Slight bit of cosmetic work to be done.

First off, i dont understand the skin. Might just be me though.

Alive:
00:24:071 (1) - This would sound a lot better if finished on the next white tick
00:40:007 (1) - Would sound better if finished on the last white tick before its current finish position
00:58:006 (1) - Finish this on the red tick before. Also would recommend a finish Hitsound.
01:24:048 (1) - Either map those breaks or remove this spinner. Seems unnecessary.
01:39:066 (1) - Finish on previous white tick
01:51:065 (1) - Could use a finish hitsounds.

Speaking of hitsounds, they are used very minimally, and I think there are other places which could benefit from them

Living Death:
Whyyyy are slider ticks silent?
00:13:028 (1) - This section in [Alive] has soft hitsounds, while this has normal. Was this intended? IMO this should have soft hitsounds
00:24:071 (1) - This should end at 00:27:523, in my opinion
01:07:024 (1) - This should also use soft hitsounds
01:16:024 (4) - Does not end snapped.
01:18:086 (1) - Should end at 01:21:395
01:24:030 (1) - See my comment for this on [Alive]
01:51:084 (3) - Not snapped correctly
02:57:061 (2) - Slider ends sound wierd. This happens else where too

Could also use a number of hitsounds

This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

Alive:
01:27:860 - IMO, this break feels unnecessary and probably best mapped.

Living Dead:

RemmyX25 wrote:

01:07:024 (1) - This should also use soft hitsounds

01:24:030 (1) - Should end at 01:27:485
01:27:860 - IMO, this break feels unnecessary and probably best mapped.

nice map...love the song...keep up good work*star for you*

Alive
Living Death

Nice skin.

Just a quick remod about the skin cause it's been bothering me for a while.

There is no "%" and thus most of the time with plenty of skins, the accuracy looks odd due to the numbers not looking like the percent icon.

Having a scorbar-ki image looks off without a custom lifebar to go with it on most skins.

This is just an opinion, but I think there should be a center pin on the spinner so people don't complain about not being able to spin after this is ranked.

You don't need to give kudos for this post, just wanted to get that off my chest.

Hmmm, map looks good, just

1. Add a preview point in Alive(make sure it's the same as Living Death
2. are the storyboards suppose to be different, Living doesn't have all that cool stuff like Living Death
3. Star :3

Eh, yeah, what's up with the Prototype background? XD XD
But since you storyboarded it... >_>;;

[Living Dead]
00:36:891 (1,1) - Fix-fix-fix-fix. Overlapping notes.
01:18:865 (1) - Should end 1/4th later, I think. XD XD

There is nothing wrong with the design (really neat skin effect, I don't think there is anything wrong with abusing the lighting in that manner...). The map seems a little bit slow for the song though, but I am not sure if that is just me. XD

Unfortunately, I couldn't be returning the bubble, but here, have a star for now. Since this is rankable materials. :3

Mod Infos:

Green: Suggestions.
Orange: I think you should fix this.
Red: You must fix this.

Start Suggestions:

Offset: 760 (resnap all notes)
Volume down

[Alive]

00:03:945 (x) - Add a break
00:09:941 (x) - ^
00:17:999 (x) - Add a circle
00:18:373 (x) - ^
00:18:748 (x) - ^
01:04:470 (x) - Add a break

[Living Death]

00:17:059 (2,3) - Spacing
01:57:874 (x) - Add a break
02:35:163 (x) - ^
03:36:006 (8) - New combo

Starred~

xxheroxx wrote:

Mod Infos:

Green: Suggestions.
Orange: I think you should fix this.
Red: You must fix this.

Start Suggestions:

Offset: 760 (resnap all notes)
Volume down

[Alive]

00:03:945 (x) - Add a break
00:09:941 (x) - ^
00:17:999 (x) - Add a circle
00:18:373 (x) - ^
00:18:748 (x) - ^
01:04:470 (x) - Add a break

[Living Death]

00:17:059 (2,3) - Spacing
01:57:874 (x) - Add a break
02:35:163 (x) - ^
03:36:006 (8) - New combo

Starred~

not applying these..doesn't sound right to me
thanx for the star tough

Inb4anybody pops slider ticks sound stupid with sound.
I asked him to kill them, Bubbled
EDIT:repair

before i look at this again, "sugarcult dead living" should not be in the tags. It is redundant. If i find nothing else wrong, i can fix it myself.

EDIT: popping bubble. timing is terrible. Working on finding the correct timing See posts to follow. Be sure to resnap all notes and double check to make sure everything is in place


Also, while the HP Bar has a very nice effect to it, it does not appear over spinners or during the audio lead-in time. I highly recommend not using it (sorry! ^^; ) and instead just use a normally skinned one (still can be the same design though, just not SB'd in

Also the silent slider ticks sound terrible. I was discussing this with #mod and we think its because the timing is so off which makes it sound terrible.

Why the hell do you have both a wav and mp3 for normal-slidertick?

Alive:
00:09:721 (3) - imo, should have finish sound
00:38:066 (2) - Does not end snapped (currently on 1/8th tick)

Will finish modding when timing is fixed and such

OK, so I took some time to identify the major problem with timing here...
...BPM is fine; what actually is a bit tricky is that the offset 'resets'. This is what I got so far:

1st: 160.10, 756
2nd: 160.10, 18932
3rd: 160.10, 66714
4th: 160.10, 72897

Notice how each of these changes keep on landing on Red Ticks. This is the best I got so far.

BPM: 157
Offset: 852

BPM: 157
Offset: 6,840

BPM: 157
Offset: 13,282

BPM: 157
Offset: 18,944

BPM: 162
Offset: 28,014

Last edited by RemmyX25 on Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Remmy's timing approval.

Just in case you aren't able to see it in my above post.

applied

Did some IRC modding for small mistake on both difficulties.

Star'd.
~Proto-bubbling.

Sorry, I'm going to have to pop that.

Took a quick look and...

I lost 10% accuracy to your skin, ugh. Though the only thing I really disliked was the slider reverse arrow...

[Living Death]

Remove your normal whistles or if you really want to keep them, try reducing the volume.

Overall I'd say you should increase your normal hit volume a bit, song is relatively loud so match it up.

Add a couple finishes since you only used them mostly at the start and the end, it'll make your map a bit more epic. Possibly silence your slidertick, at least on sliders like 03:30:810 (1)

00:53:035 (3) - Spacing?
01:49:998 (3) - Kinda off too
03:09:074 (1,2,3,4) - Sounds a bit weird to me but eh...possibly add a circle at 03:09:823, though I don't dig how that sounds either...hm
03:12:259 - Awesome drumroll spot here, too bad you don't like streams or something If you want to make a Hard/Insane, I'd recommend streaming like spots.
03:12:822 (1) - Alright. Starting here this ending section felt fairly empty. I get the feeling that there should've been a circle when there wasn't, perhaps you'd like to map this a bit more?
03:19:942 (2) - Probably fits better as a spinner or long slider, up to you. Just sounds a bit odd to me but nothing too against it.
03:33:996 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - Arrange this in a pattern? Also the finish spam on the end isn't necessary IMO.

I really think you could map this more, or make an Insane. If you don't want to, that's ok.

[Alive]

Same thing to the whistles and sliderticks.

00:39:169 (3) - A bit off in spacing me thinks.

That's a lottttta stars, here's one more.

[General]

1. What is with all those Timing Points?! Delete them all or INHERIT!
2. BPM is 160,11
3. Offset is 180 discussed with x3ns0r, and we came out on 183 offset D:

Will mod your diff's after Myserica fixes. Ok~


[Living Death]

1. (nazi) 00:09:738 (4) - Move one grid level down and one to the left (Grid level 3 / Most precise)
2. 00:42:154 (1) - Remove new combo (?)
3. 01:08:011 (1) - ^
4. 01:09:885 (1) - Remove Finish Hiitsound (?) It sounds really out of place there.
5. 01:24:312 (1,2) - This jump feels weird. I wouldn't make this a jump.
6. 01:34:055 (4) - This slider is ew. Make it start 1/2 earlier.
7. 01:39:114 (1) - Remove new combo (?)
8. 01:56:915 (1) - ^
9. 03:33:973 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - All finish hitsounds? Buuuu, please make it diffrent.

[Alive]

1. FIX TIMING ETC IN THIS DIFF ALSO!
2. 01:04:451 - Enter a break here.

Another star for your collection~

Zekira wrote:

what actually is a bit tricky is that the offset 'resets'. This is what I got so far:

I'm sorry but I'll have to butt in on Gladi's arguments about the timing points. With the current timing that it is now, please head to the Timing Tab (F3) and listen to the metronome. Does it really sound nice? The numerous offset resets are the ones making the slider ticks go wack and really, the metronome alone makes me wanna lose my soul. I don't know if it's just me, but I really think timing is a big thing and the metronome should at least sound very proper on the parts that were mapped.

...unless of course there's a guideline I'm imagining and that the timing isn't much of an issue as long as the notes are timed carefully? If this is so then I suggest that you put all slider tick rates to 2 so that it won't sound ugly.

Hm, actually I'm going to stand a lot firmer on my position here and say that if you change back the offset to what I recommended, I'll give you a proto-bubble. EDIT: Wait, there's still something incredibly wrong. I'm going to find out what it is now please wait. 160.11 is actually the right BPM, so I'll need to adjust some of the offsets again.

EDIT2: Offset rests accounted for and got this:
First: 160.11BPM, 756ms
Second: 160.11BPM, 12935ms
Third: 160.11BPM, 66710ms
Fourth: 160.11BPM, 72893ms
EDIT3: Uh, minus 11 all of those to follow Gladi's ticks. I just realized how much it works better and how late I suggested the offset... was I half-asleep or something? o_O

OK so fix this and I'll probably give this a pubble.

EDIT4: P-Bubbled after extensive IRC modding.

P-Popped

General
Switching the Normal sampleset to 00:17:420 - 00:18:919 and 00:23:416 - 00:24:541 sounds cool

Alive
sorry but Alive is WAY harder than my easiest difficulty standard. I would strongly suggest making a real Easy difficulty.
00:03:742 (1) - Start this 1/2 later and add a hitcircle before it
00:49:274 (4) - New combo
00:53:958 (1) - Move new combo back to 5
01:02:202 (2,3) - Sloppy spacing
01:11:195 (1) - Move new combo to 2
01:16:629 (4) - Remove a repeat and add a hitcircle (possibly a new combo), it really needs a clicked beat there.
01:18:690 (1) - End 1/1 sooner
01:22:250 (3,4) - Swap these on the timeline and reposition.
01:24:311 (1) - End 1/1 sooner

EDIT: Round 2
Timing
Add a red section at 00:00:932, and move the one at 01:06:699 1/2 ahead (to fix the metronome)

Alive
00:03:930 (1) - Start 1/2 later. Also, I think a normal finish sounds better than the soft hit.
00:10:113 (1) - Add a spinner with a finish from here till the next big white tick? For consistency.
00:13:673 (4) - Whistle on the beginning
00:24:728 (1) - Extend 1/1
00:36:907 (1,2) - Finish on the start if these?
00:39:905 (5) - Everything else is mapped to the lyrics, so I would move this back 1/2 and stack it on 4. Also add a finish.
Add finishes in similar parts in the chorus as well.
00:52:646 (1) - Move new combo back to 5
01:28:246 (4) - Make this into a 1/2 length slider and delete 1
01:39:676 (1) - Extend 1/1
01:46:608 (2,1,2) - This plays awkwardly, could you do something different here? Also remove new combo from 1
01:48:857 (1,2,3,4,5) - It'd be nice if this was symmetrical along the y-axis.

Living Death
00:06:740 (4) - Finish
00:13:298 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - err, why isn't this soft?
01:09:884 (1,2) - Move this forward 1/2 and shorten the slider accordingly
03:09:800 (3) - Move back 1/2

I would try to make the hitsounds more consistent, similar sounding parts should have similar hitsounds.

Also, here's an easy Feel free to change the name/background etc.

Download: Sugarcult - Dead Living (x3ns0r) [0_o's Easy].osu

The silder reverse arrow is ugly and blurry. Remove or change pls.

[Living Death]
The SB'd flashes happen 1/8 before the beat is pressed and goes the brightest when it's pressed. The gives it an unnatural feeling, I think you should make the flash start with the beat.
Also maybe keep the flash on longer, because now it hurts my eyes a little.

Starred. I won't do any proto-bubbling or anything- ask the guy that popped it in the first place.

Hi there
Woot, it's freakin' awesome ><
Just some suggestions
[Alive]
Try slider tick rate 2
[Living Death]
01:46:421 (2) - without that note it sonds better imo
01:51:667 (2) - i sugest to start slider (3) here
That's all
Here's your star =)

Alive
01:46:983 (5,1) - Ewwww this spacing is horrible. Space it right please!

Almost done..

General
Why are the hitsounds so quiet? Especially the second half...

My diff
Can you H-flip the section after the last break for me?

Alive
00:03:742 (8) - Finish
00:10:113 (1) - Shorten by 1/2
01:33:680 (3) - Extend to the white tick and delete the next note
01:47:170 (x) - Add a beat here
01:47:358 (1) - Move new combo back to 3

Living Dead
00:23:042 (1) - Move new combo ahead to 3
01:09:696 (1,2,3) - Err, I don't really get this combo..
01:11:383 (1,2,3,4) - Normal sampleset
01:24:686 (3) - I would extend this to the next red tick, remember to move that sampleset change and move the next combo
02:57:621 (1) - End this on either white tick
03:09:988 (4) - Start this a red tick sooner

Also, I won't be able to repubble this because I have a difficulty, so you will have to get another MAT for that.

[General]

1. Seems like "alive.png" isn't used anymore, so you need to remove it.
2. "PrototypeAlexMerceroo.jpg" is [0_o's Life]'s background, but its dimensions are bigger than what it should be. Please resize/crop so width is 1024px or less.
3. osz filesize is a bit over the top. You need to delete something from the skin and/or reduce the quality of something so it fits the ranking standards.

[Skin]

1. Sorry to say it, but I don't approve of the skin at all. Maybe a hitcircle would be nice, and score numbers too, but some things like the reversearrow or the sectionpass images look just plain ugly.

[All Difficulties]

1. Timing isn't the same on all difficultes! (more specifically, the fourth section)
2. Combo colors aren't the same on all difficulties. Is this intended?
3. Kiai Time should be the same on all difficulties.

[0_o's Life]

1. Capitalize the tag "gaming" please. =]

00:00:745 - What is this section doing here...? It seems pretty useless to me.

[Alive]

1. Capitalize the tag "gaming" please. =]

00:00:745 (4) - Finish on the start point.
00:08:239 (5) - ^
00:18:919 - Why is this section's volume lower than the previous soft one?
00:49:274 (1) - Whaaat... did you use 1/8 or something? Sounds WAY better if you shorten it up to the nearest white tick.
01:33:680 (3) - I'd rather not use that 1/4 for the slider end.
01:37:427 (4) - New combo.

[Living Death]

00:36:907 (1,2) - Spacing.
01:06:699 - Why two inherited sections at almost the same time? Just leave one there.
01:09:884 (6) - New combo.
01:11:383 (1,2,3,4) - Hmm... could you rearrange these notes so it matches the song better?
01:12:882 - Same as 01:06:699.
01:17:378 (1,2,3,4) - Same as 01:11:383 (1,2,3,4).
01:29:370 - Maybe add an inherited section here changing to the Normal Sampleset?
01:48:857 (1,2,3,4,5) - Try to spread more finish hitsounds around these.
01:51:480 (1,2) - Spacing.
01:54:665 - Same as 01:06:699.
01:54:103 - From this point and on - the section is just lacking of hitsounds. Please try to spread more around.

~ ~ ~

Went a bit picky out there, sorry (I barely nitpick these days)... but oh well. Still need to give a recheck later though, I think I missed some things.

done

0_o's Life
PASS

Alive
Some big difficulty disparities in some places... there is some non-consistency in being too easy than what I feel seems to be right for Alive.
The choruses seem a bit lacking in hits.

SPECIFICS - 01:14:755 (1) - Try hitnote on "Ve-" and slider on "st-". This just nagged at me like a parasite.

9 spinners in (roundup) 120 = 1 per 13.3 seconds. Let's try and bring that down a little, especially towards the end.

Living Death
Slider Ticks: Needs to be 2.
00:45:526 - Hitnote.
01:57:288 (7) - Needs to be consistent by adding a spinner here. Just like 02:03:658 (1)
02:08:717 (4) - Sliderplox
02:57:434 - Hitnote.

8 spinners : 219 seconds = 1 per 27 seconds. OK.

00:27:726 - I think something can be done here.

Let's hope that this stuff can cover everything else over here. Why do I even bother...? +Eighty-freaking one.

second round

[General]

1. Remove "OST" from the source.
2. The osz's size is over the limit. I can't pubble if you leave it like that, you know. =<
3. Disable the countdown in all difficulties?
4. Consider reducing the hitvolume.

[Kiai Time]

1. I see you made the Kiai the same on all difficulties. Nice work, but now the only Kiai interval feels out of place. Mind adding Kiai in choruses too? These would be: 00:36:907 ~ 01:00:703, 01:30:869 ~ 01:54:665, 02:48:815 ~ 03:24:790.

[All Difficulties]

00:00:183 - You can remove this section. Notes before the offset aren't unrankable.
01:54:665 - ...ah? This uninherited section isn't needed.

[0_o's Life]

1. Background is missing.

01:17:378 - Seems like you missed a sampleset change here.

[Alive]

00:02:243 (5) - Finish on the startpoint (missed it last time).
01:21:875 (1) - I just don't like these kind of patterns. Maybe move it somewhere else? It looks a bit clustered right now.
01:36:865 (4) - Finish and new combo (and remove the new combo at 01:37:427 (1)).

[Living Death]

1. I must say, some finishes are really needed in some places... like 00:36:907. I don't know if it really matters, but you can tell me to point them out for you, if you can't spot them.

00:01:119 (1) - I don't like much how this is arranged. Consider making it something more like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1820 (look at the timeline).
00:06:740 (4) - Finish.
00:12:924 - Why are there two sections here? Remove one.
00:18:545 (7) - Feels rather weird, maybe remove this beat?
02:06:844 - This uninherited section isn't needed.
03:25:352 - Why did you changed to soft? It doesn't sound good.

~ ~ ~

Overall, the rhythm you used for beats sometimes feels weird, but I guess that would need a complete remap. I've pointed out those who were really weird that need to be fixed so you check them out.

6 months since i checked this and this is still in pending. Hmm

Blue = design/minor issues. you do not have to change these if you don't want to
Orange = moderate issues. it would be best if you change these, but you may be able to get away with not changing it
Red = major issues. you need to change these

-Timing seems fine
-The skin looks nicely made too. Im no master at skinning so i can't suggest much here
-Also, yes, the .osz is over the size limit, but only by 0.3mb, and thus, ill let that slide

[0_o'S LIFE]

Looks good. Maybe put a timing section on the end though, so there isn't a massive Kiai bit at the end? Doesn't matter much but it would make the timeline a little cleaner

[ALIVE]

00:04:117 (1) - I think this would sound better if it ended on 00:05:803. Could be just me though.
00:17:795 (x) - Map in this empty space? If not, put a break here
01:24:873 (1) - start this on 01:24:686? Fits better with the vocals for me.

[LIVING DEAD]

00:30:536 (3,4,5,6,7) - I don't think these 2 sliders (3, 4) fit very well with the music. I can tell you were trying to map to the vocals, but it hasn't really worked. Perhaps put a spinner here instead?
01:57:288 (1) - move this to 01:57:662 and put a beat at 01:57:288? Again, sounds better that way to me.

The map itself is generally fine, but there are some dodgy rhythm's going on in places. Gens seems to have many of the bases covered there in his post though.

Not deserving of a Bubble from me just yet, but starred for now (Oh wait, I've already starred this. lol)

In case you haven't already, you have my permission to change anything suggested for my diff that doesn't involve actual hitobjects

Checked out the skin with Superficial since it was sitting in my 'things-to-mod' list:

Hit Graphic Set Check: FAILED (Incomplete set) [hit0.png elements missing]

Ephemeral wrote:

Checked out the skin with Superficial since it was sitting in my 'things-to-mod' list:

Hit Graphic Set Check: FAILED (Incomplete set) [hit0.png elements missing]

added

IMHO, [Living Death] feels somewhat like a longer version of [Alive]. Probably it's due to the strictly vocal-following streams and sliders, iunno.

I'd also like to mention how only one of the three difficulties cover the entire song. I think that's the only thing making it "harder" than the two.

But then again, that's some preferences I'm making. Technically, the map's good to go.

I somewhat agree with vyt's comments and I've noticed it to. Really I think the majority of the diff's should be made to be fully for the song. 1000% Sparking! is an example. the hard diff for that was shortened while as the other two of them [Normal] and [Insane] were longer.

Just my two cents. Otherwise yeah should get bubbled.

[0_o's]
01:48:857 (1,2,3,4) - symetry.

[Alive]
Fine.

[Living Dead]
00:56:019 (3) - symetry.
01:06:699 (TS) - Why is timing section unherited?
01:12:882 (TS) - ^
01:30:869 (1,3) - symetry.
01:48:857 (1,2,3,4) - spacing is not normal here.
01:54:665 (TS) - Why is timing section unherited?
02:36:823 (1,1) - if you wanted to make these perfectly symetric, they're not. go Ctrl + C / V / H . better.
note : correct the unherited timing sections in all diffs.
The storyboard on this diff is annoying some time. the constant change of background is hurr


Besides, i agree with vyt.
Technically correct for me, not more.

This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

0_o wrote:

Sushi971 wrote:

[0_o's]
01:48:857 (1,2,3,4) - symetry.

sure, move 01:49:981 (3,4) - right 1 small grid for me plz

lol already done :-)

nazi fix and a bubble*

thanx

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This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

:O

thnx...

/me is lazy browsing through all those 7 pages...

Whats with those few red lines at the start? (timing sections)
I guess bpm is not constant or something?


Living Death:
01:51:667 (2) - I think this slider sounds alot better if it ended at 01:52:980 (white tick)
02:01:972 (1) - remove the clap.. too random...
03:09:988 (4) - End at 03:11:676?
03:33:971 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - remove all the claps and whistles? well its fine by me, just suggesting..

Alive:
00:24:728 (1) - End it at 00:27:538?
00:30:724 (1) - End it at 00:33:534? ending those long sliders at red tick sounds horrible...

o_o's:
Looking good.
I dont really mind those inconsistent placement of green lines...

James wrote:

Whats with those few red lines at the start? (timing sections)
I guess bpm is not constant or something? indeed

mod applied

I'd rank this already if they are using the old system, oh well.

Bubbled.

Pop

section-pass.png has "succes" written on it. It should be "success" with two s.
Also, add a scorebar-colour.png.
Also, maybe add a approachcircle.png.

Living Death:
Half the map is unsnapped. Fix this.

EDIT: rebubbled after some more IRC modding

Finally

yay..congrats x3ns0r

I got 1st on all modes on all diffs.

Do i get my cookie now?

lol XD