I actually went right to ar8 hr before I have no problem with ar9 at all and now I think I got it all messed up.
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The Transition from AR9 to AR10. How did you do it?
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play more ar9, really
im perfectly fluent in ar8dt but i find ar10 obnoxious, the approach circles on cs4 are too fast theyre distracting. hard rock fixes this issue though, small circles + ar10 = perfec
Play harder / faster maps on AR9 and you will get better at AR10. Don't dwell on the AR10 stuff. Do an AR10 map once in a while but don't dwell on it. If your accuracy is under 80% then there's no point in spamming it. As you get better you will have a day where you cross the plateau and AR10 is doable. Once you hit that then you can practice AR10 stuff for better accuracy.
ZenithPhantasm
i dislike hiddenZenithPhantasm wrote:
Have you tried using Hidden?Riince wrote:
im perfectly fluent in ar8dt but i find ar10 obnoxious, the approach circles on cs4 are too fast theyre distracting. hard rock fixes this issue though, small circles + ar10 = perfec
wank_old_1
I took the same route + some unranked AR10 practice mapsRaniemi wrote:
I played AR8 DT to get used to AR9.6
After getting used to 9.6, the transition to AR10 just takes a little bit
of playing AR10
Just a warning: I don't recommend this to any new player.
I was "stuck" at lower AR's for ages (2 and a half years). AR9.6 wasn't really a problem, because those are just AR8 at 1.5x speed. But when it came to reacting to fewer notes appearing faster, I was just useless because I think too much about rhythm and planning. AR10 didn't give me that safety margin of thinking ahead, so whenever things appeared too fast, I just fumbled.
The solution: Spam AR10 maps.
Who would've guessed you actually have to play AR10 to learn AR10. Of course, I didn't lose my ability to read AR's 7-9. I still speculate that people who complain about this couldn't read in the first place.
I was "stuck" at lower AR's for ages (2 and a half years). AR9.6 wasn't really a problem, because those are just AR8 at 1.5x speed. But when it came to reacting to fewer notes appearing faster, I was just useless because I think too much about rhythm and planning. AR10 didn't give me that safety margin of thinking ahead, so whenever things appeared too fast, I just fumbled.
The solution: Spam AR10 maps.
Who would've guessed you actually have to play AR10 to learn AR10. Of course, I didn't lose my ability to read AR's 7-9. I still speculate that people who complain about this couldn't read in the first place.
i also believe thisRaneFire wrote:
I still speculate that people who complain about this couldn't read in the first place.
Got bored with 9/8 and skipped to 10 which was a mistake to say the least now I tend to skip notes on 9 because I thought I hit them.
I played Hard diffs with AR 7 and 8 with HR. Hard diffs because they are easier so you can focus more on the high AR.
I don't really understand what is reading skill (I'm serious), I can play AR 7-10 no problem, if I got combobreak I think it's just my aim or taping
I got ar 10 by spaming high bpm AR 9 crazy map, then I try AR 10 and it's look slower
Then after I can FC AR 10 (edited map or HR easy insane) I realize what makes HR hard
I got ar 10 by spaming high bpm AR 9 crazy map, then I try AR 10 and it's look slower
Then after I can FC AR 10 (edited map or HR easy insane) I realize what makes HR hard
I Hr all the way to AR10.
Hardest thingy with Hr is the harder OD + Hp Drain and the really small Circles but it also improves your aiming skills ( just hit with 100 and u die because of HP drain=.
Personally i can´t recommend Ar8 +Dt because i began slamming my Keyboard because of the 50% Speed increase and the Risk of just spamming is way bigger than Hr well known maps because of the much higher BPM. The only upsides of Dt Ar8 are u get used to high Bpm and get moar Speed, abd the jump from 9 to 9.6 is rather short, than direct from 9 to 10.
Hardest thingy with Hr is the harder OD + Hp Drain and the really small Circles but it also improves your aiming skills ( just hit with 100 and u die because of HP drain=.
Personally i can´t recommend Ar8 +Dt because i began slamming my Keyboard because of the 50% Speed increase and the Risk of just spamming is way bigger than Hr well known maps because of the much higher BPM. The only upsides of Dt Ar8 are u get used to high Bpm and get moar Speed, abd the jump from 9 to 9.6 is rather short, than direct from 9 to 10.
Reading skill is holistic. Whatever caused you to make a mistake can likely be avoided if your reading was better. That is assuming it was a mistake. I have a hard time calling things I can't do... "mistakes". So reading is broadly used to describe your ability to play maps well, which you have the skills to play. It is speculative at best to try measure anything outside of that, because you can't play it.Ninonuko wrote:
I don't really understand what is reading skill (I'm serious), I can play AR 7-10 no problem, if I got combobreak I think it's just my aim or taping
I got ar 10 by spaming high bpm AR 9 crazy map, then I try AR 10 and it's look slower
Then after I can FC AR 10 (edited map or HR easy insane) I realize what makes HR hard
A common misconception is that reading is all about AR. It's a major component, but it's not "just" AR. There are maps I have trouble reading which are within the AR range I'm comfortable reading, but they are more complex, throwing a lot more information at me, whilst also being difficult to execute. It's important to note that this all occurs at once. Simplicity with difficulty does not mean it's difficult to read, but only that it is difficult. Likewise, a map with visual obscurity, that isn't actually difficult, will give me ample time to read, making it not so difficult.
Basically reading is a subjective topic concerning an individual's skill. You can read AR10, but still be shit. Some people are upset by lowbies claiming to read AR10, forgetting that whatever standard they are using to measure themselves is very different. So in this sense, if you want to compare yourself to a lowbie, they can't read AR10 by your standard, yet they can to themselves. A new player can likely read AR8 after a few weeks, but lacks the skill to play higher difficulty AR8 maps. Thus it's quite pointless to compare reading, since holistically, it includes your skill level.
I mean I edit the map that I can play well (most of them are insane ar 8/9 ) to ar 7-10 and have no problemNinonuko wrote:
I can play AR 7-10 no problem
what I dont really understand is why spamming high bpm crazy map like with a dance number, talent shredder, adults toy, etc make ar 10 looks slower. But many people say you must play ar 10 to learn ar 10RaneFire wrote:
A common misconception is that reading is all about AR. It's a major component, but it's not "just" AR. There are maps I have trouble reading which are within the AR range I'm comfortable reading, but they are more complex, throwing a lot more information at me, whilst also being difficult to execute. It's important to note that this all occurs at once. Simplicity with difficulty does not mean it's difficult to read, but only that it is difficult. Likewise, a map with visual obscurity, that isn't actually difficult, will give me ample time to read, making it not so difficult.
I'm never claim I can read something, because I don't really understand what is that but I know it's hard to getRaneFire wrote:
Basically reading is a subjective topic concerning an individual's skill. You can read AR10, but still be shit. Some people are upset by lowbies claiming to read AR10, forgetting that whatever standard they are using to measure themselves is very different. So in this sense, if you want to compare yourself to a lowbie, they can't read AR10 by your standard, yet they can to themselves. A new player can likely read AR8 after a few weeks, but lacks the skill to play higher difficulty AR8 maps. Thus it's quite pointless to compare reading, since holistically, it includes your skill level.
Then I will never claim that I can read something, because of my extremely bad accuracy that far bellow my standart, even I can FC without many tries but I just play whack a mole
Note density is a bigger factor than AR by itself. Most high BPM maps have high note density and learning to process more information is what makes previous attempts look slower. You're also likely experiencing more adrenaline than normal by playing maps that feel "crazy", if it's just temporary.Ninonuko wrote:
what I dont really understand is why spamming high bpm crazy map like with a dance number, talent shredder, adults toy, etc make ar 10 looks slower. But many people say you must play ar 10 to learn ar 10
I was wondering for a moment, but you do seem to understand. It's not as complicated as I make it sound.Ninonuko wrote:
I'm never claim I can read something, because I don't really understand what is that but I know it's hard to get
Then I will never claim that I can read something, because of my extremely bad accuracy that far bellow my standart, even I can FC without many tries but I just play whack a mole
Dashesd wrote:
Thank you i'll do that from now on instead of trying to learn ar8+dtbuny wrote:
i play airman adnd big blaek 1000 tiem now read ar10
"advice from rank 500 player > strat from some no name low ranked player"
it works
why is there always a shit storm on two conflicting opinions?
and why do 5 digit ranks always come into threads like this claiming that they can read ar10 without having any decent ar10 scores?
I can't read AR 10 at all except for Airman.
Probably a sign you can't read ar10. The drain on Airman is so low it's more impressive if you fail.fieryrage wrote:
I can't read AR 10 at all except for Airman.
i can read ar10 but i cant pass airmanGreen Platinum wrote:
Probably a sign you can't read ar10. The drain on Airman is so low it's more impressive if you fail.fieryrage wrote:
I can't read AR 10 at all except for Airman.
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It's not that reading is holistic, per se, it's that the effects produced by changes in reading skill aren't easily distinguishable from those produced by changes in all the other core skills. Bad reading can cause you to have bad accuracy or miss. Bad aim and accuracy and speed can all also cause you to have bad accuracy or miss. The problem lies in the fact that because all the externally visible effects of a single instance of reading failure are identical the delineation must be done by the player themself and must occur during play; an outside party cannot make this determination at all, and the player cannot make it without a constant level of self-awareness. This is true of all the other core skills as well, not just reading.RaneFire wrote:
Thus it's quite pointless to compare reading, since holistically, it includes your skill level.
It's possible, however, to determine a player's proficiency with a given component of skill from the outside by observing changes in overall performance as the input (the beatmaps) is quantifiably changed in ways that should theoretically interact with that component of skill. Such a determination is of no use in answering the question "did I miss that note because of bad reading or bad aim?", but as long as the question exists in a broader frame than that reading can certainly be evaluated, compared, and discussed. The real difficulty is in determining exactly what an isolated increase in reading difficulty means in the context of a beatmap.
thing is, bad accuracy and aim almost always stems from bad reading.
No it doesn't. That's a downright ludicrous assertion.
I simply see reading as this:
Basically the ability to process a pattern correctly in the amount of time you have before you have to execute it.
This is why when you can read AR10, it often makes maps easier to read, as the complexity of a pattern is reduced by showing only 2-3 notes at a time, resulting in much simpler and recognizable shapes. And when you can't read AR10, you don't have enough time to process the simple patterns correctly, which results in misses, bad accuracy or supershaky cursormovement from you rushing into the pattern.
Missing or bad accuracy from reading incorrectly might often be clicking on a note you're not supposed to, or reacting late to a note resulting in rushing and therefore misaiming or bad accuracy.
When you've read a pattern, say a square, correctly, and you still miss, then that's a problem with how you draw out the square shape itself; your aim.
Similarily, if you read a stream properly but still get bad accuracy, that's probably because of bad finger control, while not reading a stream properly might result in you basically starting the stream some ms. late.
Anyhow, for the actual topic:
I'm one of those guys who never actually bothered to learn AR10 until recently, so any AR10 scores I've set until about december 2014 has been semi-memorized. Generally what I'd say is useful is a good fundamental of other skills, so that even if you're late to reacting, your aim is still good enough for you to not miss a note or something. This way you can slap HR on a wide variety of maps and have fun with them without it getting too frustrating.
Alternatively, screw learning AR10 and just memorize like I did \:D/
Basically the ability to process a pattern correctly in the amount of time you have before you have to execute it.
This is why when you can read AR10, it often makes maps easier to read, as the complexity of a pattern is reduced by showing only 2-3 notes at a time, resulting in much simpler and recognizable shapes. And when you can't read AR10, you don't have enough time to process the simple patterns correctly, which results in misses, bad accuracy or supershaky cursormovement from you rushing into the pattern.
Missing or bad accuracy from reading incorrectly might often be clicking on a note you're not supposed to, or reacting late to a note resulting in rushing and therefore misaiming or bad accuracy.
When you've read a pattern, say a square, correctly, and you still miss, then that's a problem with how you draw out the square shape itself; your aim.
Similarily, if you read a stream properly but still get bad accuracy, that's probably because of bad finger control, while not reading a stream properly might result in you basically starting the stream some ms. late.
Anyhow, for the actual topic:
I'm one of those guys who never actually bothered to learn AR10 until recently, so any AR10 scores I've set until about december 2014 has been semi-memorized. Generally what I'd say is useful is a good fundamental of other skills, so that even if you're late to reacting, your aim is still good enough for you to not miss a note or something. This way you can slap HR on a wide variety of maps and have fun with them without it getting too frustrating.
Alternatively, screw learning AR10 and just memorize like I did \:D/
Umm, idk. I just play HDHR on hard and then step up to HDHR insane 
Topic Starter
Thats what I do once and awhile.. Never really get to the insane part though lolEx-Rei wrote:
Umm, idk. I just play HDHR on hard and then step up to HDHR insane
Play more ar10?
ZenithPhantasm
Just saying, i get about 85% acc on AR9 image material when i get about 54% acc on AR10 .
I choose to blame AR10 maps and do not play or AR9 edit it if i really think the map is good.
there are many other good maps with AR9 so just play those
I choose to blame AR10 maps and do not play or AR9 edit it if i really think the map is good.
there are many other good maps with AR9 so just play those
yeah, that's the hardest part..Scintillate wrote:
Thats what I do once and awhile.. Never really get to the insane part though lolEx-Rei wrote:
Umm, idk. I just play HDHR on hard and then step up to HDHR insane
maybe often reads a fast AR / SV in another mode kinda helps (I do play CTB too with AR10, so maybe it helps my AR Reading)
144hz monitor.
i've been spamming HDHR on fycho insanes because theyre easy
SomeLoli
Definitely helps if you aren't playing HD, but I wouldn't consider it necessary. I made the switch on a 60hz monitor.iluvtwintail wrote:
144hz monitor.
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I'm not asking 'hey guys! raise your hand if you like ar10!'... im asking how you, as a human being, were able to be able to play ar10. if you cant play ar10 then why are you here.haha5957 wrote:
Just saying, i get about 85% acc on AR9 image material when i get about 54% acc on AR10 .
I choose to blame AR10 maps and do not play or AR9 edit it if i really think the map is good.
there are many other good maps with AR9 so just play those
And of course your going to get shit acc on image material on ar10.. its also ~280 bpm streams.. lol.
EDIT: it probably is.. i didnt checkKheldragar wrote:
I thought it was 260 bpm.
haha yeah, i should probably do that myself.exozion wrote:
i've been spamming HDHR on fycho insanes because theyre easy