Illkryn wrote:

ayy

"DT is overvalued" "Nomod doesn't give you anything"

Lemme tell you why DT is so popular m8s

I'm sure you'll all notice MOST nomod maps feel like they give undervalued pp, that is because of the fact they have a lower OD than the standard DT map (which is 9 or 9.6 most the time)

In terms of actual map difficulty relative to pp gained HR has the highest potential yield for easier maps due to the massive OD increase it adds to maps. "If thats true why doesnt everyone just play hr then you retard?" Well my friend that is because most people prefer the challenge of going fast rather than the challenge of being accurate.

It is this reason why DT is the preferred method as most people think "Why play HR and struggle for good acc when I can just go fast and care less about accuracy" Even if you don't think that you think it and you play DT, too fucking bad because you do think that.

People would say HR is overvalued if everyone had decided getting good accuracy is more fun than going fast. Simple.

Gumpyyy wrote:

[-Cloud-] wrote:

Type My Little Pony in your search, put DT and have PP. y/w

This.

cheezstik wrote:

Illkryn wrote:

ayy

"DT is overvalued" "Nomod doesn't give you anything"

Lemme tell you why DT is so popular m8s

I'm sure you'll all notice MOST nomod maps feel like they give undervalued pp, that is because of the fact they have a lower OD than the standard DT map (which is 9 or 9.6 most the time)

In terms of actual map difficulty relative to pp gained HR has the highest potential yield for easier maps due to the massive OD increase it adds to maps. "If thats true why doesnt everyone just play hr then you retard?" Well my friend that is because most people prefer the challenge of going fast rather than the challenge of being accurate.

It is this reason why DT is the preferred method as most people think "Why play HR and struggle for good acc when I can just go fast and care less about accuracy" Even if you don't think that you think it and you play DT, too fucking bad because you do think that.

People would say HR is overvalued if everyone had decided getting good accuracy is more fun than going fast. Simple.

Does DT actually increase OD or is it just a theoretical effect? Because it definitely feels like an OD7 DT map is lower OD than a nomod OD8, same with OD8 DT and nomod OD9.

Also, to the HR argument, HR is definitely harder at ranks like mine, as the pp reward it gives isn't high enough compared to how hard it actually makes the map for people that can't read AR10 and play well at OD9-10 and CS5. Someone that can do those things will be much higher rank already from the nomod and DT stuff they can play. Maybe at a better rank DT/HR/nomod becomes a preference, but at my rank DT is definitely the easiest, and HR is definitely the hardest.

Riince wrote:

Free ~120 pp with DT
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/339058?m=0 [Insane]

and I do mean free.

cheezstik wrote:

Does DT actually increase OD or is it just a theoretical effect? Because it definitely feels like an OD7 DT map is lower OD than a nomod OD8, same with OD8 DT and nomod OD9.

Also, to the HR argument, HR is definitely harder at ranks like mine, as the pp reward it gives isn't high enough compared to how hard it actually makes the map for people that can't read AR10 and play well at OD9-10 and CS5. Someone that can do those things will be much higher rank already from the nomod and DT stuff they can play. Maybe at a better rank DT/HR/nomod becomes a preference, but at my rank DT is definitely the easiest, and HR is definitely the hardest.

Husky wrote:

Dt in fact gives a little too much pp.

I think, it's because new performance system loves jumps and when they are faster, even the easy patterns - it producing pp. From my own experience, I have to spend much more time to gain pp from nomods. Sometimes from random dthd plays I've got a plenty of it and I was like "wutwutwut. 180pp for this? Really." Maybe my speed is just better than Ar9 reading skills, dunno.

Genki1000 wrote:

Husky wrote:

Dt in fact gives a little too much pp.

I think, it's because new performance system loves jumps and when they are faster, even the easy patterns - it producing pp. From my own experience, I have to spend much more time to gain pp from nomods. Sometimes from random dthd plays I've got a plenty of it and I was like "wutwutwut. 180pp for this? Really." Maybe my speed is just better than Ar9 reading skills, dunno.

I agree, I think large spacing gives way too much pp right now. When I see maps like this rated below maps like this I start to think the game favours jumps way too much.
I personally find 220bpm snaps much harder than 138bpm mid size stars, despite the latter being rated higher.

cheezstik wrote:

Yeah, jumps are worth more than streams right now, hence why the highest pp song achieved right now are remote control, this has nothing to do with DT though, as that map was played with DT (Even though most of the pp is to do with that map being OD9, as the massive jumps take up a tiny portion of the map).

Maybe you guys mean aim is worth too much / speed is worth too little?

silmarilen wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Yeah, jumps are worth more than streams right now, hence why the highest pp song achieved right now are remote control, this has nothing to do with DT though, as that map was played with DT (Even though most of the pp is to do with that map being OD9, as the massive jumps take up a tiny portion of the map).

Maybe you guys mean aim is worth too much / speed is worth too little?

the reason those are the highest is because nobody can deathstream 250bpm

the map with the most nomod pp (leaving out tag4) is still a stream map (freedom dive)

cheezstik wrote:

Maybe you guys mean aim is worth too much / speed is worth too little?

cheezstik wrote:

There are plenty of songs with harder jumps than remote control. I think the pp value of that song comes from the fact that it is both slow enough to be played decently with DT, and that it is OD9. If hoshizora was OD9 then it would be worth more than remote control I'm sure. We'll just have to wait till someone plays both of them DT + HR I guess. Lol fuck that's never gonna happen

Rewben2 wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

There are plenty of songs with harder jumps than remote control. I think the pp value of that song comes from the fact that it is both slow enough to be played decently with DT, and that it is OD9. If hoshizora was OD9 then it would be worth more than remote control I'm sure. We'll just have to wait till someone plays both of them DT + HR I guess. Lol fuck that's never gonna happen

I don't think it would be. Hoshizora no ima has a lower star rating than remote control as well as less objects so it wouldn't be worth more than remote control even if it were OD9.

pied wrote:

The best way to gain pp is to not worry about pp.

[-Cloud-] wrote:

You underestimate the difference between OD8 and 9.

cheezstik wrote:

Hmm, true, I didn't really think about that. Tillerino confirms that with HR remote control is still worth more. Not sure about the effect of DT on that though, maybe hoshizora DTHR would be worth more than remote control DTHR.

burnijng wrote:

Know any high pp reward maps? Im 64k trash
Please link more maps for me.
Kappa

burnijng wrote:

Know any high pp reward maps? Im 64k trash
Please link more maps for me.
Kappa

Rewben2 wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

There are plenty of songs with harder jumps than remote control. I think the pp value of that song comes from the fact that it is both slow enough to be played decently with DT, and that it is OD9. If hoshizora was OD9 then it would be worth more than remote control I'm sure. We'll just have to wait till someone plays both of them DT + HR I guess. Lol fuck that's never gonna happen

I don't think it would be. Hoshizora no ima has a lower star rating than remote control as well as less objects so it wouldn't be worth more than remote control even if it were OD9.

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

AR doesn't affect pp unless its lower than AR8 or higher than AR10.3

Nadfee wrote:

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

AR doesn't affect pp unless its lower than AR8 or higher than AR10.3

Ah well most maps above 9.2 that I've played gives more pp than my normal AR9s.
I was referring to that if you play most maps that are AR9.2+ you'll most likely find hard ones that issue alot of PP.

Khelly wrote:

Nadfee wrote:

Ah well most maps above 9.2 that I've played gives more pp than my normal AR9s.
I was referring to that if you play most maps that are AR9.2+ you'll most likely find hard ones that issue alot of PP.

I think you should stop focusing on ar and actually think about things like the od and how the map is mapped.

sottovoce wrote:

TBH, if you haven't managed to notice that OD and length have a massive impact on map PP rewards whereas AR has none at all, I would urge you to stop putting any trust in your powers of observation. :p

B1rd wrote:

sottovoce wrote:

TBH, if you haven't managed to notice that OD and length have a massive impact on map PP rewards whereas AR has none at all, I would urge you to stop putting any trust in your powers of observation. :p

Approach rate does affect pp

If a 6* map was AR6 it would probably give like 10 more pp.

chainpullz wrote:

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

AR doesn't affect pp unless its lower than AR8 or higher than AR10.3

I'm pretty sure the bonus is inclusive of ar9+dt but the wording in the changelog is a bit vague. This would mean that previously ar10 was giving an ar bonus and thus the change makes a bit more sense.

xxdeathx wrote:

holy shit it's been 10 months

xxdeathx wrote:

holy shit it's been 4 months

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

I'm severely autistic.

quentinbattle wrote:

free PP

Barusamikosu wrote:

quentinbattle wrote:

free PP

hehe

HK_ wrote:

Stop blaming other people because you cant get pp even when its free.

Barusamikosu wrote:

HK_ wrote:

Stop blaming other people because you cant get pp even when its free.

You're right HK I can only blame myself for my non-existent aim

Barusamikosu wrote:

HK_ wrote:

Stop blaming other people because you cant get pp even when its free.

You're right HK I can only blame myself for my non-existent aim

Khelly wrote:

I can't get pp because I don't play standard