Spacebar for sliders kthxbai
Or you can use the ALT keys.
Well I coukd my KB is like that
Or you can use the ALT keys.
Well I coukd my KB is like that
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DJ Pippi [Game Mode Concept]
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Seems good idea for osu!'s 4th game mode :3
Well?
I'll copy this thread's URL into Korean forum ;_;
Anyway, seems good XD
Well?
I'll copy this thread's URL into Korean forum ;_;
Anyway, seems good XD
I'm sure people are thinking about it.TKiller wrote:
I srsly hope my posts won't get ignored ._.
Maybe we could go the Frets on Fire route and have one hand hold a button down, and then have the other hand "strum" with two keys
Honestly, I think 4--maybe 5--buttons are good enough. Any more and it would get confusing.
I don't quite see the Guitar Hero strumming logic working so well on the keyboard, honestly. Perhaps it could be an option for those who own the guitar peripheral?
Expanding further on my ideas, I think there should be a cutoff of note frequency (probably at 1/2s, but varying with map difficulty) where multi-notes (as established by hitsounds) will be replaced with alternating notes--to avoid awkward multi-note patterns on low difficulties.
Likewise, if a stack is too quick (1/4s or 1/3s sound about right), the notes, which otherwise would be found on the same button, will be made to alternate between two adjacent buttons.
Sliders would be handled much the same way as in Taiko. They would become holds. Only the start and end points are considered; rebounds are ignored but do add to the length of the hold as would be expected. If a hold would be shorter than a 1/1 beat, it is turned into two regular hits--one at the start and one at the end. The accuracy of your RELEASE from a hold, as well as your start on it, is important for scoring.
Spinners are like Taiko but you must use all the buttons or they will stop spinning. I'd aim to make it spin fastest when you use all the buttons as uniformly as possible.
I don't quite see the Guitar Hero strumming logic working so well on the keyboard, honestly. Perhaps it could be an option for those who own the guitar peripheral?
Expanding further on my ideas, I think there should be a cutoff of note frequency (probably at 1/2s, but varying with map difficulty) where multi-notes (as established by hitsounds) will be replaced with alternating notes--to avoid awkward multi-note patterns on low difficulties.
Likewise, if a stack is too quick (1/4s or 1/3s sound about right), the notes, which otherwise would be found on the same button, will be made to alternate between two adjacent buttons.
Sliders would be handled much the same way as in Taiko. They would become holds. Only the start and end points are considered; rebounds are ignored but do add to the length of the hold as would be expected. If a hold would be shorter than a 1/1 beat, it is turned into two regular hits--one at the start and one at the end. The accuracy of your RELEASE from a hold, as well as your start on it, is important for scoring.
Spinners are like Taiko but you must use all the buttons or they will stop spinning. I'd aim to make it spin fastest when you use all the buttons as uniformly as possible.
I liked this ideia a lot :3!
But i would love to scratch using the mouse back and forth insted of pressing buttons :3
But i would love to scratch using the mouse back and forth insted of pressing buttons :3
Actually I think this would be pretty good for spinnersDragvon wrote:
I liked this ideia a lot :3!
But i would love to scratch using the mouse back and forth insted of pressing buttons :3
Might be hard to swith between mouse and keyboard quickly though.
let's not mix osu!standart with this keyboard-mashing mode
@MetalMario
well, I've suggested a bit same things about alternating buttons for fast notes. Also, I still like your idea abot axis-based note placement much better than hitsound one.
Frets on Fire strumming logic - this can work, but kinda ruins the original concept for me.
Number of keys - actually if you're of button-smasher kind like me rather then pointer-user, getting used to >4 buttons is easy. 8 buttons can be tough for someone because pinky fingers are generally not used for rapid key pressings, but 6 buttons can be mastered by anyone. Also, more buttons = more room for interesing use of double or even triple key presses.
I still hate that it's a circle, I'll be able to read only the 1/4 of it, right before notes hitting the judge line.
@MetalMario
well, I've suggested a bit same things about alternating buttons for fast notes. Also, I still like your idea abot axis-based note placement much better than hitsound one.
Frets on Fire strumming logic - this can work, but kinda ruins the original concept for me.
Number of keys - actually if you're of button-smasher kind like me rather then pointer-user, getting used to >4 buttons is easy. 8 buttons can be tough for someone because pinky fingers are generally not used for rapid key pressings, but 6 buttons can be mastered by anyone. Also, more buttons = more room for interesing use of double or even triple key presses.
I still hate that it's a circle, I'll be able to read only the 1/4 of it, right before notes hitting the judge line.
It not being a circle really defeats the whole DJ thing :/
The coolest idea I've ever read!!
I think the scratching could be done better (maybe, I dunno) with the mouse, e.g, but yeah, the mode concept is good.
Support!!
I think the scratching could be done better (maybe, I dunno) with the mouse, e.g, but yeah, the mode concept is good.
Support!!
@RandomJibberish
Truly enough, but agree, circle movements are really harder to read than linear ones. Well, everything can be get used to and probably some color differentiation can help, but still.
Truly enough, but agree, circle movements are really harder to read than linear ones. Well, everything can be get used to and probably some color differentiation can help, but still.
It seems very interesting
I'm looking forward to this mode~
I'm looking forward to this mode~
什么？
interessting idea..
you could use the osu! logo for the skin right?
+support
you could use the osu! logo for the skin right?
+support
woah, ghetto imageRokodo wrote:
Discuss.
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hmm, looks complicated . . so in sense if the bars are full (all around the circle) than you're doing good? and when one of the bars slowly goes up thats like the timer ?
crap i feel really dumb right now, a game mode ? HUH? what hotkeys wait what ? -_- is it like pretty much same mode except different bindings for different claps and hits?
I think so.
But in that case...wouldn't getting high scores be somewhat based on luck? You may always get a horrible combination of notes. D: Also, many rhythm games have set patterns since...well, it's the "proper" way to do it on your peripheral. Like, there's a reason those notes where there; it's like playing sheet music on a piano. If it's random every time, well, what's the proper way? =/ I guess I'm being a bit philosophical, but whatever. XD It'd be a lovely mod for this though.
But in that case...wouldn't getting high scores be somewhat based on luck? You may always get a horrible combination of notes. D: Also, many rhythm games have set patterns since...well, it's the "proper" way to do it on your peripheral. Like, there's a reason those notes where there; it's like playing sheet music on a piano. If it's random every time, well, what's the proper way? =/ I guess I'm being a bit philosophical, but whatever. XD It'd be a lovely mod for this though.
Man, you didn't get what he was saying at all. It's not random every time, it's generated randomly upon creation, and then it is the same for every player. That's how the CtB "spinners" work, you might notice.Starrodkirby86 wrote:
I think so.
But in that case...wouldn't getting high scores be somewhat based on luck? You may always get a horrible combination of notes. D: Also, many rhythm games have set patterns since...well, it's the "proper" way to do it on your peripheral. Like, there's a reason those notes where there; it's like playing sheet music on a piano. If it's random every time, well, what's the proper way? =/ I guess I'm being a bit philosophical, but whatever. XD It'd be a lovely mod for this though.
Still, I don't think random is a good idea here. There are plenty of elements of the map design (position, hitsounds) that could be used in determining key mapping, no sense in resorting to randomness. I do agree that there's no point in having a "slider" key, when a slider is just a held note.
If this was put into osu!, then there can maybe be support for the Guitar Hero/Rock Band/Band Hero guitars.
I like it.
Need more mods for osu D:
Need more mods for osu D:
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I'm also thinking the needle could bounce to the BPM of the song, perhaps. That is, bouncing back and forth on 1/2 beats. Only slightly though, don't need eyes being hurt by anything else other than -certain- storyboards.
And where I wrote notes to appear from the line, it doesn't have to be just like that. Maybe they could fade in from around there.
And where I wrote notes to appear from the line, it doesn't have to be just like that. Maybe they could fade in from around there.
You can use those with osu! for taiko.pokr5 wrote:
If this was put into osu!, then there can maybe be support for the Guitar Hero/Rock Band/Band Hero guitars.
Plug it in then use Xpadder to bind it to your keys.
Hmm
We would need pretty serious note patterns for this mode
Anyone who is decent at DJMAX Trilogy would be so pro at this with or without the help of the right skin, and even the most difficult songs on either standard or Taiko would be FCed effortlessly by many.
Nice idea, though. osu! would really become a all-round rhythm game with this mode.
We would need pretty serious note patterns for this mode
Anyone who is decent at DJMAX Trilogy would be so pro at this with or without the help of the right skin, and even the most difficult songs on either standard or Taiko would be FCed effortlessly by many.
Nice idea, though. osu! would really become a all-round rhythm game with this mode.
More details:
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Easy, only 3 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Normal, 4 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Hard or higher, all 5 buttons are used.
Hitsounds would translate to multiple button patterns as follows:
For objects with New Combo markers, their column placement is chosen in absolute screen terms.
For all other objects, their column placement is decided relative to the placement (and distance) of the previous object.
In both cases, up/right correspond to placement further right and down/left correspond to placement further left.
When moving left, WhistleClap and FinishClap patterns are reversed to preserve symmetry.
The hitsound patterns will be changed for Easy to fit within 3 buttons and not overuse multiples.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Easy, only 3 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Normal, 4 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Hard or higher, all 5 buttons are used.
Hitsounds would translate to multiple button patterns as follows:
Normal: *These patterns are moved left/right (and possibly wrap?) according to the object placement rules:
Whistle: *..*
Finish: **
Clap: *.*
WF: ***
WC: **.*
FC: *.**
WFC: ****
For objects with New Combo markers, their column placement is chosen in absolute screen terms.
For all other objects, their column placement is decided relative to the placement (and distance) of the previous object.
In both cases, up/right correspond to placement further right and down/left correspond to placement further left.
When moving left, WhistleClap and FinishClap patterns are reversed to preserve symmetry.
The hitsound patterns will be changed for Easy to fit within 3 buttons and not overuse multiples.
This looks interesting. I approve of this. Also, I'd be pro.
To complete, I'd like to say that special modes makes osu! a really wonderful game, because it's less boring when you have three different modes to play, with so many songs. Adding a new mode will make it even more fun.
To complete, I'd like to say that special modes makes osu! a really wonderful game, because it's less boring when you have three different modes to play, with so many songs. Adding a new mode will make it even more fun.
I don't really like having more spceial modes on osu! but this is a good idea~
osu! is a rhythm game based on the gameplay of a variety of popular commercial rhythm games.This would totally make more sense with more modes. I like it~
one question: How to stream? ._.
I think that should be able to use 8 letters to play. Something like Z=B=hit, X=N=clap, C=M=whistle, V=<=sliders, maybe?
I think that should be able to use 8 letters to play. Something like Z=B=hit, X=N=clap, C=M=whistle, V=<=sliders, maybe?
roxkyuubiforever wrote:
one question: How to stream? ._.
MetalMario201 wrote:
Likewise, if a stack is too quick (1/4s or 1/3s sound about right), the notes, which otherwise would be found on the same button, will be made to alternate between two adjacent buttons.
its almost like this
DJ Mix tour - iPhone
Hip hop allstar - iPhone
BIG problem if this mode implemented in PC is....
4 buttons is toooooooooooooooooooo easy
i was a pro O2jammer so i know about this
so i suggest with 7 buttons.. combined version of Hip hop allstar and DJ Mix Tour's center button
DJ Mix tour - iPhone
Hip hop allstar - iPhone
BIG problem if this mode implemented in PC is....
4 buttons is toooooooooooooooooooo easy
i was a pro O2jammer so i know about this
so i suggest with 7 buttons.. combined version of Hip hop allstar and DJ Mix Tour's center button
I think 5 keys is suitable……
I do think there would be some benefit to having more than 5 keys, if we are to incorporate both MM201's relative-directional-movement idea and his hitsound-based-chords idea. It would be tough to have both of those working very effectively within only a 5-button spread.
Watch that not every keyboard supports 5 button presses at ones, some old ones may have problemsMetalMario201 wrote:
More details:
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Easy, only 3 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Normal, 4 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Hard or higher, all 5 buttons are used.
its their problem. but...Guy-kun wrote:
Watch that not every keyboard supports 5 button presses at ones, some old ones may have problemsMetalMario201 wrote:
More details:
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Easy, only 3 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Normal, 4 buttons are used.
If the difficulty stars identify the map as Hard or higher, all 5 buttons are used.
at least common keyboard works 9 buttons from left shift (personal experience)
left shift - z - x - c - v - b - n - m
5 is enough, imo
-SiN- wrote:
its their problem. but...
Well osu isn't really about 'its your problem you can't play', it should be compatible for most people... We don't have DirectX, and for those unable to use it its 'their problem'
at least common keyboard works 9 buttons from left shift (personal experience)
My laptop does 4.
left shift - z - x - c - v - b - n - m
its your problem.. do i said "laptop"?Guy-kun wrote:
-SiN- wrote:
its their problem. but...
Well osu isn't really about 'its your problem you can't play', it should be compatible for most people... We don't have DirectX, and for those unable to use it its 'their problem'
at least common keyboard works 9 buttons from left shift (personal experience)
My laptop does 4.
left shift - z - x - c - v - b - n - m
Even if the game had a 9-button mode or whatever, you wouldn't be pressing more than 3 of them at once at any given time
true..LuigiHann wrote:
Even if the game had a 9-button mode or whatever, you wouldn't be pressing more than 3 of them at once at any given time
Bemani map rarely have 7 note pressed at once, and this is osu!.. would make this 4 buttons at once ( better than all of them)
pretty sure this was *kinda* discussed before
like ctb falling notes but instead of catching it, you need to press buttons
like ctb falling notes but instead of catching it, you need to press buttons
I vote 6 keys P:
James wrote:
pretty sure this was *kinda* discussed before
like ctb falling notes but instead of catching it, you need to press buttons
+9000
IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAANDDJPop wrote:
James wrote:
pretty sure this was *kinda* discussed before
like ctb falling notes but instead of catching it, you need to press buttons
+9000
Read again; How can something be over 9000 when it's exactly 9000?Fuuko wrote:
IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND
UBER N00B PWNAGEAzure_Kyte wrote:
Read again; How can something be over 9000 when it's exactly 9000?Fuuko wrote:
IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND
DJpop added 9000 to a number that was already greater than 0Azure_Kyte wrote:
Read again; How can something be over 9000 when it's exactly 9000?Fuuko wrote:
IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND
Not every keyboard supports having that many keys pressed at the same time anyways.-SiN- wrote:
Bemani map rarely have 7 note pressed at once, and this is osu!.. would make this 4 buttons at once ( better than all of them)
Actually only gaming keyboards or so.
JESUS!!!Sir Minelli wrote:
Not every keyboard supports having that many keys pressed at the same time anyways.-SiN- wrote:
Bemani map rarely have 7 note pressed at once, and this is osu!.. would make this 4 buttons at once ( better than all of them)
Actually only gaming keyboards or so.
-SiN- wrote:
at least common keyboard works 9 buttons from left shift (personal experience)
left shift - z - x - c - v - b - n - m
I prefer this key set-SiN- wrote:
at least common keyboard works 9 buttons from left shift (personal experience)
left shift - z - x - c - v - b - n - m
A S E F _____ J I L :
My keyboard can do it >:D
well.. customizable key is a must :p
Every key used in-game can be customized right? In options, It would looks dumb if it can't,
cool concept..
Obviously you can use custom bindings, just like Taiko.Aoitenshi wrote:
Every key used in-game can be customized right? In options, It would looks dumb if it can't,
Hum... I don't think that's a good idea.MetalMario201 wrote:
Likewise, if a stack is too quick (1/4s or 1/3s sound about right), the notes, which otherwise would be found on the same button, will be made to alternate between two adjacent buttons.
I think that it's ok with a triple stream using a single hitsound. But if there is a Normal-Normal-Clap triple stream? The clap hitsound would be just rejected and considered as a Normal?
Normal-Normal-Clap ->
...or something along those lines.
..*..
...*.
..*.*
...or something along those lines.
What is the difference between this and Taiko other than the design?
Multiple buttons as opposed to two, a more "bemani" experience.
Nice Necro, by the way.
Nice Necro, by the way.