself was just to try to get anything out of him. The lurking thing just caught my suspicion. What made me rather sure about him being scum are his reactions.

Amianki wrote:

I'm lurking because 90% of the game is just 1v1 arguments. It's pretty common knowledge how I feel about those.

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.
As he is just like "Yeah, don't mind me lurkin that's alright." When I asked him, that he should post his thoughts on people, just goes with some guttells that were only some filler posts.

Amianki wrote:

Setsuen is town and people really need to stop being baited into 1v1s with him. It literally kills the game.
He just says "Setsuen is town", it's not like he stated his reasons for thinking so earlier or anything else.

Amianki wrote:

I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.
And that one is just the best out of all. Like 20 pages passed since he voted Frostings and he just feels like leaving his vote there.
That one made me feel like he is not even caring if he is voting scum. He is just trying to find someone to vote to have a vote on someone.


Amianki wrote:

There's no way in hell he's getting me as his strongest scumread off something that's basically irrelevant to anything that's happening. It doesn't happen. Ever.
And instead of reasoning himself he just goes with some countervote, not putting any more pressure on Navizel there or anything.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Erm, as far as I can tell, the only person I was being a "nice guy" to here was Ace Timing, because I genuinely read his reaction as town
Except that's completely beyond the point, I was referring to the way you acknowledged things from both sides throughout your comment...
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh yeah of course, we'll end up lynching the confirmed miller (Assuming he's not fakeclaiming, which he'd given no real hints to at the time), because scum miller would make so much sense, right?
At this point you're just towering moonlogic upon moonlogic, and argfghgf.h. Like we are confirmed to have a rolecop...
MBomb
MBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Okay, then let's compromise.

Who are your top 2 scum choices?

My top 2 choices are: Setsuen and RB

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.
And Drezi, answer this. I'm you're #1 of course, but who's your #2?
Stop ignoring this and answer already.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
I'm seriously disappointed with your play if you're town.
MBomb
MBomb

Frostings wrote:

[*]Jess - Jess is ... Jess, her votes can almost be ignored for now, since they don't usually make sense
Also just gonna say here, this wasn't Jess that voted, and in fact, I'm pretty sure this vote is from RVS and because of how inactive fartownik was, the vote never changed.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
I don't have a definite 2# probably still Ace seeing he just went back to lurking after making a longer reads post.
MBomb
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

I'm seriously disappointed with your play if you're town.
That's nice, but to be honest I don't really care how disappointed you are with me. Now answer the god damn question. We need to come to an agreement here, and chances are quite a few people won't get their first choice. Now if we can please hear your second scummiest read in an attempt to try to compromise, so we don't end up with a no lynch.
MBomb
MBomb
Oh right nvm you answered just as I started typing that.
MBomb
MBomb
sLaiNi, if you're still here (Which I doubt you'd disappear that quickly when stuff was going on), could we hear your #1 and #2 top scumreads please?
MBomb
MBomb
oh wait nvm I'm an idiot I got you confused with someone else, you commented on that earlier
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
At work. Intermittent posts.


Frosting, didnt you out mb on your null scum list though? So obviously you voted him since you thought he may be scum.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting, you said scum spread their votes around, but your two scum reads were both voting for you. So how is that spread around? If you think mb is no longer scum, why dont you vote next read? Also you didnt answer my question. Who do you think is scum as you mentioned scum intentionally spread their votes around.
MB was never actually a scumread, I just voted him and wanted people to follow suit just to see how he would respond to pressure. Nobody bothered because I didn't push it at all, since I didn't really care too much about it at that point
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
btw I'll be V/LA aug. 22-26 you can replace me if it's too much
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting, didnt you out mb on your null scum list though? So obviously you voted him since you thought he may be scum.
I put him in my null-scum list just because I was voting for him. I didn't want put him on the null-list because it would start an entire discussion on why I was voting for a null-read instead of a null-scum-read blah blah

It was in part to see if anyone else bothered to sheep, but mostly because I valued MB's reaction more, rather than Amianki's for example, because I've only played one game with MB
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

Frostings wrote:

It was in part to see if anyone else bothered to sheep, but mostly because I valued MB's reaction more
"valued" isn't really the right word. I thought MB's reaction would be more interesting or useful for me
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
Sakura

Drezi wrote:

btw I'll be V/LA aug. 22-26 you can replace me if it's too much
This is fine.
Noted.
MBomb
MBomb
So Frostings, can we have your #1 and #2 scumreads? You kinda hinted at them during your comments earlier on but they were based purely on VCA, I think, and I doubt your whole reads are based on that.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

Navizel wrote:

post something other than something along these lines.

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478
I may or may not know something there. What do you mean?
To discuss the setup in d2 makes it sound like you know something we dont yet.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
sLaiNi's case is blatantly town.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Navizel's case is so horrendously bad that it can't be anything but opportunistic.
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
Sorry guys, I thought deadline was today and got confused saying I wouldn't make it :(

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah I did:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.
Hmm.. I don't really think I've seen that on his ISO as you describe it. While yes, some posts are totally useless, he's been posting actual content. He did put pressure on you however. I don't totally buy this explanation, looks like you desperatly trying to pin the blame on Frostings.

Ugh, honestly all that dicsussion about MB in the middle of the game is making me more unsure right now. I would go with a MB lynch... maaaaybe Frostings but I'm quite unsure about his case. I will keep an eye over Drezi for the next days according to MB's flip if that happens. For now I see Amianki is his usual townplay, he should be definitly addressed if he continues like this for the next day, an Amianki lynch D1 is a bit too rushed.

Navizel case is just... oportunistic as Amianki said. Looks like someone trying to use his lack of posts just to justifiy this.

Vote: Magic Bomb
Navizel
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Joined April 2011
Navizel

Drezi wrote:

btw I'll be V/LA aug. 22-26 you can replace me if it's too much
I'm already seeing what will happen in Night 1..
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel

Navizel wrote:

post something other than something along these lines.

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478
I may or may not know something there. What do you mean?

Raging Bull wrote:

To discuss the setup in d2 makes it sound like you know something we dont yet.
I think that was me wanting to speculate setup and roles on D2 after N1 shenanigans.
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

To discuss the setup in d2 makes it sound like you know something we dont yet.
You think scum know about how the tree setup will work (which is the discussion ami and navi were referring to. ie: pg 7)? Why do you think scum would have more information besides their roles and everyone's alignment?

Do YOU know something RB?


Can we consolidate our votes soon. I'll be back and stay for a bit in a couple of hours.


unvote
Sakura
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Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.28

Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Drezi, Zexion
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (3) - Ace Timing, Frostings, Haneii

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
I have no idea about the setup other than what's been given in this thread so far.
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
Is it opportunistic because of sLaiNi? If that's the case then no.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
I didnt even mention navi is scum... hes even null town to me...
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

Why did you point this out?
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also just gonna say here, this wasn't Jess that voted, and in fact, I'm pretty sure this vote is from RVS and because of how inactive fartownik was, the vote never changed.
Oh, that's a good point. Jess' vote is literally still an RVS one.
......
Jess if you have the chance, can you vote who you think is scummiest? But don't vote anyone who is at L-1

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

So Frostings, can we have your #1 and #2 scumreads? You kinda hinted at them during your comments earlier on but they were based purely on VCA, I think, and I doubt your whole reads are based on that.
Honestly, I don't even know right now. I haven't really paid much attention to scumhunting so far. SlaiNi makes a really good argument against Amianki, though Zexion does have a point regarding Amianki's 'usual' town play (though it's also his usual scumplay as well)

I think Amianki lynch D1 is bad (though I wouldn't be surprised at a scumflip). I also think MB lynch is bad (this one I would be surprised if he flips scum).
I'm not sure who I would suggest otherwise for today's lynch though
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii
This is based on current votes and players top 2 scum reads (if you haven't yet, choose your number #2 to lynch)



Frostings (3) - Magic bomb, Raging bull, amianki
Magic bomb (3) - Raging bull, zexion, Drezi
Raging bull (2) - Jess, Haneii
Amianki (2) - slaini, Navizel
Haneii (2) - Frostings, setsuen
Setsuen (2) - Frostings, Haneii
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Drezi (1) - Magic bomb
Pieguy1372 (1) - frostings
Ace timing (1) - Drezi


Doesn't change much, but several of you haven't given out their 2nd highest scum read.
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii
Does frostings have any finished scum games on this forum?
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

This is based on current votes and players top 2 scum reads (if you haven't yet, choose your number #2 to lynch)



Frostings (3) - Magic bomb, Raging bull, amianki
Magic bomb (3) - Raging bull, zexion, Drezi
Raging bull (2) - Jess, Haneii
Amianki (2) - slaini, Navizel
Haneii (2) - Frostings, setsuen
Setsuen (2) - Frostings, Haneii
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Drezi (1) - Magic bomb
Pieguy1372 (1) - frostings
Ace timing (1) - Drezi


Doesn't change much, but several of you haven't given out their 2nd highest scum read.
Frostings is on there 3 times, just saying. (Also remove Jess from RB, seeing as that was RVS by fartownik).
Haneii
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Haneii

Haneii wrote:

Frostings (3) - Magic bomb, Raging bull, amianki
Magic bomb (3) - Raging bull, zexion, Drezi
Amianki (3) - slaini, Navizel Forgot to note slaini's double vote if he were to vote ami
Raging bull (2) - Jess, Haneii
Haneii (2) - Frostings, setsuen
Setsuen (2) - Frostings, Haneii
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Drezi (1) - Magic bomb
Pieguy1372 (1) - frostings
Ace timing (1) - Drezi
MBomb
MBomb
Oh also add slaini's doublevote
MBomb
MBomb
Oh, got sniped
Haneii
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Haneii
frostings vote is pretty messed up. I realize that he has two versions of his scum list and isn't sure of either of them..
He comes up 3 times because setsuen and I tie for 2nd in one of his reads.

Jess stays because it's from the official vote count.
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

frostings vote is pretty messed up. I realize that he has two versions of his scum list and isn't sure of either of them..
He comes up 3 times because setsuen and I tie for 2nd in one of his reads.

Jess stays because it's from the official vote count.
Ah right kk that's fair enough. I'm gonna be going to sleep now, but Jess especially, can we hear your reads, I'm really interested to see what you think considering you haven't really said much (Mostly due to only just having replaced in).
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

Why did you point this out?
Because it does seem like he is hiding something. Whats your opinion on it
Navizel
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Navizel
but I'm not hiding anything at all~
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Why did you point this out?
Because it does seem like he is hiding something. Whats your opinion on it
I don't have one, but I do wonder why you have an opinion on it. Why does it matter to you if he's hiding something (what do you think he's hiding btw?). And again, why did you point it out to everyone else?
-[Jess]-
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Joined March 2014
-[Jess]-
unvote

I am tried to read all the 1v1 and walls orz
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

I don't have one, but I do wonder why you have an opinion on it. Why does it matter to you if he's hiding something (what do you think he's hiding btw?). And again, why did you point it out to everyone else?

While catching up, it struck me as odd as I felt he might know something about what he might be able to do for the treehouses. (Like moving into dead one or switching.) Sharing that information would be nice to know if there is inconsistency with hearing noises. But you are right with the last part.
Setsuen
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Joined May 2013
Setsuen

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.
Hahaha. No I won't be lynched even if role cop checks me.

so basically Zexion is like a parrot now. pie stated that Haneii and I are town and he repeated it by saying it wash his opinion and now Navizel plays feels opportunistic bc of what Amianki said.

Unvote

as of this point Frosting is suspicious but Zexion gives off a bad vibe with his very VERY neutral posts.
Setsuen
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Joined May 2013
Setsuen
Also town should take note of other town who basically town read me and then try to avoid me as much as possible. Scum pulled that off in that cruel Madoka game.
Navizel
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Navizel
So if there's a role cop, why would people want a Setsuen lynch when Millers can only be town? what?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Actually i thought it was said navizel lynch was optimistc, not his posts
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Opportunistic
Sakura
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Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Drezi, Zexion
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (5) - Ace Timing, Frostings, Haneii, -[Jess]-, Setsuen

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Hey guys no rush, deadline is in a month according to the topic title. September 20.

Im willing to compromise if we cant agree on lynching someone.

@CB no one is voting for navizel besides pie, so im not sure why it seems opportunistic. There is no momentum or anything.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

-[Jess]- wrote:

unvote

I am tried to read all the 1v1 and walls orz
so why do you join games if all you do then is NOT play?

in your other game you say you enjoy people wanting to PL you, well THANK YOU we are enjoying having a useless slot in our games so much aswell.... NOT


also it's giving me a bad feeling the way Zexion just joined the MB wagon, mentioning that one quote to be very scummy (what about all the other things I pointed out?), and then apparently being totally unconvinced at the same time...
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Drezi wrote:

so why do you join games if all you do then is NOT play?

in your other game you say you enjoy people wanting to PL you, well THANK YOU we are enjoying having a useless slot in our games so much aswell.... NOT
okok

post read later
MBomb
MBomb

-[Jess]- wrote:

Drezi wrote:

so why do you join games if all you do then is NOT play?

in your other game you say you enjoy people wanting to PL you, well THANK YOU we are enjoying having a useless slot in our games so much aswell.... NOT
okok

post read later
Better hurry up then, deadline is in just over 12 hours.
MBomb
MBomb
Also, anyone who still hasn't given their top 2 scumreads, please do. We need to come to some kind of decision, and the way we're going now, we're not coming to any kind of agreement.
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii
Need to go to work in a couple hours and I might not be able to return before the deadline.

I'm town and null reading the top 3 wagons. Thing is, I do not want the day to end in a no lynch.

I'll vote for frostings soon. Out of the 3, he has the least town points in my read (however, that's mainly because he doesn't know what to do majority of the time. I don't like how people are voting for him because he's not doing much for town, but I'll join in lynching him if it takes away the distraction from actual scum hunting and gives a lynch for D1.

In the meantime I'll have some breakfast and wait for Jess to reply.
-[Jess]-
1,086 posts
Joined March 2014
-[Jess]-
Read,and don't ask me to explain.I am bad on explaining
Null-scum
Drezi
Frostings
Null
the rest

Null-town
Setsuen
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii
Can you place your vote please, Jess?
-[Jess]-
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Joined March 2014
-[Jess]-
vote:Drezi
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii
Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
-[Jess]-
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Joined March 2014
-[Jess]-

Haneii wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
MBomb
MBomb
I'll take my vote off for a bit, considering I'll be here at the deadline so if needed I can hammer, whilst leaving as much time open for discussion as possible.

Unvote
Haneii
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Joined November 2009
Haneii
I'll be off now.

One more person should add their vote to frostings and another person should post their intent to hammer. I suggest you guys get a role claim well before the deadline. Do not leave this until the last couple of hours and rush it.



Vote: frostings
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
Ok. Now lets randomly switch our wagon to Zexion bc apparently some of us do find him suspicious.
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

I'll be off now.

One more person should add their vote to frostings and another person should post their intent to hammer. I suggest you guys get a role claim well before the deadline. Do not leave this until the last couple of hours and rush it.
Also I get the feeling we don't have much choice, idk if Frostings will check any time soon or whether it won't be until a few hours before deadline.
MBomb
MBomb
idk why i said also but yeah
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

-[Jess]- wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
god this sheep.

@ Setsuen, what do you have on Zexion besides very neutralposts?
MBomb
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Jess, look at sakura's last vote count. No one else is voting drezi, and the day is nearing an end.

Would you vote frostings?
sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
god this sheep.

@ Setsuen, what do you have on Zexion besides very neutralposts?
Tbh, this isn't sheeping, this is just Jess, as annoying as it sounds, this is normal play for her.
MBomb
MBomb
Wait, I messed up, forget the "this isn't sheeping part", I just meant that this is how Jess normally plays, at least how it seems to me.
MBomb
MBomb
oh also I messed up and put my second " too late rip
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

[@ Setsuen, what do you have on Zexion besides very neutralposts?
Basically he pulled off what Sakura did in that stupid Madoka game where I neighbourised scum bc I trusted her. That and I already said that he is basically copying other people post now z.z pieguy reads on me and Haneii? Zexion said the same thing. Amianki's opportunistic? yep he repeated it.

that and Zexion is like Frosting. "Lets care about lurkers but decide not to prod anyone and if they still lurk we lynch them......... much much later".
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Raging Bull wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

sure

unvote
vote:Frostings
god this sheep.
?? This isn't even a sheep, she listed me and Frostings as null-scum and switched to the other one when Haneii told her it's more useful now. But you shouldn't expect much in the first place anyway.
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