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[GUIDE] How to improve in osu!mania

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Drace
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace
Yeah. If you lost skill from a break, aka became "rusty", you'll have some re-training to do plain and simple. But at least you can assure yourself that the time span between your current level and the level you were will most likely be shorter than the first time around.

Breaks are also great for improving, once you reach the level you were at again, most the time you'll find yourself keeping that same improvement rate and improve well beyond that point. ^^

So yeah, I'm not aware of any magic tricks to give skills back... If you really want it back you'll have to work for it :p
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Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Drace wrote:

Yeah. If you lost skill from a break, aka became "rusty", you'll have some re-training to do plain and simple. But at least you can assure yourself that the time span between your current level and the level you were will most likely be shorter than the first time around.

Breaks are also great for improving, once you reach the level you were at again, most the time you'll find yourself keeping that same improvement and improve well beyond that point. ^^

So yeah, I'm not aware of any magic tricks to give skills back... If you really want it back you'll have to work for it :p
Yep, same experience here. Sometimes you can get lucky and come back from a break as good as you were before, but most times you come back rusty and have to spend a while regaining (and then passing) your old skill.
Silver Sky
44 posts
Joined January 2013
Silver Sky
Hi guys, I just want to know if there's a way to train finger speed. Because I can't stream fast in 4K (above 200 bpm). I can read the pattern but my fingers aren't fast enough to play it properly. I usually get around 85% on these songs, should I keep on pushing myself or is it better to start on lower bpm songs. Thank you :)
Drace
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace
Hm I've never really ran into finger speed problems. Seemed like my finger speed increased at the same rate as my reading did. Though if I were to recommend something I'd say play stuff way above your level (spam tier) here in there, it's what I used to do for stamina. Might show results for finger speed too.
varkhall
5 posts
Joined August 2013
varkhall
Hello, great guide, thanks a lot for creating it, I will come back here often! :) I'm new to osu!mania (like 1k retries), so I've got a question to you guys - is there any kind of exercise that can help me with my finger independence? (excluding playing ofc c: ) Also... I've got a problem with this pattern - any tips/good beatmaps to train it? :)
ovnz
321 posts
Joined January 2014
ovnz
Train your finger independence before trying to learn patterns. There isn't really any tips to train any pattern btw, just play it, that's all.
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
Guys, I guess it's been more than 3 months that I'm stuck at 2~3 star 7k maps and can't improve.
I think I'm ok at normal notes patterns. I can pass Intersect Thunderbolt [Hard] without too much effort, but when it comes to LN "heavy" maps such as Wake up!, Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi and Fight 4 Real... I fail miserably. I can't even get more than 85% accuracy without my brain exploding in the process. lol

I know there's not much I can do besides playing more, but are LNs supposed to be this hard?
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

gintoki147 wrote:

Guys, I guess it's been more than 3 months that I'm stuck at 2~3 star 7k maps and can't improve.
I think I'm ok at normal notes patterns. I can pass Intersect Thunderbolt [Hard] without too much effort, but when it comes to LN "heavy" maps such as Wake up!, Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi and Fight 4 Real... I fail miserably. I can't even get more than 85% accuracy without my brain exploding in the process. lol

I know there's not much I can do besides playing more, but are LNs supposed to be this hard?
Play more LN heavy maps. If you still find LNs hard, play even more LN heavy maps.
lenpai
Beatmap Nominator
1,772 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai

gintoki147 wrote:

Guys, I guess it's been more than 3 months that I'm stuck at 2~3 star 7k maps and can't improve.
I think I'm ok at normal notes patterns. I can pass Intersect Thunderbolt [Hard] without too much effort, but when it comes to LN "heavy" maps such as Wake up!, Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi and Fight 4 Real... I fail miserably. I can't even get more than 85% accuracy without my brain exploding in the process. lol

I know there's not much I can do besides playing more, but are LNs supposed to be this hard?
The difficulty of reading LNs vary from people to people. As a BMS + gracenote + burst heavy + 1000 notes per second+ player, learning LNs personally was a painstalking process (took me 4 months to actually be able to read LNs like Sister's Noise Lv. 42 with a bad accuracy) unlike those who played o2jam. Don't worry, you'll get to the point where reading LNs are easier than they are for you as of the moment.
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147

edisk wrote:

Play more LN heavy maps. If you still find LNs hard, play even more LN heavy maps.
Sometimes the obvious answer is the one we need the most.
It's true that I've been avoiding LN maps hoping to magically do better the next time I play them, so I decided to focus on them for the time being. Thanks. :p

Lenfried- wrote:

The difficulty of reading LNs vary from people to people. As a BMS + gracenote + burst heavy + 1000 notes per second+ player, learning LNs personally was a painstalking process (took me 4 months to actually be able to read LNs like Sister's Noise Lv. 42 with a bad accuracy) unlike those who played o2jam. Don't worry, you'll get to the point where reading LNs are easier than they are for you as of the moment.
Glad to hear that.
I'll do my best then. Today I played lots of LN maps and it seems that I'm getting a little better already...
PC Matic
7 posts
Joined February 2015
PC Matic
Thanks
This really helped me and others I really appreciate this. :)
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
Just thought I'd share with you guys how I'm doing.

Remember the maps I was struggling to pass before? Now I'm able to score at least 90% at them.
What I've been doing:
  1. Playing a lot of mania 7k LN heavy maps
  2. Playing some converts from o2jam. I think many of them are weird, but I'm doing my best to play them right. @_@
  3. Playing other rhythm games as well
  4. Trying to play 4k inversed maps with this tool (with the lite option obviously), as seen in this video I recorded:

    It would be best to do it in 7k maps, but my keyboard can't handle more than 6 key presses at once and there aren't many 6k maps in mania, so I guess I don't have many choices other than doing it in 4k or buying a better keyboard.
tl;dr; I'm playing a lot

Still, there are 3 maps that still seem to be way too hard for me, but I feel like I'll be able to pass them after 2 more months of training. lol
Sawano Hiroyuki - Blowin'
ZAQ - VOICE (TV Size)
T.M.Revolution x Nana Mizuki - Preserved Roses (TV-Size)

I'm much better, definitely, but it's still not enough.
Oh, well, I'm having fun.
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

gintoki147 wrote:

It would be best to do it in 7k maps, but my keyboard can't handle more than 6 key presses at once and there aren't many 6k maps in mania, so I guess I don't have many choices other than doing it in 4k or buying a better keyboard.[/list]

I'm much better, definitely, but it's still not enough.
Oh, well, I'm having fun.
Good to know you're having fun. Btw there are many maps out there with 6presses or less at once for 7k.
I think these has 6 or less for example.
Aoi Eir - Niji no Oto
nano.Ripe - Real World (TV Size)
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
Oh, yes. I'm a 7k player mostly.
When I said that I was referring to LN inversed maps made with this tool: t/191952 :D
Keihyan
132 posts
Joined March 2014
Keihyan
can you guys give me some good map to practice?? I started and I dont know what to do to find the map to practice
lerocesha
1 post
Joined January 2015
lerocesha
enjoy the game and feel the rhythm . playing for almost 3 months and i can finish advanced beatmaps like heart of witch and renatus :D :D :D
ShinFukuhara
3 posts
Joined July 2014
ShinFukuhara
Hello second post here :) , I've read the guide and this thread helped me a lot, but i can't keep my skill stable because me being quite a mood swinger, is there a tip for me?
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Hehe, mania is actually fun when I stopped playing converts.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

ShinFukuhara wrote:

Hello second post here :) , I've read the guide and this thread helped me a lot, but i can't keep my skill stable because me being quite a mood swinger, is there a tip for me?
Everyone is different. Some people will always have big swings in skill. On a bad day my scores can be more than 100k worse than my usual skill level. On a good day I've had scores 100k better than my usual.

Playing regularly has a big impact on your skill too, because the longer you go between sessions, the longer it will take to get back to your peak skill when you do play.
xch00F
142 posts
Joined October 2012
xch00F

Kheldragar wrote:

Hehe, mania is actually fun when I stopped playing converts.
WOW sugoi ze HOHO
ShinFukuhara
3 posts
Joined July 2014
ShinFukuhara

Bobbias wrote:

ShinFukuhara wrote:

Hello second post here :) , I've read the guide and this thread helped me a lot, but i can't keep my skill stable because me being quite a mood swinger, is there a tip for me?
Everyone is different. Some people will always have big swings in skill. On a bad day my scores can be more than 100k worse than my usual skill level. On a good day I've had scores 100k better than my usual.

Playing regularly has a big impact on your skill too, because the longer you go between sessions, the longer it will take to get back to your peak skill when you do play.
Oh I see, something like that is quite normal
Shimomura
6 posts
Joined August 2012
Shimomura
first i want to say sorry because my english is bad

i've been playing osu mania for maybe 5 months i can play 4 star map but then i stopped playing because my pc is broken for 2 months and i play really poor again,and that is why i'm searching for tips like this but up until now my training in osu!mania based from star rating like right now i can play 3 star beatmap now i'm aiming to be able play 4 star beatmap, after reading this i saw that there is something called horizontal reading and vertical reading i've never used this both or maybe i unconsciously used them i try to read it like that but it just doesn't work its like there is no time to make blocks for horizontal reading how i read the notes is simple just see the notes then press it is it because i'm playing at 25 speed?
Valedict
242 posts
Joined April 2013
Valedict

Shimomura wrote:

first i want to say sorry because my english is bad

i've been playing osu mania for maybe 5 months i can play 4 star map but then i stopped playing because my pc is broken for 2 months and i play really poor again,and that is why i'm searching for tips like this but up until now my training in osu!mania based from star rating like right now i can play 3 star beatmap now i'm aiming to be able play 4 star beatmap, after reading this i saw that there is something called horizontal reading and vertical reading i've never used this both or maybe i unconsciously used them i try to read it like that but it just doesn't work its like there is no time to make blocks for horizontal reading how i read the notes is simple just see the notes then press it is it because i'm playing at 25 speed?
Play more


You won't learn anything right off the bat, 7k takes a lot longer to improve on and you have to keep playing it until horizontal reading and vertical reading is something that comes to you naturally and without any pre-meditated thought.

Scroll speed is irrelevant in this case, that's just how fast you can read something comfortably. For what it's worth though, try playing at 1 lower speed like 24; that's what I use whenever I play 7k.
Shimomura
6 posts
Joined August 2012
Shimomura
so i just need to keep practicing and keep trying to learn how the horizontal and the vertical reading comes naturally to me?
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
When you play, try to identify the patterns your playing. think about the way the mapper has mapped the song. If you can't do this while you're playing without getting bad scores, you're not at the skill level where this will matter anyway.

It's natural to lose skill after a long break, and it can take time to build back up to where you were. Lower reading speed might help this process, but even if it does, it probably won't be a big effect.

So, As you improve at the game, being able to hit notes should become basically automatic for you. If you can think about all sorts of other things and still play the song properly, you're at the stage where you can begin paying attention to patterns more closely to the actual patterns themselves.

What I do when I play maps is try to identify exactly what sounds each note follows. I also analyze it like I would if I was mapping it. I look for any inconsistencies in patterns. I look for how the mapper transitions between different patterns. That sort of thing.

Vertical and Horizontal reading are just 2 different ways to look at a pattern. I use both at the same time on maps I'm not familiar with.
Shimomura
6 posts
Joined August 2012
Shimomura
thanks i will try your tips
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-
Stickied, even after 2 years this post is still helpful to newer players.
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
It happened folks, it happened.
YAY
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Oh thank god, maybe we'll have at least a FEW less "how do i get better" posts... maybe.
timi96
1 post
Joined October 2014
timi96
some inverted notes beatmaps? (lift or LN walls) i didn't find any
Safaklc_old
6 posts
Joined June 2015
Safaklc_old
Thanks bro this is awesome ;)
Jinjin
886 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin

timi96 wrote:

some inverted notes beatmaps? (lift or LN walls) i didn't find any
They don't appear often in the lower difficulty maps, however inversions and LN walls are key components in higher difficulty o2jam style or ln style maps.

Here are some examples:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/132824 (Lv.34 7K)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/130543 (Lv.42)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/206756 (All diffs)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/252179 (Lv.71 & Lv.83)
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/653533
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/543414 (Lv.34)
ovnz
321 posts
Joined January 2014
ovnz

timi96 wrote:

some inverted notes beatmaps? (lift or LN walls) i didn't find any
You can invert any map using this script, and there's an inverted LN mod coming soon™.
Un0fficial
3 posts
Joined August 2014
Un0fficial
Im fairly new to Osu!mania, but i can play some patterns. I was wondering if anyone here could help me figure out the skill level i would be classed at? Sometimes I feel like a novice, and other times i feel like a beginner.
toastly
1 post
Joined December 2014
toastly
(I am by no means an expert so if I say something completely dumb or wrong please don't hold it against me. Also my star estimates are personal estimates from experience)

Un0fficial, the whole Beginner-Novice-Advanced-ET classification isn't 4 concrete stages, it's an entire spectrum. Beginners can play anywhere from 1 to low 3 stars, Novices can extend from 3 to high 4 or even 5 stars, Advanced is 4-6 stars and ET is anything else. I looked at your profile (sorry) and my guess is you're bridging Beginner/Novice. You're playing 1-2 star beatmaps, but highly excelling at them as far as accuracy goes.

You may feel that you're switching between them due to a bad performance, which happens to most of us. Also, keep in mind different maps can have completely different patterns, some you're well acquainted with and some you've never seen before. It's important to pracitce those you haven't seen before, it helps you become a much better player, much quicker.

If you're looking to cement your status as a Novice, begin to practice some harder maps, going from 2-2.5 stars. They'll be harder and you're likely to get B's and C's when you first play them, perhaps even fail, but continue playing them and you'll see improvement. Keep track of the star count you excell at, pass at, and fail at, as star counts are a very solid guideline to go off of.

Sorry for writing a lot, probably a bit more than you were looking for. Remember, keep a positive attitude, and PRACTICE. Good luck!
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
yeah basically don't stick to stuff you're comfy playing. Most of the stuff I play I get low to mid B's and that's an everyday thing you get accustomed too, until that day you get an A and eventually S and you go "wow no shit I can't believe I was down there a few weeks/months ago"
Lolapops
2 posts
Joined July 2015
Lolapops
As a new player myself this guide is very helpful. Given that i havn't read 17 pages of comments i thought i'd share my experience today.

Today i was given the advice that if i wanted to improve my game faster. I should stop playing autoconverts.
When i stopped playing autoconverts and only played !Mania maps for the fews hours i played today i can truely say that the advice was worth pure gold.

Personally i find the !Mania maps way more fun aswell as the patterns aren't boring compared to a lot of the autoconverts.

I'm not saying we should completely lay off the autoconverts. Maybe just have a more casual approach to the autoconverts and a more serious approach to the !Mania maps.

Please do correct me if i'm wrong! (I'm new afterall)

Cheers!
Ukaei
10 posts
Joined July 2014
Ukaei
This was hard to read. English not your first language or something?

Thanks for the guide!
Un0fficial
3 posts
Joined August 2014
Un0fficial
So, i have appeared to hit a wall. I can pass some very high two star maps, but when ever it has those fast patterns that have two notes at once, i lode it. Like when it goes like, middle left, two keys on the left, outside right, both outside keys. That completely throws me off. Is this completely normal, and is there a way to practice it effectively?
Un0fficial
3 posts
Joined August 2014
Un0fficial
So, i have appeared to hit a wall. I can pass some very high two star maps, but when ever it has those fast patterns that have two notes at once, i lode it. Like when it goes like, middle left, two keys on the left, outside right, both outside keys. That completely throws me off. Is this completely normal, and is there a way to practice it effectively? Also, how do i get the track in the middle of the screen? What file in the .ini do i change?
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