1. Torment (6.83 stars, 2651 notes)

Kite wrote:

[Folder]
Could cut away a bunch of inaudible length from normal-hitfinish5.wav to reduce file size
BG is 1px off but that shouldn't be a big deal I guess

[Torment]
00:29:333 (3,4) - approach circles look fucky here, stack the slider on the circle directly?
00:43:767 (1) - Clap here sounds pretty sweet to me
01:01:008 (1) - ^

I dont even think you can consider this a mod lol..
This map is quality-wise a lot better than your Blind Faith map, neat patterns and good flow.
Great job on this!

Also no kudos

Euny wrote:

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1. 02:09:134 (5,2) - i think these are nc spot. cause new melody started. ummm looks i need make some revision for this
   
2. 02:36:962 (1) - how about change it for 1/3reverse? i think its more fit for music. especially, you using 1/6 sliders for 02:39:331 (1,2) - these. i think this 1/3reverse helps fit their. i think this 1/1 feels good haha
   
3. 02:38:147 (1) - also same as above
4. 03:17:620 (5) - seems nc need to. cause you 03:26:400 (1) - did it. looks 03:20:547 (5,5) - didnt nced and that newcombo means rhythm sound change so i nc it
5. 03:20:547 (5) - ^same reason by above
6. 03:23:474 (5) - ^same reason by above
7. 03:42:864 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4) - really impressive also funny. oh yeah thanks, hope you like this
8. 04:03:900 (2) - add tempo for here (note or 04:03:717 (1) - make this for slider, whatever.) thats more fit for music

hey man.. wow....

hope this is helpful.

Taeyang wrote:

• Torment

1. 00:23:836 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern make consider rhythm like this?
   
   SPOILER

   
   it's a bit too much with no sliders, no warning for the player and its right at the intro
2. 00:26:998 (2) - remove this circle?
3. 00:30:394 (2) - ^
   these are fine, guitar notes are quite audible there
4. 00:31:314 (1,2,3,4) - rhythm
   
   SPOILER

   
5. 00:50:678 (8,1) - i fill hardly 4.2 jump
   wut, i reduced the jump spacing if that's what you meant
6. 00:56:622 (2,3,4) - nazi
   
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   it's low spacing on purpose o.o
7. 01:15:894 (8,9) - so close
   1/6 slider, don't want anything confusing here and nothings wrong with it
8. 05:02:757 (1) - x182 y351
   i like it as it is
9. 05:11:988 (5,6,7,8,1) - wow jump stream but ithink it's unrankable
   wait what why would it be unrankable

Taeyang wrote:

• Torment

1. 02:03:213 (1,2) - blanket you can be better
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 02:05:976 (1,2) - uglyslide? just remove middle anchor lol no pls
3. 02:12:292 (7,1) - blanket
4. 02:11:108 (1,8) -02:10:120 (2) - try stack ummm
5. 02:32:818 - 02:35:186 - here put circle and NC it will be change pattern consistency
6. 02:40:120 (2,3) - triple but i follow drum sound .... maybe next time
   
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7. 02:42:488 (7,8,9) - use same DS
8. 02:59:068 (2,3) - triple too much distance, jump can be harder than triplet i think
9. 03:43:412 (11,12,13) - use same DS

good luck~!

Fort wrote:

00:27:635 (7) - x132y184 to make this thing same like 00:27:776 (8,4) - (it looks cool) i dont get it
00:45:186 (1,2) - swap this patterning can improve guitar sound like this http://puu.sh/iuMNN/97a2db900d.jpg but.. but its correct now like this (same with below ones)
00:45:610 (3,4) - ^
00:46:318 (1,2) - ^
00:46:742 (3,4) - ^ (yeah it feels so different and more readable than previous pattern)

Kuron-kun wrote:

Hey, as requested.

Torment

00:03:154 (8,9) - Isn't a jump here more suitable than an anti-jump? You used a jump here 00:01:336 (8,9) - and here 00:05:200 (9,10) - , and they're pretty much the same sound.
i use a jump when theres 2 strong notes followed by a weaker one 00:01:336 (8,9) -, if there's a strong note followed by a weaker note, i take the weaker one near the strong one and the next strong one is a jump again like before 00:03:154 (8,9,10) -
01:01:412 (5,6,7,1) - Why not a star pattern here like you did before :c
i don't see why would i want literally the same pattern, want some variety
04:14:616 (1,2,3) - Isn't this 1/16? Try listening at 25% playback rate. Imo, this would fit more.
it's not, but it is off, did some red line magic instead

Kuron-kun wrote:

Hey, as requested.

Torment

02:05:976 (1,2) - I don't know if this is just me, but this shape is kinda confusing... it looks like there's something under these sliders and some players can click twice and miss the whole combo. I'd recommend to do the same shape you did with 02:06:371 (3,4) - . fixzed

02:12:292 (7,8) - Since you were using bigger jumps on 02:11:502 (2,3) - , I'd recommend you to increase the DS between (7) and (8), since there's a real strong beat there. Stacking (8) on (3) would be nice. fixzed

03:07:752 (1,2) - Maybe you could put (1) closer to (2) to help on readability, since on this section you were using 1/1 breaks, players might get confused due to the sudden 1/2. im sure pro players can read that pattern since mazzerin part full of deathstream pattern and much jumps than my part, so i keep this :3

03:09:331 (4) - Wouldn't be better to stack this on 03:09:528 (1) - ? In my opinion, the flow would be a lot better. Plus, since the strong beat is on this note, would be nice to add a jump. oh that pattern, im sure it feels good to because im using upbeat pattern so if you click it probably strong sound will appear and makes you move to 03:09:528 (1) - (and i think if i move 03:09:331 (4) - to 03:09:528 (1) - it will be easy to catch)

03:18:352 (7,8) - These circles are too close to each other, and since you weren't using this kind of pattern, this could be very confusing. You should try something like this. If you accepted my suggestion, do the same here 03:21:278 (7,8,7,8) - . i call this downbeat antijump, same techniques on Divinity map, yeah its easy to read since that part is slow part

1. 00:01:336 (8,9,10) - 00:03:154 (8,9,10) - 00:04:972 (8,9,10) - We discussed this via IRC.
   
   
2. 00:12:245 (4,5,6) - Take care when you use spacing like the one used in here, since it can cause you lots of issues related to inconsistency. For example, in this first pattern you are using the distance between (5,6) it is 4,66x. Then in 00:14:063 (4,5,6) - the distance is 4,86x, this means that you are increasing it by a few pixels. After that, in 00:16:109 (5,6) - you increase a little bit more the distance, which I don't consider something bad, though it's still a bit too much for the beginning of a song. Buuut what happens then? 00:17:700 (4,5,6) - the distance gets reduced for no apparent reason, why?
   I'd also recommend you to look at the following circle of each section (1) because the distances are inconsistents as well.
   
   
3. 00:28:130 (2,3) - I'm still wondering why you added so much spacing right here. The accentuation isn't that big in the music to make spaced triplets.
   
   
4. 00:31:031 (7) - NC could work here since there's a pause before the vocal starts singing again + the music changes completely.
   
   
5. 00:34:710 - This is sick, probably the best made-up stream I've ever seen.
   
   
6. 00:42:069 (1) - Move it a few pixels below, so it won't stack with the stream, it looks quite ugly as it's right now.
   
   
7. 00:49:900 (2,3) - Same as explained before, and especially THESE ones in where you are changing the direction of the triplets, it doesn't look like one.
   
   
8. 01:11:824 (6) - Why the spacing is SOOOOO big? You're not even hitsounding this circle and you are pointing it out like if it were a super important beat or note to emphasise. I'd just make a triangle in this section, take into account that if you are making a jump of 3,56x in (4,5) because you want to emphasise the THREE hitsounds that (5) has, then you just can't gainsay with (6). This is quite counterintuitive.
   
   
9. 01:34:237 (11,12) - This is like the most annoying pattern in the whole map. Discussed via IRC.
   
   
10. 02:06:766 (1) - THIS ISN'T PROPERLY SNAPPED AAAAAAAAAAAAAA. BY 1 FUC- MS.
    
    
11. 02:05:976 (1,2,3,4) - You could add Whistle here, so it'd fit with the guitar better.
    
    
12. 02:08:542 (2,3,4) - This jumps are even bigger than Mazzerin's when the beats are really really low. The spacing is too large when it is the calm part, which is not suitable. so I recommend you to decrease the spacing in this two jumps as it contradictable with the music.
    
    
13. 02:43:673 (2,3,4) - This is ALMOST touching the HP bar. You really want to move it below.
    
    
14. 03:07:949 (2) - Minor thing, change it for whistle. Clap doesn't fit at all with the beat.
    
    
15. 05:16:747 - I don't know who mapped thing, but I'd STRONGLY recommend you to put some sliders in the middle of the stream, this will only lead players to waste all their stamina, and probably most of them will fail due to this part. Yes, this is just me being salty because I failed in this part, but this can be perfectly avoided, in my honest opinion. I mean... 23 seconds it's A LOT.
    
    
16. 05:43:430 (1,2,3,4) - Remember when I said about the annoying pattern? Don't mind me.

Yuii- wrote:

1. 00:01:336 (8,9,10) - 00:03:154 (8,9,10) - 00:04:972 (8,9,10) - We discussed this via IRC.
   yeah fixed
   
2. 00:12:245 (4,5,6) - Take care when you use spacing like the one used in here, since it can cause you lots of issues related to inconsistency. For example, in this first pattern you are using the distance between (5,6) it is 4,66x. Then in 00:14:063 (4,5,6) - the distance is 4,86x, this means that you are increasing it by a few pixels. After that, in 00:16:109 (5,6) - you increase a little bit more the distance, which I don't consider something bad, though it's still a bit too much for the beginning of a song. Buuut what happens then? 00:17:700 (4,5,6) - the distance gets reduced for no apparent reason, why?
   I'd also recommend you to look at the following circle of each section (1) because the distances are inconsistents as well.
   yeah made 3x>4.2x>3.8x~ accordingly for 4,5 5,6 and 6,1
   
3. 00:28:130 (2,3) - I'm still wondering why you added so much spacing right here. The accentuation isn't that big in the music to make spaced triplets.
   okay yeah reduced
   
4. 00:31:031 (7) - NC could work here since there's a pause before the vocal starts singing again + the music changes completely.
   hmm nah i consistently ncd the section on downbeats, like here too 00:33:295 (5) - on the same part
   
5. 00:34:710 - This is sick, probably the best made-up stream I've ever seen.
   oh what thanks : o
   
6. 00:42:069 (1) - Move it a few pixels below, so it won't stack with the stream, it looks quite ugly as it's right now.
   aha moved stream up, changed stream before to reduce spacing between the stream that is moved up now, and slightly moved the sliders so it doesnt look ugly
   
7. 00:49:900 (2,3) - Same as explained before, and especially THESE ones in where you are changing the direction of the triplets, it doesn't look like one.
   ok reduced spacing
   
8. 01:11:824 (6) - Why the spacing is SOOOOO big? You're not even hitsounding this circle and you are pointing it out like if it were a super important beat or note to emphasise. I'd just make a triangle in this section, take into account that if you are making a jump of 3,56x in (4,5) because you want to emphasise the THREE hitsounds that (5) has, then you just can't gainsay with (6). This is quite counterintuitive.
   yeah, reduced spacing and made it a triangle, only left the 5 to emphasize it
   
9. 01:34:237 (11,12) - This is like the most annoying pattern in the whole map. Discussed via IRC.
   yep fixed so it doesn't overlap like that
   
10. 02:06:766 (1) - THIS ISN'T PROPERLY SNAPPED AAAAAAAAAAAAAA. BY 1 FUC- MS.
    its peppys fault
    
11. 02:05:976 (1,2,3,4) - You could add Whistle here, so it'd fit with the guitar better.
    yep done
    
12. 02:08:542 (2,3,4) - This jumps are even bigger than Mazzerin's when the beats are really really low. The spacing is too large when it is the calm part, which is not suitable. so I recommend you to decrease the spacing in this two jumps as it contradictable with the music.
    this ones for fort
    
13. 02:43:673 (2,3,4) - This is ALMOST touching the HP bar. You really want to move it below.
    and this
    
14. 03:07:949 (2) - Minor thing, change it for whistle. Clap doesn't fit at all with the beat.
    yes okay
    
15. 05:16:747 - I don't know who mapped thing, but I'd STRONGLY recommend you to put some sliders in the middle of the stream, this will only lead players to waste all their stamina, and probably most of them will fail due to this part. Yes, this is just me being salty because I failed in this part, but this can be perfectly avoided, in my honest opinion. I mean... 23 seconds it's A LOT.
    NOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NOOOOOOO AHHAHAHAHUSUHAHUSDASD
    
16. 05:43:430 (1,2,3,4) - Remember when I said about the annoying pattern? Don't mind me.
    I LOVE BIG SQUARES

You can call me back in a couple of days once you have get a few mods.
Oh, by the way. FANTASTIC hitsounding work.

pkhg wrote:

i said i wont mod this, idk what im doing here
wut i never requested a mod from you, thanks

[Torment]

00:23:609 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - its better if you make this clickable 00:24:404 - the pattern will be less confusing if you do it
that would be even more confusing because then there would be a 1/4 space between 00:24:404 - and 00:24:518 but 1/8 on the next note
00:26:786 (1,2) - reduce the spacing a bit cuz its almost the same spacing you used here 00:28:342 (4,5) - players might hit (5) 1/4 earlier, or add a circle here 00:28:554 - theres guitar strings oridkhowtocallthem
increased spacing on 00:28:625 (5,6,7,8) - instead
04:58:141 (4,1) - reduce the spacing and remove nc from (1), its still a part of the prev pattern
changed so it focuses on guitars nc-wise like on the other 1/2s, spacing still fits
05:00:449 (5) - a circle works better to emphasize the drums, also theres no sound where the slider ends
circle instead of slider now
05:11:122 (1,2) - you can space them a bit more. will be easier to read
everything in that section is pretty low spaced including that, i don't think it is very 'challenging' to read
05:14:151 (6,7) - reduce spacing for the sake of readability \o/
yeahh slightly

idk what im doing

good luck o/

pkhg wrote:

i said i wont mod this, idk what im doing here probably this song didnt lose your sanity xD and you're doing right but idk ayy lamo

[Torment]
02:14:660 (4,5) - maybe unstack them cuz you didnt have done it here 02:19:200 (3,4,5) - and the music have the same pitch :p i dont have an idea RIP inspiration D:
02:30:844 (2,3) - the music isnt strong enough for a jump like that imo
02:54:528 (9,10) - ^
03:04:298 - add circle? why? D:
03:09:331 (4) - you can emphasize the drum sound here with a jump but its some jump there
03:21:827 (10,1) - you can space them a bit like 03:24:754 (10,1) -
03:42:864 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - (10) is right under them, better do something like 03:45:791 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - where the stream dont overlaps itself 2hard4fix
03:54:571 (6,7) - reduce the spacing, i though they were 1/1 apart lol its super distance ascension >:D
04:00:425 (4,5) - compare to 04:02:620 (4,5) - same pitch and waay different spacing, reduce the spacing of the first one n i c e

idk what im doing

good luck o/

-Kanzaki wrote:

05:16:459 - 05:38:887 - omg m8 mind if you add some 1/4 reverse sliders and reduce a little bit the general distance of all streams.
NEVER

02:36:765 (5,6) - I found these not visually seem good. Try this http://puu.sh/iLWKB/d3c76a6ec6.jpg or just make it normal stream.
this for fort

02:39:133 (5,6,1) - this one is acctualy good ^
this for fort

06:29:244 (1,1) - fix
oh shit done, will submit when bancho wants to allow me to

Acctualy everything except the unrankable issuies are unnessecary mod for this map tho so i won't mod more i think the map is good shooted a star good luck with the map.

-Kanzaki wrote:

02:36:765 (5,6) - I found these not visually seem good. Try this http://puu.sh/iLWKB/d3c76a6ec6.jpg or just make it normal stream. looks i didnt want to change this because i want to make some impact on 02:36:864 (6,1) -

02:39:133 (5,6,1) - this one is acctualy good ^ pretty good because it has different patterning (1/6 sliders jump which i cant make pattern like 02:36:765 (5,6,1) - xD)

Makoa wrote:

Just as a note, when the timing section changes, its nice for the players if its heavily sliders instead of circles just so were not plagued with 100s, especially on a song with high od like this.
I remember watching azer and he was getting upset when players who makes really hard maps make the drain really low. something about that people can "pass without even playing the map". The spinners at the end though could probably justify the drain for hr play.
05:43:718 (3,4) - these note are partly off of my screen when i play. plus some of the cross screen jumps seem a little gratuitous. you don't have to make the difficulty across the entire map too uniform and its its nice a lot of times to have multiple easy sections in maps to give them more form and structure(like rlc's the pretender).
the relentlessness of the map definitely reflects the way the song sounds.
I really like the way all the long streams look and it looks awesome when auto plays them. i hope they're not too hard and we'll get to see a replay of a fc.
I guess a lot of these suggestions don't really help since this map is practically finished but you know.

This map seems like it would be fun as a test of skill for high level players but It's just too hard for most of us too attempt. i guess you'll just have to get it qualified to see what those high level players think. gl dealing with the BNs

TheOnlyLeon wrote:

Hey, your mod as requested

TORMENT

02:31:436 - Why is there Kiai time on this segment? Not necessarily a problem but it confuses me. idk with this, but i didnt confuse of this

02:36:370 - OK I find this incredibly strange, why is the second to last note practically underneath the third to last note, but the last one is in it's normal position? I'd reconsider whatever you were going for there and just keep it as a straight line, especially since the timing of this is 1/3 already. its okay since im doing some purpose there

02:37:555 - ^^^^^^ Nvm it works on this one Thanks :3

02:45:844 - ^^^^^^ okay im fixing later

03:13:476 - Should prob have the NC on this note instead of on - 03:13:673 combo too short, and i like 1 2 3 4

03:42:498 - This stream is just incredibly awkwardly formed, Consider remapping it fix stream pattern, mazzerin you need to check hitsounding there

03:47:620 - I feel like there should be at least a couple sliders in here. It's awfully long for a non-stop circles stream. *Maybe put a slider in place of combo 1 and 2 for both new combos*. please, this streams is easy to hit since you're doing much deathstreams at beginning

03:58:596 - This cross screen jump feels really out of place, definitely consider reducing the distance of this jump.