umIrreversible wrote:
Oh man, that green marking is really suspicious, which makes me really sad .. I had a good feeling about her being town, but now I'm really not sure anymore.
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This is scum that thinks they got caught for the wrong reason and is trying to flail their way out of it.Tess wrote:
Because it's lying to say something you're not thinking for the sake of consistency. And I was continuously being pressured into proving I'm not scum, thanks to having started with a pretty bad move that's what led to all of this. It doesn't matter if I'm honest or not at this point, you guys think I'm scum, period. And I can't do any reads because anything I say about anyone will be "me trying to squeeze myself out of scum"
So, basically, I fucked up, and now I can't contribute to the game anymore. So it'd be better to take the lynch, even though town won't get much information out of it. They'll probably just go "Oh well she was just playing bad I guess" and ignore any of my reads. Maybe you'd become suspicious, SNB, but I can't really see how else things will go at the moment.
I constantly had to correct false interpretations and/or reword/explain my statements, which goes to show that I just didn't make them correctly. Scum (which I assume is you) saw that as a perfect opportunity to jump on, and the constant questioning leading in various directions, and multiple questions about the same thing under various contexts, led to me making "contradictory" posts.
The only way I'd be taken seriously again is if any one of my main reads (namely you or farto) has a big enough scumslip to convince the rest of town that my reads weren't that off. But I don't see that happening anytime soon, so, I realize I fucked up and if I get lynched over that then so be it. I'm still thoroughly convinced that at least two of the people pushing me are scum, and you're one of them.
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The color was in the same sentence and I was tired. Is it really that big of a deal? In my last game I was Sora, which was written in blue (I can't use that here because it's the same color mod uses), and I wrote it in color for the same reasons.
My role doesn't have any colourTess wrote:
The color was in the same sentence and I was tired. Is it really that big of a deal? In my last game I was Sora, which was written in blue (I can't use that here because it's the same color mod uses), and I wrote it in color for the same reasons.
Irreversible wrote:
Oh man, that green marking is really suspicious, which makes me really sad .. I had a good feeling about her being town, but now I'm really not sure anymore.
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I can kind of understand why it looks forced but as I said I didn't even think it would matter. If you read the damn thread I'll be asking Drezi whether he wants "pokemon and ability" or either of the two. He says pokemon doesn't matter so I just added it there, and with a color because of how I remembered the sentence. Now out of all things I said you're using a single word out of one post to suspect me.fartownik wrote:
I want to see what she has to say about this.
If I thought it would matter I wouldn't have used the fucking color because it's so arbitrary and useless that it can't really be seen as a clumsy townslip. It's a damn color, it does absolutely nothing to prove my alignment either way. The only reason I used it was because I remembered that color had something to do with names in the last game. So, back then, I got a pm like:
You are Sora from the orange team(It was actually blue team last game, but I didn't use that since it's against the rules)
And all I did was assume it was the same here. I remembered green in the same sentence as the name of my pokemon and I was fucking tired when writing it but didn't want to keep people waiting.
If you don't want to unvote me that's fine. I don't think lynching me would benefit town at all right now, but I don't know how to convince anyone of that either at this point. Whenever I comply with what someone asks, someone points out something I didn't think was fucking important at the time of writing it, so whatever. I'll just keep playing and see what happens.Frostings wrote:
I was actually starting to think about unvoting Tess, but this is a good point that I would have missed.
Tess' role is provable, though it's not alignment-indicative, so not sure what we could do. For now, it remains, and I'm gonna read the posts more carefully later
Read above, it's referring to the last game, which was the first game I played, which was still fresh in my mind. In that game it didn't fucking matter if you showed a color or not because it said nothing about your alignment. That's why I didn't care. This was a roleclaim and I just added the pokemon there because why notAce Timing wrote:
My role doesn't have any colourTess wrote:
The color was in the same sentence and I was tired. Is it really that big of a deal? In my last game I was Sora, which was written in blue (I can't use that here because it's the same color mod uses), and I wrote it in color for the same reasons.
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rEdo has been prodded.
Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.
A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
My suspicion on SNB still stands. I'm starting to think farto is just aggressive town, and my suspicion of Drezi is increasing again.
You sure?Drezi wrote:
lol, well just go ahead and lynch Tess then
I will use doublevote if half of everyone say yes
Nice try, but it got ruined by NavizelDrezi wrote:
Kill: Tess
Funny that Tess didn't react to that at all.@Tess: eh, that color thing HAD TO be examined. If you don't want to be treated like this, think before doing stuff like that, simple. It looked quite suspicious from every angle you take as Town and leaving it unanswered was just unsatisfying.
May I know what exactly do you mean by this?Amianki wrote:
This combined with the associative tell he dropped with Jess on the last page makes me sliiiiiightly more okay with a Jess lynch.fartownik wrote:
Also I just noticed Ace Timing has no scumreads (besides null-scum Tess) after reading the whole thread at once. Weird.
07-20 07:25 UTCNavizel wrote:
3.2) If you do not post in the thread for 24 hours, you are eligable for a prod PM. Players may request a prod if another player hasn't posted in that time.
07-21 07:18 UTCrEdo wrote:
You're right. I just honestly answered Zexion's question, though. Never planned on indirectly saying that I'm not scum, I just used a sentence that seemed natural to me.
So yeah, prodding rEdo BEFORE the deadline without anyone even asking must have been of utmost importance, when you see it influences gameplay.Navizel wrote:
rEdo has been prodded.
I understand it had to be examined, I was more surprised by that, of all things, being Irre's reason to suspect me. There are far better reasons to suspect me than a color.fartownik wrote:
@Tess: eh, that color thing HAD TO be examined. If you don't want to be treated like this, think before doing stuff like that, simple. It looked quite suspicious from every angle you take as Town and leaving it unanswered was just unsatisfying.
One simply can't find logic in Irre's thoughts.Tess wrote:
I understand it had to be examined, I was more surprised by that, of all things, being Irre's reason to suspect me. There are far better reasons to suspect me than a color.fartownik wrote:
@Tess: eh, that color thing HAD TO be examined. If you don't want to be treated like this, think before doing stuff like that, simple. It looked quite suspicious from every angle you take as Town and leaving it unanswered was just unsatisfying.
So what's with this reply. Wasn't this a reaction to the kill?Tess wrote:
Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.
A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
Also what about the "Am I the only one seeing this".
As for the green color, I didn't even want to mention it, because apparently Tess (and possibly Ace) harping on our fears of confbiasing here works to some extent and I wanted to see if others would think the same of it.
Also this might be far-fetched but could this mean a TessJess team, considering our latest Jesshunting attempts?-[Jess]- wrote:
You sure?
I will use doublevote if half of everyone say yes
It was. It's basically me saying "I know I played bad but you took it too far."Drezi wrote:
So what's with this reply. Wasn't this a reaction to the kill?Tess wrote:
Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.
A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
This was actually a misunderstanding on my part regarding the posts you were directing at Jess. At first I was like "wtf", but then I realized that that's a pretty good move to figure out her alignment, so I decided to not mention it anymore so as to not get in the way of what you were doing. I've already made enough fuckups this game, don't want to get in the way of something good.Drezi wrote:
Also what about the "Am I the only one seeing this".
I'm not sure what you mean by this.Drezi wrote:
As for the green color, I didn't even want to mention it, because apparently Tess (and possibly Ace) harping on our fears of confbiasing here works to some extent and I wanted to see if others would think the same of it.
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Could you explain this, please? I forgot about it but I still don't get why you said this. It was right after a post of my own.Drezi wrote:
lol, well just go ahead and lynch Tess then
Also, Jess's "50/50" still bothers me. Both because that's mathematically wrong, and because I don't see why any town would say such a thing. But if Jess were scum my own hypotheses and gut feels make a whole lot less sense.
I'm also still not sure about what to think of Ace Timing. He seems pretty towny to me so far but I don't want to assume too quickly. I still haven't done a thorough reread of the thread because I'm a lazy bitch, but what do you guys think of him?
I just saw the roleblocker claim, and it's the most common scum power role, while possible isn't too typical for town, I thought you didn't know that or something, but it's not relevant anymore after Navi confirmed roles were given before alignments.
Ah, makes sense. I wondered if it could stop a nightkill but then realized that that wouldn't make much sense, which made this practically useless. I'll still target any player I suspect at night though, provided I even make it past the first day.
But I just don't get it. That's what I thought but it doesn't make sense to say, coming after Navi's post, like at all.Tess wrote:
It was.
It looks like what was meant to be a townie reaction to the kill and you just decided to post it anyway after you realized you're not actually dead.
I actually originally thought Navizel had posted the prod without checking your post first, and was expecting him to post my death anytime soon. I wanted to say what I could before that happened.
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07-21 07:46 UTCNavizel wrote:
rEdo has been prodded.
Tess wrote:
Ha, alright. Goes to show that once people become suspicious of someone they'll find every excuse to fuel their suspicions rather than examining things closely and paying attention to what matters.
A friendly reminder that this whole thing was born from nothing but me not saying much, and was fueled by suspicions based as much on hunches as mine were.
I think you're scum.Tess wrote:
I actually originally thought Navizel had posted the prod without checking your post first, and was expecting him to post my death anytime soon. I wanted to say what I could before that happened.
I know you do. I have no way to prove that I posted right after I read the post, so
@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
Depending on the answer, you're town, or scum. And if you're scum, then farto is town.
It doesn't matter Navi's post said "POSTED HALF AN HOUR AGO".Tess wrote:
I have no way to prove that I posted right after I read the post
That doesn't exempt Navizel from having a reason to post about my death later? People also have lives beside this, you know.
How so?Tess wrote:
Depending on the answer, you're town, or scum.
Because it'd be a pretty smart move to PM your prod request to Navizel right after posting that fake kill. It makes you look town, while at the same time preventing me from confirming I'm town, by an accident on the mod's behalf. As you posted yourself, that prod was too early, but not too early to prevent a prod request. A few minutes shouldn't matter.
But, judging by that timing, the fact that you could've fakekilled me much sooner to get that information out of me (there were far better reasons to do that before rEdo got prodded), it's not very weird to think you may have been waiting for the right opportunity to pull such a move. Which would be a brilliant move as scum. If you already know I'm town, you wouldn't pull a move such as fakekilling me right after learning my role, because my reaction to that would obviously be town, which would benefit town but not scum. On the other hand, if a mod post happens not long after your post that doesn't include my death, then yeah, I pretty much lose all opportunity to definitively prove I'm town, and you appear to be a townie who was legit trying to figure out someone's alignment.
The only reason I'm not certain of this is because of the 45 minute gap between your kill post and Navizel's prod, but that's still enough time for him to have read your prod request in pm and posted about it when it was the right time. It would've been risky, but not devastatingly so. The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment. Which isn't a big deal - you could find someone else to lynch and then nightkill me (if you really wanted to get rid of me) instead.
I know it may seem a bit far fetched but it looks like an allround good move to make, scum or town, so I want to see if it's possible to anonymously request a prod in pm to the mod. If so, then I'm fairly certain this was a move on your part (because it means that Navizel indeed didn't prod rEdo on his own, it seems kinda odd to me that he'd post the prod so soon out of his own accord. It's more like someone was waiting for that prod - not entirely impossible that Navizel was waiting, but it seems more unlikely to me than someone else waiting for a reason), and you'll get right up there on my list along with SNB. If not, then you're most certainly town trying to figure out my alignment.
Anyone making an obvtown move should be doublechecked for their motives imo. And I think this is a pretty good way of checking it without consulting the person in question.
But, judging by that timing, the fact that you could've fakekilled me much sooner to get that information out of me (there were far better reasons to do that before rEdo got prodded), it's not very weird to think you may have been waiting for the right opportunity to pull such a move. Which would be a brilliant move as scum. If you already know I'm town, you wouldn't pull a move such as fakekilling me right after learning my role, because my reaction to that would obviously be town, which would benefit town but not scum. On the other hand, if a mod post happens not long after your post that doesn't include my death, then yeah, I pretty much lose all opportunity to definitively prove I'm town, and you appear to be a townie who was legit trying to figure out someone's alignment.
The only reason I'm not certain of this is because of the 45 minute gap between your kill post and Navizel's prod, but that's still enough time for him to have read your prod request in pm and posted about it when it was the right time. It would've been risky, but not devastatingly so. The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment. Which isn't a big deal - you could find someone else to lynch and then nightkill me (if you really wanted to get rid of me) instead.
I know it may seem a bit far fetched but it looks like an allround good move to make, scum or town, so I want to see if it's possible to anonymously request a prod in pm to the mod. If so, then I'm fairly certain this was a move on your part (because it means that Navizel indeed didn't prod rEdo on his own, it seems kinda odd to me that he'd post the prod so soon out of his own accord. It's more like someone was waiting for that prod - not entirely impossible that Navizel was waiting, but it seems more unlikely to me than someone else waiting for a reason), and you'll get right up there on my list along with SNB. If not, then you're most certainly town trying to figure out my alignment.
Anyone making an obvtown move should be doublechecked for their motives imo. And I think this is a pretty good way of checking it without consulting the person in question.
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You can.Tess wrote:
@Mod: Can a prod be requested in PM to the mod as well?
Tess wrote:
Also I agree that Navizel could've waited a bit.
I think you're just mad that you didn't realize it was a fakekill before Navi's post and missed the chance to act town.Tess wrote:
at the same time preventing me from confirming I'm town, by an accident on the mod's behalf.
The only thing that would've happened if I posted before Navizel's prod would be that people would've known my alignment.
But a towny reaction most certainly would not have proven your alignment, as it can be easily faked too, so this whole scenario of me requesting a prod to prevent that is just silly. Navi can confirm I had not requested a prod anyway.