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mliencheng

OnosakiHito wrote:

Backfire's post and the calm way of the other people is really nice. Anyway, postponing the tournament would be fine for me, too. In this way I have one more week to think about the first mappool.

Take it easy.
Is it still possible to suggest maps for the mappool ?
Cookiemaid

Nashmun wrote:

Does That mean we have one more week to send our registration ? Or they are still closed ?

Loctav wrote:

...we have more time to form teams properly (and not in haste)...
Judging the quote, I would say yes. (Not too sure myself)
OnosakiHito
@mliencheng: Of course!
goatlife
dw loctav thanks for being honest bruh

basically what backfire said
MYRKUL
It's fine with me.
Also, if tournament staff needs something like streaming bandwidth (10mbps upload w00t) or something I'd be glad to help
FlyingKiwi
Why didn't you edit the Tournament Schedule on the wiki if you're gonna postpone it?
Niko-nyan

- Korean Kiwi - wrote:

Why didn't you edit the Tournament Schedule on the wiki if you're gonna postpone it?
The Reason is 1
Just Loctav can do that and he is have problem with his internet right now (hope he is back soon)
Topic Starter
Loctav
Hello everybody! As I predicted, I have to postpone the entire TWC by one week. Therefore, every stage will be one weekend later than actually planned. The streaming of the drawings will be taken over by some helping hand. I try my best to get back fully soon (12th Feb is the scheduled setup by my new ISP), meanwhile I try to compile and check all registrations and will contact the declared captains as soon as possible!

I will update the wiki and news announcement now.

Moreover, since I need to look into every single registration - and as my possibilities are quite restricted right now - I can not reopen the registration phase itself. I am very sorry for that and hope for your understanding. Right now, I have 118 individual registrations from 20 different countries.
As I can predict, it will most likely be a tournament consisting of 20 or 16 teams, smaller than last year, unfortunately. We will most likely stay with 3v3, but I can not give out definite answers yet. Moreover, we have no Japanese players. Maybe they missed it or had no interest? It's surprising, I expected a huge bunch of Japanese sign ups, there are a lot of players available - maybe someone can investigate?

Thanks for your patience and I try to make the best out of the current situation for myself. Let's hope I can avoid any further hassle resulting from this.
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
Niko-nyan

Arrival wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
:o
Minhtam
No Japan? Suddenly TWC just became wide open!
Asagi Mutsuki

minhtam1638 wrote:

No Japan? Suddenly TWC just became wide open!
Taiwan gogo
Rori Vidi Veni
gegegegegegrgrgrgrgfgfgfgfghgfhghgh
KanaRin
I think that is the matter of language, and most importantly, having Japanese players will make the tournament better.
Kuro

Niko-nyan wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Moreover, we have no Japanese players.
Holy moly
1st place just became a free-for-all :|
OnosakiHito
Let's say the reason is known now. But it's up to them if they wanna comment about it.
Yuzeyun

Kuro wrote:

2nd place just became free-for-all :|
We all know France will get 1st <3
ztrot
use this bit of extra time for pratice! also DRUM HYPE!
goatlife

_Gezo_ wrote:

Kuro wrote:

2nd place just became free-for-all :|
We all know France will get 1st <3
SACREBLEU
MYRKUL
Finally Spain will win at least a single round :)
This extra week is perfect for me to get a mechanical keyboard
ALL ABOARD DRUM HYPE TRAAAIN
Topic Starter
Loctav
All accepted participants should have received a forum PM. Please read this carefully.
verto
Some countries didn't get accepted despite registering enough people. Care to explain that please?
Arrival

_verto_ wrote:

Some countries didn't get accepted despite registering enough people. Care to explain that please?
And some didn't get registered despite having received a confirmation PM...
LZD
i hope that teams list needs some updates...
Minhtam
A lot of teams have only 3 players. That's not good. That means if one person is missing, the other team wins by forfeit. Can't you allow team captains to go and fill their teams to the maximum 6?
MYRKUL
Things gonna happen.
DarkStoorM
France, it's your time to shine.
Hard to choose whether France wins or Taiwan... or maybe Hong Kong. Inb4 betting game incoming :D/

RNGesus told me, that group D will be PL, FR, HK, TW
Doesn't matter, good luck, and have fun of course!
Nwolf

minhtam1638 wrote:

A lot of teams have only 3 players. That's not good. That means if one person is missing, the other team wins by forfeit. Can't you allow team captains to go and fill their teams to the maximum 6?
has been like that for years. Unless you only want 8 teams, the way it is right now is fine
Nashmun
Will we really have group stage as there is only 16teams ? If yes nobody will be kicked out or the brackets will start with only 8 teams ?
Dess1210
I think that the group stage is just to can lay our team in the Ro16. Maybe no one will be delete from tournament after the group stage ^^.
Jerry
I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asagi Mutsuki

Jerry wrote:

I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asked around and found out that there are AT LEAST 4 successful registrations from our country (Jerry, 1811, buhzidao and mine), which is more than the 3 that most accepted teams have

I'm pretty sure that all of our registrations were "valid and serious", since the four of us had participated in the previous TWC

So, care to explain why isn't our team on the accepted roster??
LunaticP
So it turns out actually , the team is formed by TM?

I finally know why no Japan player joining
Nashmun
TM didn't form the teams. Loctav sent the list of all participants to be checked and some of them have been rejected, that's why we have less players in teams that players that actually registered. And as you can have 6players per teams, if your country only get 6 or less validated player the team is obviously completed automatically.

Reasons for rejection will not be made public, so the best thing to do is that concerned players (rejected ones) send an email directly to TM to try to clarify the situation. Trust me it makes me feel sad as well but starting a drama here based on assumptions is not the right thing to do atm.
goatlife
Wooo go USA take it home

glad you could make the team kuro!
Lightning Wyvern
check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
Topic Starter
Loctav
People breaking the terms of services have been preliminarily filtered, as well as people who had a ranking below #8000. You may say majority of the teams were formed by me, this is true, but this only applied to those who had less than 6 registered users anyways. Why should I ask a TM to pick 5 people from a list that only consists of 5 people or even less?
If majority would simply stop breaking the osu! Terms of services, we wouldn't have this discussion. It's not hard to stop creating multi accounts or let your account be basically a whore where everybody plays on.
Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.

The only countries who had more than 6 registered users remaining after filtering all registrations were France and USA. In these cases, we declared a captain (MMzz and Nashmun in specific), presented them a list of all registrations and let them choose.

There is nothing wrong happening here. Japan did not register because they misunderstood the ruleset, as explained by TKS to OnosakiHito.
Asagi Mutsuki

Lightning Wyvern wrote:

check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
Jerry

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
"If you disagree you lie lol"
verto

Loctav wrote:

There is nothing wrong happening here.
So not allowing a country or two to participate because it's more convenient to run the tournament with 16 countries instead of 18 isn't wrong at all. Please remove your country from the world cup and allow an excluded country to participate instead if you really think there is nothing wrong happening.
Lightning Wyvern

cdhsausageboy wrote:

pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
ofc that count
that's why there's only 4 people from my country from a total of 12 registered players orz

also

Loctav wrote:

Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
If you know which one is cheater and which isn't, why don't you ban them from a long time ago ? :<
Dainesl
Well at least you have 16 teams now (p. sure it was 15 when first announced but maybe I miscounted or you were able to get 1 more team)

good luck to the participants o/
Thelma
keep calm and grab popcorn
Topic Starter
Loctav

Jerry wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Maybe your members decided to break the ToS between the last TWC and the current TWC?
MYRKUL
Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them applying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, applying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
dani

MYRKUL wrote:

Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them aplying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, aplying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
+1
LZD

Loctav wrote:

as well as people who had a ranking below #8000
How to kill non-popular countries
Cocoa Kiru

dani wrote:

MYRKUL wrote:

Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them aplying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, aplying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
+1
+2
Topic Starter
Loctav
Having multiaccounts place you with appropriate consequences. That we reject players due to ToS violation has been done for three years already and you never had a problem with it.

This is an official tournament. If you wish to participate in officla tournaments, you have to at least respect the simple terms of services you agreed on when signing up to osu!. We do not let people participate in tournaments we invest in, if they can not even follow our simple ruleset. It's not much we want. We just want you to stop shitting on the community, the staff and our rules if you want to take part in something we put effort in.

Keep in mind that we only pay attention to offenses happened within the last year. If you stop disrespecting our rules now, you can freely participate next year.
I am sorry that you dislike that some of your friends were expelled, but it is their fault if they couldn't follow a simple ruleset. I am not the one to blame here. And stop acting like this is news to you. Because it isn't.
Aka
does it mean that the limitations of exchanging players are going to be removed from all other mode world cups in future as well? really curious cause i see it for the first time
Elementaires
world cup
16 countries
pmriva
i dont have multiaccount, why do i got rejected?
Minhtam

Elementaires wrote:

world cup
16 countries
Hey, it could be worse. The World Cup of Hockey only has 6 countries, and they had to make up 2 artificial teams among the rest of the good players. :lol:
MYRKUL
At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
AJ-FreakS

MYRKUL wrote:

At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
Cyclohexane
Hey guys, Mr Color here coming in a little bit before this whole ordeal starts. As you guys know I'll be once more taking part in the play-by-play commentary for the event. I just wanted to introduce myself to the community once again in the middle of all the pre-cup drama. If you guys want to send me any pointers of things you feel I should mention on air about certain players, their strengths and weaknesses, as well as the maps that will be used, I will of course be studying up to offer the most insightful commentary possible, but I won't refuse a little help doing that, so by all means feel free to hit me up with a forum PM and I'll make sure to note down any interesting info you guys will send my way.

You guys have a good one, and I'll see you for the drawings!
DarkStoorM
TWC needs your sexy voice, Mr Color.

Mr Color wrote:

any pointers of things you feel I should mention on air about certain players, their strengths and weaknesses
B-but is this a good idea? Just hope there won't be any spies on the stream :D

inb4 - He's a HR monster, don't pick HR maps. Pick HD, because they are bad with it
peppy
I would definitely like to see more countries represented, and have already discussed with loctav about extending the entry period to make sure those that haven't yet registered can.
Kurai

peppy wrote:

I would definitely like to see more countries represented, and have already discussed with loctav about extending the entry period to make sure those that haven't yet registered can.
That'd be very nice. It's a shame that countries like Russia, Japan, Ukraine or other countries with good players are not represented :(
Arrival

peppy wrote:

I would definitely like to see more countries represented, and have already discussed with loctav about extending the entry period to make sure those that haven't yet registered can.
This wouldn't change a thing.
Even with 2 weeks more, the outcome would have been the same.
This is about motivation, not time.

Kurai wrote:

That'd be very nice. It's a shame that countries like Russia, Japan, Ukraine or other countries with good players are not represented :(
Japan didn't understand or didn't want to participate and Ukraine wasn't motivated.
Nashmun
Yup, we had a lot of countries with 2registrations, maybe we can PM them so that they can search for a third player ? We had registrations from 32 countries of so I guess we could easily gather more of them
OnosakiHito
The motivation is absolutely there (@Arrival) but all of them have either too less players (e.g. Ukraine), misunderstood the rules (e.g. Japan), don't have time (e.g. Netherlands) or their players got retired (e.g Russia). Some didn't even know about the TWC since they missed the information. So it's less about the motivation and more about the other things. I will also give a little transparency to you guys, so you are more certain about what has been done before (to come to Nashmuns suggestion):

SPOILER
UK, Norway, Finland, balkan has been also contacted.


And to solve the mystery about Japan (even though Loctav mentioned it before) I will also post a screen here:



I hope this could clear the air a bit. Will talk with Loctav about this.
Nashmun
Countries not having enough players are myths. A LOT of people doesn't want to register because they think they'll loose anyway. Along the year I've been told hundred of times that countries like Italy don't have any players and that we should allow multicountries team, and what do we see here ? An Italian team within the 16participant.
Even Hungary could gather a team because they had the motivation to, don't tell me countries like Russia/Ukraine/Brazil do not have enough player, I know by fact they have.

EDIT : Before someone points it out : I do not say every country of the world can gather a team so no need to point out a country saying "You see, no players". But there are way more than 16countries with players <#5000, just by playing multiplayer mode you should be able to see that
OnosakiHito
I absolutely agree with that. I've just put the information in a compact way. But even so, there is more than that sometimes - proud, certain rules, wrong view about mappools and more. There are more factors which effect the opinion of players in a country. I ecountered alot of them. So I think it is also about how we represent this TWC?
Arrival

OnosakiHito wrote:

The motivation is absolutely there (@Arrival) but all of them have either too less players (e.g. Ukraine), misunderstood the rules (e.g. Japan), don't have time (e.g. Netherlands) or their players got retired (e.g Russia). Some didn't even know about the TWC since they missed the information. So it's less about the motivation and more about the other things.
Well when you have the motivation you're able to find players (Please, Ukraine has 10 players in the Top #4K), or to find "time" (hey the whole NL team doesn't have the time, although all the other countries can register, really ?). And come on, there are like 300 Japanese who are able to play in the TWC, don't tell me only ONE of them understood the rules...
Kurai
No need to debate on the "why", just give countries a second chance to participate so that we have a good TWC. And I don't think anyone would be proud winning the tournament if Japan is not represented :p
OnosakiHito
I guess Kurai is right. I just wanted to show some transparency anyway, not debating about it. lol
Arrival

Kurai wrote:

No need to debate on the "why", just give countries a second chance to participate so that we have a good TWC. And I don't think anyone would be proud winning the tournament if Japan is not represented :p

OnosakiHito wrote:

I guess Kurai is right. I just wanted to show some transparency anyway, not debating about it. lol
I guess you're both right. But I'm still wondering when will we have the justification for why we have been rejected ? It has been 2 days I sent an e-mail, and I still don't know what I did wrong. But as Loctav said, I must be lying...
Nashmun

Kurai wrote:

No need to debate on the "why", just give countries a second chance to participate so that we have a good TWC. And I don't think anyone would be proud winning the tournament if Japan is not represented :p
So Japan wasn't proud of winning last year because no Taiwan team ? Taiwan has a better TWC history than Japan (2wins out of 3participations), people tend to forget that and think Japan is some kind of superior entity that cannot be defeated while it's not.

Anyway, I think we all agree that we'd like to see more countries represented, but we cannot force them to participate, even more when some of them do it on purpose just because they hope it will lead to allowing multicountries team
LunaticP
And we demand to ban those multi account when discovered

If someone want to join the match and found out they have multi account and being kicked, it looks like the official is just making up reason for banning some player to join.

If they have been banned before they can send the registration letter, no one will think they are selectively excluded.
Lightning Wyvern
Does this mean I can invite my friend from the same country to increase my country rosters ?

If Indonesia had XK / Nishi / Aesa / GH / LW / pmriva team combination then we're equally as strong as France 8D
pmriva

MYRKUL wrote:

At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
Cyntu

MYRKUL wrote:

At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
Topic Starter
Loctav
As explained by peppy, we decided to extend the registration phase for another two weeks. Make sure to advertise this competition to your friends and everyone who is a potential candidate for your country's team

How does the registration work exactly now?

  1. Everyone is signing up individually for their country by sending a forum PM to me.
  2. We roughly filter the registered users by their play performance and/or if they violated the osu! community rules (see below for details)
  3. Whenever we finished filtering the registered users, the players who passed will be put on a candidate list for their country
  4. The Tournament Management declares a captain from said list. This captain receives the list with the remaining candidates. Captains can freely pick from this list and found their team as they wish.
  5. After sending the Tournament Management the compiled team, your team has been successfully created.
Obviously, people who registered successfully already do not need to re-register. They are already recorded.

What do you filter registered users by?


We filter by:
  1. Taiko performance ranking. Whoever has a global Taiko performance ranking below #8000 will be filtered out. While we want to let participate as many people as possible, the mappools are designed around a certain difficulty level. It's very likely that people below a performance ranking below #8000 will not be able to play the tournament's maps at all. If they improve, they are free to join!
  2. Violation of the community rules: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Rules - In order to take part on any official tournament that is sponsored and organized by the osu!staff, you need to obey the community rules. Even though violating some of these specific rules do not lead to a full account ban immediately, we still exclude everyone who offended within the last year. This includes creating multi-accounts, sharing your account with others or using third-party software or other illegal software modifications. Not every rule is directly involved into the tournament outcome, but as long as you can not follow the community rules, we are not willing to let you join an official competition. We would like to mention that we have been holding that requirement up for several years already and have been performed these checks ever since then. This is nothing new and moreover nothing arbitrary. We just want to inform you again that joining the TWC has these requirements. If you ever want to compete in the TWC, we advise you to stop violating the rules now.
Due to privacy issues, we will not reveal to the public who was rejected. Whoever wants to know or dispute the fact that they have been filtered by either of the above criteria is free to contact tournaments@ppy.sh.

As by today, we extend the registration phase till 22nd February 2015, 23:59:59 UTC+0. Please send your forum PM titled "TWC Registration" to me till then. Please add your time zone to the message, so we can schedule you properly later.

All other parts of the tournaments will be, obviously, postponed according to this. We are sorry for the incovenience, but we want to make this TWC the best it can be.

As more countries and people are joining this competition, we are increasing the maximum number of teams. Whoever didn't appear on the team listing so far (Chile and Hungary) will be added later. We want to await more registrations from said countries.
MMzz
Could we have an 8 player cap instead of 6?
LunaticP
Loctav I think everyone here understand the rule, so no need to keep repeating the ToS here.

We all know using third-party software or multi account or blahblah should get banned.
FlyingKiwi
My rank is close to #8,000, so I should pass that rank and sign up.
Niko-nyan

- Korean Kiwi - wrote:

My rank is close to #8,000, so I should pass that rank and sign up.
when i see your pp rank, your taiko rank is #16,890 that still far :(
Topic Starter
Loctav

MMzz wrote:

Could we have an 8 player cap instead of 6?
Only with a 4v4 TWC, which depends on the number of registered users
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

MMzz wrote:

Could we have an 8 player cap instead of 6?
Only with a 4v4 TWC, which depends on the number of registered users
So you want to be sure there are enough back ups, but don't want to increase the limits ?

It could be a good safety net for some matches imo...
MYRKUL
I think 3 backups is too much for just 3 players. Maybe with only 1 backup we could gather more teams where the entire team plays. This could even able 4+2 teams
FlyingKiwi

Niko-nyan wrote:

- Korean Kiwi - wrote:

My rank is close to #8,000, so I should pass that rank and sign up.
when i see your pp rank, your taiko rank is #16,890 that still far :(
Yeah, I realized that I dropped to that rank... :(

MYRKUL wrote:

I think 3 backups is too much for just 3 players. Maybe with only 1 backup we could gather more teams where the entire team plays. This could even able 4+2 teams
But the maximum 6 players in the team will decrease the risk of getting a win by default.
OnosakiHito
I made this year another banner. Hope you guys like it and can find good use for it!


Topic Starter
Loctav
But it's called 2015, not #5 :C you should at least use the correct name
Pagliaccio

Arrival wrote:

Please, Ukraine has 10 players in the Top #4K
Please, go and make a team of 4k ranked players than suck in group stages, it's funny, isn't it?
NickXitco
Still haven't gotten a confirmation PM even though I formatted everything correctly, should I be worried?
Earine

Pagliaccio wrote:

Arrival wrote:

Please, Ukraine has 10 players in the Top #4K
Please, go and make a team of 4k ranked players than suck in group stages, it's funny, isn't it?
Is this the reason why we only have 16 countries in? well that's sad
If the limit is 8k I don't see the problem.
You don't sign up to show off your high ranks, you do it for the fun and the chance of playing together as a community...
or I'm too naive, welp
MYRKUL

Earine wrote:

you do it for the fun and the chance of playing together as a community...
This is the kind of players we need in a dying gamemode community.
MMzz

MYRKUL wrote:

Earine wrote:

you do it for the fun and the chance of playing together as a community...
This is the kind of players we need in a dying gamemode community.
This gamemode is more active than its ever been.
#6yearobservation
Pagliaccio

Earine wrote:

or I'm too naive, welp
Yes you are
Arrival

Pagliaccio wrote:

Arrival wrote:

Please, Ukraine has 10 players in the Top #4K
Please, go and make a team of 4k ranked players than suck in group stages, it's funny, isn't it?
Are you trolling, or just stupid ? (Unfortunately I think this is the second option...)

In that case let's make only one final with JP and TW to decide who will win this TWC. No ?

It's because of people like you if this tournament is stuck with 16 countries or so. If you play with the top #4K you can go to the RO16 easily, but Mister Pagliacco's ego looks a bit too high and overdeveloped to play with 4K players.. That's sad...

Oh btw the #6 in Ukraine is #1300. But still too noob fo you huh ?
Pagliaccio

Arrival wrote:

Are you trolling, or just stupid ? (Unfortunately I think this is the second option...)

In that case let's make only one final with JP and TW to decide who will win this TWC. No ?

It's because of people like you if this tournament is stuck with 16 countries or so. If you play with the top #4K you can go to the RO16 easily, but Mister Pagliacco's ego looks a bit too high and overdeveloped to play with 4K players.. That's sad...

Oh btw the #6 in Ukraine is #1300. But still too noob fo you huh ?
Are you just trolling, or just stupid? (Unfortunately I think this is the second option...)

If your team is not well-balanced by level of players, you're just sucker.

Most of teams have a balanced roasters with a close rank gap between a players.

If you gonna play TWC with 4k ppl, you just gonna rage cuz of you cant with by yourself.

If you gonna play TWC "just for fun" - go and play MP then with noobs.

Shut the fuck up noob and don't say any stupid things more.
Nofool
^ if a true 4k ranked player (just about his skill) plays the tournament and can barely clear simple Oni, it probably won't be that fun to play for him. Just like me playing some Firce Force difficulties, i honestly won't have fun doing it just because this is too far from my "skill" yet. pagliaccio maybe meant something like that.

Then if there are enough "good" players in his country, they also might not be active or want to play the TWC. Well i have no idea about his real situation but it is not hard to understand him if he does not want to play the TWC for any of these reasons. Also i will never know the feeling but i can imagine that it is not that fun to lose as a team, even when you did reallly good, because you don't have enough "good" players (that's why i am afraid if i have to play a match here lol, i don't want to make my team lose).

Also is there a way to remove someone from a full team to get someone else in ? In case i should leave for someone stronger.

edit: ok nvm posted 2 l8
Nashmun
If you think you need a team <#500 to play TWC then you are completely wrong, and Arrival is right, you are making TWC fails.

Pagliaccio wrote:

If you gonna play TWC "just for fun" - go and play MP then with noobs.
So nobody should be able to participate then ? Because even with 3 Pagli in your team you would still not be able to win the tournament, so it wouldn't be worth playing either ?
Keep in mind that if a majority of teams sign up with players 1-2k, all of these teams have more or less equal chances to get through group stage and win 1 or more match in knock-out stages.

No need to insult people and especially when your argumentation is pointless.
lolcubes
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Anny
oh god.. o_o'
Aka
such a shame
Earine
Didn't mean to start a flame so pls no :?

But yea, what I meant was pretty much what Nashmun said
More people, even with 1k and +, means more fun for their equals
We already know high rank players will be stronger (you can't deny skills ofc) but I don't see nothing wrong in having a little fun before they take the spot
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