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Why is There No 7K Being Ranked?

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Aqo
2,710 posts
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Topic Starter
Aqo
Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
Jinjin
891 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin

Aqo wrote:

Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
4K is definitely more popular than 7K on mania. But I agree, I want to see more 7K maps ranked.
Kamikaze
2,898 posts
Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

Aqo wrote:

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes
h-hey there, I feel sad now
Elementaires
658 posts
Joined January 2013
Elementaires
rank my map

-Kamikaze- wrote:

#rankhardermaps2015 project vol.36
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Aqo wrote:

Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
Yeah, I've noticed a very sharp decline in 7k maps being ranked lately. This is one reason I've been playing mania less lately. Sure, 4k is still fun for me, but 7k is my main mode.
Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek
2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!
Jinjin
891 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!
inb4 9k time
Elementaires
658 posts
Joined January 2013
Elementaires
end time
[Crz]Player
228 posts
Joined September 2011
[Crz]Player

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4=7-3k time
2016- = 7-3-3=1k= jackhammer time :P its arithmetic decrease
Jinjin
891 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin

ATTang wrote:

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4=7-3k time
2016- = 7-3-3=1k= jackhammer time :P its arithmetic decrease
Define {a_n} = 7-3×(n-1)
Where n = ceiling(year-2013.5) (year > 2013.5), n = 1 (2013 < year ≤ 2013.5)

Negative keys incoming (sun)(sun)
Kamikaze
2,898 posts
Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!
ALL OF MY YES
on a more serious note, it's hard to get a certain keymode ranked if nobody mods it
for example if you'd have the exact same map in 4k, 7k and 9k, you'd take for example 2 months to rank 4k, 5 months to rank 7k and god knows how long to rank 9k. It's stupid, but that's the reality
Especially when you want to rank an non-4/7K marathon, that's total pain in the ass
JamesHappy
679 posts
Joined January 2014
JamesHappy
rank mine also

I agree with this. Tbh i had enough of those 4k only mapsets. i know some of you don't agree with this, but remember this is osumania, not a just "4K only" game mode. I would love to play the mapset if they included another keymode for wider audience. Also i would like to see some rank maps that has at least two key modes.
Valedict
242 posts
Joined April 2013
Valedict
stepmania
Charles445
Elite Mapper II: Aspirant / osu! Paragon
2,881 posts
Joined March 2009
Charles445
I feel like there aren't as many 7K maps in pending (from what I've seen), 4K is really popularly mapped right now.
I would like to see more 7K, not sure how to go about it, though.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Charles445 wrote:

I feel like there aren't as many 7K maps in pending (from what I've seen), 4K is really popularly mapped right now.
I would like to see more 7K, not sure how to go about it, though.
Yeah, there's a decline in the number of people trying to rank 7k maps in the first place. The problem with getting mods is most likely a very big contributor to that. The other issue is that since 4k serves as the introduction to mania for new players playing autoconverts (which let's face it, is where the vast majority of new mania players will start) many players are learning 4k immediately and then simply ignoring the other key modes, or claiming that they are too hard to learn. Since some of these new players will begin learning to map, and few mappers will try to map key modes they can't even play, it makes sense that there would be an increase in 4k mapping over 7k.

I've been thinking that it would be nice if mod queues got an overhaul... Currently it's a pain to try to find a mod queue that will accept certain kinds of maps. I was thinking it would be cool if there was a way to filter queues by mode, mania key modes, and accepted song length, and such. And allowing for a better way to specify if a queue is opened or closed at the time would be good.

At least it would take less time to look through queues if that were a thing. I'd bet some people would be more motivated to check for open queues more often too.
Starry-
osu! Alumni
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Joined December 2012
Starry-
You need to realise that BNs and modders aren't 'intentionally' ignoring 7K maps at all - the issue is based mainly because people have just stopped making legible 7K mapsets at all for rank recently.

Through my experience as a BN a few months ago the huge majority of things that were requested to me were all 4K mapsets.
4K is definitely the easiest mode to map to a rankable standard, and as a result, we have more 4K maps in pending. This means modders and BNs alike are more accustomed to, and more experienced with handling 4K mapsets simply because there are lots more of them.

If you want to see more 7K mapsets being ranked, then simply more 7K mapsets needs to be mapped first. Then hopefully we'll see more modders being more experienced with 7K mapsets, and as a result, more 7K mapsets are ranked. Pretty simple really, but everyone needs to play their part.
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze
The issue isn't BN part of modding phase
the issue is everything apart from that in modding phase
we can't really call BNs after we get 2 mods becacuse nobody mods 7k can we?
Starry-
osu! Alumni
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Starry-
I mentioned the BNs and modders together as I was talking about the whole modding phase generally - not only the BNs.
Basically, if more people map 7K, more people will be experienced in modding 7K. The issue really is the lack of 7K mapsets in pending right now.
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze
Lack of 7K mapsets also (and imo mainly) comes from mappers just giving up on ranking their stuff beause of how the system works
Starry-
osu! Alumni
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Starry-
Well if the majority of 7K mappers 'give up' then how on earth are we going to get 7K mapsets ranked at all?
At first it will be hard, of course - until a cycle is maintained where more modders are more exposed and experienced in keymodes other than 4K. But that cycle can only be maintained if more people upload 7K mapsets. There is no other way. You can't just *force* modders to magically become good at modding 7K and willing to mod 7K mapsets.

It's really as simple as that, unless you're willing to share any other ideas.
IamBaum
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Joined August 2013
IamBaum
Well It's true that most current Maps are 4K atm, but i'd still not consider 2015 as the "4K time", we still have less than half 4K - 4Star+ maps, than 7k - 4Star+ maps.
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Even though the most mapsets are 4k right now, most of the 7k players here wouldn't even touch most of them anyway due to the lack of difficulty.

I think it's a good thing for 4k to finally get some more "hard maps", cause the 4k community still has way less maps than the 7k one.

But plz... screw 4k and 7k, gimme some DP maps :(
Todestrieb
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Joined February 2014
Todestrieb
Osu! need more .pms
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Starry- wrote:

Well if the majority of 7K mappers 'give up' then how on earth are we going to get 7K mapsets ranked at all?
Figure out why they're giving up and try to fix things maybe?

Starry- wrote:

At first it will be hard, of course - until a cycle is maintained where more modders are more exposed and experienced in keymodes other than 4K. But that cycle can only be maintained if more people upload 7K mapsets.
We had people who could mod 7k. Hell, I think the majority of people who came to mania in the first year focused on 7k. It's not that 7k has never had a chance to get a foothold, but that the whole system has caused many of them to leave or quit mapping for one reason or another. Two of my favorite 7k mappers have essentially stopped mapping since they became BN, so there's that too.

Starry- wrote:

It's really as simple as that, unless you're willing to share any other ideas.
Maybe you could comment on my previous post, in which I pointed out at least one minor idea that could make things just that much easier to find mods.
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

IamBaum wrote:

Well It's true that most current Maps are 4K atm, but i'd still not consider 2015 as the "4K time", we still have less than half 4K - 4Star+ maps, than 7k - 4Star+ maps.
Invalid argument. Star rating is underrating hard 4k unless aiae and overrating hard 7k unless mass of noodles
#thread I'm trying to get more mapsets ranked on keymodes that don't get any love, that is 5k,6k,8k and 9k, but it's just so goddamn hard that it brought me on verge of quitting countless times. Most of them were on my only attempt and ranking hard-ish 7K marathon (you know which one). And I can't imagine how shitty it had to be in the early days. That's why I'm not surprised that most of them quitted.
Aqo
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Topic Starter
Aqo
I just went over the first two pages of pending and all the pending mania mapset is 4K ahhhh this is making me die inside

there needs to be separate queues based on game modes and key modes ;-;

7K Mapsets fished from pending:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295703 BlackY - Harpuia [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328466 TREKKIE TRAX - Bright (Sushi Killer Remix) [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307175 penoreri - Everlasting Message [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/324288 xi - ANiMA [6 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307328 orangentle / Yu_Asahina - HAELEQUIN [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326785 Silent Siren - Hapimari [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310699 Shiraishi - Shinsei Taiju [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/194539 Mary - Artificial Rose [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/318277 Sakuzyo - Imprinting [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310656 CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Ai no Scenario [2 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/210610 xi - Garyou Tensei [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/297478 xi - FREEDOM DiVE [???]

this took going over 10 pages. bleh. if we had a separate sorting per game mode and separate for each key mode in mania this wouldn't be so hard to find. ffs.

and why is everybody naming their diffs like SDVX wtf
and wow, for every one 7K there were like 20 4K mapsets. the situation is worse than I thought.

people here are right that autoconverts are part of the problem. the game does a poor job of introducing new players into 7K mode.
starting to give up. osu is a 4k game now...
DJPop
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DJPop
How about creating a 7K mapping contest? Winner (or even 2nd/3rd) gets reward like title/supporter.
That should encourage people to map in 7k mode more, or at least try to create one.
And since not many people mapping 7k at the moment, you'll need to set the minimum of contestants.
Kamikaze
2,898 posts
Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

DJPop wrote:

How about creating a 7K mapping contest? Winner (or even 2nd/3rd) gets reward like title/supporter.
That should encourage people to map in 7k mode more, or at least try to create one.
And since not many people mapping 7k at the moment, you'll need to set the minimum of contestants.
Well we actually do have mapping contests and I believe that next one is going to be mania only contest, so I'm looking forward to that.
wouldn't it be op if somebody would map 9k for that and win lol
Arzenvald
4,062 posts
Joined July 2013
Arzenvald
hi, i have around 4 7K set in my pending (and graveyard) map (+1 wip) that doesn't get attention by BAT (in old time) and BNs (nowadays) since... wait..

t/229233 overdrivers, i mapped it since 11 months ago..
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/169043 yakan hikou, more than 1 year ago..
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/300605 opposite world, 3 months ago and..
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/308342 claiomh solais, 2 months ago..

my problem of ranking map long time ago : i can get many 7K modders, yet i can't get BAT attention... sad..
and my problem of ranking map nowadays : there's no 7K modders who do real modding, they are give up on modding because their maps can't get attention from BN... lel sad..

and right now, ranking maps is stupid hard & nonsense, simply most of BN who checks 7K (like me) are rage-quitting, no more active 7K modders around, and old mappers quits this game...

but hey... you can always bribe some BNs & do some circle-jerks to make ranking maps easy... at least it works, even more you can bring unrankable issue through ranked if you lucky enough.. as long as "you map for the music" :V
or at least rank your maps in 2 months or lesser... trust me, it works.... mostly if you have good connection with BN friends and made you involved into a good & peaceful group chat in background..
that's how friendship power works right?


ciao
EtienneXC
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
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EtienneXC

-Tim- wrote:

stepmania
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura

-Kamikaze- wrote:

mappers just giving up on ranking their stuff beause of how the system works
I beg to differ

Seriously though, from my point of view, I'm just noticing a sharp decline in BNs who can effectively deal with 7K and higher keyamounts. But that's just me and my opinion because of a certain map I'm trying to get ranked since... oh well you all know this story anyway.
[Crz]Player
228 posts
Joined September 2011
[Crz]Player
rip 7k its 4k time
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
4k should burn in hell
Valedict
242 posts
Joined April 2013
Valedict

EtienneXC wrote:

-Tim- wrote:

stepmania
-Maus-
571 posts
Joined August 2013
-Maus-

gintoki147 wrote:

4k should burn in hell
Cuppp
113 posts
Joined February 2013
Cuppp
Also if you go to multiplayer there is NEVER 7k rooms anymore. Has been that way for a while
Valedict
242 posts
Joined April 2013
Valedict
4k rejoice in second heaven
Rido
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Rido
Nice strike Usagi O.<)b
Tidek
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Joined March 2011
Tidek
Well, now I see like 4 new 7k beatmaps qualified in 2days + 2 of them are marathons and mapsets with extra difficulties, there is no need to complain lol.
JamesHappy
679 posts
Joined January 2014
JamesHappy
it should be balance though between other keymodes :<
Stefan
Global Moderator
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Stefan
It's up to the community, not by the BNG. You have the choice what and how something can be ranked.
Julie
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Joined March 2013
Julie
Osu mania need more 7k/7+1k/9k!! PLEASE!!! :D!!
PyaKura
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Joined January 2013
PyaKura

Stefan wrote:

It's up to the community, not by the BNG. You have the choice what and how something can be ranked.
Although I agree with this, it is still hard to find BNs capable of checking higher keyamounts nowadays. Some of them just refuse to check because they wanna leave the BNG (I still don't get why they aren't simply allowed to quit if they want to lol, it will save us mappers a shitton of time if we don't ask people who are not willing to be BNs anymore). Last time I tried to get my mapset checked, of all 5 BNs who are supposedly knowledgeable about 7K, 4 of them just didn't feel like doing BN work anymore. I won't reveal any names, and most of them are hardly hidden facts anyway.

edit : I haven't been on for this past week, I have no idea whether we got fresh BNs or not.
-Maus-
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-Maus-
Pya sums it all up in one post
Evening
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Joined December 2012
Evening

PyaKura wrote:

edit : I haven't been on for this past week, I have no idea whether we got fresh BNs or not.
hahahaha


no


(for mania specific)
abraker
Global Moderator
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Joined July 2014
abraker
There doesn't seem to be new 7k mappers (unless I didn't notice). New players are likely to default to 4k if they haven't played beatmania or another rhythm game with 7k beforehand, hence there being more of them. Taking a look, it seems that past 7k mappers are taking time off. A list of them here, with ??? if not sure if they are contributing to the lack of 7k maps or not. This list is based on players that started beatmap projects or are QAT. I did not go through the BN list and may have missed several players, so this may not be accurate. Feel free to add to this:

inactive or partially inactive:active:But there are still 7k maps being ranked. Otherwise, clearly I am imagining stuff!!!
PyaKura
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PyaKura
I'm not sure what your list is worth if it is uncomplete there...
I was not clear enough perhaps, but what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets. None of the sets you've linked there are above 6 stars (nor even 5 stars ???) apart from Achromat which was ranked a while ago, when BNs were still actually somewhat active, and then got unranked for some stupid reason.
abraker
Global Moderator
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Joined July 2014
abraker
I was not clear enough perhaps, but what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.
If you guys are complaining, become BNs. "Simple" as that. Then you guys say: No time, busy irl... *sigh*

PyaKura wrote:

None of the sets you've linked there are above 6 stars (nor even 5 stars ???)
True, I just linked recent ranked/qual 7k. Anyway, 5-6 star charts are above my level so it doesn't affect me that much. I'm actually benefiting from all the 4k maps recently. Oh wait... /me runs
Charles445
Elite Mapper II: Aspirant / osu! Paragon
2,881 posts
Joined March 2009
Charles445

PyaKura wrote:

what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.
I agree with this totally, I try to look at a 17VA set and I'm all like "yo these noodles man, I can't handle these"

Fortunately now's application time, if there's anybody wanting to assist -> t/343642
Bobbias
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Joined March 2011
Bobbias

abraker wrote:

I was not clear enough perhaps, but what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.
If you guys are complaining, become BNs. "Simple" as that. Then you guys say: No time, busy irl... *sigh*

PyaKura wrote:

None of the sets you've linked there are above 6 stars (nor even 5 stars ???)
True, I just linked recent ranked/qual 7k. Anyway, 5-6 star charts are above my level so it doesn't affect me that much. I'm actually benefiting from all the 4k maps recently. Oh wait... /me runs
Telling every person who complains about BNs to become BNs is completely unreasonable. Some people literally do not have the time because of IRL obligations, regardless of whether you accept that as a reason. Beyond that there's the workload of being a BN. Just gonna put this out there, but ExPew has not made many maps since he became BN, and doesnt have anything in pending right now. Listing him as active might not be the best idea.
abraker
Global Moderator
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abraker

Bobbias wrote:

Telling every person who complains about BNs to become BNs is completely unreasonable. Some people literally do not have the time because of IRL obligations, regardless of whether you accept that as a reason.
Understandable. My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

Bobbias wrote:

Just gonna put this out there, but ExPew has not made many maps since he became BN, and doesnt have anything in pending right now. Listing him as active might not be the best idea.
He still helps getting the more complicated 7k maps checked out as a QAT.
Kamikaze
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Kamikaze
abraker and his theories, this is making me sick already...

If you think it's so easy to become a BN try to become one yourself, THEN talk about it.
PyaKura
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Joined January 2013
PyaKura
^

abraker wrote:

My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
yeah sarcasm always has trouble on the interweb
ovnz
321 posts
Joined January 2014
ovnz

-Kamikaze- wrote:

abraker and his theories, this is making me sick already...
^

I don't know if someone already said that but there are also graveyarded maps going to rank, considering that after one month without any changes it gets graveyarded, and without mods you can't really make changes to your maps. I know that there is the "revive button" but it doesn't revive your map for a whole new month.
(it is actually the problem i'm currently having uh)
Hinpoppo
184 posts
Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo
I would love to map this for 7k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S1NmtWDVYk
Too bad I've never mapped before.
DJ Profetti
DJ Profetti
yea so hard to get mods in 7k now, i have waited for three days and no one mod my map.
and those modder who is actually good at mod are totally BN now and they just pay attention in bubble.
we need more modders

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/331795 heres my map and who can help me check it. :o
DanSparce
420 posts
Joined May 2014
DanSparce

Aqo wrote:

Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
ok so personally these are some reasons why more people look for more 4k maps:

Back then there are like more 7k maps than more 4k maps but 4k maps are gaining its popularity (because its easier to learn than 7k but learning 7k is like learning all of the lower keymodes, more finger control) but the thing is people want to see more HARDER ranked maps, most easy maps are just ignored by most people. Players today just care about pp and how to get pp? HARDER MAPS. But 4k is like easier to learn than 7k so thats why people want 4k.

In short, its basically more columns = more notes = more difficulty.
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PyaKura
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PyaKura
Eeeeeh... What ?
Harbyter
Beatmap Nominator
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Harbyter
:V
JamesHappy
679 posts
Joined January 2014
JamesHappy

DanSparce wrote:

Players today just care about pp
Not all players didn't care about the pp. Some players are just want some fun and enjoyable maps to play.

DanSparce wrote:

but i also believe that 7k is becoming unpopular among new players
Some common reasons

  1. Lack of 7K Easy Diffs that are aim for beginners. Some 7K maps have a lowest diff that are 1.6* to 2.0* which is consider pretty hard from beginners POV
  2. Didn't like the 7K mode
  3. Too Lazy to learn 7K
  4. Didn't like to play 7K with spacebar
  5. <insert another reason here>


DanSparce wrote:

I think there should also be more 4k maps
What about the other keymodes like 5K, 6K, 8K, and even the newest and rarest 9K?
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Kamikaze
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Kamikaze
You clearly haven't tried ranking hard 7k, nor do you have any idea what are you talking about.
I wouldn't mind 4k getting more attention if we would have maps for other keymodes and right now we have average 3 7k maps per month, not talking about rest (yes, we had 2 8k maps and one of them having also 4,5,6 & 7K included, but that was the first time ever it happened)
And that's the main reson why I'm currently learning mapping 9K, to try and popularize that keymode
JamesHappy
679 posts
Joined January 2014
JamesHappy

-Kamikaze- wrote:

You clearly haven't tried ranking hard 7k, nor do you have any idea what are you talking about.
If that is pointing on me, then because lack of modders to mod very hard stuff. I am even trying to to get mine rank, but as Pyakura said

Pyakura wrote:

what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.
that's why i almost lose hope to get mine ranked.

EDIT: oh i though you pointing on me /me slapped myself
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Kamikaze
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Kamikaze
That was pointing on dan
Bara-
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Bara-

Aqo wrote:

I just went over the first two pages of pending and all the pending mania mapset is 4K ahhhh this is making me die inside

there needs to be separate queues based on game modes and key modes ;-;

7K Mapsets fished from pending:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295703 BlackY - Harpuia [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328466 TREKKIE TRAX - Bright (Sushi Killer Remix) [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307175 penoreri - Everlasting Message [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/324288 xi - ANiMA [6 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307328 orangentle / Yu_Asahina - HAELEQUIN [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326785 Silent Siren - Hapimari [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310699 Shiraishi - Shinsei Taiju [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/194539 Mary - Artificial Rose [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/318277 Sakuzyo - Imprinting [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310656 CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Ai no Scenario [2 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/210610 xi - Garyou Tensei [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/297478 xi - FREEDOM DiVE [???]

this took going over 10 pages. bleh. if we had a separate sorting per game mode and separate for each key mode in mania this wouldn't be so hard to find. ffs.

and why is everybody naming their diffs like SDVX wtf
and wow, for every one 7K there were like 20 4K mapsets. the situation is worse than I thought.

people here are right that autoconverts are part of the problem. the game does a poor job of introducing new players into 7K mode.
starting to give up. osu is a 4k game now...
If you went over the first 10 pages, how come you not find my set O.o (see signature)

But yeah, this is getting ridiculous
I've been trying to get BN to check my map for over a year (not even kidding) and so far it only had one mod, and one pending mod (on his/her modlist)
3 7k diffs in hybrid set shouldn't be too hard to check right?
Okay, the lowest diff is 3.13 and the highest diff is 5.25, but still
Just because of lack of BN (don't even get me started on taiko) I feel tempted to remove the non-standard diffs so it'll be a standard only spread, which can get ranked in just a few days, as there are a overload of std bn (well, it's also byfar the most mapped mode, but still)
It's a shame 7k gets neglected so much.
I don't play it (stupid middle key), I did play 4-6 (not 5, again due to the middle key)
But I still think 7k should be more popular, especially under modders/BN
-Maus-
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-Maus-
"I don't play 7k but I love it"
DanSparce
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Joined May 2014
DanSparce

-Kamikaze- wrote:

That was pointing on dan
no i haven't but i do play 7k at times to practice my ring fingers and thumb. i do not mind actually having a lot of 7k, but what i meant is that 4k needs a lot more harder maps, because 7k has a lot already
and idk how to map any other key number other than 4k really
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

DanSparce wrote:

idk how to map any other key number other than 4k really
And you just lost an argument there. Learn about the topic you want to discuss before sputing nonsense.
Hinpoppo
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Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo

DanSparce wrote:

but the thing is people want to see more HARDER ranked maps, most easy maps are just ignored by most people. Players today just care about pp and how to get pp? HARDER MAPS. But 4k is like easier to learn than 7k so thats why people want 4k.
Yeah, but look at all of those 7k PP farm maps tho *drools*
I know 0 about mapping, but mapping a good but hard map is a little more "possible" when done in 7k than 4k.
Cause I mean, mindless button mashing in four columns is totes ranked material. (Although IMO it should, cause who cares how stupidly mapped something is aslong as it's fun to play)

IN2k6's lunatic version looks better than the 4k version IMO, in fact, every 7k map looks better. Too bad I can't play any 7k in mania, let alone even touch O2Jam and LR2.
Bobbias
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Joined March 2011
Bobbias
DivinityGate, you could learn to 7k if you really wanted. Spend one week playing only 7k for your entire osu!mania session and see how quickly you improve.

7k actually isn't a lot harder to learn than 4k is when you start out, contrary to popular belief. A very good part of why 7k feels harder is because most people play 4k first. By playing 4k first you only learn to handle 4 columns. Trying to learn 7k after 4k becomes much harder because now you've trained your brain to play 4k and you're trying to use your 4k skills to play 7k, which takes your brain a while to figure out how to adapt. On top of that, since you're aware of how much worse your 7k is than your 4k, 7k feels less fun because you are used to seeing better scores.

You can't compare mapping 7k to mapping 4k. The things you need to pay attention to in your patterns are completely different. The base theory of mapping remains the same (layering is important in both 4k and 7k, etc.) but the kinds of patterns and issues that involve those patterns are completely different. I don't think either is harder than the other when it comes down to creating truly good maps. I think people generally don't understand just what the difference between a 'good' and 'bad' maps is.

IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
DanSparce
420 posts
Joined May 2014
DanSparce

DivinityGate wrote:

I know 0 about mapping, but mapping a good but hard map is a little more "possible" when done in 7k than 4k.

IN2k6's lunatic version looks better than the 4k version IMO, in fact, every 7k map looks better. Too bad I can't play any 7k in mania, let alone even touch O2Jam and LR2.
i agree
Evening
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Joined December 2012
Evening
back to topic :

>le makes hard map in 7k

>le try to rank a map

>Realizes almost half the community only 4ks
>Realizes 50% of the 7k community can't speak english well
>Realizes 90% the 7k community can't testplay your map cause it's too hard
>Realizes a certain group of people can't map hard 7k without it having 0 playability
Sorry, if the map looks good, it doesn't mean that it plays well
>Realizes you have to have playability to rank something
>> OR DO YOU!?!?!?!
>Realizes almost all BNs are not blocko tier to testplay et maps
>>Realizes there is BN score w/e that is
>Realizes there are QATs
>>Realizes subjective opinion comes into play
>Realizes there is ranking criteria
>Realizes a large portion of maps that the community enjoys playing cannot be ranked
>>Realizes dumps are not rankable
>>>Realizes some people like to bash down your map by saying over(INSERT VSRG PATTERN HERE)
>>>>Realizes that is DQ-able
>>>>>Realizes Realizes
>Realizes you can make 10 more maps within the timeframe of ranking a map
>Realizes QATs are also not blocko tier
>Realizes there are little mania modders
>Realizes your map is over 3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues only accept <3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >3:00 drain time
>>Realizes they only accept 4k
>Realizes your map is over 6*
>Realizes most modding queues can only mod effectively until 5*s
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >6*
>>Realizes they are ctb queues
>Realizes (probably) the only thing that will benefit you for the long run in ranking maps is pending slots
>Realizes you can make map packs
>Realizes you're too much of a lazy person to rank hard maps

>stop forcing yourself on ranking maps
>pls enjoy game (and mapping)

hAshtAg r u r u c h i
Elementaires
658 posts
Joined January 2013
Elementaires
map more
mod more
open queues with less restrictions
-> le profit
Hinpoppo
184 posts
Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo

Bobbias wrote:

IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.

I have been playing 7k, and I'm seeing lots of improvement, but I still have trouble playing 7k, mostly LR2 with the scratch note.
Hestia-
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Joined June 2010
Hestia-
holy greentext
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

DivinityGate wrote:

I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209

Also Realization poem by John from #greentext
#united
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