Raging Bull wrote:

lesse. Slani is double voter. Thought he can hide his double voter ability if there is a lynch reveal or something. Seems newbie mistake. Seems like he cares when people vote for him. Admits it was a bad fail, but also tried his best to avoid the topic too. Seems like he likes to post more now since it is more fun to post. Kinda like me and my first mafia revival game, so seems town to me.



Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.

I'm bias, but that can't be the only reasons why you can't take it seriously...


CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562

I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601

What does this mean? p/4425142

Something others have already pointed out. Please explain why it stands out to you and how it affects your read on Ace.

lol pieguy p/4425942

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

Why do you think so? What implications does it have on your read of Navi?


zzz still reading.

Raging Bull wrote:

uaaa. I think it's reasonable to be suspicious of your claim early on Setsuen, which makes me think Haneii is town. p/4427658

Like who Navizel? p/4427773

oohhh so thats why CB wanted something like that to happen. I'm stupid. p/4427919

Ace's reaction seems town to me. I tend to joke a lot too, but I suppose I was never scum read for it. I don't know about his other games though. p/4428770.

Gosh, no need for setup speculation. I like Zexions post about discussing setup speculation is fake contribution. p/4429956

Actually yeah, im not sure why ace would vote for someone who is not scum, on top of that saying obv town. It rubs me as strange as it sounds like he knows CB is town. p/4431166 Next few posts confused the crap out of me though.
@Ace timing, why did you vote CB for posting one scummy thing, but also said he isn't obv scum?

@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone. posting.php?mode=quote&f=84&p=4431279
Frosting isn't the only one that hasn't tried to convince others to vote with him. Why, of all reasons, would you use this against him? Couldn't think of anything else?

Wtf, if anything Haneii would be scum then since Setsuen kept on trying to go for Haneii, but never actually voted for her. p/4433172
You can go after other people without taking your vote off someone else. I'm going after you now, but I have no intention of taking my vote off setsuen unless you start playing more scummy in comparison.

zzz rubs me wrong so far with him trying to sound very town. p/443322444
This link doesn't work for me, can you re-link it, please

Good post, but dislike lack of vote on one of his null scum reads p/4433269



Anyways reads at this point are

null scum
Frosting
MB

null
everyone So I should just ignore your null scum/null town list?


null town
Navizel
Ace
Setsuen
Slani


fuck replacing. never again. At least its D1 though. Still reading.

Drezi wrote:

I'm kindof bothered by Zexion not even voting anyone.

Drezi wrote:

you parking your vote there allday long won't accomplish much of anything at this point.

Haneii wrote:

Why frostings and MB? Just because they already have a wagon started?

Since when does town lynch based on how easy it would be to start and push a wagon? What happen to voting for people we actually find scummy?

Zexion wrote:

no one has answered yet why is Frostings scummy or why was he with the most votes for the majority of the day. If somemone could please answer that I could vote on phone some hours later. (Because I'll not make it home to the DL)

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

Zexion wrote:

I don't really think neither Haneii or Setsuen is scum. This seems like a town v/s town while scum is just watching and laughing. Of course Setsuen's claim is bringing a lot of WIFOM but I don't think we should lynch him based only on that, we'll need to see what happens in the following days.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

Frostings wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

Uhhhh
Maybe you haven't looked at the vote count.
There was literally no wagon anywhere. Yeah, for sure I'll try to pressure someone by voting them when literally the highest votes against were me and you (who I was already voting for)
But nah, I'll just pressure my other scumread (Amianki) and put one vote on him, that'll pressure him for sure, when almost everyone already has one vote a piece

Raging Bull wrote:

@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

You act as if literally the only way to pressure people is by voting. There are other ways of pressuring too, you know. But they include actually posting and contributing so I guess I'm asking too much.

Amianki wrote:

I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.

Drezi wrote:

I'd be totally fine with a Jess PL normally, but I get the feeling that in this setup we'll be able to figure out if she's scum or not.

Drezi wrote:

Ace you forgot to answer this

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

ayy confirm lmao

also can you tell me what was the reason for confirming with "ayy lmao"?

pie wrote:

Navizel: there is very little Navizel has done this game that I've actually liked. there's a lot of surface observations, but it feels more like he's just commenting on stuff out of convenience and there's no internal consistency anywhere. I don't *actually* know where his current reads on the game stand.

MB wrote:

Only one-shot though.

sLaiNi wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I did not do that, maybe you just never realized.

Imo you always were one of the most active towns and now your ISO is full of one liners, and half of it being you just trying to take part in the setsuen/MB conversation and that part even felt like just adding something to appear active. That's my feel to this.

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.

Frostings wrote:

As far as arguments go... I don't really remember the details, there weren't really that many that stood out (for me at least, except for MB's 100% confidence I'm scum, but I'm biased)

pieguy1372 wrote:

did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?

you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.

-[Jess]- wrote:

Rest is over

Reading the 39 page now,post later

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

RB wrote:

Like who Navizel? p/4427773

Drezi wrote:

@Haneii: I don't really know what to think of Frostings myself, but I have to respect the opinion of others if I'm gonna suggest candidates for a compromise.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

my top 2 are still Frostings and Drezi.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Drezi wrote:

if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched, because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).

I'm honestly getting the feeling I was reading this game wrong, though I assume to people scumreading me already that'll probably just seem like an attempt to "get out of suspicion".

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking. I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.

Amianki wrote:

He's not the one voting me entirely because I made a comment about my own meta that doesn't even apply to this game.

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.

Amianki wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.

Yeah, which means that a cop can't determine whether a Miller is true or not.

Haneii wrote:

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting, you said scum spread their votes around, but your two scum reads were both voting for you. So how is that spread around? If you think mb is no longer scum, why dont you vote next read? Also you didnt answer my question. Who do you think is scum as you mentioned scum intentionally spread their votes around.

Sakura wrote:

26 or so hours until deadline

Vote Count 1.26

Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
Amianki (3) - sLaiNi, Navizel
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Drezi
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (3) - Ace Timing, Zexion, Frostings

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

1. Drezi - There might have been two or three votes on MB previously, and whoever had votes on him removed it, so doesn't apply too much to Drezi right now
2. Jess - Jess is ... Jess, her votes can almost be ignored for now, since they don't usually make sense
3. Haneii + Setsuen - Either two towns arguing against each other (VERY counter-intuitive) or one of them is scum and purposely causing it. Doubt they're both scum, one scum is possible.
4. pieguy - I don't really understand his vote on Navizel, Looking at VCA alone in this particular pool, his vote is probably the least town

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

(I'm townreading Haneii, but the fact you were avoiding the topic maybe shows you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you?).
LOL, if I were scum everyone I push would flip town, except if I decided to bus my partners D1
and what's with this me avoiding Haneii bullshit seriously, I's getting on my nerves, it doesn't even make the slightest sense

Your comment about Zexion not voting and then when I ask why you don't question Ace voting you base it on a post which wasn't really serious (At least, it didn't seem it to me).
Yeah, damn so scum indicative, I couldn't possibly include Ace in my question if I wanted to regardless of my alignment...

Your wariness of lynching Setsuen also seems suspicious to me, multiple posts from you saying "We're not lynching Setsuen, so just move on"
However I do agree Haneii should move their vote. -> so your point makes zero sense and you answered it yourself for me, thank you.. anyway my WARINESS of lynching Setsuen lol, I simply think he's town, and so does the majority of the game, it's a fact.

Again, your massive overreaction to someone confirming with "ayy lmao" is just concerning af, especially considering that it clearly meant nothing and you were really just grasping there.
MY massive overreaction? I asked a simple question (who are you to decide if it CLEARLY meant nothing or not, I'm free to ask whatever the hell I think might help to some extent, we had all the time in the world) and certain people (the ones Ace had been scum with last game lol...) freaked out, how dare I do such a meaningless thing.

You trying to point out contradictions that weren't contradicitions about my read on Setsuen (Believe it or not, someone's opinion can change), seemed again like you were grasping.
Not contradictions, but an unnaturally swingy read progression which coincides with people suspecting you...

The fact how you automatically assumed that I thought you were scum just because you voted me even though I'd voiced suspicions about you earlier in the game makes it seem like you're not paying full attention.
Be my guest and quote yourself, I just checked again and you haven't said ANYTHING about suspecting me before I voted you...

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

The fact how you automatically assumed that I thought you were scum just because you voted me even though I'd voiced suspicions about you earlier in the game makes it seem like you're not paying full attention.
Be my guest and quote yourself, I just checked again and you haven't said ANYTHING about suspecting me before I voted you...

Drezi wrote:

Yeah, lynch this.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

For the record, most of my reads are null because a lot of people have barely said anything, but I do have a few null-town, null-scum, and one scum read.

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).

Like seriously I've been pushing MB forever, and for some reason this logic doesn't apply to himself?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.

Frostings wrote:

^ this is highly based on VCA alone from my perspective that scum probably has the votes spread out on purpose

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.

DAMN HOW COULD I NOT NOTICE THAT THIS POST MEANT YOU'RE SCUMREADING ME?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Because I'm not being townread, whereas Haneii is, and has been for quite a long time. You can easily get away with saying "Oh, I was just suspicious like everyone else", when in actuality you knew you were pushing me for the exact reason that you could get away with this excuse.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Because I'm not being townread, whereas Haneii is, and has been for quite a long time. You can easily get away with saying "Oh, I was just suspicious like everyone else", when in actuality you knew you were pushing me for the exact reason that you could get away with this excuse.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed, and then Haneii flipped town, people would be suspicious of you).

Haneii hasn't exactly been townread much at all at that point, but either way if people actually follow it means y'know that they agree the person in question is actually scummy making your whole moonlogic meaningless.

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

@Haneii: I don't really know what to think of Frostings myself, but I have to respect the opinion of others if I'm gonna suggest candidates for a compromise.

.

Okay, then let's compromise.

Who are your top 2 scum choices?

My top 2 choices are: Setsuen and RB

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.

It's not the post itself, it's the message behind the post which (as town) you would read into.

Navizel wrote:

Frostings wrote:

^ this is highly based on VCA alone from my perspective that scum probably has the votes spread out on purpose

what about the non VCA then? It seems that you disregard everything and acted on the VCA.

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.

It's not the post itself, it's the message behind the post which (as town) you would read into.

Yes I read you going "While this... I gotta admit that... On one hand this... on the other hand that... I'm being a nice guy to everyone"

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.

Drezi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

you didn't want to try and make points against them because you thought that if you joined in and people actually followed

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah, but then when they track it back to who originally started the push, based on not much logic, it'd be traced back to you and Setsuen, and tbh I think you'd be seen as a more likely lynch as Setsuen tomorrow, especially if town has a role cop.

Yeah, so I was afraid to join the Haneii push, because I was afraid that people would trace it back to who originally started it, which isn't me. 10/10

Drezi wrote:

sLaiNi you too, if you got more to add, you seem pretty serious, and you only mentioned him being a lurker and not having contributed.

Amianki wrote:

I'm lurking because 90% of the game is just 1v1 arguments. It's pretty common knowledge how I feel about those.

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.

Amianki wrote:

Setsuen is town and people really need to stop being baited into 1v1s with him. It literally kills the game.

Amianki wrote:

I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.

Amianki wrote:

There's no way in hell he's getting me as his strongest scumread off something that's basically irrelevant to anything that's happening. It doesn't happen. Ever.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Erm, as far as I can tell, the only person I was being a "nice guy" to here was Ace Timing, because I genuinely read his reaction as town

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh yeah of course, we'll end up lynching the confirmed miller (Assuming he's not fakeclaiming, which he'd given no real hints to at the time), because scum miller would make so much sense, right?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Okay, then let's compromise.

Who are your top 2 scum choices?

My top 2 choices are: Setsuen and RB

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.

And Drezi, answer this. I'm you're #1 of course, but who's your #2?

Frostings wrote:

[*]Jess - Jess is ... Jess, her votes can almost be ignored for now, since they don't usually make sense

Drezi wrote:

I'm seriously disappointed with your play if you're town.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting, you said scum spread their votes around, but your two scum reads were both voting for you. So how is that spread around? If you think mb is no longer scum, why dont you vote next read? Also you didnt answer my question. Who do you think is scum as you mentioned scum intentionally spread their votes around.

MB was never actually a scumread, I just voted him and wanted people to follow suit just to see how he would respond to pressure. Nobody bothered because I didn't push it at all, since I didn't really care too much about it at that point

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting, didnt you out mb on your null scum list though? So obviously you voted him since you thought he may be scum.

Frostings wrote:

It was in part to see if anyone else bothered to sheep, but mostly because I valued MB's reaction more

Drezi wrote:

btw I'll be V/LA aug. 22-26 you can replace me if it's too much

Navizel wrote:

post something other than something along these lines.

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

I may or may not know something there. What do you mean?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Yeah I did:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

Drezi wrote:

btw I'll be V/LA aug. 22-26 you can replace me if it's too much

Navizel wrote:

post something other than something along these lines.

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

I may or may not know something there. What do you mean?

Raging Bull wrote:

To discuss the setup in d2 makes it sound like you know something we dont yet.

Raging Bull wrote:

To discuss the setup in d2 makes it sound like you know something we dont yet.

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also just gonna say here, this wasn't Jess that voted, and in fact, I'm pretty sure this vote is from RVS and because of how inactive fartownik was, the vote never changed.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

So Frostings, can we have your #1 and #2 scumreads? You kinda hinted at them during your comments earlier on but they were based purely on VCA, I think, and I doubt your whole reads are based on that.