I was strolling through the forums a second ago and noticed someone with a much higher rank than me (by about 40K) who only plays hard and normal songs. So i started to wonder, at what point is an osu player considered "okay" or "good" or even "mediocre"? Based on what i saw it doesn't seem like rank would be too reliable. So what would be the determining factor? A certain song being completed with a certain accuracy or score? I'd rather not presume, but is there even a definable factor?
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I considered "Just getting started" at 2000pp.
Good at 4,000pp.
Excellent at 5000pp.
Good at 4,000pp.
Excellent at 5000pp.
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Kheldragar wrote:
I considered "Just getting started" at 2000pp.
Good at 4,000pp.
Excellent at 5000pp.
Hmmm sounds like a solid measurement. But what about the people that just sit there and farm AR8 like the anon i mentioned in my original post
How is playing ar8 hards considered farming? Unless they're using DT in which case it's relatively easy 200+pp plays with acc.Popolittz wrote:
Kheldragar wrote:
I considered "Just getting started" at 2000pp.
Good at 4,000pp.
Excellent at 5000pp.
Hmmm sounds like a solid measurement. But what about the people that just sit there and farm AR8 like the anon i mentioned in my original post
Topic Starter
How is playing ar8 hards considered farming? Unless they're using DT in which case it's relatively easy 200+pp plays with acc.[/quote] I didnt see any mods attached, all i saw was a mega ton of normal and hard songs
Hence my question; how is that farm?
Topic Starter
Oh if it isn't farm then i apologize... umm i really wouldnt know what to call it. I was just asuming it was farming since i always hear "you just farm AR 8s for pp" (or some version of that phrase) so i was just assuming of the evidence I saw
Vialle
I consider professional not as someone with big pp, but with great play records. I cant really judge by pp now since farming exist despite how farming does need some skill - but less, of course.
8000pp = Top
6000pp = Great
4000pp = Privileged to be a skrub
2000pp = Getting started
500pp = Getting to know
8000pp = Top
6000pp = Great
4000pp = Privileged to be a skrub
2000pp = Getting started
500pp = Getting to know
Fuck. Yes.Vialle wrote:
4000pp = Privileged to be a skrub
Topic Starter
Kheldragar wrote:
Hence my question; how is that farm?
So i know for the future what should i describe that as?
Knowladge --> Ability to understand it --> Practice --> Peppy Points
I am at second stage, working on third.
And i consider myself as newb player who spend more time reading wikia / forum / talking with experienced players than grinding, somehow i feel that i need every point of knowladge what i can find (including maths for pp calculation etc).
I am not playing when i don't feel like do this, it's painfull so playing for fun gives you practice.
Practice gives scores, scores gives pp.
Personaly i don't have any scoring but in my eyes, if you are able to properly read and pass maps like true man Airman, freedon dive, image material, you should be already pretty experienced. I might be wrong, it's just my personal way of thinking.
I am at second stage, working on third.
And i consider myself as newb player who spend more time reading wikia / forum / talking with experienced players than grinding, somehow i feel that i need every point of knowladge what i can find (including maths for pp calculation etc).
I am not playing when i don't feel like do this, it's painfull so playing for fun gives you practice.
Practice gives scores, scores gives pp.
Personaly i don't have any scoring but in my eyes, if you are able to properly read and pass maps like true man Airman, freedon dive, image material, you should be already pretty experienced. I might be wrong, it's just my personal way of thinking.
Tbh you're either a god, or you're a nobody
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Kouya- wrote:
If you're rank 10k-5k You're good .
5k-2k pretty good
1k pro
100s - godlike
10,001 - 800,000 get better skrub?
Kouya-
Popolittz wrote:
10,001 - 800,000 get better skrub?
Topic Starter
Lol i wasnt saying anything about you specifically. Was just trying to create a group for the rest of the players. I know that most people are better than me xD
15 and 16 years old kids arguing who is better 
I am worst one here, deal with it
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Kouya-, dat NC... show some proper nomod / hr / hd scores, not some DT/NC farmerino.
I am worst one here, deal with it
@Edit
Kouya-, dat NC... show some proper nomod / hr / hd scores, not some DT/NC farmerino.
Topic Starter
aisakatayga wrote:
15 and 16 years old kids arguing who is better
I am worst one here, deal with it
Well until either you or I have beat Airman i see no difference between us.
Popolittz wrote:
Based on what i saw it doesn't seem like rank would be too reliable. So what would be the determining factor? A certain song being completed with a certain accuracy or score? I'd rather not presume, but is there even a definable factor?
heh.Vialle wrote:
8000pp = Top
6000pp = Great
4000pp = Privileged to be a skrub
2000pp = Getting started
500pp = Getting to know
1. For a more elaborate measurement, you could consider things like variance, the average of the 10 highest ranked plays (or all plays, whatever you prefer) or (for senior players with lots of plays) the median.
Example:
https://osu.ppy.sh/u/6064267 (me :>)
https://osu.ppy.sh/u/MugetsuBeatz#_general
as you can see, Mugetsu has more pp than me. You can also see, I have a higher variance (due to my top-plays being better and his plays being more spread out equally throughout the 50/60/70pp-range).
Considering average pp/median/variance gives you a better idea of where the players skill levels off.
The noob-version would be to just look at the highest ranked play and taking that as benchmark, but thats a little inaccurate imo.
You could just take the players highest play and multiply its pp with 20. That gives you an approximation of how many pp the player would have, if he were to fill up his scoreboard with plays equally to his highest play. (Source: I did the math)
2. Another thing you can do, is to distinguish between skill-categories, such as "speed", "accuracy", "consistency", "stamina" etc., allocating multiple values to one player, then comparing them separately. This does more justice to the complexity of the game and the variety of different playstyles. You can also apply the idea of 1. to the different categories as mentioned in 2.
*feelings of inadequacy intensify*
Thats only up for the player to decide if they're good or not. When I was around 50k, I thought that I was the shizzle. I think thats what kept me going I think. Look at me now, even I'm suprised that I've made it this far.
Moved to G&R
Id say you should at least be good enough to be 4 digits to even be considered. After that it's just a matter of how picky and easily impressed you are.
a good 40% of the top 10k are hackers or multi-accounts so
Like youRiince wrote:
a good 40% of the top 10k are hackers or multi-accounts so
holy shit i fit op's description to a t
if only playing normals/hard almost exclusively really was farming. hard maps are fun, and i rather like my meaningless acc %
most of my pp is leftovers from when i began playing, now that i've started to play seriously i feel kinda weird, knowing that most people around my rank aren't scared of insanes like i am, just gotta Play More so i can actually do them and be proud of my scores
i'm guessing that most ~70k ranks playing like me feel like that, anyway
if only playing normals/hard almost exclusively really was farming. hard maps are fun, and i rather like my meaningless acc %
most of my pp is leftovers from when i began playing, now that i've started to play seriously i feel kinda weird, knowing that most people around my rank aren't scared of insanes like i am, just gotta Play More so i can actually do them and be proud of my scores
i'm guessing that most ~70k ranks playing like me feel like that, anyway
Personally, I can appreciate the effort you've put in if you can get to 50k using exclusively nomod. Anyone above 50k I'll respect.
The super srs rankings start at 10k though. That's what really tests your dedication, and the bigger concern is exactly how far you can get modless. I have a good few filthy DT plays on my top scores and considering learning HR even though I'm not even 10k yet :/
The super srs rankings start at 10k though. That's what really tests your dedication, and the bigger concern is exactly how far you can get modless. I have a good few filthy DT plays on my top scores and considering learning HR even though I'm not even 10k yet :/
lmao,at least 50% of top 100 is cheatingRiince wrote:
a good 40% of the top 10k are hackers or multi-accounts so
It is all subjective and opinion etc. etc. especially how you use the word adequate (adequate to / for what? For OWC? For showing off?) or good.
In my opinion, around 5000pp is when someone starts to be good enough to be worthy of the label "good".
A lot of people (including me at one point) are impressed by, aspire for and will be happy enough upon reaching a 4 digit rank (~3000pp), which is understandable, but many people (also including me) get here and realize, "oh wait, hang on, I'm still shit at the game".
In my opinion, around 5000pp is when someone starts to be good enough to be worthy of the label "good".
A lot of people (including me at one point) are impressed by, aspire for and will be happy enough upon reaching a 4 digit rank (~3000pp), which is understandable, but many people (also including me) get here and realize, "oh wait, hang on, I'm still shit at the game".
4 digit rank is actually ~3200pp now just like 5000pp is ~1300.
I'll impress you one of these days, Cheezstik-tan.
I'll impress you one of these days, Cheezstik-tan.
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I hate show-off people[ Momiji ] wrote:
I can appreciate people who don't play 'exclusively' anything, instead aiming for a balanced skillset.
Hey now, I said good, not impressiveKheldragar wrote:
4 digit rank is actually ~3200pp now just like 5000pp is ~1300.
I'll impress you one of these days, Cheezstik-tan.
. You'd have to do shit like 600pp dragonforce plays, rrtyui plays, or millhioref ez / ekoro ezhdfl plays to impress me.I'll impress you one of these days, Cheezstik-tan.