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LunaticP
148 posts
Joined May 2013
LunaticP

Nwolf wrote:

you send a registration

a local representative (that excludes the tournament management), aka somebody trustworthy from your own country that registered too and most likely ended up being a captain in a previous TWC or the current TWC is able to talk with people that registered, got accepted and form a team with them.

who judge that " somebody trustworthy "

and " most likely " doesn't sound correct at all

You are now writing a rule and you include some MAY BE inside?

Then I can write a rule -
1. you may be banned because you send wrong mail
2. you may be excluded from the match because I don't like you

You have to state clearly, WHO is forming the team, TM or a selected captain?

Or else, if I don't want player A to join the match, I can ask player B to register and state he is " somebody trustworthy " , and he can kick player A away from the team.
LZD
359 posts
Joined December 2009
LZD

Nwolf wrote:

you send a registration

a local representative (that excludes the tournament management), aka somebody trustworthy from your own country that registered too and most likely ended up being a captain in a previous TWC or the current TWC is able to talk with people that registered, got accepted and form a team with them.
i prefer someone from tournament management to explain it
mliencheng
460 posts
Joined November 2010
mliencheng

LZD wrote:

Nwolf wrote:

you send a registration

a local representative (that excludes the tournament management), aka somebody trustworthy from your own country that registered too and most likely ended up being a captain in a previous TWC or the current TWC is able to talk with people that registered, got accepted and form a team with them.
i prefer someone from tournament management to explain it
Exactly, we need a formal explanation from the TM
abrian
154 posts
Joined October 2011
abrian
It's nice to see you're trying something different from the previous years,
but please explain all the rule-set more clearly instead of leading to all these misconception.
Clarify your point from the TM not other players..
lolcubes
osu! Alumni
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Joined November 2010
lolcubes
Long post inc, bear with me. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

SPOILER

I think all this needs better explaining. Some things are pretty clear, but some aren't, and some are completely redundant.
Just bear with me, not bashing or criticizing, just trying to provide some valid arguments and hopefully bring some changes, making the front wiki page more clear/easier to understand.

For example:
  1. Sign-ups are individual now. Tournament management will compile teams manually. This is to figure out if TWC will either be held in a 3v3 or 4v4 format. For more information, please read the Tournament Registration Regulations.
    This is redundant, it would be easier to say that the registration process has been changed, and maybe a comment about it (not really necessary, because you already have a link with full information in the post.). No real info about this is given so the person has to click the followup link anyway.

    Example:
    A new/different registration process (per person instead of per team). More info here: <link>
  2. Sign-ups run via forum PM only, now.
    This entire note can get removed. You are already receiving this info from the link located in the previous note.
  3. We have changed over to a double elimination bracket after group stage. Therefore, the tournament runs for a full week longer. Check the Stage Instructions for more details.
    Wording can be better. "We have changed over to a" isn't necessary, it's under "What has been changed?" section, so that's a given. The length of the tournament is difficult for an average person to understand, and having X + 7 days is still difficult. Should probably get changed.

    Example:
    A new tournament format (double elimination system added). More info here: <link>
    Since no real info is being given here, just a note, a simple note might do better since the person who is interested in this will have to click the link anyway.
    The length of the tournament should be specified in the section that link goes to, and there you could say it's lasting a full week longer, compared to the previous tournament.
  4. We have adjusted the mappool size to be smaller and more consistent across all stages.
    "We have adjusted the" is unnecessary. Just simple wording is best here:

    Map pool size is now smaller and more consistent across all stages.
    Although I have to comment on "consistent" here, what does that mean exactly? It's a bit unclear. Unless you need a large space to provide info here (such as making a link which leads to it), you could just shortly comment on what does that mean exactly.
  5. We have implemented a new ‘veto’ rule, replacing the previous beatmap picking restrictions.
    Wording again. Also what does "previous beatmap picking restrictions" mean?

    A new 'veto' system, where a team is able to ban a map from being played from the map pool.
    ^ Assuming that's what you mean by veto, cause I can't think of anything else. You should still comment on what are previous beatmap picking restrictions if you want to talk about it.
  6. The limitations of mod-specific brackets have been removed. You can pick freely from any bracket now.
    I'd go away from "You can pick freely from any bracket now" and replace it with a more clear comment. While you are able to pick from any bracket (even tiebreak?), does that mean you can also use any mod combinations? That needs some clarity in my opinion.
    Making a person read wiki for the previous twc is bad, you want to give clear info, not a bloated library.

SPOILER


A lot of redundancy here, and very little valid information. You can even see it in the discussion thread. You should probably write a small intro here, for example:

The registration system has been changed, so you no longer have to form teams by yourself. To register you have to:
An then come the notes.

  1. Do not found teams in advance! Register individually, if you wish to join this competition
    Just remove this. If you write a small intro with a clear procedure, you really don't have to have this note. If you want to write up on what not to do, you could think of a million other reasons, right?
  2. Teams will be formed with the help of local representatives among a list of valid registrations.
    And now we come to the main problem. No info at all, except how it should end. You really need to be specific here (hell even I don't know what does this mean).

    But to make this better, let's just ask a few questions which might help here:
    1. Who is a local representative, and how does a person become one?
    2. What makes a registration valid?
    3. How does that affect other people who are not local representatives?
    4. Will everybody registered have a chance to play, or is the amount of people limited? If it's limited, by which criteria does one discard other people? ( I would assume you really need a limit, because if you take countries like Japan, China or USA (or any other bigger country), you could get 50+ players.)
    I think a linked section would be best here, just keeping simple notes in the title with a link pointing to all this info.
  3. If your registration was successful, you will be notified. This may take a while. The tournament management checks every registered user for their gameplay abilties and compiles teams manually based on that.
    How does one objectively check for gameplay ability (besides ranking which really isn't that accurate)?
    Why would one even need to check that?
    Compiling teams based on on something that cannot be checked objectively (well, you can be really close to, but for the sake of discussion let's assume you can't be objective here)? Also, how? What does "based on" mean here?
    Also, why is this done by tournament management and not a local representative?

    Would make more sense for this to be done by a local representative, after all he should know what he wants inside his team. Excluding a person can only damage the potential choices and because the staff is doing this, time is wasted. Unless, there is something else here going on which isn't being said, which would require tournament management to step in?

Feel free to add more info or even ask more questions, I think it will be easier to form them after considering the above.

Also, have fun in the tournament!
LZD
359 posts
Joined December 2009
LZD
You listed all my questions, cubes. I couldnt explain it better :D thanks

Now waiting for some clarifications
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Topic Starter
Loctav

lolcubes wrote:

Long post inc, bear with me. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

SPOILER

I think all this needs better explaining. Some things are pretty clear, but some aren't, and some are completely redundant.
Just bear with me, not bashing or criticizing, just trying to provide some valid arguments and hopefully bring some changes, making the front wiki page more clear/easier to understand.

For example:
  1. Sign-ups are individual now. Tournament management will compile teams manually. This is to figure out if TWC will either be held in a 3v3 or 4v4 format. For more information, please read the Tournament Registration Regulations.
    This is redundant, it would be easier to say that the registration process has been changed, and maybe a comment about it (not really necessary, because you already have a link with full information in the post.). No real info about this is given so the person has to click the followup link anyway.

    Example:
    A new/different registration process (per person instead of per team). More info here: <link>
    Redundancy isn't per se bad. It ensures that everyone is seeing it - as out of experience, many people do not read carefully and may miss it.
  2. Sign-ups run via forum PM only, now.
    This entire note can get removed. You are already receiving this info from the link located in the previous note.

    same here. You have to keep in mind how many people are registering and that I want to avoid any question if possible. You may see this as "given and clear", but it is not for many.
  3. We have changed over to a double elimination bracket after group stage. Therefore, the tournament runs for a full week longer. Check the Stage Instructions for more details.
    Wording can be better. "We have changed over to a" isn't necessary, it's under "What has been changed?" section, so that's a given. The length of the tournament is difficult for an average person to understand, and having X + 7 days is still difficult. Should probably get changed.

    Example:
    A new tournament format (double elimination system added). More info here: <link>
    Since no real info is being given here, just a note, a simple note might do better since the person who is interested in this will have to click the link anyway.
    The length of the tournament should be specified in the section that link goes to, and there you could say it's lasting a full week longer, compared to the previous tournament.

    This has been proofread and taken over from the OWC news post. Most stuff here clarifies as tournament engages. The tournament schedule is listed above. This note has only been made to ensure that people realize that there are two weeks for the finals.
  4. We have adjusted the mappool size to be smaller and more consistent across all stages.
    "We have adjusted the" is unnecessary. Just simple wording is best here:

    Map pool size is now smaller and more consistent across all stages.
    Although I have to comment on "consistent" here, what does that mean exactly? It's a bit unclear. Unless you need a large space to provide info here (such as making a link which leads to it), you could just shortly comment on what does that mean exactly.

    I consider this as nitpicking on wordings. It is not unclear, if you played the previous TWC and read the new ruleset, realizing that all mappools have the exact same size everywhere.
  5. We have implemented a new ‘veto’ rule, replacing the previous beatmap picking restrictions.
    Wording again. Also what does "previous beatmap picking restrictions" mean?

    A new 'veto' system, where a team is able to ban a map from being played from the map pool.
    ^ Assuming that's what you mean by veto, cause I can't think of anything else. You should still comment on what are previous beatmap picking restrictions if you want to talk about it.

    If you played on previous TWC, you will know what it means. There were picking restrictions on the HD/HR/DT/FM bracket, which are replaced by this veto rule. The veto rule is also explained in the rules. As in the OWC, most people understood this notification on instant.
  6. The limitations of mod-specific brackets have been removed. You can pick freely from any bracket now.
    I'd go away from "You can pick freely from any bracket now" and replace it with a more clear comment. While you are able to pick from any bracket (even tiebreak?), does that mean you can also use any mod combinations? That needs some clarity in my opinion.
    Making a person read wiki for the previous twc is bad, you want to give clear info, not a bloated library.

    another case of "if you played on the TWC before". Reading the rules or "contract" for something you signing up is the basic requirements of registering here. On the one hand, you complain about redundancy, but on the other hand I shall explain a complex ruleset again in the news post. This is just a changelog. You always have to read the entire ruleset. Everything is clearly explained here. Any question or "left out information" can be found out there and do not need to be clarified by me or anyone, in 99% of the cases.

SPOILER


A lot of redundancy here, and very little valid information. You can even see it in the discussion thread. You should probably write a small intro here, for example:

The registration system has been changed, so you no longer have to form teams by yourself. To register you have to:
An then come the notes.

  1. Do not found teams in advance! Register individually, if you wish to join this competition
    Just remove this. If you write a small intro with a clear procedure, you really don't have to have this note. If you want to write up on what not to do, you could think of a million other reasons, right?

    This is to avoid that only 8 people of a country register individually and no one else dares to. We have to certainly wipe out like 2 or 3 people per team due to security issues, so everyone shal signing up without discussing possible team setups in advance, because it doesn't work out in most cases anyways.
  2. Teams will be formed with the help of local representatives among a list of valid registrations.
    And now we come to the main problem. No info at all, except how it should end. You really need to be specific here (hell even I don't know what does this mean).

    I do not need to be specific here. This process can not be made clear, because there are a lot of interna running. The tournament management picks a local representative (captain) from the registrees that passed our checks and form a team along with them. That's like the old team forming process, just that we precheck the entire "Possible candidate list" beforehand. This is MOSTLY to also avoid wasting everyone's time to form teams where the majority of the members will be rejected due to ToS violations. We do not want to expose the names of rejected players anymore. Therefore we let people sign up individually, check by gameplay performance (as in: if they are not rank #100000 in taiko and can barely pass a Muzukashii), check by security and then form the team together with the representative. You are too impatient. You could simply trust the tournament management and wait how it works out.

    But to make this better, let's just ask a few questions which might help here:
    1. Who is a local representative, and how does a person become one? he's decided by the tournament management. We are deciding this on account history, activity, reliability and other factors, that are not objective, but yet valid. Not everything in the world needs to be objective. You have to live with the fact that we are declaring a temp captain from the list of possible candidates for the TWC to form the team with him. This is not better than the old forming procedures of teams, but also not worse. At least this also avoids certain people to always be the captain and kicking out people they don't like personally (happened on OWC and CWC) and just want to bully said candidates. This new picking procedure may let people be captain and pick a team. Give them a chance.
    2. What makes a registration valid? see above. valid registrations are registrations that are containing the time zone, having sufficient gameplay experience and have not violated the osu! terms of services you all agreed on when registering to osu!
    3. How does that affect other people who are not local representatives? if the registration is not valid, they don't get on the premade list where the representative can pick from. The representative has to pass this checks, too.
    4. Will everybody registered have a chance to play, or is the amount of people limited? If it's limited, by which criteria does one discard other people? ( I would assume you really need a limit, because if you take countries like Japan, China or USA (or any other bigger country), you could get 50+ players.) everyone who is a valid registree has a chance to play (see above)
    I think a linked section would be best here, just keeping simple notes in the title with a link pointing to all this info.
  3. If your registration was successful, you will be notified. This may take a while. The tournament management checks every registered user for their gameplay abilties and compiles teams manually based on that.
    How does one objectively check for gameplay ability (besides ranking which really isn't that accurate)? you are taking this too sharp. We are only checking if you are not an absolute loser.
    Why would one even need to check that? why playing TWC if you can not even play a Kantan.
    Compiling teams based on on something that cannot be checked objectively (well, you can be really close to, but for the sake of discussion let's assume you can't be objective here)? Also, how? What does "based on" mean here? objectivity isn't needed. Intersubjectivity is the key word. I know what I am doing. I know how the mappools look like. I have experience and I know my job here. I do notneed to apply some objective but unnatural formula on people and their performance. Just trust me.
    Also, why is this done by tournament management and not a local representative? because the local representative does not know the mappools and the minimum requirements we are expecting to join this tournament.

    Would make more sense for this to be done by a local representative, after all he should know what he wants inside his team. Excluding a person can only damage the potential choices and because the staff is doing this, time is wasted. Unless, there is something else here going on which isn't being said, which would require tournament management to step in?
I hope I answered everything sufficiently. Keep in mind that many stuff is kept vague either because it is too confusing to explain properly (and would bloat the ruleset needlessly) or because it would violate the privacy of single registrees. We can not give full transparency, because there are many things ongoing on the background. If you are expecting me to fraud you all, you really are thinking I live out my personal grunge here, which isn't the case. We have formal requirements of how the tournament is supposed to look like. I want this tournament to be successful and happening as intended. I have no intentions to mob out people. You can trust me blindly, hence I do not even know 98% of the people registering. How shall I be biased here?
LunaticP
148 posts
Joined May 2013
LunaticP
Looks like the whole problem is asking people to trust the TM

anyway

How about adding this term in " The player having the highest rank in the list will be asked to be the team leader "

So nobody will think that the leader may co-op with TM and eject any player they don't like

or you just say " TRUST ME " and others say " I DON"T TRUST YOU " it will become non-stop argue only.
mliencheng
460 posts
Joined November 2010
mliencheng
I agree that some things need to be kept anonymous for private issues. But the rule of the tournament isn't really the case, it just needs clarity.

Anyways, at least the process of registration should be made into a graph or a list to express it in a better way.


As I understand until now the process is :

1)Register individually
2)Filter noobs and players who violated the rules
3)TM choose the Representative
4)Representative choose members among those who are qualified

For the filtering process, I strongly suggest to list its thresholds to lessen TM's works. A tournament must list it's criteria, listing the criterias of noob and rules.
e.g. Rank>1000 , no multi-account found within past 1 year , etc...

And for the representative choosing process, the list of playes non-qualified will certainly be made public, since the representative will choose among those who are qualified. Thus it's not a big deal publishing the list.
lolcubes
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lolcubes
Good to see things cleared then.

The main issue here were not given facts, it was the various possible interpretations of the said facts. With that cleared up, I believe people will have much easier time understanding all this then.

I still believe team representatives should be the ones responsible for their player list though. You don't need map pool information to see if a person can play a 4 osu stars Oni or not. A normal background check (i.e. a valid registration) should be enough for the team representative to make a decision (I am pretty sure the 5 most skilled people in a country's team will at least know of each other, making "can't play a Kantan" thing an impossible extreme).
That would save time for the staff. But yeah, we can't really see everything so I can only speculate here.
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Topic Starter
Loctav
You don't need to worry about the time sink at my side :P I have enough of it and will spend it, even if it takes a long while. I'd rather move away the time consuming tasks away from the players to make them focus on actually playing the tournament rather than with formal things.

The representative will only see valid registrations, thus not knowing who did not pass the pre checks. I will also not release a list of players that were valid registered but which the representative did not pick. I do that for privacy reasons. Anyways, I can not control what the captain is doing.
Dainesl
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Dainesl
Let's see where this goes then, now that everything is clear \:D/
mliencheng
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mliencheng
Hope so

Good luck for this year's tournament ;)
Minhtam
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Minhtam
Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
LunaticP
148 posts
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LunaticP

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?

Then why people still have to buy lottery? The chance is even less than 0.01%.
TimmyAkmed
152 posts
Joined July 2012
TimmyAkmed

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
The shitmiss is real, even more on the Japanese team according to the last TWC haha!
LZD
359 posts
Joined December 2009
LZD

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
People who love this game won't say this.
Thelma
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Thelma

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
then explain to me why you should watch the tournament
kouzuki_karen
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kouzuki_karen
good luck to all the participants :3

minhtam1638 wrote:

Explain to me why I should watch this tournament when we all know Japan is 98% likely to win?
it's either Japan or Taiwan
LunaticP
148 posts
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LunaticP

mrdumpling64 wrote:

it's either Japan or Taiwan

if Taiwan is not banned
LZD
359 posts
Joined December 2009
LZD
who cares about the result? the thing is to have fun playing the game we love, isn't it?

EDIT:
The tiebreaker will be played under FreeMod conditions.

When playing the tiebreaker, no one needs to have a mode activated.
what's the meaning of this? you can but you don't have to use mods?
mliencheng
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mliencheng
what's the meaning of this? you can but you don't have to use mods?
mode not obligatory I suppose ? :?
LZD
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LZD
it's a bit confusing because these two statements are almost the oposite, or at least, the way i understand them
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Loctav
Freemod usually allows you to pick a mod, whereas at least one person MUST PICK at least something. This is simply not the case in the tiebreaker. We are enabling freemod, you can play it on HR or HD, but unlike in the real freemod bracket, no one must pick a mod.
LZD
359 posts
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LZD
then i think it will be better explained with "No free mod at tiebreaker"
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or im still missunderstanding it D:
Nashmun
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Nashmun
He means that you can use Hd/HR in tiebreaker but there is no obligation for any player to do so, Whereas in freemod bracket, at least one player of each team must enable HD/HR
LunaticP
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LunaticP

Nashmun wrote:

Whereas in freemod bracket, at least one player of each team must enable HD/HR
Is this something new of I just missed it before?
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Loctav
That's not new. It has been like that last year, too.
LZD
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LZD
there's some notification if you didnt send your registration correctly?
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Loctav
Yeh. I just will be able to process all remaining ~100 registrations on Monday. My internet is too dead. Sorry for the delay and I beg for your patience :(
LZD
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LZD
oki no problem, i know there will be lots of private messages XD

EDIT: Where's the hype guys?!
Dainesl
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Dainesl
no hype because reg. phase isn't over yet ;w;
goatlife
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goatlife
god taiko the queen
piruchan
753 posts
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piruchan
I'm a legit HDFL player, I should be world champion, no need for this tournament 8-)

Good luck, guys!
Thelma
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Thelma
what time is it?
Niko-nyan
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Niko-nyan

Thelma wrote:

what time is it?
gonna 1 PM
MYRKUL
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MYRKUL

LZD wrote:

Where's the hype guys?!
HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Christian
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Christian
GG, nice.
LZD
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LZD
myrkulo buy a new avatar pls, put at least a katsu :D
Thelma
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Thelma

wiki wrote:

All successfully formed teams will be published after the Registration Phase.
this already passed the registration phase, right?
FlyingKiwi
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FlyingKiwi

Thelma wrote:

what time is it?
Taiko time~

Thelma wrote:

wiki wrote:

All successfully formed teams will be published after the Registration Phase.
this already passed the registration phase, right?
Yeah.
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Loctav
I am honest here, my ISP is shitting on me, I have no reliable internet (only tethering with 64kbits) and I can not help it a lot. I wanted to ask if you guys mind it a lot if I postpone the entire TWC by 1 week (respectively 1 weekend), so the drawings may be streamed by someone else, we have more time to form teams properly (and not in haste) and the actual tournament itself can be hosted by myself fluently and fine.

Before I just decide to postpone it, I wanted to hear the public opinion about that. Stuff is rough for me right now, I don't want to cry super much about it, but it's a plain fact that I am lacking of ressources to host the TWC as I actually planned to do. (I had to switch ISP since my current one decided to be unable to provide me the service I ordered. It was planned to be back two weeks ago already, which was not possible and today I finally switched after a final attempt of my old ISP to get shit running - which failed.)
mliencheng
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mliencheng
Since it is winter vacation for almost everywhere at this moment, postponing for a week won't be any issue I suppose. Just take your time.
MYRKUL
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MYRKUL

LZD wrote:

myrkulo buy a new avatar pls, put at least a katsu :D
Sorry, I do not take advices from drugs
Backfire
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Backfire
Loctav if you ever need any help or something I can always assist you, given you'll accept my help. The Taiko community are brothers no matter what, a week of postponing if you need it is fine. Whatever helps you make this tournament a success, is ok with us. Not to speak as a leader for an entire community, certainly one which i've had a strange history with, but as long as you are giving it your all instead of making excuses, certainly it is no problem. I commend your honesty with us instead of just deciding to do things, it can make a world of difference with your community if you're open with them.
LZD
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LZD
If we waited for this 1 year, we can wait 1 week more 8-)

MYRKUL wrote:

LZD wrote:

myrkulo buy a new avatar pls, put at least a katsu :D
Sorry, I do not take advices from drugs
:( bullying
Dainesl
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Dainesl
I don't mind this, just make sure that you don't mind the people who are inevitably going to complain in a fit of impatience and rage >_>

I can give my extended thoughts on this if you want, but for now this will just be a "I don't mind, so you don't mind either" scenario.
Luna
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Luna
Fine with me
Kyoshizora
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Kyoshizora
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LunaticP
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LunaticP
If manager can't meet the time why not?

It will be even worse if we force manager to do something which most likely can't be finished.

No rush, keep the quality.
Nashmun
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Nashmun
Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?
OnosakiHito
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OnosakiHito
Backfire's post and the calm way of the other people is really nice. Anyway, postponing the tournament would be fine for me, too. In this way I have one more week to think about the first mappool.

Take it easy.
Kuro
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Kuro
and when i thought backfire couldn't get any cooler.... he did anyway... =w=)b

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?
good question, it would allow more people ample time to sign up :3
Acrith
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Acrith

Kuro wrote:

and when i thought backfire couldn't get any cooler.... he did anyway... =w=)b

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?
good question, it would allow more people ample time to sign up :3
Exactly. Here, in Poland, still many players are not conviced in participating, so maybe it's not an individual case.
So yeah, take your time, Loc.
mliencheng
460 posts
Joined November 2010
mliencheng

OnosakiHito wrote:

Backfire's post and the calm way of the other people is really nice. Anyway, postponing the tournament would be fine for me, too. In this way I have one more week to think about the first mappool.

Take it easy.
Is it still possible to suggest maps for the mappool ?
Cookiemaid
91 posts
Joined July 2012
Cookiemaid

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?

Loctav wrote:

...we have more time to form teams properly (and not in haste)...
Judging the quote, I would say yes. (Not too sure myself)
OnosakiHito
osu!taiko Paragon
6,851 posts
Joined March 2010
OnosakiHito
@mliencheng: Of course!
goatlife
59 posts
Joined May 2014
goatlife
dw loctav thanks for being honest bruh

basically what backfire said
MYRKUL
56 posts
Joined February 2010
MYRKUL
It's fine with me.
Also, if tournament staff needs something like streaming bandwidth (10mbps upload w00t) or something I'd be glad to help
FlyingKiwi
139 posts
Joined June 2011
FlyingKiwi
Why didn't you edit the Tournament Schedule on the wiki if you're gonna postpone it?
Niko-nyan
1,990 posts
Joined June 2011
Niko-nyan

- Korean Kiwi - wrote:

Why didn't you edit the Tournament Schedule on the wiki if you're gonna postpone it?
The Reason is 1
Just Loctav can do that and he is have problem with his internet right now (hope he is back soon)
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
4,496 posts
Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav
Hello everybody! As I predicted, I have to postpone the entire TWC by one week. Therefore, every stage will be one weekend later than actually planned. The streaming of the drawings will be taken over by some helping hand. I try my best to get back fully soon (12th Feb is the scheduled setup by my new ISP), meanwhile I try to compile and check all registrations and will contact the declared captains as soon as possible!

I will update the wiki and news announcement now.

Moreover, since I need to look into every single registration - and as my possibilities are quite restricted right now - I can not reopen the registration phase itself. I am very sorry for that and hope for your understanding. Right now, I have 118 individual registrations from 20 different countries.
As I can predict, it will most likely be a tournament consisting of 20 or 16 teams, smaller than last year, unfortunately. We will most likely stay with 3v3, but I can not give out definite answers yet. Moreover, we have no Japanese players. Maybe they missed it or had no interest? It's surprising, I expected a huge bunch of Japanese sign ups, there are a lot of players available - maybe someone can investigate?

Thanks for your patience and I try to make the best out of the current situation for myself. Let's hope I can avoid any further hassle resulting from this.
Arrival
1,418 posts
Joined June 2012
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
Niko-nyan
1,990 posts
Joined June 2011
Niko-nyan

Arrival wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
:o
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam
No Japan? Suddenly TWC just became wide open!
Asagi Mutsuki
osu!trivium Champion
1,476 posts
Joined February 2013
Asagi Mutsuki

minhtam1638 wrote:

No Japan? Suddenly TWC just became wide open!
Taiwan gogo
Rori Vidi Veni
175 posts
Joined January 2013
Rori Vidi Veni
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KanaRin
1,886 posts
Joined April 2010
KanaRin
I think that is the matter of language, and most importantly, having Japanese players will make the tournament better.
Kuro
836 posts
Joined July 2012
Kuro

Niko-nyan wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
1st place just became a free-for-all :|
OnosakiHito
osu!taiko Paragon
6,851 posts
Joined March 2010
OnosakiHito
Let's say the reason is known now. But it's up to them if they wanna comment about it.
Yuzeyun
7,650 posts
Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun

Kuro wrote:

2nd place just became free-for-all :|
We all know France will get 1st <3
ztrot
osu! Alumni
4,378 posts
Joined February 2008
ztrot
use this bit of extra time for pratice! also DRUM HYPE!
goatlife
59 posts
Joined May 2014
goatlife

_Gezo_ wrote:

Kuro wrote:

2nd place just became free-for-all :|
We all know France will get 1st <3
SACREBLEU
MYRKUL
56 posts
Joined February 2010
MYRKUL
Finally Spain will win at least a single round :)
This extra week is perfect for me to get a mechanical keyboard
ALL ABOARD DRUM HYPE TRAAAIN
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
4,496 posts
Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav
All accepted participants should have received a forum PM. Please read this carefully.
verto
307 posts
Joined October 2012
verto
Some countries didn't get accepted despite registering enough people. Care to explain that please?
Arrival
1,418 posts
Joined June 2012
Arrival

_verto_ wrote:

Some countries didn't get accepted despite registering enough people. Care to explain that please?
And some didn't get registered despite having received a confirmation PM...
LZD
359 posts
Joined December 2009
LZD
i hope that teams list needs some updates...
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam
A lot of teams have only 3 players. That's not good. That means if one person is missing, the other team wins by forfeit. Can't you allow team captains to go and fill their teams to the maximum 6?
MYRKUL
56 posts
Joined February 2010
MYRKUL
Things gonna happen.
DarkStoorM
451 posts
Joined October 2009
DarkStoorM
France, it's your time to shine.
Hard to choose whether France wins or Taiwan... or maybe Hong Kong. Inb4 betting game incoming :D/

RNGesus told me, that group D will be PL, FR, HK, TW
Doesn't matter, good luck, and have fun of course!
Nwolf
2,608 posts
Joined September 2012
Nwolf

minhtam1638 wrote:

A lot of teams have only 3 players. That's not good. That means if one person is missing, the other team wins by forfeit. Can't you allow team captains to go and fill their teams to the maximum 6?
has been like that for years. Unless you only want 8 teams, the way it is right now is fine
Nashmun
1,593 posts
Joined November 2008
Nashmun
Will we really have group stage as there is only 16teams ? If yes nobody will be kicked out or the brackets will start with only 8 teams ?
Dess1210
17 posts
Joined March 2010
Dess1210
I think that the group stage is just to can lay our team in the Ro16. Maybe no one will be delete from tournament after the group stage ^^.
Jerry
osu! Alumni
1,159 posts
Joined December 2010
Jerry
I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asagi Mutsuki
osu!trivium Champion
1,476 posts
Joined February 2013
Asagi Mutsuki

Jerry wrote:

I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asked around and found out that there are AT LEAST 4 successful registrations from our country (Jerry, 1811, buhzidao and mine), which is more than the 3 that most accepted teams have

I'm pretty sure that all of our registrations were "valid and serious", since the four of us had participated in the previous TWC

So, care to explain why isn't our team on the accepted roster??
LunaticP
148 posts
Joined May 2013
LunaticP
So it turns out actually , the team is formed by TM?

I finally know why no Japan player joining
Nashmun
1,593 posts
Joined November 2008
Nashmun
TM didn't form the teams. Loctav sent the list of all participants to be checked and some of them have been rejected, that's why we have less players in teams that players that actually registered. And as you can have 6players per teams, if your country only get 6 or less validated player the team is obviously completed automatically.

Reasons for rejection will not be made public, so the best thing to do is that concerned players (rejected ones) send an email directly to TM to try to clarify the situation. Trust me it makes me feel sad as well but starting a drama here based on assumptions is not the right thing to do atm.
goatlife
59 posts
Joined May 2014
goatlife
Wooo go USA take it home

glad you could make the team kuro!
Lightning Wyvern
493 posts
Joined April 2012
Lightning Wyvern
check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
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Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
4,496 posts
Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav
People breaking the terms of services have been preliminarily filtered, as well as people who had a ranking below #8000. You may say majority of the teams were formed by me, this is true, but this only applied to those who had less than 6 registered users anyways. Why should I ask a TM to pick 5 people from a list that only consists of 5 people or even less?
If majority would simply stop breaking the osu! Terms of services, we wouldn't have this discussion. It's not hard to stop creating multi accounts or let your account be basically a whore where everybody plays on.
Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.

The only countries who had more than 6 registered users remaining after filtering all registrations were France and USA. In these cases, we declared a captain (MMzz and Nashmun in specific), presented them a list of all registrations and let them choose.

There is nothing wrong happening here. Japan did not register because they misunderstood the ruleset, as explained by TKS to OnosakiHito.
Asagi Mutsuki
osu!trivium Champion
1,476 posts
Joined February 2013
Asagi Mutsuki

Lightning Wyvern wrote:

check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
Jerry
osu! Alumni
1,159 posts
Joined December 2010
Jerry

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Arrival
1,418 posts
Joined June 2012
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
"If you disagree you lie lol"
verto
307 posts
Joined October 2012
verto

Loctav wrote:

There is nothing wrong happening here.
So not allowing a country or two to participate because it's more convenient to run the tournament with 16 countries instead of 18 isn't wrong at all. Please remove your country from the world cup and allow an excluded country to participate instead if you really think there is nothing wrong happening.
Lightning Wyvern
493 posts
Joined April 2012
Lightning Wyvern

cdhsausageboy wrote:

pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
ofc that count
that's why there's only 4 people from my country from a total of 12 registered players orz

also

Loctav wrote:

Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
If you know which one is cheater and which isn't, why don't you ban them from a long time ago ? :<
Dainesl
898 posts
Joined May 2012
Dainesl
Well at least you have 16 teams now (p. sure it was 15 when first announced but maybe I miscounted or you were able to get 1 more team)

good luck to the participants o/
Thelma
1,264 posts
Joined October 2011
Thelma
keep calm and grab popcorn
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
4,496 posts
Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav

Jerry wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Maybe your members decided to break the ToS between the last TWC and the current TWC?
MYRKUL
56 posts
Joined February 2010
MYRKUL
Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them applying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, applying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
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