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[GUIDE] How to improve in osu!mania

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Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
Like I said in the section, you should only consider plays that had "very" low unstable values. A low unstable value means you were mostly constant in your hits and your +/- values are more definitive about you're own required offsets

On the other hand a high unstable value means you weren't constant in your hits and in turn your +/- values aren't really definitive enough to warrant an offset change. What I mean is, playing a song where you literally hit all over the place trying to find that 300g sweet-spot will in-turn give you +/- values that are "all over the place".

Your results seem pretty normal, you don't seem to need offset.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Personally I consider below 200 unstable good enough to tell me if there's an offset issue with a map.
chikitani
72 posts
Joined October 2011
chikitani
When practicing songs that are "too hard" for you, would you recommend playing with Half-Time or NF? I feel NF isn't helping as much since I end up just trying to spam when there's too many notes, but Half-Time is also kind of meh at times.
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
Normally you should just play easier maps since using half-time is essentially also creating an easier map. The only difference is half-time is much more boring.

BUT if it's a map where the pattern type is one you've never encountered before, using half time is a good way to initiate yourself to said pattern. (Note that density, speed and superposition are not patterns. They're just harder variations of a pattern.)
chikitani
72 posts
Joined October 2011
chikitani
What if it's a problem with density?

Rather than the speed being the problem (except on jackhammers), as I try to break the 4star barrier, I find myself not being able to keep up with the 3-4 chords or the 2-3 alternating streams during LN's, etc.
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
You're making the map less dense with half time so you're not getting anywhere any faster.

But really any sort of training yields improvement in the end, just keep at it and make sure you're having fun ^^
Janacechan
6 posts
Joined March 2013
Janacechan
Thanks for this guide will follow all of them :33 I'm newb.
Kinac
25 posts
Joined January 2014
Kinac
I have two choices for a keyboard. I have a laptop keyboard and a cheap rubber dome. I can't really tell which is better. Which should I use?
Another problem I have is my reading on 7k. I always feel like I'm just mashing keys.
Silver Sky
44 posts
Joined January 2013
Silver Sky

Kinac wrote:

I have two choices for a keyboard. I have a laptop keyboard and a cheap rubber dome. I can't really tell which is better. Which should I use?
Another problem I have is my reading on 7k. I always feel like I'm just mashing keys.
Between those two, if your laptop keyboard doesn't have ghosting issues then I would recommend it because it has shorter bottom out distance than rubber dome. In my case, I feel my stamina drained quickly when I play with rubberdome or even mech keyboards I don't know why:/

And about 7K reading, I can't really answer bcs I still suck at it D: . But maybe if you want to improve single note reading, try bms conversions. Or if you want to improve LN reading play more LN maps, tbh I found LN maps are good for finger independence because one time you have to press something when the other fingers are pressing other pattern beside it (layering).
Yuki Toboe
8 posts
Joined March 2012
Yuki Toboe

Kinac wrote:

I have two choices for a keyboard. I have a laptop keyboard and a cheap rubber dome. I can't really tell which is better. Which should I use?
Another problem I have is my reading on 7k. I always feel like I'm just mashing keys.
For your reading, did you know you can adjust the scroll speed by pressing F3 and F4?

In regards to the keyboard, If you've found a setup you can press the key combinations you want, I would just use whichever is more comfortable. If you have any concern about wearing it out then just use the rubber dome.
ikzune
159 posts
Joined August 2013
ikzune
aside from ghosting just ensure that key roll over is at least 7 for 7k preferably more if you plan to increase key count to 10 or more if they implement it in the future
Verniy_Chan
2,321 posts
Joined May 2014
Verniy_Chan
Thanks for you guide
>> Helpful
Leica
6 posts
Joined August 2014
Leica
I don't really know where I would score. I can do everything in the Beginner section, but then I can only do half of the Novice section. (trills you can kiss my butt >:c) But either way, what do you do if the tips of your fingers start to hurt? It's mainly my left middle finger (I specialize in 4k and 7k) and it's been like that for at least a week. Also, your eyes? I'd like to play at higher speeds, but my eyes start to hurt and I can't blink. Do you get used to this, or is it like.. something you learn? Please help >~< ALSO ALSO! Last thing: How do you get a better accuracy on a song with a ton of streams?
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
inb4 play more, which is really all there is to say with this kind of game. :c

Shintsuka wrote:

what do you do if the tips of your fingers start to hurt? It's mainly my left middle finger (I specialize in 4k and 7k) and it's been like that for at least a week.
I don't really know, I've never had the tip of my figers hurting before, if anything it was mostly my arms' muscles or my wrist. Do have sensitive fingers ? In any case I generally stop playing when it's starting to hurt.

Shintsuka wrote:

Also, your eyes? I'd like to play at higher speeds, but my eyes start to hurt and I can't blink. Do you get used to this, or is it like.. something you learn? Please help >~< ALSO ALSO! Last thing: How do you get a better accuracy on a song with a ton of streams?
It's just something that comes by itself. You should try to increase your speed by 1 every once in a while when you're facing more and more dense maps and that's about it. Getting used to the new speed doesn't take too long. It also depends on the map's style. i.e : I usually set 26 for stream-heavy maps, or mostly made of simple notes (BMS), and 25 or 24 for maps with more LNs. I've never had my eyes hurting specifically due to higher scrolling speed though.
ikzune
159 posts
Joined August 2013
ikzune
dont push to play at higher scroll speeds, scroll speed is made so that you can adjust it when you eventually are able to read faster, improving acc just comes with time you will get more consistent you can bore yourself by playing really easy maps to work on it a bit too
Leica
6 posts
Joined August 2014
Leica
Thank you guys for the tips! I'll be sure to slowly work my way up instead of just rushing into it!

And apparently the finger thing is something I'll get used to over time. It's like playing a string instrument (orchestra/guitar) and you get like blisters on your fingers or something.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
If you get blisters on your fingers from playing mania, you're doing something wrong.
Leica
6 posts
Joined August 2014
Leica

Bobbias wrote:

If you get blisters on your fingers from playing mania, you're doing something wrong.

Oh, no I'm not getting blisters on my fingers, but the tips of them hurt really bad.
Yuki Toboe
8 posts
Joined March 2012
Yuki Toboe

Shintsuka wrote:

Bobbias wrote:

If you get blisters on your fingers from playing mania, you're doing something wrong.

Oh, no I'm not getting blisters on my fingers, but the tips of them hurt really bad.
Relaxing your hands will help you play better too, you shouldn't be having to hit/press the keys so hard that your fingers are hurting.
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
I can understand if you're tensing your arms up while playing though, I do that 75% of the time.
Rinoa Angelo
49 posts
Joined August 2008
Rinoa Angelo
Why is someone like PyaKura giving advice?
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Right why would I not give advice ?
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
Everyone's eligible to give advice, sometime what you need is from where you least expect it ^^
Marirose
1,121 posts
Joined September 2012
Marirose
umm...i think all player need is practice :3/
Dremeling
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Joined June 2014
Dremeling
thanks
kidlat020
91 posts
Joined December 2013
kidlat020
I'm back in this thread to say

I JUST DON'T GET IT!

Is this really it for me? currently 2k pp for me and I've been playing lately but I don't feel like I made something noteworthy.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
I hope you're not using PP as your way of measuring progress. You can gain PP quickly when you start out, but once you've gotten enough good scores that you've filled out your top scores list, it becomes extremely difficult to get more PP without actually improving at the game.
lenpai
1,783 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai
Guy above me is correct. I'm staring to improve in LNs significantly but it wouldn't make much of an effect in pp count. This showing that pp isn't the most effective way of scaling one's skill.
Improving in vsrgs is a person to person based thing (this is my opinion and I have observed this in many people). I've been playing 7k for like 2 years but I can say that I'm better than an online friend that i know who played for 4 years (actively). Talent does something but don't give up! practice is still very improtant.
I'm pretty sure you know this high diff + good accuracy = more pp
What made the difference between me and my online friend os that i jump between multiple vsrgs. O2jam and now o!m gave me basic LN practice and accuracy. FtB helped me with SVs, awkward patterns, and dexerity + strength. Jumping bewtween game could help if you can't find solutions to your weakness in this game.
kidlat020
91 posts
Joined December 2013
kidlat020
no no no nothing like that.

pp aside, I personally don't feel I'm improving. At best I'd get something like 10k difference in score (which is little) and sometimes a -50k to -80k diff.
lenpai
1,783 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai
Oh, THAT issue. I know someone who has the same problem as you do. I'm not really sure on how that gets resolved. But I suggest taking pattern specific maps (BMS, Multi-layer, LN, Jackhammers). That might do the trick.
That's what I usually do to further improve. Also know your top weakness and improve in that.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Yeah, I've been playing for over a decade, and I'm very slow at improving, so I'm very well aware of how frustrating the feeling of not improving is. I've had times where I make literally NO progress in 6+ months at a time.

Amefurashi is right, the best thing to do when you feel like you're not getting any better is to identify what your weaknesses are and try to find maps that have those patterns. Interestingly enough though, when doorknob and davteezy uploaded their BMS converts, I spent a month playing almost nothing but them, and my LN skills improved (as well as my BMS skills).
kikiotsuka
14 posts
Joined December 2012
kikiotsuka
osu!mania noob here, I just started and when I play odd numbered key songs, hitting the spacebar/gold note feels awkward. Should the keys be rebinded to feel better, or do I just have to get used to hitting the space bar for the gold note? Thanks
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

kikiotsuka wrote:

osu!mania noob here, I just started and when I play odd numbered key songs, hitting the spacebar/gold note feels awkward. Should the keys be rebinded to feel better, or do I just have to get used to hitting the space bar for the gold note? Thanks
Most players stick with the space bar, but there are some players who use different key binds. Space bar is always the hardest key, even for really good players. Don't worry about it too much.
Starry-
osu! Alumni
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Joined December 2012
Starry-

Bobbias wrote:

kikiotsuka wrote:

osu!mania noob here, I just started and when I play odd numbered key songs, hitting the spacebar/gold note feels awkward. Should the keys be rebinded to feel better, or do I just have to get used to hitting the space bar for the gold note? Thanks
Most players stick with the space bar, but there are some players who use different key binds. Space bar is always the hardest key, even for really good players. Don't worry about it too much.
Hmm...I have a slightly different opinion.

After a month or so the spacebar becomes a lot more natural and easier to play, as if it was one of your normal fingers. (For me at least, but I don't have much experience to judge off). I always find myself now having more troubles with my ring fingers than the spacebar.
It might be dependent on the person, who knows.

But yeah, definitely stick with the spacebar. You will get used to it and it will feel a lot less awkward to play with practice.
kidlat020
91 posts
Joined December 2013
kidlat020
actually space bar is awkward at first. but time later you'll realize ring fingers are harder to train. thumb is more used than ring fingers in any day, everyday.
lenpai
1,783 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai
6k to 7k transition took me roughly 2 months

It's hard at first but trust me, 7k using space w/ thumbs (left or right) will become fun.

Unless you plan to 8k soon i guess you have to learn using your pinkies but I don't 8k so this wouldn't be reliable advice.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Starry- wrote:

Hmm...I have a slightly different opinion.

After a month or so the spacebar becomes a lot more natural and easier to play, as if it was one of your normal fingers. (For me at least, but I don't have much experience to judge off). I always find myself now having more troubles with my ring fingers than the spacebar.
It might be dependent on the person, who knows.

But yeah, definitely stick with the spacebar. You will get used to it and it will feel a lot less awkward to play with practice.
It becomes far more natural, but I'd rather jackhammers on ANY other key, even ring fingers, than space bar.
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
And my weakest fingers are my indexes haha, to each their own ^^
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Drace wrote:

And my weakest fingers are my indexes haha, to each their own ^^
o.o how. I could easily understand ring fingers, or even middle fingers to some degree, but indexes?
Grassgrow
45 posts
Joined May 2014
Grassgrow
Hey, I just read through this whole thread to see if anybody asked the same thing I was gonna ask, but I didn't seem to find anything like that, just the opposite.

Basically, this happened to me four or five times during my osu career (I play mania for about nine months now). In this rare instance, I get into these...states of mind and ability that I can beat songs that are MUCH harder than my usual skill cap and I get crazily better scores on my high scores if I play all my favorite songs when I get into that state.
Like, an example when I first had that...at that time my skill cap was that HD difficulty of Megistune 4k, and I couldn't even play MX diff without failing, but that one time where I got into the state, i FCed high scores on so many songs and got an A score on the Megistune MX difficulty I couldn't usually even pass!!!

On one side, I feel bad when I get into these states, because I literally rape al much high scores and the next day when that "state" ends, I'm back to my old skillcap and I feel like I don't deserve those newly obtained high scores

I should also mention that I was NOT under the influence of any drugs while in the states, they come completely random (same sleeping pattern, lifestyle, everything's the same)
Can anybody relate to this? I feel frustrated because of this because I play so well when it happens..and when it ends I'm just back to being at my usual skillcap..
ovnz
321 posts
Joined January 2014
ovnz
It also happens to me sometimes, don't worry ^,^
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1

Bobbias wrote:

o.o how. I could easily understand ring fingers, or even middle fingers to some degree, but indexes?
Yeah I know it's weird really. But when I play my prominent "motions" are in my wrist and forearm. I barely move my fingers at all (floating wrists). So really they should all be equal but for some reason or an other most the notes i miss are at my indexes. Whether a mental or physical issue, their my weakest fingers and I don't really know why :/

Runestone wrote:

Hey, I just read through this whole thread to see if anybody asked the same thing I was gonna ask, but I didn't seem to find anything like that, just the opposite.

Basically, this happened to me four or five times during my osu career (I play mania for about nine months now). In this rare instance, I get into these...states of mind and ability that I can beat songs that are MUCH harder than my usual skill cap and I get crazily better scores on my high scores if I play all my favorite songs when I get into that state.
Like, an example when I first had that...at that time my skill cap was that HD difficulty of Megistune 4k, and I couldn't even play MX diff without failing, but that one time where I got into the state, i FCed high scores on so many songs and got an A score on the Megistune MX difficulty I couldn't usually even pass!!!

On one side, I feel bad when I get into these states, because I literally rape al much high scores and the next day when that "state" ends, I'm back to my old skillcap and I feel like I don't deserve those newly obtained high scores

I should also mention that I was NOT under the influence of any drugs while in the states, they come completely random (same sleeping pattern, lifestyle, everything's the same)
Can anybody relate to this? I feel frustrated because of this because I play so well when it happens..and when it ends I'm just back to being at my usual skillcap..
Yeah that's completely normal. Normally to me when that happens, I've been previously stuck at a "skill wall" and those moments indicates I've broken through and will start improving steadily again until the next one ^^
lenpai
1,783 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai

Runestone wrote:

Hey, I just read through this whole thread to see if anybody asked the same thing I was gonna ask, but I didn't seem to find anything like that, just the opposite.

Basically, this happened to me four or five times during my osu career (I play mania for about nine months now). In this rare instance, I get into these...states of mind and ability that I can beat songs that are MUCH harder than my usual skill cap and I get crazily better scores on my high scores if I play all my favorite songs when I get into that state.
Like, an example when I first had that...at that time my skill cap was that HD difficulty of Megistune 4k, and I couldn't even play MX diff without failing, but that one time where I got into the state, i FCed high scores on so many songs and got an A score on the Megistune MX difficulty I couldn't usually even pass!!!

On one side, I feel bad when I get into these states, because I literally rape al much high scores and the next day when that "state" ends, I'm back to my old skillcap and I feel like I don't deserve those newly obtained high scores

I should also mention that I was NOT under the influence of any drugs while in the states, they come completely random (same sleeping pattern, lifestyle, everything's the same)
Can anybody relate to this? I feel frustrated because of this because I play so well when it happens..and when it ends I'm just back to being at my usual skillcap..
These sparks of genius sometimes happen on certain people. As for me, it happens very rarely but I get to achieve and retain, if not, a bit less than the improvement I get. The improvement I never get to retain is high accuracy *looks at Haryu Extra high score *cries

People experience it hahaha
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Yeah it happens to me every 2 months or so, I start beating most of my highscores and it ends up resulting in a fair bit of improvement. It happens. Though the more you improve the less you'll be experiencing those skill boosts moments. As a newbie it used to happen every few days haha.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Drace wrote:

Yeah that's completely normal. Normally to me when that happens, I've been previously stuck at a "skill wall" and those moments indicates I've broken through and will start improving steadily again until the next one ^^
Exactly the same here. Haven't had one of those days in ages though :<
ikzune
159 posts
Joined August 2013
ikzune
is it just me who found out i can warmup really quick by playing a mix between osu standard and mania and then improve faster also?
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
laishiou confirmed for weird.

But seriously, I know that wouldn't work for me.
Grassgrow
45 posts
Joined May 2014
Grassgrow

laishiou wrote:

is it just me who found out i can warmup really quick by playing a mix between osu standard and mania and then improve faster also?
I actually slightly improve in osu standard jump-heavy songs when i spent some time playing O2jam or 7k mania, but not the other way around unfortunately >:(
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-

laishiou wrote:

is it just me who found out i can warmup really quick by playing a mix between osu standard and mania and then improve faster also?
Not at all for me :x and I'd consider myself decent at standard.. :(
lenpai
1,783 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai
In my case I get slightly better, especially in accuracy, after mapping/charting something for a while.
Grassgrow
45 posts
Joined May 2014
Grassgrow
When you guys play 7K songs, and you have a "(space) J" chord, you usually press it with your thumb and your pointer finger. But what if it's a "F (space)" chord, do you still use the same thumb, or do you switch thumbs depending on the other notes in that chord? I always use the same thumb and i've recently thought about this, if anyone interchanges thumbs depending on the notes.
PyaKura
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Joined January 2013
PyaKura
I personally never ever used my other thumb for the spacebar no matter what.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Most players use the thumb on their dominant hand (right thumb if right handed, left thumb if left handed). There are a few people who play alternating thumbs, but it's pretty rare.

Also, instead of referring to keys by whatever key you're using, refer to them by their column number. For example, f+space would be 34, and space+j would be 45.

Using this system:

S = 1, D = 2, F = 3, Space = 4, J = 5, K = 6, L = 7

If you want to refer to a pattern rather than a single chord such as S+D then D+F after, that would be 12/23, using the slash to separate the chords.
Grassgrow
45 posts
Joined May 2014
Grassgrow

Bobbias wrote:

Most players use the thumb on their dominant hand (right thumb if right handed, left thumb if left handed). There are a few people who play alternating thumbs, but it's pretty rare.

Also, instead of referring to keys by whatever key you're using, refer to them by their column number. For example, f+space would be 34, and space+j would be 45.

Using this system:

S = 1, D = 2, F = 3, Space = 4, J = 5, K = 6, L = 7

If you want to refer to a pattern rather than a single chord such as S+D then D+F after, that would be 12/23, using the slash to separate the chords.

That makes sense, thank you! I'll use that in the future now! :)
Bobbias
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Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Makes it easy to talk about patterns in any key mode without caring what keys everyone actually uses.
Combo Breaker_old
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Joined March 2011
Combo Breaker_old
So i know this guide is supposed to help you get better, but how? I mean do I play hard songs on half time constantly until i CAN play it without? Or should I grind a song that is slightly challenging to me but I can complete?

On a side note, I'm having trouble reading and getting used to combinations of holds + short notes. I can read lots of shorts and lots of long notes individually pretty easily but i suck absolute crap when they're combined. Anyone have a good beatmap to practice and get over this?
Tristan97
189 posts
Joined November 2013
Tristan97
Mixing noodles with regular hits is challenging for everyone, I can say from personal experience it requires a lot of concentration.

At your level, I'd suggest playing Advanced level 4k charts with holds in them.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Combo Breaker wrote:

So i know this guide is supposed to help you get better, but how? I mean do I play hard songs on half time constantly until i CAN play it without? Or should I grind a song that is slightly challenging to me but I can complete?

On a side note, I'm having trouble reading and getting used to combinations of holds + short notes. I can read lots of shorts and lots of long notes individually pretty easily but i suck absolute crap when they're combined. Anyone have a good beatmap to practice and get over this?
It always takes a while to get that down. Don't grind plays on maps just to pass a specific map or 2, if you stop playing those maps so often you will usually lose the ability to pass them.

Try to find as many maps as you can that have the kind of patterns that give you trouble and play all of them. The less often you play each map, the better. By doing this you will get used to many different kinds patterns instead of only the patterns in one or 2 songs. If you can almost pass something, just slap nofail on and play it that way, and when the part that kills you comes up, just try as hard as you can to get as much of it as you can. Use random as well. The less often you see the same exact patterns, the better. This trains you to sightread patterns, instead of relying on playing a song a few times to learn the patterns before you can play your best, you can play your best right away, first try.

It will feel slower at first, but this kind of practice gives you long lasting skill increase.
ikzune
159 posts
Joined August 2013
ikzune
tbh grinding maps that sound fun is alright, practising it once or twice everytime you play to that degree is alright if its something you are working to be better in but never keep playing the song over and over you are just going to repeat the same mistakes you gain more consistency by taking a break and working on other maps forgetting the mistakes you made
Leica
6 posts
Joined August 2014
Leica
I don't really get the visual tune thing. I played a easy song 3 times with the sound off and the hidden mod on. I kind of see a pattern of a sort, but I'm not really sure where the xF.ini file is though... :?
iJXL
73 posts
Joined December 2012
iJXL

Shintsuka wrote:

I don't really get the visual tune thing. I played a easy song 3 times with the sound off and the hidden mod on. I kind of see a pattern of a sort, but I'm not really sure where the xF.ini file is though... :?
Leica
6 posts
Joined August 2014
Leica

iJXL wrote:

Shintsuka wrote:

I don't really get the visual tune thing. I played a easy song 3 times with the sound off and the hidden mod on. I kind of see a pattern of a sort, but I'm not really sure where the xF.ini file is though... :?


AH! So that's what it was! Thank you so much! :oops:
iJXL
73 posts
Joined December 2012
iJXL
You're welcome! I'm glad I was able to help :)
Silver Sky
44 posts
Joined January 2013
Silver Sky

iJXL wrote:

Shintsuka wrote:

I don't really get the visual tune thing. I played a easy song 3 times with the sound off and the hidden mod on. I kind of see a pattern of a sort, but I'm not really sure where the xF.ini file is though... :?
FYI the xK.ini config has been moved to skin.ini , the settings per keymode will be there inside the skin.ini
So if you want to edit xK.ini, edit the one that's in the skin.ini instead :D

CMIIW
ikzune
159 posts
Joined August 2013
ikzune
yeh um some if not all edits now to the k.inis arent working what you do is delete the inis and load up osu the key ones that is and it should create a skin.ini for u to edit
iJXL
73 posts
Joined December 2012
iJXL
Oh yes, I forgot about that. Thank you! :)
kidlat020
91 posts
Joined December 2013
kidlat020

WorldsWorst wrote:

Hey, I just read through this whole thread to see if anybody asked the same thing I was gonna ask, but I didn't seem to find anything like that, just the opposite.

Basically, this happened to me four or five times during my osu career (I play mania for about nine months now). In this rare instance, I get into these...states of mind and ability that I can beat songs that are MUCH harder than my usual skill cap and I get crazily better scores on my high scores if I play all my favorite songs when I get into that state.
Like, an example when I first had that...at that time my skill cap was that HD difficulty of Megistune 4k, and I couldn't even play MX diff without failing, but that one time where I got into the state, i FCed high scores on so many songs and got an A score on the Megistune MX difficulty I couldn't usually even pass!!!

On one side, I feel bad when I get into these states, because I literally rape al much high scores and the next day when that "state" ends, I'm back to my old skillcap and I feel like I don't deserve those newly obtained high scores

I should also mention that I was NOT under the influence of any drugs while in the states, they come completely random (same sleeping pattern, lifestyle, everything's the same)
Can anybody relate to this? I feel frustrated because of this because I play so well when it happens..and when it ends I'm just back to being at my usual skillcap..
this never came into my entire o2jam career. but that's probably just me instantly recognizing that "weird" feeling you got. Or I haven't reached your dilemma yet. because I'm still failing at Megitsune MX!!!!

edit: actually I passed. 81% accuracy T______T

honestly I don't even know myself what my "bottleneck" is. But if I have to guess, its my forearms hurting at bursts. my limit is 3.7 - 4.2 stars difficulty.
Kinac
25 posts
Joined January 2014
Kinac
I have little problem right now. I took a break from O!m for about 2 weeks and now all my skill is gone. I can barely get B on maps I could easily A on. I get 550k on maps I could get 750k on. I can't read patterns any more. Right now I play as good as I played five months ago. It's really frustrating. What should I do other than playing more?
ovnz
321 posts
Joined January 2014
ovnz
It took me a little time to get used to mania again after taking a break personally. Play as you usually play during like one week, you should get your skill back.
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
Yeah. If you lost skill from a break, aka became "rusty", you'll have some re-training to do plain and simple. But at least you can assure yourself that the time span between your current level and the level you were will most likely be shorter than the first time around.

Breaks are also great for improving, once you reach the level you were at again, most the time you'll find yourself keeping that same improvement rate and improve well beyond that point. ^^

So yeah, I'm not aware of any magic tricks to give skills back... If you really want it back you'll have to work for it :p
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Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Drace wrote:

Yeah. If you lost skill from a break, aka became "rusty", you'll have some re-training to do plain and simple. But at least you can assure yourself that the time span between your current level and the level you were will most likely be shorter than the first time around.

Breaks are also great for improving, once you reach the level you were at again, most the time you'll find yourself keeping that same improvement and improve well beyond that point. ^^

So yeah, I'm not aware of any magic tricks to give skills back... If you really want it back you'll have to work for it :p
Yep, same experience here. Sometimes you can get lucky and come back from a break as good as you were before, but most times you come back rusty and have to spend a while regaining (and then passing) your old skill.
Silver Sky
44 posts
Joined January 2013
Silver Sky
Hi guys, I just want to know if there's a way to train finger speed. Because I can't stream fast in 4K (above 200 bpm). I can read the pattern but my fingers aren't fast enough to play it properly. I usually get around 85% on these songs, should I keep on pushing myself or is it better to start on lower bpm songs. Thank you :)
Drace_old_1
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Drace_old_1
Hm I've never really ran into finger speed problems. Seemed like my finger speed increased at the same rate as my reading did. Though if I were to recommend something I'd say play stuff way above your level (spam tier) here in there, it's what I used to do for stamina. Might show results for finger speed too.
varkhall
5 posts
Joined August 2013
varkhall
Hello, great guide, thanks a lot for creating it, I will come back here often! :) I'm new to osu!mania (like 1k retries), so I've got a question to you guys - is there any kind of exercise that can help me with my finger independence? (excluding playing ofc c: ) Also... I've got a problem with this pattern - any tips/good beatmaps to train it? :)
ovnz
321 posts
Joined January 2014
ovnz
Train your finger independence before trying to learn patterns. There isn't really any tips to train any pattern btw, just play it, that's all.
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
Guys, I guess it's been more than 3 months that I'm stuck at 2~3 star 7k maps and can't improve.
I think I'm ok at normal notes patterns. I can pass Intersect Thunderbolt [Hard] without too much effort, but when it comes to LN "heavy" maps such as Wake up!, Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi and Fight 4 Real... I fail miserably. I can't even get more than 85% accuracy without my brain exploding in the process. lol

I know there's not much I can do besides playing more, but are LNs supposed to be this hard?
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

gintoki147 wrote:

Guys, I guess it's been more than 3 months that I'm stuck at 2~3 star 7k maps and can't improve.
I think I'm ok at normal notes patterns. I can pass Intersect Thunderbolt [Hard] without too much effort, but when it comes to LN "heavy" maps such as Wake up!, Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi and Fight 4 Real... I fail miserably. I can't even get more than 85% accuracy without my brain exploding in the process. lol

I know there's not much I can do besides playing more, but are LNs supposed to be this hard?
Play more LN heavy maps. If you still find LNs hard, play even more LN heavy maps.
lenpai
1,783 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai

gintoki147 wrote:

Guys, I guess it's been more than 3 months that I'm stuck at 2~3 star 7k maps and can't improve.
I think I'm ok at normal notes patterns. I can pass Intersect Thunderbolt [Hard] without too much effort, but when it comes to LN "heavy" maps such as Wake up!, Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi and Fight 4 Real... I fail miserably. I can't even get more than 85% accuracy without my brain exploding in the process. lol

I know there's not much I can do besides playing more, but are LNs supposed to be this hard?
The difficulty of reading LNs vary from people to people. As a BMS + gracenote + burst heavy + 1000 notes per second+ player, learning LNs personally was a painstalking process (took me 4 months to actually be able to read LNs like Sister's Noise Lv. 42 with a bad accuracy) unlike those who played o2jam. Don't worry, you'll get to the point where reading LNs are easier than they are for you as of the moment.
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147

edisk wrote:

Play more LN heavy maps. If you still find LNs hard, play even more LN heavy maps.
Sometimes the obvious answer is the one we need the most.
It's true that I've been avoiding LN maps hoping to magically do better the next time I play them, so I decided to focus on them for the time being. Thanks. :p

Lenfried- wrote:

The difficulty of reading LNs vary from people to people. As a BMS + gracenote + burst heavy + 1000 notes per second+ player, learning LNs personally was a painstalking process (took me 4 months to actually be able to read LNs like Sister's Noise Lv. 42 with a bad accuracy) unlike those who played o2jam. Don't worry, you'll get to the point where reading LNs are easier than they are for you as of the moment.
Glad to hear that.
I'll do my best then. Today I played lots of LN maps and it seems that I'm getting a little better already...
PC Matic
7 posts
Joined February 2015
PC Matic
Thanks
This really helped me and others I really appreciate this. :)
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
Just thought I'd share with you guys how I'm doing.

Remember the maps I was struggling to pass before? Now I'm able to score at least 90% at them.
What I've been doing:
  1. Playing a lot of mania 7k LN heavy maps
  2. Playing some converts from o2jam. I think many of them are weird, but I'm doing my best to play them right. @_@
  3. Playing other rhythm games as well
  4. Trying to play 4k inversed maps with this tool (with the lite option obviously), as seen in this video I recorded:

    It would be best to do it in 7k maps, but my keyboard can't handle more than 6 key presses at once and there aren't many 6k maps in mania, so I guess I don't have many choices other than doing it in 4k or buying a better keyboard.
tl;dr; I'm playing a lot

Still, there are 3 maps that still seem to be way too hard for me, but I feel like I'll be able to pass them after 2 more months of training. lol
Sawano Hiroyuki - Blowin'
ZAQ - VOICE (TV Size)
T.M.Revolution x Nana Mizuki - Preserved Roses (TV-Size)

I'm much better, definitely, but it's still not enough.
Oh, well, I'm having fun.
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

gintoki147 wrote:

It would be best to do it in 7k maps, but my keyboard can't handle more than 6 key presses at once and there aren't many 6k maps in mania, so I guess I don't have many choices other than doing it in 4k or buying a better keyboard.[/list]

I'm much better, definitely, but it's still not enough.
Oh, well, I'm having fun.
Good to know you're having fun. Btw there are many maps out there with 6presses or less at once for 7k.
I think these has 6 or less for example.
Aoi Eir - Niji no Oto
nano.Ripe - Real World (TV Size)
gintoki147
84 posts
Joined December 2012
gintoki147
Oh, yes. I'm a 7k player mostly.
When I said that I was referring to LN inversed maps made with this tool: t/191952 :D
Keihyan
132 posts
Joined March 2014
Keihyan
can you guys give me some good map to practice?? I started and I dont know what to do to find the map to practice
lerocesha
1 post
Joined January 2015
lerocesha
enjoy the game and feel the rhythm . playing for almost 3 months and i can finish advanced beatmaps like heart of witch and renatus :D :D :D
ShinFukuhara
3 posts
Joined July 2014
ShinFukuhara
Hello second post here :) , I've read the guide and this thread helped me a lot, but i can't keep my skill stable because me being quite a mood swinger, is there a tip for me?
Yuudachi-kun
5,434 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Hehe, mania is actually fun when I stopped playing converts.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

ShinFukuhara wrote:

Hello second post here :) , I've read the guide and this thread helped me a lot, but i can't keep my skill stable because me being quite a mood swinger, is there a tip for me?
Everyone is different. Some people will always have big swings in skill. On a bad day my scores can be more than 100k worse than my usual skill level. On a good day I've had scores 100k better than my usual.

Playing regularly has a big impact on your skill too, because the longer you go between sessions, the longer it will take to get back to your peak skill when you do play.
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DeletedUser_2024727

Kheldragar wrote:

Hehe, mania is actually fun when I stopped playing converts.
WOW sugoi ze HOHO
ShinFukuhara
3 posts
Joined July 2014
ShinFukuhara

Bobbias wrote:

ShinFukuhara wrote:

Hello second post here :) , I've read the guide and this thread helped me a lot, but i can't keep my skill stable because me being quite a mood swinger, is there a tip for me?
Everyone is different. Some people will always have big swings in skill. On a bad day my scores can be more than 100k worse than my usual skill level. On a good day I've had scores 100k better than my usual.

Playing regularly has a big impact on your skill too, because the longer you go between sessions, the longer it will take to get back to your peak skill when you do play.
Oh I see, something like that is quite normal
Shimomura
6 posts
Joined August 2012
Shimomura
first i want to say sorry because my english is bad

i've been playing osu mania for maybe 5 months i can play 4 star map but then i stopped playing because my pc is broken for 2 months and i play really poor again,and that is why i'm searching for tips like this but up until now my training in osu!mania based from star rating like right now i can play 3 star beatmap now i'm aiming to be able play 4 star beatmap, after reading this i saw that there is something called horizontal reading and vertical reading i've never used this both or maybe i unconsciously used them i try to read it like that but it just doesn't work its like there is no time to make blocks for horizontal reading how i read the notes is simple just see the notes then press it is it because i'm playing at 25 speed?
Valedict
243 posts
Joined April 2013
Valedict

Shimomura wrote:

first i want to say sorry because my english is bad

i've been playing osu mania for maybe 5 months i can play 4 star map but then i stopped playing because my pc is broken for 2 months and i play really poor again,and that is why i'm searching for tips like this but up until now my training in osu!mania based from star rating like right now i can play 3 star beatmap now i'm aiming to be able play 4 star beatmap, after reading this i saw that there is something called horizontal reading and vertical reading i've never used this both or maybe i unconsciously used them i try to read it like that but it just doesn't work its like there is no time to make blocks for horizontal reading how i read the notes is simple just see the notes then press it is it because i'm playing at 25 speed?
Play more


You won't learn anything right off the bat, 7k takes a lot longer to improve on and you have to keep playing it until horizontal reading and vertical reading is something that comes to you naturally and without any pre-meditated thought.

Scroll speed is irrelevant in this case, that's just how fast you can read something comfortably. For what it's worth though, try playing at 1 lower speed like 24; that's what I use whenever I play 7k.
Shimomura
6 posts
Joined August 2012
Shimomura
so i just need to keep practicing and keep trying to learn how the horizontal and the vertical reading comes naturally to me?
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
When you play, try to identify the patterns your playing. think about the way the mapper has mapped the song. If you can't do this while you're playing without getting bad scores, you're not at the skill level where this will matter anyway.

It's natural to lose skill after a long break, and it can take time to build back up to where you were. Lower reading speed might help this process, but even if it does, it probably won't be a big effect.

So, As you improve at the game, being able to hit notes should become basically automatic for you. If you can think about all sorts of other things and still play the song properly, you're at the stage where you can begin paying attention to patterns more closely to the actual patterns themselves.

What I do when I play maps is try to identify exactly what sounds each note follows. I also analyze it like I would if I was mapping it. I look for any inconsistencies in patterns. I look for how the mapper transitions between different patterns. That sort of thing.

Vertical and Horizontal reading are just 2 different ways to look at a pattern. I use both at the same time on maps I'm not familiar with.
Shimomura
6 posts
Joined August 2012
Shimomura
thanks i will try your tips
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-
Stickied, even after 2 years this post is still helpful to newer players.
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
It happened folks, it happened.
YAY
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Oh thank god, maybe we'll have at least a FEW less "how do i get better" posts... maybe.
timi96
1 post
Joined October 2014
timi96
some inverted notes beatmaps? (lift or LN walls) i didn't find any
Safaklc_old
6 posts
Joined June 2015
Safaklc_old
Thanks bro this is awesome ;)
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