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p3n

FAQ

When will the realtime scores be visible for everyone?

As soon as we are sure the score values are balanced. The system is working for the most part right now and adjustments to numeric values are made.

I can't mod on a regular basis. How will the inactivity penalty affect me?

Inactivity will affect your next mod. So don't be surprised to see a mod you did after 2-4 weeks of inactivity with negative score. If you can only do a bunch of mods every few weeks that is perfectly fine because only the first mod will be negative and all the others will be full points. Also remember that only mods that got kudosu will be counted shortly after you received them. You will receive an automatic penalty every 30 days without any mods. This penalty will be balanced to allow BNs a reasonable amount of "free time" before they will be considered "inactive".

Is there a limit to Rank Score/Mod Score?

No. You can go wild and ramp up those points.

Why is the realtime system so difficult to understand?

It is a "skill based risk/reward system". The more experience you have and the better you are at evaluating mapsets the easier it is for you to gain points. You can still try your luck even if you don't know what you are doing. The QATs will thank you for all the extra work they have to do ;) So overall it is less complex than the old monthly system: You mod maps until they reach a high quality and then you nominate them for qualification. Each of these steps will reward you with points. There are finer details to each step but that is basically it.

Why are contributors that were not directly involved in the final qualification of a mapset not punished?

Because punishment is not what the ranking is about. It is a necessary performance indicator but not the main aspect. Rather than focusing on punishing every BN involved in a disqualification we'd rather reward every BN involved in a successful rank. And that is exactly what we are doing: Every BN involved in a successful rank - even if they were not the "lucky" ones to set the last icons - will be rewarded.

Why do the QATs always disqualify my nominated mapset :cry:

Because the BNs, QATs and all the modders work together to ensure the highest quality of ranked mapsets that is possible. This is the combined work of the modding community which you are a big part of. A disqualification is usually something to learn from. Also QATs don't have free reign over disqualifications - they would face the wrath of the tiger, the dawn of the popcorn fairy, or be trampled by the hoofs of the professor for any abuse. They are also not rewarded for disqualifications and basically trapped in a constant state of slavery. If you do exceptional work as BNs you will probably share their fate in the future so maybe don't overdo it. ;)

How does the Mapset Value work?

Complex mapsets covering multiple game modes or mapsets that are really long will reward you with huge Rank Scores. Since BNs are supposed to evaluate and check mapsets in their entirety, the Score will also increase for mapsets with a lot of difficulties. You can approximate the value of a mapset by looking at the overall drain time of all difficulties combined. Example: TV Size with 4 difficulties = 4 x 1:25

Sieg

p3n wrote:

officially ended on May 1st
good to know that official news come at us in a timely manner:3
Loctav

Sieg wrote:

p3n wrote:

officially ended on May 1st
good to know that official news come at us in a timely manner:3
p/4111242
Kuron-kun
This new system looks great!

But what are "safe" icons supposed to be, exactly? Didn't understand that part.
Sieg
alright, first of all thanks for a hard work on improving the system, it looks so complicated nowxD

so I can see modding scores decays for inactivity
as for ranking scores - my icons should go at least 1 time a week into ranked state to not get decay?
so I'll get negative ranking scores only for disqualifies? That means I don't have to do bn job to remain in bng? only modding is enough?
Loctav

Kuron-kun wrote:

This new system looks great!

But what are "safe" icons supposed to be, exactly? Didn't understand that part.
Safe icons are icons that can not possibly strike you upon a disqualification. For example, you bubbled something, this bubble got popped, someone else rebubbled and even another qualifies it. Your contribution gets awarded for your initial efforts, but you will for sure not be blamed for a disqualification. So the icons are 'safe'. Doing too many of them will result in a penality. You should try to push your doings in a way that you are the actual last bubbler and/or qualifier of the mapset.
Cherry Blossom
Hmm Concerning Modding and Activity, and kudosu. (i didn't say BN activity)
Does this mean the BN has to mod maps (i didn't say set icons) frequently to save his BN score ? I mean, if he doesn't mod in a delay of 7days his score will decrease or he will get less "points" after modding a map ? Or I just misunderstood ?
ZiRoX

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Hmm Concerning Modding and Activity, and kudosu. (i didn't say BN activity)
Does this mean the BN has to mod maps (i didn't say set icons) frequently to save his BN score ? I mean, if he doesn't mod in a delay of 7days his score will decrease or he will get less "points" after modding a map ? Or I just misunderstood ?
After 7 days the score you get per mod will decrease, eventually reaching negative value. So, if you take too long from your last mod, you lose score; if you don't take thaat long (but still over the 7 days limit), you get some win, but a small one, if you do it frequently, you get a steady win).
JBHyperion
I'm a little confused about how Ranking/Contribution Score (based on icons) and Modding/Activity Score (based on receiving kudosu) gel together, namely:
  1. Is Modding Score accounted for as the kudosu is awarded, or when the map leaves the qualifying period?
  2. Does it add up indefinitely, or will only the last "X" mod posts / mod posts within the current 7 rankscores/contributions / mod posts within the last 30 days count?
Also, since the new system seems to be promoting multi-mode mapsets, I assume that mode-specific bubbles will be worth less than regular ones?
Little

Loctav wrote:

For example, you bubbled something, this bubble got popped, someone else rebubbled and even another qualifies it. Your contribution gets awarded for your initial efforts, but you will for sure not be blamed for a disqualification. So the icons are 'safe'.
This is illogical. Nominating a map is the same as saying "there are no problems in this map, it is ready to be ranked." If the map gets disqualified, it could mean that you missed something while checking the map, which the other nominators also missed.
Let's take an analogy: Say, you are an engineer, and you review a design for a bridge, determine that it is safe, and seal it. A second engineer reviews the design, and finds a flaw. After the flaw has been fixed, the second engineer puts his seal on the design. A third engineer seals the design, and it is approved. Six years later, the bridge collapses and ten people die, because there was a mistake that none of you noticed. How are you any less responsible for it than the other two?
BeatofIke

Sieg wrote:

it looks so complicated now xD
Indeed XD
meii18
Looks great the new system but seems a bit harder I'm really confused now ;_;
sheela
About the Ranking Score, if I understand correctly, you will receive more points when the time between the last bubble and the heart icons is long, but for the contributers, they'll receive less points.
DakeDekaane
tl;dr keep your usual modding and iconing.

This just adds that if you want to get a nice score, be sure of what you're qualifiying has zero flaws and is at its best. I just hope the inactivity penalty isn't that big :(
meii18

DakeDekaane wrote:

I just hope the inactivity penalty isn't that big :(
Yeah me too :c
Kibbleru
or b gud at RNG :D
Yauxo

DakeDekaane wrote:

I just hope the inactivity penalty isn't that big :(
This is my biggest concern with this. I dont mod often, but if I do, it's usually in a burst (5 mods/day with 2 weeks break as opposed to 5 mods in 2 weeks for example)

Well, let's see how things go
ZiRoX

Yauxo wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

I just hope the inactivity penalty isn't that big :(
This is my biggest concern with this. I dont mod often, but if I do, it's usually in a burst (5 mods/day with 2 weeks break as opposed to 5 mods in 2 weeks for example)

Well, let's see how things go
See p/3933612 for a small example on how the system would still allow this
Topic Starter
p3n
FAQ updated.
Kuron-kun

p3n wrote:

they would face the wrath of the tiger, the dawn of the popcorn fairy, or be trampled by the hoofs of the professor for any abuse.
Definitely the best part of the FAQ <3
Kibbleru
should you also include something about the difficulty of the map / how borderline it is?

u know, the skystar maps, although good, some of them are really hard or borderline rankable. It obviously takes more effort to rank things like that so.. i think there should be some compensation for the BNs who have the balls to rank stuff like that :D
xxdeathx
Difficulty is no easy thing to quantify. Not even star rating is accurate, especially not for skystar maps.
Kibbleru

xxdeathx wrote:

Difficulty is no easy thing to quantify. Not even star rating is accurate, especially not for skystar maps.
True i guess... yeah i thought so.

everyone is just gunna qualify safe stuff lmao
Secretpipe
so we just have to wait the system to be polished and then we'll know our scores ? o:
Topic Starter
p3n
More or less. I don't want to release unfinished numbers because it will just confuse everyone. We might drop an anonymous preview.
Marcin

p3n wrote:

More or less. I don't want to release unfinished numbers because it will just confuse everyone. We might drop an anonymous preview.
Topic Starter
p3n
Back to work! *whips*
ZiRoX
I think there are some things that aren't really clear:

1) There isn't anything about a specific timeframe to place icons, how will doing BN activity going to be accounted? For example, as long as I don't participate in 7 mapcycles, there won't be any score calculated, aside from that I'd be getting from mods. So I could be getting steady score by doing mods and avoid participating in ranking (even safe icons). Maybe you don't consider it a flaw at all, you can keep helping maps by modding and only iconing when you really, really see something worth it, instead of being forced to meet monthly goals, but this needs to be cleared.

2) The calculation uses your last 7 rankscores/contributions, would the calculation be triggered from the 7th map onward (7th map, 8th map, 9th map) or every 7th map (7th map, 14th map, 21th map, though this option would be a bit lenient, as in some modes like CTB participating in that much maps takes longer than in other modes). In the first case, let's assume someone messes up and gets 3 DQs in a row, like this (O is something that got ranked, X something that got DQed):
1st Calculation: OOOXXXO
2nd Calculation: OOXXXOO
3rd Calculation: OXXXOOO
4th Calculation: XXXOOOO

Since "this score is added to your overall "Score Balance" - much like before in the monthly ranking", this "fail" would be added to your score 4 times, which sounds kind of a rough penalty. Maybe you have thought of this, but adding some weightings on the score based on their position on the list (the latest weighting more in the calculation) will balance this, i.e., on the 1st calculation they will have a big weight (since they are recent fails), once this example BN starts doing better, the fails get a smaller weighting and their punishment on the latest calculation isn't that heavy (getting -100, -75, -50, -25 score on each calculation instead of -100, -100, -100 and -100 [disclaimer: random numbers]).
Alarido
Hope the penalties for the same beatmap dq-rq-dq-rq-dq-rq be treated in the same manner as done with multiple bubbles in a bubble-pop-bubble-pop-bubble-pop-...-bubble sequences.

(For the same map ID, I meant. Different maps has fully another story.)
Krfawy

Alarido wrote:

Hope the penalties for the same beatmap dq-rq-dq-rq-dq-rq be treated in the same manner as done with multiple bubbles in a bubble-pop-bubble-pop-bubble-pop-...-bubble sequences.
Alarido, please. Do you believe in that? I am 100% sure it will come like every bubble/qualify for a single disqualify will be treated like another beatmap even if you bubbled the same mapset three times in a row and it got disqualified three times as well. Remember that we qualify and bubble on our responsibility so we just lose more points for more DQs.
Sonnyc
Is this actually happening? Any progress or news?
It's been nearly a year, and that's pretty a long period to wait and see.
Cherry Blossom
Outdated wow haha
Yuii-
With the new system coming out soon it's just a matter of time to start forgetting all these things, I guess.
Sonnyc

Yuii- wrote:

With the new system coming out soon it's just a matter of time to start forgetting all these things, I guess.
Actually I guess so too :3
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