It's in this month's chart for pudge's sake.Nwolf wrote:
because the rule is there now_verto_ wrote:
I put the oX back because if Bonfire can have 1/4 oX patterns that overlap each other, why the hell can't mine?
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Shuichiro Fukuhiro - Poni Puni Song(Vocaloid Ver.) [Taiko]
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Thanks~-Eternal Love- wrote:
Hi~ I'm lateKantan00:07:286 (6,7) - k d?
It's mapped on the pitch, no
00:10:286 (1) - d
^
00:15:286 (2) - kFutsuu00:07:286 (6,7) - k d?
^Oni00:47:286 (28,29,30) - kdk?
Why? No
01:02:536 (34,35,36,37) - D?
Done
01:11:786 (13) - d
if it's a d it has to be a big one, so no.
01:13:536 (20,21,22) - kkd?
Why? NoInner Oni01:07:786 (20) - d
No
01:23:786 (26) - ^
^
good luck!
Star rating is weird as shit for some reason. I've looked at the Oni and Inner Oni 4x over and there's no reason at all the Oni should be listed as harder than the Inner Oni....and yet it is.
On that note, there's nothing wrong with the dK that you use. It's a perfectly fair use and even with the amendment to the rule it still is allowed as it is a colour switch at the end of it. It doesn't need to be a 'stream' to allow this at all, even with the amended rule.
Despite the weird Oni / Inner Oni star rating, bubbling the mapset. It's very solid.
On that note, there's nothing wrong with the dK that you use. It's a perfectly fair use and even with the amendment to the rule it still is allowed as it is a colour switch at the end of it. It doesn't need to be a 'stream' to allow this at all, even with the amended rule.
Despite the weird Oni / Inner Oni star rating, bubbling the mapset. It's very solid.
these dK, are not unrankable?
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Read Tasha's post.Hanjamon wrote:
these dK, are not unrankable?
yeah, but still breaking the new rule..
Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream. At the end, finish streams may be allowed if there is a reasonable sound for it. Finisher notes at the end of a stream ---> must have the opposite color of the four previous notes. <---
dK sounds good I not say otherwise, but i think will be better to remove the finish or put a thing like xxx X because now (unfortunately) things like xX in 1/4 are unrankable >.<
why i'm saying this? i'm worried because i think this will be unranked yes or yes
Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream. At the end, finish streams may be allowed if there is a reasonable sound for it. Finisher notes at the end of a stream ---> must have the opposite color of the four previous notes. <---
dK sounds good I not say otherwise, but i think will be better to remove the finish or put a thing like xxx X because now (unfortunately) things like xX in 1/4 are unrankable >.<
why i'm saying this? i'm worried because i think this will be unranked yes or yes
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Hanjamon wrote:
Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream.
It's at the end of it.
At the end, finish streams may be allowed if there is a reasonable sound for it.
There is a reasonable sound for it.
Finisher notes at the end of a stream ---> must have the opposite color of the four previous notes.
It is the opposite colour of the of the previous note. Should I spam 3 more dons behind them so it'll be rankable? Turn off the effect sound and listen to the song. It's not even that quiet. I've been working on this set for a year now and no matter what kind of mod I got nobody could provide me a better solution for that than the already existing dK.
Oh come on, we are speaking about 120 bpm. Nothing is impossible on this level.
There is no specific on what is a 'stream' and what isn't a stream in the rule amendment. I could very well call multiple doublets a stream of doublets as an example. Despite all of that, the rule does not affect this usage as it uses the finisher as the last note in the pattern, and is using an opposite colour to the previous note.
If anyone wants to argue this point, come talk to me in game. If a QAT wants to argue this, I'm going to dispute the rule change. This type of pattern should not be considered unrankable and if it is going to be, it is hindering mapper creativity for no valid reason.
If anyone wants to argue this point, come talk to me in game. If a QAT wants to argue this, I'm going to dispute the rule change. This type of pattern should not be considered unrankable and if it is going to be, it is hindering mapper creativity for no valid reason.
I know is not impossible xD (and so easy for a ddkk player like me) but well, i'm not the only who hates this rule, i have maps with kkddK and things like that and I needed to remove :/ (specially my map of get jinxed and the kdddkdddK stream at the end)Kurokami wrote:
Oh come on, we are speaking about 120 bpm. Nothing is impossible on this level.
I miss the previous rule :cTasha wrote:
There is no specific on what is a 'stream' and what isn't a stream in the rule amendment. I could very well call multiple doublets a stream of doublets as an example. Despite all of that, the rule does not affect this usage as it uses the finisher as the last note in the pattern, and is using an opposite colour to the previous note.
If anyone wants to argue this point, come talk to me in game. If a QAT wants to argue this, I'm going to dispute the rule change. This type of pattern should not be considered unrankable and if it is going to be, it is hindering mapper creativity for no valid reason.
Well, I can't say anything more, only good luck and i hope this not gets unranked
It's no problem to discuss about "xO on lower BPMs" cases. But you are not allowed to ignore the official rules until changes has been made.
It states that every 'stream' can have a finisher as long as there are four notes of the opposite colour, which isn't the case here. Hence unrankable. No matter what your opinion on this is. Same goes to the mapper. No matter how long it has took you to bring the map forward, you are not allowed to break the rules.
I wonder anyway why this comes up now, although this has been discussed years and once again weeks ago to clarify it. Overslept it, huh.
Bubble-pop reason (for now):
It states that every 'stream' can have a finisher as long as there are four notes of the opposite colour, which isn't the case here. Hence unrankable. No matter what your opinion on this is. Same goes to the mapper. No matter how long it has took you to bring the map forward, you are not allowed to break the rules.
I wonder anyway why this comes up now, although this has been discussed years and once again weeks ago to clarify it. Overslept it, huh.
Bubble-pop reason (for now):
Taiko Ranking Criteria wrote:
Finish notes
Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream. At the end, finish streams may be allowed if there is a reasonable sound for it. Finisher notes at the end of a stream must have the opposite color of the four previous notes.
Remember that "opposite color of the previous four notes" was added to the rule to make sure there is no variation in what defines a "stream" - the first 1/4 thing that is allowed to have a finisher is a 5-plet
@Ono Duplets can be considered as streams, they are short although. I see no rule in the quote against the usage on this map. They are at the end and they fit also the bpm is low so we should allow this.
About the rule, I think we need to point out that oX patterns can be used under specific bpm just like a HDash rule in CtB for Platters. There you can see we allowing 1/4 HDashes under bpm 140 since they are really easy in that case. And since taiko mainly depends on bpm, play low bpm is not really a challenge since even 180 bpm muzu is harder than 120 bpm Inner Oni. At least in this case.
About the rule, I think we need to point out that oX patterns can be used under specific bpm just like a HDash rule in CtB for Platters. There you can see we allowing 1/4 HDashes under bpm 140 since they are really easy in that case. And since taiko mainly depends on bpm, play low bpm is not really a challenge since even 180 bpm muzu is harder than 120 bpm Inner Oni. At least in this case.
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So the rule just needs to be changed if it's faulty. The rules should be there so we don't map in an unplayable and unfitting style. However, oX is just as playable as ooooX and sometimes, like in this case, can be fitting as well. It's not like I have heaps of duplets with oX patterns on each other, then I could understand why you would complain.OnosakiHito wrote:
It's no problem to discuss about "xO on lower BPMs" cases. But you are not allowed to ignore the official rules until changes has been made.
"You can't do that because the rules says so" is not going to improve the mapping quality, actually the opposite. Give me a valid, objective reason with actual explaination why should I remove that and what should I put there instead that could improve the map's quality, because I've been only told to "remove this because THE RUUUUUUUUUUULES say so". I know the rules are there for a reason, but I don't see how is that reason reasonable if we have maps like this.
You seem not to understand. No matter what you say right now, it stays unranked because of the current rule. If you have a problem with this, you have to contact the Admins aka peppy / Loctav. I'm sure Tasha will plan to open a discussion about this rule, which is okay. But this may take some time. If you need some suggestions about this patterns, I might be able to help. Just contact me in game again if you can't wait for the -probably- incoming discussion.
Just don't do it here. After all, this is not the place to discuss about general rules.
Just don't do it here. After all, this is not the place to discuss about general rules.
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I do, I just pointed out why the rule is faulty and that modding is pretty lazily done sometimes. If I didn't understand I'd had questioned your pop, which I did not.OnosakiHito wrote:
You seem not to understand.
I have a problem with this, but as you said Tasha will probably start a discussion about this, which would be nice to follow and comment on.OnosakiHito wrote:
No matter what you say right now, it stays unranked because of the current rule. If you have a problem with this, you have to contact the Admins aka peppy / Loctav. I'm sure Tasha will plan to open a discussion about this rule, which is okay. But this may take some time. If you need some suggestions about this patterns, I might be able to help. Just contact me in game again if you can't wait for the -probably- incoming discussion.
Just don't do it here. After all, this is not the place to discuss about general rules.
I can wait, it's just I feel bad that if I had harassed BATs earlier one by one until one of them mods my map I didn't get to this point earlier, because a few months ago this wouldn't had been an issue. I hope this case will help improving the rules, which will also improve the quality of the future ranked maps.
It would have been an issue even a few months ago. The rule hasn't been changed. It has been just clarified. In the past, you weren't even allowed to have a finisher in a 5plet stream. It was only allowed after 8 notes. And looking further in the past, even that wasn't allowed(or rather not liked to see, since we had no rules back then, just a guide lol). You speak with the one who brought up all the rules. I know exactly what I'm talking about. lol
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I mentioned bonfire few weeks ago and even here, but you kind of fell silent about that one. I respect the mappers and the map is superb indeed, I just felt that it's kind of a double-standard that people are so adamant on enforcing the rule on my map, but if it's a well-known and respected mapper it's okay to ignore a rule or two.
Easy there, verto. I think you rather forgot what I said about it and have now unjustified accusations against me._verto_ wrote:
I mentioned bonfire few weeks ago and even here, but you kind of fell silent about that one. I respect the mappers and the map is superb indeed, I just felt that it's kind of a double-standard that people are so adamant on enforcing the rule on my map, but if it's a well-known and respected mapper it's okay to ignore a rule or two.
If I put out my logs now, this will not look good for one of us. Beside that, pointing with the finger at someone else is nothing I can favor at this point (bonfire).
What I read through your words right now is that you want to get this ranked in its current state without any changes. The fact that you asked another BAT after my said word is already a bit fishy if you ask me. And as I said before, I will assist you if you need possible examples beside the oX pattern. Yet, you talk about quality.
I'm open for a talk. Not sure about you.
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I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just writing what I feel and I could be wrong as well. You are just threatening me here instead of talking about the matter objectively. I don't care about other maps, BUT I will mention it if I feel it unjust. "Why is it that that map accepted while mine is not with the same pattern?" Sorry if I jumped into conclusions and offended you, I didn't mean to.OnosakiHito wrote:
Easy there, verto. I think you rather forgot what I said about it and have now unjustified accusations against me._verto_ wrote:
I mentioned bonfire few weeks ago and even here, but you kind of fell silent about that one. I respect the mappers and the map is superb indeed, I just felt that it's kind of a double-standard that people are so adamant on enforcing the rule on my map, but if it's a well-known and respected mapper it's okay to ignore a rule or two.
If I put out my logs now, this will not look good for one of us. Beside that, pointing with the finger at someone else is nothing I can favor at this point (bonfire).
What I read through your words right now is that you want to get this ranked in its current state without any changes. The fact that you asked another BAT after my said word is already a bit fishy if you ask me. And as I said before, I will assist you if you need possible examples beside the oX pattern. Yet, you talk about quality.
I'm open for a talk. Not sure about you.
Also I never asked Tasha to bubble or mod my map. Please let's stay objective and discuss matters without getting too personal.
Although I want to see how this will turns out but this is not the right place to discuss this matter. Do it in pm or start a thread about this, I don't care but leave this thread open only for the mods and modding related stuff.
Let's not get this discussion abroad. If you want to object this rule, please open a thread and conclude it appropriately.
Meanwhile, this bubble is supposed to stay popped, since it is formally unrankable.
If you yet want to get it qualified in a quicker manner and do not want to await the result of the ranking criteria discussion, you are supposed to change the map according to the objections made by the bubble-pop-post.
Sorry for the inconveniences this might cause to you. Please contact me, if you made a decision. This can stay locked for now - this won't end productive here anyways.
Meanwhile, this bubble is supposed to stay popped, since it is formally unrankable.
If you yet want to get it qualified in a quicker manner and do not want to await the result of the ranking criteria discussion, you are supposed to change the map according to the objections made by the bubble-pop-post.
Sorry for the inconveniences this might cause to you. Please contact me, if you made a decision. This can stay locked for now - this won't end productive here anyways.
Unlocked. Feel free to resume with this map as soon as the RC discussion concluded.
Since the rule has been added and it allows finishers with reasonable sound to follow I'm going to rebubble this.
get rid of those stupid 1.5 SV finishers in Inner (especially the last one cause ew slight overmap looks horrible, like REALLY horrible) :C
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No, I got the inspiration from this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/43728 00:57:361 (1) - where basically the same thing happens in the music, except on 120BPM and no WHAUW but a loud drum bang.Nwolf wrote:
get rid of those stupid 1.5 SV finishers in Inner (especially the last one cause ew slight overmap looks horrible, like REALLY horrible) :C
It's an inner oni, let me put inner oni stuff in my inner oni especially if it fits dammit :C
mfw I disliked that on Mami Mami Zone too
also it didn't overlap there pls
and no it doesn't fit THAT much, normal big kat is enough
also Inner Oni = Oni ffs :C
also it didn't overlap there pls
and no it doesn't fit THAT much, normal big kat is enough
also Inner Oni = Oni ffs :C
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Sorry to hear that, I think it's wonderful and makes the map more one with the music and more excitingNwolf wrote:
mfw I disliked that on Mami Mami Zone too
Alright, I noticed the SV isn't the same at 00:16:286 (2) - and 01:36:286 (8) - even thought they are the same, so fixed that. NOW they don't overlap ;3 Want kds for it?Nwolf wrote:
also it didn't overlap there pls
What I hear:Nwolf wrote:
and no it doesn't fit THAT much, normal big kat is enough
Nwolf wrote:
i-it's not like it f-fits T-THAT much or anything, b-baka!
Oni=Muzu Muzu=Futsuu Kantan=Inner Kantan(???)Nwolf wrote:
also Inner Oni = Oni ffs :C
Inner oni should be a different and probably more tricky / difficult oni, especially if there is already an oni in the set. I could go around calling it vertOni but please I don't want to inner is a fine name.
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So increased the SV from 1x to 1,2x after 01:36:286 (8) - to the end so it matches the same part at 00:16:286 (2) -
double post pls
also
also
that's so me that I feel like hugging you c-cause you're so... so.. b.... b.......... ba..... BAAAAAAAAAAAKA ;w;Nwolf wrote:
i-it's not like it f-fits T-THAT much or anything, b-baka!
In Futsuu 01:04:286 (2) - and 01:35:786 (3) - was changed to big kat because it fits better and because it is consistent with 01:19:786 (31) -
Also removed one unnecessary word from the tags and that's all!
Qualified~
Also removed one unnecessary word from the tags and that's all!
Qualified~
gratz 
gratz : D
let me scare you for a moment
(but didn't check yet)
(but didn't check yet)
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Ono posting in a qualified map's thread is always scary ;_;OnosakiHito wrote:
let me scare you for a moment
(but didn't check yet)
Also please don't crush my dreams
goddddddddddddd anime
Hi, there. I have to disqualify due to the wrong metadata. Please take a look these and you must change them.
- Artist : 福廣秀一朗
Link : http://www.creekltd.com/fukuhiro.html or http://ameblo.jp/fukuchan-composer/ - Romanised Artist : Shuichiro Fukuhiro
Link : http://profile.ameba.jp/fukuchan-composer/ - Source : げんしけん二代目
Link : http://genshiken-2daime.com/release/mebaetame.html
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KSHR wrote:
^From an anime official site.Romanized Title: Poni Puni Song(Vocaloid Ver.)
Unicode Title: ぽにぷにそんぐ(Vocaloid Ver.)
Roanized Artist: Fukuhiro Shuuichirou
Unicode Artist: 福廣秀一郎
Source: げんしけん二代目 / Genshiken Nidaime
no kds
I wonder who should I believe concerning the metadata after this, when even the Japanese people give me different kanji and romaji. Anyhow, updated, but you guys should requalify this, after all the "wrong" metadata was given by a quite trustable source, it's not our fault that the "offical" sites give different data.
I don't understand why using romaji as source is an issue. I'm not willing to accept this, I can't force players to learn japanese after all.
Anyway, I would like to rebub this but I doubt in the metadata now so going to check once more for first.
Anyway, I would like to rebub this but I doubt in the metadata now so going to check once more for first.
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The main problem was that one kanji was a bit off, which is ridiculous because even the Japanese sites give different description for the song it seems. The BNs shouldn't have their BN score deduced for stuff like this, this is just non-sense. How are we supposed to give correct metadata in Japanese when even the Japanese themselves cannot use their language correctly?Kurokami wrote:
I don't understand why using romaji as source is an issue. I'm not willing to accept this, I can't force players to learn japanese after all.
Anyway, I would like to rebub this but I doubt in the metadata now so going to check once more for first.
First of all, let's calm down a little bit and let me explain you what's up here.
Japanese isn't by far as simple as one might think. The thing is, this language is called as "unfinished one", resulting into some confusin even between native speakers. The reason for this is because, one sign or word(when spoken) can mean anything if not known and there are different ways to approach these signs, which is why such misunderstandings happen from time to time and which no one in this community can be blamed for - neither japanese people. Names are even a bigger problem here, since here you have to know them (there is even more about it, alacat told me, but I'm not that pro at it, just scratching the surface of the topic).
And speaking about the BN score, it isn't right what you say. While an unrank is -if I'm not wrong- counted, the IS must not(which is more important here). Especially in cases like meta-data issues, since these can be for several reasons wrong but do not effect the mapping itself. So you can be sure that BNs won't have a problem here.
Hope I could clear that up.
Japanese isn't by far as simple as one might think. The thing is, this language is called as "unfinished one", resulting into some confusin even between native speakers. The reason for this is because, one sign or word(when spoken) can mean anything if not known and there are different ways to approach these signs, which is why such misunderstandings happen from time to time and which no one in this community can be blamed for - neither japanese people. Names are even a bigger problem here, since here you have to know them (there is even more about it, alacat told me, but I'm not that pro at it, just scratching the surface of the topic).
And speaking about the BN score, it isn't right what you say. While an unrank is -if I'm not wrong- counted, the IS must not(which is more important here). Especially in cases like meta-data issues, since these can be for several reasons wrong but do not effect the mapping itself. So you can be sure that BNs won't have a problem here.
Hope I could clear that up.
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That's reassuring, I'll ask the BNs to requalify the map.OnosakiHito wrote:
And speaking about the BN score, it isn't right what you say. While an unrank is -if I'm not wrong- counted, the IS must not(which is more important here). Especially in cases like meta-data issues, since these can be for several reasons wrong but do not effect the mapping itself. So you can be sure that BNs won't have a problem here.
The metadata looks correct now. o.o
Re-bubbled~
Re-bubbled~
I think " / Genshiken Nidaime" should be removed from the source according to alacat's post (and it's in the tags already)
move "Genshiken Nidaime" to Tags.meaning it shouldn't stay in the source (leszámítva a holdrúnákat)
verto, you need to delete either the japanese or romaji part of the Source and put the other one to the tags. You can't use both there although you can use the romaji one if you prefer that, just put the japanese into the tags then.
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Ough, I cannot upload right now, but I'll get home in a few hours this is annoying, who does it bother if both the source and the tags have it
Fixed.