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Nyxa
My suspicion on SNB still stands. I'm starting to think farto is just aggressive town, and my suspicion of Drezi is increasing again.
-[Jess]-

Drezi wrote:

lol, well just go ahead and lynch Tess then
You sure?
I will use doublevote if half of everyone say yes
fartownik

Drezi wrote:

Kill: Tess
Nice try, but it got ruined by Navizel ;) Funny that Tess didn't react to that at all.

@Tess: eh, that color thing HAD TO be examined. If you don't want to be treated like this, think before doing stuff like that, simple. It looked quite suspicious from every angle you take as Town and leaving it unanswered was just unsatisfying.
fartownik

Amianki wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Also I just noticed Ace Timing has no scumreads (besides null-scum Tess) after reading the whole thread at once. Weird.
This combined with the associative tell he dropped with Jess on the last page makes me sliiiiiightly more okay with a Jess lynch.
May I know what exactly do you mean by this?
Drezi

Navizel wrote:

3.2) If you do not post in the thread for 24 hours, you are eligable for a prod PM. Players may request a prod if another player hasn't posted in that time.
07-20 07:25 UTC

rEdo wrote:

You're right. I just honestly answered Zexion's question, though. Never planned on indirectly saying that I'm not scum, I just used a sentence that seemed natural to me.
07-21 07:18 UTC

Navizel wrote:

rEdo has been prodded.
So yeah, prodding rEdo BEFORE the deadline without anyone even asking must have been of utmost importance, when you see it influences gameplay.
Nyxa

fartownik wrote:

@Tess: eh, that color thing HAD TO be examined. If you don't want to be treated like this, think before doing stuff like that, simple. It looked quite suspicious from every angle you take as Town and leaving it unanswered was just unsatisfying.
I understand it had to be examined, I was more surprised by that, of all things, being Irre's reason to suspect me. There are far better reasons to suspect me than a color.
Nyxa
Also I agree that Navizel could've waited a bit.
fartownik
fartownik

Tess wrote:

fartownik wrote:

@Tess: eh, that color thing HAD TO be examined. If you don't want to be treated like this, think before doing stuff like that, simple. It looked quite suspicious from every angle you take as Town and leaving it unanswered was just unsatisfying.
I understand it had to be examined, I was more surprised by that, of all things, being Irre's reason to suspect me. There are far better reasons to suspect me than a color.
One simply can't find logic in Irre's thoughts.
Drezi

fartownik wrote:

:'''DDDDDDD
Nyxa

Drezi wrote:

fartownik wrote:

:'''DDDDDDD
Drezi

Tess wrote:

Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.

A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
So what's with this reply. Wasn't this a reaction to the kill?

Also what about the "Am I the only one seeing this".

As for the green color, I didn't even want to mention it, because apparently Tess (and possibly Ace) harping on our fears of confbiasing here works to some extent and I wanted to see if others would think the same of it.
Drezi

-[Jess]- wrote:

You sure?
I will use doublevote if half of everyone say yes
Also this might be far-fetched but could this mean a TessJess team, considering our latest Jesshunting attempts? :D
Nyxa

Drezi wrote:

Tess wrote:

Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.

A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
So what's with this reply. Wasn't this a reaction to the kill?
It was. It's basically me saying "I know I played bad but you took it too far."

Drezi wrote:

Also what about the "Am I the only one seeing this".
This was actually a misunderstanding on my part regarding the posts you were directing at Jess. At first I was like "wtf", but then I realized that that's a pretty good move to figure out her alignment, so I decided to not mention it anymore so as to not get in the way of what you were doing. I've already made enough fuckups this game, don't want to get in the way of something good.


Drezi wrote:

As for the green color, I didn't even want to mention it, because apparently Tess (and possibly Ace) harping on our fears of confbiasing here works to some extent and I wanted to see if others would think the same of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Also,

Drezi wrote:

lol, well just go ahead and lynch Tess then
Could you explain this, please? I forgot about it but I still don't get why you said this. It was right after a post of my own.


Also, Jess's "50/50" still bothers me. Both because that's mathematically wrong, and because I don't see why any town would say such a thing. But if Jess were scum my own hypotheses and gut feels make a whole lot less sense.


I'm also still not sure about what to think of Ace Timing. He seems pretty towny to me so far but I don't want to assume too quickly. I still haven't done a thorough reread of the thread because I'm a lazy bitch, but what do you guys think of him?
Drezi
I just saw the roleblocker claim, and it's the most common scum power role, while possible isn't too typical for town, I thought you didn't know that or something, but it's not relevant anymore after Navi confirmed roles were given before alignments.
Nyxa
Ah, makes sense. I wondered if it could stop a nightkill but then realized that that wouldn't make much sense, which made this practically useless. I'll still target any player I suspect at night though, provided I even make it past the first day.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

It was.
But I just don't get it. That's what I thought but it doesn't make sense to say, coming after Navi's post, like at all.

It looks like what was meant to be a townie reaction to the kill and you just decided to post it anyway after you realized you're not actually dead.
Nyxa
I actually originally thought Navizel had posted the prod without checking your post first, and was expecting him to post my death anytime soon. I wanted to say what I could before that happened.
Drezi
07-21 07:18 UTC

Navizel wrote:

rEdo has been prodded.
07-21 07:46 UTC

Tess wrote:

Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.

A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.

Tess wrote:

I actually originally thought Navizel had posted the prod without checking your post first, and was expecting him to post my death anytime soon. I wanted to say what I could before that happened.
I think you're scum.
Nyxa
I know you do. I have no way to prove that I posted right after I read the post, so

@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
Nyxa
Depending on the answer, you're town, or scum. And if you're scum, then farto is town.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

I have no way to prove that I posted right after I read the post
It doesn't matter Navi's post said "POSTED HALF AN HOUR AGO".
Nyxa
That doesn't exempt Navizel from having a reason to post about my death later? People also have lives beside this, you know.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

Depending on the answer, you're town, or scum.
How so?
Nyxa
Because it'd be a pretty smart move to PM your prod request to Navizel right after posting that fake kill. It makes you look town, while at the same time preventing me from confirming I'm town, by an accident on the mod's behalf. As you posted yourself, that prod was too early, but not too early to prevent a prod request. A few minutes shouldn't matter.

But, judging by that timing, the fact that you could've fakekilled me much sooner to get that information out of me (there were far better reasons to do that before rEdo got prodded), it's not very weird to think you may have been waiting for the right opportunity to pull such a move. Which would be a brilliant move as scum. If you already know I'm town, you wouldn't pull a move such as fakekilling me right after learning my role, because my reaction to that would obviously be town, which would benefit town but not scum. On the other hand, if a mod post happens not long after your post that doesn't include my death, then yeah, I pretty much lose all opportunity to definitively prove I'm town, and you appear to be a townie who was legit trying to figure out someone's alignment.

The only reason I'm not certain of this is because of the 45 minute gap between your kill post and Navizel's prod, but that's still enough time for him to have read your prod request in pm and posted about it when it was the right time. It would've been risky, but not devastatingly so. The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment. Which isn't a big deal - you could find someone else to lynch and then nightkill me (if you really wanted to get rid of me) instead.

I know it may seem a bit far fetched but it looks like an allround good move to make, scum or town, so I want to see if it's possible to anonymously request a prod in pm to the mod. If so, then I'm fairly certain this was a move on your part (because it means that Navizel indeed didn't prod rEdo on his own, it seems kinda odd to me that he'd post the prod so soon out of his own accord. It's more like someone was waiting for that prod - not entirely impossible that Navizel was waiting, but it seems more unlikely to me than someone else waiting for a reason), and you'll get right up there on my list along with SNB. If not, then you're most certainly town trying to figure out my alignment.

Anyone making an obvtown move should be doublechecked for their motives imo. And I think this is a pretty good way of checking it without consulting the person in question.
Topic Starter
Navizel
????????

There's no death scene to be posted
Nyxa
@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM, anonymously?
Topic Starter
Navizel

Tess wrote:

@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
You can.
Drezi

Tess wrote:

Also I agree that Navizel could've waited a bit.

Tess wrote:

at the same time preventing me from confirming I'm town, by an accident on the mod's behalf.

The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment.
I think you're just mad that you didn't realize it was a fakekill before Navi's post and missed the chance to act town.

But a towny reaction most certainly would not have proven your alignment, as it can be easily faked too, so this whole scenario of me requesting a prod to prevent that is just silly. Navi can confirm I had not requested a prod anyway.
Nyxa

Navizel wrote:

Tess wrote:

@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
You can.
Vote: Drezi

Drezi wrote:

I think you're just mad that you didn't realize it was a fakekill before Navi's post and missed the chance to act town.

But a towny reaction most certainly would not have proven your alignment, as it can be easily faked too, so this whole scenario of me requesting a prod to prevent that is just silly. Navi can confirm I had not requested a prod anyway.
Not really, if it could that easily be faked you wouldn't have had a reason to pull that move as town. You know I'm inexperienced, you know I would've assumed I were dead. This is just you trying to escape looking scum. It most certainly would have confirmed my alignment, if I were scum I would've admitted it right there and you know it.

You're scum.
Drezi
If you gave in, it would've confirmed you as scum yes. If you acted towny it wouldn't have made you a conftown, we would've analyzed the reaction to determine if it's genuine or not. Anyone can tell you that.

@mod: please confirm I have not requested a prod, lol.
fartownik
Okay that's it.

[b]Vote: Tess[b]
fartownik
Goddamn it phone
Nyxa
Please explain why you didn't pull that move before voting me if you didn't do it solely to look towny.
fartownik
Vote: Tess
Nyxa
farto, might you explain why?

Also,

@Mod: Can we get a votecount?
Topic Starter
Navizel

Votecount 1.11
fartownik -
Drezi -
Tess (5) - Frostings, Zexion, Drezi, Amianki, fartownik L-2
Irreversible -
-[Jess]- -
rEdo (1) - - Magic Bomb -
Ace Timing (1) - -[Jess]-
Zexion -
- Magic Bomb - -
Frostings -
Amianki -
Static Noise Bird (1) - rEdo

Not Voting: Tess, Ace Timing, Static Noise Bird, Irreversible

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline will be on July 25 8:30PM GMT -5. This is 4 days from now.

Let me know if I made any mistakes.
fartownik
I just saw Drezi's move as a purely Town one, voting him for that is extremely far-fetched and you use that to drag the atyention away from yourself . Not to mention Drezi has pointed ot how your posts after that fakekill don't really make sense. I'm just fed up with this and the time has finally come to lynch you.

Also Navizel, please do the votecounts more frequently, even if there were no new votes added. Its a pain to dig through walls of text looking for the latest votecount, especially on mobile.
-[Jess]-
@Mod my vote is on another game.i don't vote in this game
-[Jess]-
*didn't vote in this game yet
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