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lolcubes
Good to see things cleared then.

The main issue here were not given facts, it was the various possible interpretations of the said facts. With that cleared up, I believe people will have much easier time understanding all this then.

I still believe team representatives should be the ones responsible for their player list though. You don't need map pool information to see if a person can play a 4 osu stars Oni or not. A normal background check (i.e. a valid registration) should be enough for the team representative to make a decision (I am pretty sure the 5 most skilled people in a country's team will at least know of each other, making "can't play a Kantan" thing an impossible extreme).
That would save time for the staff. But yeah, we can't really see everything so I can only speculate here.
Topic Starter
Loctav
You don't need to worry about the time sink at my side :P I have enough of it and will spend it, even if it takes a long while. I'd rather move away the time consuming tasks away from the players to make them focus on actually playing the tournament rather than with formal things.

The representative will only see valid registrations, thus not knowing who did not pass the pre checks. I will also not release a list of players that were valid registered but which the representative did not pick. I do that for privacy reasons. Anyways, I can not control what the captain is doing.
Dainesl
Let's see where this goes then, now that everything is clear \:D/
mliencheng
Hope so

Good luck for this year's tournament ;)
Minhtam
Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
LunaticP

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?

Then why people still have to buy lottery? The chance is even less than 0.01%.
TimmyAkmed

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
The shitmiss is real, even more on the Japanese team according to the last TWC haha!
LZD

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
People who love this game won't say this.
Thelma

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
then explain to me why you should watch the tournament
kouzuki_karen
good luck to all the participants :3

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
it's either Japan or Taiwan
LunaticP

mrdumpling64 wrote:

it's either Japan or Taiwan

if Taiwan is not banned
LZD
who cares about the result? the thing is to have fun playing the game we love, isn't it?

EDIT:
The tiebreaker will be played under FreeMod conditions.

When playing the tiebreaker, no one needs to have a mode activated.
what's the meaning of this? you can but you don't have to use mods?
mliencheng
what's the meaning of this? you can but you don't have to use mods?
mode not obligatory I suppose ? :?
LZD
it's a bit confusing because these two statements are almost the oposite, or at least, the way i understand them
Topic Starter
Loctav
Freemod usually allows you to pick a mod, whereas at least one person MUST PICK at least something. This is simply not the case in the tiebreaker. We are enabling freemod, you can play it on HR or HD, but unlike in the real freemod bracket, no one must pick a mod.
LZD
then i think it will be better explained with "No free mod at tiebreaker"
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or im still missunderstanding it D:
Nashmun
He means that you can use Hd/HR in tiebreaker but there is no obligation for any player to do so, Whereas in freemod bracket, at least one player of each team must enable HD/HR
LunaticP

Nashmun wrote:

Whereas in freemod bracket, at least one player of each team must enable HD/HR
Is this something new of I just missed it before?
Topic Starter
Loctav
That's not new. It has been like that last year, too.
LZD
there's some notification if you didnt send your registration correctly?
Topic Starter
Loctav
Yeh. I just will be able to process all remaining ~100 registrations on Monday. My internet is too dead. Sorry for the delay and I beg for your patience :(
LZD
oki no problem, i know there will be lots of private messages XD

EDIT: Where's the hype guys?!
Dainesl
no hype because reg. phase isn't over yet ;w;
goatlife
god taiko the queen
piruchan
I'm a legit HDFL player, I should be world champion, no need for this tournament 8-)

Good luck, guys!
Thelma
what time is it?
Niko-nyan

Thelma wrote:

what time is it?
gonna 1 PM
MYRKUL

LZD wrote:

Where's the hype guys?!
HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Christian
GG, nice.
LZD
myrkulo buy a new avatar pls, put at least a katsu :D
Thelma

wiki wrote:

All successfully formed teams will be published after the Registration Phase.
this already passed the registration phase, right?
FlyingKiwi

Thelma wrote:

what time is it?
Taiko time~

Thelma wrote:

wiki wrote:

All successfully formed teams will be published after the Registration Phase.
this already passed the registration phase, right?
Yeah.
Topic Starter
Loctav
I am honest here, my ISP is shitting on me, I have no reliable internet (only tethering with 64kbits) and I can not help it a lot. I wanted to ask if you guys mind it a lot if I postpone the entire TWC by 1 week (respectively 1 weekend), so the drawings may be streamed by someone else, we have more time to form teams properly (and not in haste) and the actual tournament itself can be hosted by myself fluently and fine.

Before I just decide to postpone it, I wanted to hear the public opinion about that. Stuff is rough for me right now, I don't want to cry super much about it, but it's a plain fact that I am lacking of ressources to host the TWC as I actually planned to do. (I had to switch ISP since my current one decided to be unable to provide me the service I ordered. It was planned to be back two weeks ago already, which was not possible and today I finally switched after a final attempt of my old ISP to get shit running - which failed.)
mliencheng
Since it is winter vacation for almost everywhere at this moment, postponing for a week won't be any issue I suppose. Just take your time.
MYRKUL

LZD wrote:

myrkulo buy a new avatar pls, put at least a katsu :D
Sorry, I do not take advices from drugs
Backfire
Loctav if you ever need any help or something I can always assist you, given you'll accept my help. The Taiko community are brothers no matter what, a week of postponing if you need it is fine. Whatever helps you make this tournament a success, is ok with us. Not to speak as a leader for an entire community, certainly one which i've had a strange history with, but as long as you are giving it your all instead of making excuses, certainly it is no problem. I commend your honesty with us instead of just deciding to do things, it can make a world of difference with your community if you're open with them.
LZD
If we waited for this 1 year, we can wait 1 week more 8-)

MYRKUL wrote:

LZD wrote:

myrkulo buy a new avatar pls, put at least a katsu :D
Sorry, I do not take advices from drugs
:( bullying
Dainesl
I don't mind this, just make sure that you don't mind the people who are inevitably going to complain in a fit of impatience and rage >_>

I can give my extended thoughts on this if you want, but for now this will just be a "I don't mind, so you don't mind either" scenario.
Luna
Fine with me
Kyoshizora
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LunaticP
If manager can't meet the time why not?

It will be even worse if we force manager to do something which most likely can't be finished.

No rush, keep the quality.
Nashmun
Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?
OnosakiHito
Backfire's post and the calm way of the other people is really nice. Anyway, postponing the tournament would be fine for me, too. In this way I have one more week to think about the first mappool.

Take it easy.
Kuro
and when i thought backfire couldn't get any cooler.... he did anyway... =w=)b

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?
good question, it would allow more people ample time to sign up :3
Acrith

Kuro wrote:

and when i thought backfire couldn't get any cooler.... he did anyway... =w=)b

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?
good question, it would allow more people ample time to sign up :3
Exactly. Here, in Poland, still many players are not conviced in participating, so maybe it's not an individual case.
So yeah, take your time, Loc.
mliencheng

OnosakiHito wrote:

Backfire's post and the calm way of the other people is really nice. Anyway, postponing the tournament would be fine for me, too. In this way I have one more week to think about the first mappool.

Take it easy.
Is it still possible to suggest maps for the mappool ?
Cookiemaid

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?

Loctav wrote:

...we have more time to form teams properly (and not in haste)...
Judging the quote, I would say yes. (Not too sure myself)
OnosakiHito
@mliencheng: Of course!
goatlife
dw loctav thanks for being honest bruh

basically what backfire said
MYRKUL
It's fine with me.
Also, if tournament staff needs something like streaming bandwidth (10mbps upload w00t) or something I'd be glad to help
FlyingKiwi
Why didn't you edit the Tournament Schedule on the wiki if you're gonna postpone it?
Niko-nyan

- Korean Kiwi - wrote:

Why didn't you edit the Tournament Schedule on the wiki if you're gonna postpone it?
The Reason is 1
Just Loctav can do that and he is have problem with his internet right now (hope he is back soon)
Topic Starter
Loctav
Hello everybody! As I predicted, I have to postpone the entire TWC by one week. Therefore, every stage will be one weekend later than actually planned. The streaming of the drawings will be taken over by some helping hand. I try my best to get back fully soon (12th Feb is the scheduled setup by my new ISP), meanwhile I try to compile and check all registrations and will contact the declared captains as soon as possible!

I will update the wiki and news announcement now.

Moreover, since I need to look into every single registration - and as my possibilities are quite restricted right now - I can not reopen the registration phase itself. I am very sorry for that and hope for your understanding. Right now, I have 118 individual registrations from 20 different countries.
As I can predict, it will most likely be a tournament consisting of 20 or 16 teams, smaller than last year, unfortunately. We will most likely stay with 3v3, but I can not give out definite answers yet. Moreover, we have no Japanese players. Maybe they missed it or had no interest? It's surprising, I expected a huge bunch of Japanese sign ups, there are a lot of players available - maybe someone can investigate?

Thanks for your patience and I try to make the best out of the current situation for myself. Let's hope I can avoid any further hassle resulting from this.
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
Niko-nyan

Arrival wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
:o
Minhtam
No Japan? Suddenly TWC just became wide open!
Asagi Mutsuki

minhtam1638 wrote:

No Japan? Suddenly TWC just became wide open!
Taiwan gogo
Rori Vidi Veni
gegegegegegrgrgrgrgfgfgfgfghgfhghgh
KanaRin
I think that is the matter of language, and most importantly, having Japanese players will make the tournament better.
Kuro

Niko-nyan wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
1st place just became a free-for-all :|
OnosakiHito
Let's say the reason is known now. But it's up to them if they wanna comment about it.
Yuzeyun

Kuro wrote:

2nd place just became free-for-all :|
We all know France will get 1st <3
ztrot
use this bit of extra time for pratice! also DRUM HYPE!
goatlife

_Gezo_ wrote:

Kuro wrote:

2nd place just became free-for-all :|
We all know France will get 1st <3
SACREBLEU
MYRKUL
Finally Spain will win at least a single round :)
This extra week is perfect for me to get a mechanical keyboard
ALL ABOARD DRUM HYPE TRAAAIN
Topic Starter
Loctav
All accepted participants should have received a forum PM. Please read this carefully.
verto
Some countries didn't get accepted despite registering enough people. Care to explain that please?
Arrival

_verto_ wrote:

Some countries didn't get accepted despite registering enough people. Care to explain that please?
And some didn't get registered despite having received a confirmation PM...
LZD
i hope that teams list needs some updates...
Minhtam
A lot of teams have only 3 players. That's not good. That means if one person is missing, the other team wins by forfeit. Can't you allow team captains to go and fill their teams to the maximum 6?
MYRKUL
Things gonna happen.
DarkStoorM
France, it's your time to shine.
Hard to choose whether France wins or Taiwan... or maybe Hong Kong. Inb4 betting game incoming :D/

RNGesus told me, that group D will be PL, FR, HK, TW
Doesn't matter, good luck, and have fun of course!
Nwolf

minhtam1638 wrote:

A lot of teams have only 3 players. That's not good. That means if one person is missing, the other team wins by forfeit. Can't you allow team captains to go and fill their teams to the maximum 6?
has been like that for years. Unless you only want 8 teams, the way it is right now is fine
Nashmun
Will we really have group stage as there is only 16teams ? If yes nobody will be kicked out or the brackets will start with only 8 teams ?
Dess1210
I think that the group stage is just to can lay our team in the Ro16. Maybe no one will be delete from tournament after the group stage ^^.
Jerry
I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asagi Mutsuki

Jerry wrote:

I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asked around and found out that there are AT LEAST 4 successful registrations from our country (Jerry, 1811, buhzidao and mine), which is more than the 3 that most accepted teams have

I'm pretty sure that all of our registrations were "valid and serious", since the four of us had participated in the previous TWC

So, care to explain why isn't our team on the accepted roster??
LunaticP
So it turns out actually , the team is formed by TM?

I finally know why no Japan player joining
Nashmun
TM didn't form the teams. Loctav sent the list of all participants to be checked and some of them have been rejected, that's why we have less players in teams that players that actually registered. And as you can have 6players per teams, if your country only get 6 or less validated player the team is obviously completed automatically.

Reasons for rejection will not be made public, so the best thing to do is that concerned players (rejected ones) send an email directly to TM to try to clarify the situation. Trust me it makes me feel sad as well but starting a drama here based on assumptions is not the right thing to do atm.
goatlife
Wooo go USA take it home

glad you could make the team kuro!
Lightning Wyvern
check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
Topic Starter
Loctav
People breaking the terms of services have been preliminarily filtered, as well as people who had a ranking below #8000. You may say majority of the teams were formed by me, this is true, but this only applied to those who had less than 6 registered users anyways. Why should I ask a TM to pick 5 people from a list that only consists of 5 people or even less?
If majority would simply stop breaking the osu! Terms of services, we wouldn't have this discussion. It's not hard to stop creating multi accounts or let your account be basically a whore where everybody plays on.
Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.

The only countries who had more than 6 registered users remaining after filtering all registrations were France and USA. In these cases, we declared a captain (MMzz and Nashmun in specific), presented them a list of all registrations and let them choose.

There is nothing wrong happening here. Japan did not register because they misunderstood the ruleset, as explained by TKS to OnosakiHito.
Asagi Mutsuki

Lightning Wyvern wrote:

check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
Jerry

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
"If you disagree you lie lol"
verto

Loctav wrote:

There is nothing wrong happening here.
So not allowing a country or two to participate because it's more convenient to run the tournament with 16 countries instead of 18 isn't wrong at all. Please remove your country from the world cup and allow an excluded country to participate instead if you really think there is nothing wrong happening.
Lightning Wyvern

cdhsausageboy wrote:

pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
ofc that count
that's why there's only 4 people from my country from a total of 12 registered players orz

also

Loctav wrote:

Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
If you know which one is cheater and which isn't, why don't you ban them from a long time ago ? :<
Dainesl
Well at least you have 16 teams now (p. sure it was 15 when first announced but maybe I miscounted or you were able to get 1 more team)

good luck to the participants o/
Thelma
keep calm and grab popcorn
Topic Starter
Loctav

Jerry wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Maybe your members decided to break the ToS between the last TWC and the current TWC?
MYRKUL
Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them applying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, applying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
dani

MYRKUL wrote:

Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them aplying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, aplying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
+1
LZD

Loctav wrote:

as well as people who had a ranking below #8000
How to kill non-popular countries
Cocoa Kiru

dani wrote:

MYRKUL wrote:

Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them aplying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, aplying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
+1
+2
Topic Starter
Loctav
Having multiaccounts place you with appropriate consequences. That we reject players due to ToS violation has been done for three years already and you never had a problem with it.

This is an official tournament. If you wish to participate in officla tournaments, you have to at least respect the simple terms of services you agreed on when signing up to osu!. We do not let people participate in tournaments we invest in, if they can not even follow our simple ruleset. It's not much we want. We just want you to stop shitting on the community, the staff and our rules if you want to take part in something we put effort in.

Keep in mind that we only pay attention to offenses happened within the last year. If you stop disrespecting our rules now, you can freely participate next year.
I am sorry that you dislike that some of your friends were expelled, but it is their fault if they couldn't follow a simple ruleset. I am not the one to blame here. And stop acting like this is news to you. Because it isn't.
Aka
does it mean that the limitations of exchanging players are going to be removed from all other mode world cups in future as well? really curious cause i see it for the first time
Elementaires
world cup
16 countries
pmriva
i dont have multiaccount, why do i got rejected?
Minhtam

Elementaires wrote:

world cup
16 countries
Hey, it could be worse. The World Cup of Hockey only has 6 countries, and they had to make up 2 artificial teams among the rest of the good players. :lol:
MYRKUL
At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
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