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Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips? 
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
I kinda aim to impress others on osu, but it's mainly my friends who also play who I aim to impress with replays, we like to impress each other :p
you lack something called "stamina"iLoveYordles wrote:
Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Well about keeping the same settings. i have been gradually increasing my dpi because at first i had like 800 dpi mouse and it was really hard when i set my new mouse to 3000 right away soo i played with a bit higher than 800 for a while then increased again and then again. For me it was much easier than jumpign right in with high dpi
Few questions from me, as new player, person who love listening music and is kinda binded to his small personal smartphone with loads of songs.
1) How i should force my first steps in OSU. So far i just found songs what i realy like to listen and on Normal difficulty i get normaly rank C. I managed ONE time on Easy mode to get S rank but that was like year ago when i found OSU (abandoned it due work and real life issues so consider it as i am starting from scrach, newbie, etc).
2) I tryed hard difficulty and i cannot pass even first seconds of any song, simply speed of bits is too damn high for me that i cannot follow nodes. Should i force myself to repeatly do same song like tousent of times till i get used to fast speed or stick for easy/normals at start now?
3) Passed some bitmaps from "Recommended Difficulty" and it went pretty decent, one even A rank after like 4-5 times (few repeats per try), should i stick to recommended once or just go and play songs what i know and like? Do actualy playing songs what i hear first time in my life is better for me and will help improve?
Thanks for advice guys and cheers!
@Edit - I am mouse user.
1) How i should force my first steps in OSU. So far i just found songs what i realy like to listen and on Normal difficulty i get normaly rank C. I managed ONE time on Easy mode to get S rank but that was like year ago when i found OSU (abandoned it due work and real life issues so consider it as i am starting from scrach, newbie, etc).
2) I tryed hard difficulty and i cannot pass even first seconds of any song, simply speed of bits is too damn high for me that i cannot follow nodes. Should i force myself to repeatly do same song like tousent of times till i get used to fast speed or stick for easy/normals at start now?
3) Passed some bitmaps from "Recommended Difficulty" and it went pretty decent, one even A rank after like 4-5 times (few repeats per try), should i stick to recommended once or just go and play songs what i know and like? Do actualy playing songs what i hear first time in my life is better for me and will help improve?
Thanks for advice guys and cheers!
@Edit - I am mouse user.
I found at the beginning when I first played that it wasn't as easy as I thought.
Sure I could follow with my eyes, but doing it with a mouse was way harder.
Not to mention that you have to click too which quickly overloads your mind.
I find that eating before you play and getting some sleep helps alot in terms of accuracy.
I don't know why, but it works for me.
The guide for total beginners:
1) Play the easy maps. No you aren't good enough for normal yet.
-If you can't do it, play it on half speed. Get used to pressing x instead of clicking, it helps much more
-Also, try to sync your ears to the beat. No beatmap is there without a beat.
2) Once you're better, go on to normal
-Basically, same thing, just try more. It may take a long time before you can get to hard. I have been playing for a month and I can only manage to get B's and C's on hard.
3) PRACTICE
-I know that some people think that they can get by without actually trying but believe me, you have to practice. Practice makes perfect, right?
Tips:
-To get better at listening to the beat, enable the Hidden mod and try and figure out when you are supposed to click. No peeking!
-To get better at accuracy and to get your body to adjust to new beatmaps, play on Hard Rock. It flips the map over the x axis and makes the hit circles smaller, so accuracy matters more.
P.S. If you find that your cursor is lagging,
1) Go to options
2) Go to frame rate
3) Change FPS to unlimited
This is implemented to keep people from cheating by making the fps low.
Enjoy playing osu!
Sure I could follow with my eyes, but doing it with a mouse was way harder.
Not to mention that you have to click too which quickly overloads your mind.
I find that eating before you play and getting some sleep helps alot in terms of accuracy.
I don't know why, but it works for me.
The guide for total beginners:
1) Play the easy maps. No you aren't good enough for normal yet.
-If you can't do it, play it on half speed. Get used to pressing x instead of clicking, it helps much more
-Also, try to sync your ears to the beat. No beatmap is there without a beat.
2) Once you're better, go on to normal
-Basically, same thing, just try more. It may take a long time before you can get to hard. I have been playing for a month and I can only manage to get B's and C's on hard.
3) PRACTICE
-I know that some people think that they can get by without actually trying but believe me, you have to practice. Practice makes perfect, right?
Tips:
-To get better at listening to the beat, enable the Hidden mod and try and figure out when you are supposed to click. No peeking!
-To get better at accuracy and to get your body to adjust to new beatmaps, play on Hard Rock. It flips the map over the x axis and makes the hit circles smaller, so accuracy matters more.
P.S. If you find that your cursor is lagging,
1) Go to options
2) Go to frame rate
3) Change FPS to unlimited
This is implemented to keep people from cheating by making the fps low.
Enjoy playing osu!
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
Yet they're all the perfect ingredients to make up some placebo effectsTess wrote:
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
Something I've been meaning to ask.. Is raw input that necessary if you play with a mouse? I recently got a G400s and set it to 800dpi and 1.0x in game, but I forgot to turn raw input on so I've just been playing like that for a little over a week. Enhance pointer precision is off in G400s settings, and I'm pretty sure it was off when I checked Windows settings a while back.
I also tampered with the windows sensitivity because I had to use a touchpad for a while (previous mouse broke so I couldn't play), and forgot it there. I checked it and it's on 8/11 now. Should I tone it down to default?
If it is better to play with raw input on, how much should I conpensate in dpi? I play on 1600x900 native resolution and with raw input on the cursor gets way too slow for me.
*I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask, I just guessed that my settings could be potentially messing with how I play.
I also tampered with the windows sensitivity because I had to use a touchpad for a while (previous mouse broke so I couldn't play), and forgot it there. I checked it and it's on 8/11 now. Should I tone it down to default?
If it is better to play with raw input on, how much should I conpensate in dpi? I play on 1600x900 native resolution and with raw input on the cursor gets way too slow for me.
*I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask, I just guessed that my settings could be potentially messing with how I play.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265192/dpi- ... nter-speedNikkumi wrote:
Something I've been meaning to ask.. Is raw input that necessary if you play with a mouse? I recently got a G400s and set it to 800dpi and 1.0x in game, but I forgot to turn raw input on so I've just been playing like that for a little over a week. Enhance pointer precision is off in G400s settings, and I'm pretty sure it was off when I checked Windows settings a while back.
I also tampered with the windows sensitivity because I had to use a touchpad for a while (previous mouse broke so I couldn't play), and forgot it there. I checked it and it's on 8/11 now. Should I tone it down to default?
If it is better to play with raw input on, how much should I conpensate in dpi? I play on 1600x900 native resolution and with raw input on the cursor gets way too slow for me.
according to this, 8/11 multiplies dpi by 2. So try 1600dpi with raw input.
When you get a placebo to work, the best course of action is to figure out what about that placebo made it work, and then focus on that so you can achieve the same results without said placebo.GoldenWolf wrote:
Yet they're all the perfect ingredients to make up some placebo effectsTess wrote:
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
An example of something I did that helped for me was imagining a pro player playing the map I was playing as I played it, and then I tried following their cursor movements and tapping as closely as I could. This actually helped - I obviously didn't instantly become pro, but I could keep combo for longer, get higher accuracy, etc. Then later I thought about what I did differently during that time, and realized that, because I was so focused on "playing like a pro", I was paying much more attention to the map. I was forced to read properly because I had to visualize where the cursor went before following there with my own. That inspired me to practice reading, and now I can get in the same state without the need of any silly symbolism.
tl;dr Do the placebo, find the cause of the placebo's effect, remove the placebo, repeat the cause to achieve the effect again.
Tried it and it feels fairly similar. Possibly smoother than before.B1rd wrote:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265192/dpi- ... nter-speed
according to this, 8/11 multiplies dpi by 2. So try 1600dpi with raw input.
Would it be a good idea to fall back to 6/11? I've read that the pointer skips counts above 6/11, although I got to admit I'm not sure what that means.
I'm just at the point where I've been playing at 8/11 for 9 days after a two month hiatus, so my muscle memory was sort of "reset" until that point (or maybe I'm wrong since I don't know how muscle memory works exactly).
I've read that you generally shouldn't change settings too much and stick to one, so I don't know what to do.
I don't quite understand this logic. Honestly, the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible, and even then, it's still going to contain some subjectivity. You should understand that rhetorical writings do not work if it's all, "I say this is this way because it works for me so it works for everyone. I'm right, do what i say." Simply leaving it at that without backing it up with at least some kind of hypothetical or real proof is what would be unwise. What's more important is not so much whether or not what's being said is objective, but rather, how it's presented so that the reader will subjectively take in the information in favor of the writer. To wrap this up: statements of objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer because it represents them having tangible evidence(regardless of existence), credibility increases the affinity for the readers to agree with the writer, and also, increases thought on their end on what is being said on whatever topic.Tess wrote:
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
You want to know the secret though...
This entire thread is subjective advice.
Guess it worked, eh?
Well, looking at all your points, I don't think you quite grasped my statement. Then again, looking back at it, I think it was more of an in-joke with myself than anything else. I'll explain everything though, just so it doesn't look like I'm randomly spouting crap without any thought behind it. I'll start by replying to your points.
Well, how do you define objective? You say "as objective as possible", but how would you even measure said objectivity? Are you aware of how objective this thread is being? If so, could you explain how much that is, and how you got to that amount?
If you go for the dictionary definition (people rarely do), which is, quote, "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.", then that would be false on both accounts, because all we can do on this forum is share our personal experiences and I doubt that a majority of the users on this forum knows of the facts that drive their subjective experiences. On top of that, you wouldn't really be able to measure that. You either are objective, or you're not.
Providing evidence along with your statement makes you more credible, yes. What kind of evidence would a "GUYS THIS IS TURLY THE METHOD WITH HOW YOU GET BETTER >>>THE REAL DEAL RIGHT HERE<<<" thread OP have to provide that would not only convince the reader before they tried it for themselves, but also work for every single player that tries it? Because that's what a fact is, you know. Gravity is there for everyone. 2 is always more than 1. A feather is lighter than a truck, everywhere. If your method doesn't work for everyone, it's a subjective method, and presenting it objectively is wrong and only leads to misunderstandings, which people are quite good at causing.
AND THEN YOU SAY THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS SUBJECTIVE
Thank you for your reply, though. I can see that you put effort and thought into it and it did most certainly make me revise my statement to make sure whether I was making any sense or not. It was also fun to reply to, and I have to say that the last part did make me giggle. Time not wasted. I hope you understand my logic now.
Amphetamine wrote:
Honestly, the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible, and even then, it's still going to contain some subjectivity.
Well, how do you define objective? You say "as objective as possible", but how would you even measure said objectivity? Are you aware of how objective this thread is being? If so, could you explain how much that is, and how you got to that amount?
If you go for the dictionary definition (people rarely do), which is, quote, "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.", then that would be false on both accounts, because all we can do on this forum is share our personal experiences and I doubt that a majority of the users on this forum knows of the facts that drive their subjective experiences. On top of that, you wouldn't really be able to measure that. You either are objective, or you're not.
Okay, step on your breaks there, Sonic. What about my post implies that I don't understand that baseless (Not rhetorical, your example had nothing to do with rhetoric at all) statements do not work under pretty much any circumstances except for sheer luck around brainless listeners? I'm not sure where you're taking that assumption from, so, if you could elaborate, that would be much appreciated. I do see what you're saying about me not backing up my statement, but perhaps I wasn't trying to give advice with my post, and rather to spark thought and discussion. Ever considered that? If so, what would be wrong with my statement? You wrote out quite a complete post with fully formulated points that you put quite some serious thought behind, and now I'm replying to said post as maturely as I can - wouldn't that mean that I've achieved my goal? If I'm overlooking something here, I'd be glad to see it pointed out, so I can prevent it in the future.Amphetamine wrote:
You should understand that rhetorical writings do not work if it's all, "I say this is this way because it works for me so it works for everyone. I'm right, do what i say." Simply leaving it at that without backing it up with at least some kind of hypothetical or real proof is what would be unwise.
The reader always takes information in subjectively, though. However, I'm not going to be petty - I do see what you're trying to say. The thing is, it's still not a very effective approach. You can attune objective statements to the subjectivity of a listener, sure. However, the key word in that sentence is "a". That only really, truly works in one-on-one teaching - and this is assuming that this thread contains objective statements, which it does not. Only attempted objectivity, to further complicate things. If this makes you wonder why my post says "objective advice" - I was referring to advice presented as objective, there. As in "To get better, do A, B, and C. Good luck.". That's objective. That's a tutorial, an instruction, which doesn't work for this game. That's something that works when it's "To open a door, either twist the knob, pull the handle, or blow it the fuck up.". What makes one player get better makes the other player get worse, you can't write out a tutorial on how to get better because it would only work for a select amount of people. In fact, that was the entire point of my statement.Amphetamine wrote:
What's more important is not so much whether or not what's being said is objective, but rather, how it's presented so that the reader will subjectively take in the information in favor of the writer.
Amphetamine wrote:
To wrap this up: statements of objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer because it represents them having tangible evidence(regardless of existence)
Providing evidence along with your statement makes you more credible, yes. What kind of evidence would a "GUYS THIS IS TURLY THE METHOD WITH HOW YOU GET BETTER >>>THE REAL DEAL RIGHT HERE<<<" thread OP have to provide that would not only convince the reader before they tried it for themselves, but also work for every single player that tries it? Because that's what a fact is, you know. Gravity is there for everyone. 2 is always more than 1. A feather is lighter than a truck, everywhere. If your method doesn't work for everyone, it's a subjective method, and presenting it objectively is wrong and only leads to misunderstandings, which people are quite good at causing.
But that I agree with you doesn't mean that what you said will help me~Amphetamine wrote:
credibility increases the affinity for the readers to agree with the writer
This didn't make sense to me.Amphetamine wrote:
and also, increases thought on their end on what is being said on whatever topic.
And down the drain goes your entire post, which makes me pretty sad. It was a good post, fun to reply to, yet you disagree with everything you've said with your little "secret". First you say that the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible. Then you go on to say that said objective information should be presented in such a way that it can be interpreted subjectively, by everyone, so that it can work for as many people as possible. Then you go on to say that objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer, and makes the reader more eager to agree with him and think about stuff.Amphetamine wrote:
You want to know the secret though...
This entire thread is subjective advice.
Guess it worked, eh?
AND THEN YOU SAY THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS SUBJECTIVE
Thank you for your reply, though. I can see that you put effort and thought into it and it did most certainly make me revise my statement to make sure whether I was making any sense or not. It was also fun to reply to, and I have to say that the last part did make me giggle. Time not wasted. I hope you understand my logic now.
Tess wrote:
Well, looking at all your points, I don't think you quite grasped my statement. Then again, looking back at it, I think it was more of an in-joke with myself than anything else. I'll explain everything though, just so it doesn't look like I'm randomly spouting crap without any thought behind it. I'll start by replying to your points.
Amphetamine wrote:
Honestly, the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible, and even then, it's still going to contain some subjectivity.
Oh no, you did not just go there. You brought out the dictionary on me. Low blow man, low blow. However, this actually is the reason why I said, "as objective as possible." Due to the fact that objectivity is not something that can be measured, nor present, for that matter, within a forum that is almost wholly based on subjective posts and responses. I said objective as possible in order to show my understanding of the fact that it will not be 100% objective. Point being, you kind of agreed with me inadvertently.Tess wrote:
Well, how do you define objective? You say "as objective as possible", but how would you even measure said objectivity? Are you aware of how objective this thread is being? If so, could you explain how much that is, and how you got to that amount?
If you go for the dictionary definition (people rarely do), which is, quote, "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.", then that would be false on both accounts, because all we can do on this forum is share our personal experiences and I doubt that a majority of the users on this forum knows of the facts that drive their subjective experiences. On top of that, you wouldn't really be able to measure that. You either are objective, or you're not.
Amphetamine wrote:
You should understand that rhetorical writings do not work if it's all, "I say this is this way because it works for me so it works for everyone. I'm right, do what i say." Simply leaving it at that without backing it up with at least some kind of hypothetical or real proof is what would be unwise.
Actually, the rhetorical writing alluded to was the OP. I was stating that, had the thread not provided some form of statements of objectivity in its points of advice, it would not work. I used said "baseless statement" in order to provide some insight in to what I meant by the necessity of objectivity. The statement you called baseless was my example of a statement based purely on subjective thought. Basically what I'm saying is that, if the thread followed this subjective, as you called it, baseless, train of thought, without offering up any kind of, or facade of a solid basis--subjectivity disguised as objectivity through the use of common sense questions and statements that the reader can make sense of through their own thought process, then the impact, as well as the credibility, completely breaks down.Tess wrote:
Okay, step on your breaks there, Sonic. What about my post implies that I don't understand that baseless (Not rhetorical, your example had nothing to do with rhetoric at all) statements do not work under pretty much any circumstances except for sheer luck around brainless listeners? I'm not sure where you're taking that assumption from, so, if you could elaborate, that would be much appreciated. I do see what you're saying about me not backing up my statement, but perhaps I wasn't trying to give advice with my post, and rather to spark thought and discussion. Ever considered that? If so, what would be wrong with my statement? You wrote out quite a complete post with fully formulated points that you put quite some serious thought behind, and now I'm replying to said post as maturely as I can - wouldn't that mean that I've achieved my goal? If I'm overlooking something here, I'd be glad to see it pointed out, so I can prevent it in the future.
As for you stating, "I do see what you're saying about me not backing up my statement, but perhaps I wasn't trying to give advice with my post, and rather to spark thought and discussion. Ever considered that?" I don't quite understand this logic. I don't understand how a statement that isn't backed up by any indication of thought could ever spark a discussion considering the fact that I have no idea what you mean. If I understand your logic correctly, I could say "The ephemeral box is one of short time" and expect to spark discussion from that. I'm pretty sure any discussion arising from that statement would be along the lines of others saying, "What the hell is this person talking about?"
As to not confuse you, as i have earlier with my other baseless statement, I'll expand upon this. If I, nor anybody else, knows what you're trying to say with such a vague statement then how could it ever generate any discussion. "It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets" What's your point? Is it that giving advice in general is not wise, is it that just objective advice is not wise, is it that because of arbitrary skillsets and being subjective learners that objective advice couldn't work? If so, wouldn't that mean that no advice could help regardless of being objective or subjective and that advice period is unwise? My point being that, if you don't clearly state what you're trying to say, I'll take it as I perceive it, and because of that, I may misconstrue your meaning and end up having to type a 10 page essay in responses to you going back and explaining what you really meant after the fact.
As for the last sardonic statement of "didn't I achieve my goal" let's try to keep things real. I feel as though you've taken it that I've somehow tried to discredit your intelligence, and if so, let's just end that right here. Nothing I said was against you personally.
Amphetamine wrote:
What's more important is not so much whether or not what's being said is objective, but rather, how it's presented so that the reader will subjectively take in the information in favor of the writer.
First and foremost, I said take in information subjectively in favor of the writer. Naturally the reader always takes in information subjectively, however, they can take a position against an argument, or, they can take a position for the argument. I was trying to high-light the taking in of information, naturally subjective, that leads them to agree with the writer. That would be why I didn't end the sentence with the word "subjectively."Tess wrote:
The reader always takes information in subjectively, though. However, I'm not going to be petty - I do see what you're trying to say. The thing is, it's still not a very effective approach. You can attune objective statements to the subjectivity of a listener, sure. However, the key word in that sentence is "a". That only really, truly works in one-on-one teaching - and this is assuming that this thread contains objective statements, which it does not. Only attempted objectivity, to further complicate things. If this makes you wonder why my post says "objective advice" - I was referring to advice presented as objective, there. As in "To get better, do A, B, and C. Good luck.". That's objective. That's a tutorial, an instruction, which doesn't work for this game. That's something that works when it's "To open a door, either twist the knob, pull the handle, or blow it the fuck up.". What makes one player get better makes the other player get worse, you can't write out a tutorial on how to get better because it would only work for a select amount of people. In fact, that was the entire point of my statement.
The way I take this is that you're agreeing with me. I said that it could only work if it were objective. Yes, osu! is not a game that can be broken up into steps as simple as opening up a door, that's obviously true. With that being said, I don't understand how attempted objectivity could further complicate anything. If anything, providing as much objectivity as possible would be nothing but beneficial to this argument. You said "You can attune objective statements to the subjectivity of a listener, sure. However, the key word in that sentence is "a". That only really, truly works in one-on-one teaching - and this is assuming that this thread contains objective statements, which it does not."
Is this true? Does this kind of advice only work when being given one-on-one? How do you know? Let's say we live in a world where that is a proven fact. If so, then wouldn't trying to emulate that be the best course of action when giving advice regardless of whatever medium was being used? I don't think giving advice changes all that much between one-on-one and writer to reader. Sure, in the real world, you can edit your statements and attune them to one specific person based on their personality and the reactions of that person, but is that really something you can't do when writing to a specific audience? Do you not think that the OP is attuned to a certain audience? Keywords being "a" and "audience" meaning that it is written this way because it seems like the most effective way to get the point across to the intended general audience. I'm just gonna leave it there and leave the thinking up to you.
Amphetamine wrote:
To wrap this up: statements of objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer because it represents them having tangible evidence(regardless of existence)
If I'm getting what you mean, you're basically saying that trying to market a subjective argument as an objective one will only confuse others. Sure, that may be the case if I was arguing an objective matter, that contained proven facts, in my own subjective way. That's called tricking people. That can only happen if what you're saying can be proven wrong or right with factual data. You could argue that a red car is better than a yellow car. That's subjective. You could tell them that red cars are better because they get pulled over less than yellow cars. That could be objective or subjective. You vehemently refuse show them the data behind your statement that red cars get pulled over less. Now you're untrustworthy because your statement that could be considered either objective or subjective is now compromised and looks more subjective.Tess wrote:
Providing evidence along with your statement makes you more credible, yes. What kind of evidence would a "GUYS THIS IS TURLY THE METHOD WITH HOW YOU GET BETTER >>>THE REAL DEAL RIGHT HERE<<<" thread OP have to provide that would not only convince the reader before they tried it for themselves, but also work for every single player that tries it? Because that's what a fact is, you know. Gravity is there for everyone. 2 is always more than 1. A feather is lighter than a truck, everywhere. If your method doesn't work for everyone, it's a subjective method, and presenting it objectively is wrong and only leads to misunderstandings, which people are quite good at causing.
Basically what I'm saying is that not providing facts, for an argument based on facts, could indeed confuse(trick) people, sure. But does arguing something that can't be proven and backing yourself up as much as possible have the same effect? Say I argue that it's best to study while listening to music. Could that be proven, most likely not, and if so, probably fairly inconclusively. Why is that? It's because everybody is different. In order to convince others that my argument is correct, I'll try to back it up with subjective statements that sound credible, basically making seemingly objective statements out of subjective thoughts.
Amphetamine wrote:
credibility increases the affinity for the readers to agree with the writer
I never said it would help you. Have a nice day?Tess wrote:
But that I agree with you doesn't mean that what you said will help me~
Amphetamine wrote:
and also, increases thought on their end on what is being said on whatever topic.
When someone finds something more real and something they can relate to, they'll be more likely to question it and how it affects them because it is relevant.Tess wrote:
This didn't make sense to me.
Amphetamine wrote:
You want to know the secret though...
This entire thread is subjective advice.
Guess it worked, eh?
[/quote]Tess wrote:
And down the drain goes your entire post, which makes me pretty sad. It was a good post, fun to reply to, yet you disagree with everything you've said with your little "secret". First you say that the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible. Then you go on to say that said objective information should be presented in such a way that it can be interpreted subjectively, by everyone, so that it can work for as many people as possible. Then you go on to say that objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer, and makes the reader more eager to agree with him and think about stuff.
No. Actually, this is where your post goes entirely down the drain. What you seem to have not grasped is the fact that I told what I said was subjective for a reason. You said "giving objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets blah blah blah." Point being that the advice comes across as objective although it is actually not. Like I said, what's more important is how the writing comes across to the reader, and judging from your first comment, it came across as objective.
Now you can kick and scream and argue all you want, however, they're your words. You can say "oh well i was just trying to say that so(insert excuse here" be my guest. My point is that the post is marketed in a way that makes subjective advice look more objective to readers, and as such, is more relevant to the reader, is more credible, is more relatable, and creates food for thought on the subject at hand in an organized way that makes it look more like it's based on fact. That was my point for saying it needs to be as objective as possible. Regardless of whether it helps anyone is another matter entirely, however, you seem to be arguing over something so trivial as objectivity and subjectivity so vehemently that I felt it would be almost insulting to not respond. Truthfully, we both are. What's the point in arguing over a misunderstanding?
You don't have to agree with me, you can think anything you want. I appreciate other schools of thought, however, I like to see the reasons behind them. I appreciate you taking the time to write all this out, because honestly, it was pretty fun arguing with you (psst. don't take that the wrong way) It's rare to find someone who actually makes me think this much. Well played sir. (handhshake)
Too long too read.
Well, I read your entire post, but... To be honest; not only do you not make sense, it also seems as though your reply is written purely for the sake of disagreeing. Which is, just like the end of the post I replied to, rather disappointing. I could reply to everything you said but that would only derail the thread - I was assuming it would stop at my post, anyway.
So, to bring things back on track; I firmly believe that "play more" isn't the way to "get better", nor are any of the snippets of advice that I've seen in this thread. That doesn't mean that none of it works - some of it makes sense, like editing your settings to make things more playable, practicing different kinds of methods and play styles, and trying not to get too frustrated when things don't work out. But people seem to have romantic interest in the idea of a "golden solution", a single answer to all of your problems - because it's easy! If all you had to do was focus on one thing, then all you would need is time to get you anywhere. And I see that as an answer a lot of the time; "How do I get better?" "Play more." "Practice moar." "Play more hard stuff."
That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, as there are at least five major and several other minor aspects to consider while trying to improve this game - playing more is only the natural effect of trying to develop said aspects. Now, everyone plays differently, so I doubt that I could tell you how to develop anything and have it work consistently with you, but I'll list the aspects you should consider when thinking about how to practice - perhaps that could nudge some of the people here into a more healthy direction, provided that they're willing to improve, instead of looking for a golden answer. If you want the easy way to get good scores - use hacks. If you want to actually get good, work hard and efficiently. It's not rocket science.
The things to be considered, and their respective questions that come with them, are;
Aim - What makes me or other players aim well? What can get in the way of good aiming? What kinds of maps would I need to play to train my aim?
Speed - Why are some players faster than others? How can I play faster without reducing my accuracy too much? How do I read faster without losing my ability to read slower?
Accuracy - What determines how accurate I am? Why are thelewa and Bikko so much more accurate than other players? How can I train my accuracy simultaneously with my speed and aim?
Reading - How should I define "reading", and why would that definition help me improve as a player? What can I do to practice my reading without getting bored? How do MillhioreF or BluOxy look at the screen while they're playing, and why does this enable them to play EZ and FL so well?
Consistency - How do I practice my consistency? Why are players like doctorindark so much more consistent than others? When have I been more consistent in the past, and what did I do then that I could start doing again in the present?
Once you start thinking more in-depth about these things, you need to take the precaution of assuming that the conclusion you draw about them will most likely be incorrect, and be constantly trying to find holes in your own logic, until you can't anymore. In short;
Ask questions -> Find answers -> Work the flaws out of the answers -> Repeat with your increased knowledge
Add this to your practice routine and you'll be surprised how well it works, provided you put the required amount of effort into it. Then again, if you're not willing to put in effort, you shouldn't complain about sucking~
So, to bring things back on track; I firmly believe that "play more" isn't the way to "get better", nor are any of the snippets of advice that I've seen in this thread. That doesn't mean that none of it works - some of it makes sense, like editing your settings to make things more playable, practicing different kinds of methods and play styles, and trying not to get too frustrated when things don't work out. But people seem to have romantic interest in the idea of a "golden solution", a single answer to all of your problems - because it's easy! If all you had to do was focus on one thing, then all you would need is time to get you anywhere. And I see that as an answer a lot of the time; "How do I get better?" "Play more." "Practice moar." "Play more hard stuff."
That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, as there are at least five major and several other minor aspects to consider while trying to improve this game - playing more is only the natural effect of trying to develop said aspects. Now, everyone plays differently, so I doubt that I could tell you how to develop anything and have it work consistently with you, but I'll list the aspects you should consider when thinking about how to practice - perhaps that could nudge some of the people here into a more healthy direction, provided that they're willing to improve, instead of looking for a golden answer. If you want the easy way to get good scores - use hacks. If you want to actually get good, work hard and efficiently. It's not rocket science.
The things to be considered, and their respective questions that come with them, are;
Aim - What makes me or other players aim well? What can get in the way of good aiming? What kinds of maps would I need to play to train my aim?
Speed - Why are some players faster than others? How can I play faster without reducing my accuracy too much? How do I read faster without losing my ability to read slower?
Accuracy - What determines how accurate I am? Why are thelewa and Bikko so much more accurate than other players? How can I train my accuracy simultaneously with my speed and aim?
Reading - How should I define "reading", and why would that definition help me improve as a player? What can I do to practice my reading without getting bored? How do MillhioreF or BluOxy look at the screen while they're playing, and why does this enable them to play EZ and FL so well?
Consistency - How do I practice my consistency? Why are players like doctorindark so much more consistent than others? When have I been more consistent in the past, and what did I do then that I could start doing again in the present?
Once you start thinking more in-depth about these things, you need to take the precaution of assuming that the conclusion you draw about them will most likely be incorrect, and be constantly trying to find holes in your own logic, until you can't anymore. In short;
Ask questions -> Find answers -> Work the flaws out of the answers -> Repeat with your increased knowledge
Add this to your practice routine and you'll be surprised how well it works, provided you put the required amount of effort into it. Then again, if you're not willing to put in effort, you shouldn't complain about sucking~
I'm sorry if that's how you interpreted it. It was definitely not my intention to. Please understand that when you say things such as "you do not make sense" and that a part is "disappointing" I feel that it is a fault on my part, and as such, it is my obligation to explain myself as best I can in order to show that I have reason for my thinking so that it doesn't just look like some thoughtless b.s. thrown out there for the sake of nothing more than argument. That may have been counterproductive in this case, due to the fact that, my patterns of thought are quite disorganized and the fact that it was really late at night(or early in the morning?). To that end, if I have somehow come across that I'm antagonizing you or arguing with you just for funsies I apologize. I'll say it again, it is most definitely not my intention to do so. I think we simply had conflicting ideas and that's completely fine.Tess wrote:
Well, I read your entire post, but... To be honest; not only do you not make sense, it also seems as though your reply is written purely for the sake of disagreeing. Which is, just like the end of the post I replied to, rather disappointing. I could reply to everything you said but that would only derail the thread - I was assuming it would stop at my post, anyway.
Yes, yes, yes, and more yes!!!!!! I could not agree with you more. This is the type of response I love. I think you make awesome points, and although I'm sure you don't need nor really want my approval, I still believe that your points on aim, speed, accuracy, reading, and consistency are truly something that should be taken into consideration more by people who want to improve. I feel as though many look for that "one best way to improve" to the point that they overlook the simple things that are the entire basis for improvement, or rather, they don't even bother practicing them because they spend all their time looking for that one-best-way to improve, however, trying to apply any type of one-best-way method of improvement will leave you nowhere. These areas, broken down with these questions, are definitely something I'll consider when I work on improvement as well. Breaking things down and questioning yourself as to how you can improve on them and coming up with your own self-specific answers definitely sounds like an awesome way to improve skills.Tess wrote:
So, to bring things back on track; I firmly believe that "play more" isn't the way to "get better", nor are any of the snippets of advice that I've seen in this thread. That doesn't mean that none of it works - some of it makes sense, like editing your settings to make things more playable, practicing different kinds of methods and play styles, and trying not to get too frustrated when things don't work out. But people seem to have romantic interest in the idea of a "golden solution", a single answer to all of your problems - because it's easy! If all you had to do was focus on one thing, then all you would need is time to get you anywhere. And I see that as an answer a lot of the time; "How do I get better?" "Play more." "Practice moar." "Play more hard stuff."
That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, as there are at least five major and several other minor aspects to consider while trying to improve this game - playing more is only the natural effect of trying to develop said aspects. Now, everyone plays differently, so I doubt that I could tell you how to develop anything and have it work consistently with you, but I'll list the aspects you should consider when thinking about how to practice - perhaps that could nudge some of the people here into a more healthy direction, provided that they're willing to improve, instead of looking for a golden answer. If you want the easy way to get good scores - use hacks. If you want to actually get good, work hard and efficiently. It's not rocket science.
The things to be considered, and their respective questions that come with them, are;
Aim - What makes me or other players aim well? What can get in the way of good aiming? What kinds of maps would I need to play to train my aim?
Speed - Why are some players faster than others? How can I play faster without reducing my accuracy too much? How do I read faster without losing my ability to read slower?
Accuracy - What determines how accurate I am? Why are thelewa and Bikko so much more accurate than other players? How can I train my accuracy simultaneously with my speed and aim?
Reading - How should I define "reading", and why would that definition help me improve as a player? What can I do to practice my reading without getting bored? How do MillhioreF or BluOxy look at the screen while they're playing, and why does this enable them to play EZ and FL so well?
Consistency - How do I practice my consistency? Why are players like doctorindark so much more consistent than others? When have I been more consistent in the past, and what did I do then that I could start doing again in the present?
Once you start thinking more in-depth about these things, you need to take the precaution of assuming that the conclusion you draw about them will most likely be incorrect, and be constantly trying to find holes in your own logic, until you can't anymore. In short;
Ask questions -> Find answers -> Work the flaws out of the answers -> Repeat with your increased knowledge
Add this to your practice routine and you'll be surprised how well it works, provided you put the required amount of effort into it. Then again, if you're not willing to put in effort, you shouldn't complain about sucking~
Well, thanks for taking the time to reply, and I'm glad you liked my advice. Do try to be careful with quotespam in the future, though. And you don't come across as antagonizing or rude or whatever, I don't think that so easily of people.
This was honestly the best piece of advice I have read till now. Thank you.Tess wrote:
I firmly believe that...
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For anyone trying to improve in a skill, I would recommend a book named "The Little Book of Talent." It's an easy read that basically runs through a "menu" of practice techniques. You might find some that apply.
And don't lose heart. In Osu (and also in many other games), skill is NOT infinite. To see the upper bound, engage the "Auto" mod in-game and watch. It is possible, given enough time and effort, for you to reach the top.
And don't lose heart. In Osu (and also in many other games), skill is NOT infinite. To see the upper bound, engage the "Auto" mod in-game and watch. It is possible, given enough time and effort, for you to reach the top.
Raw input overrides windows settings.Nikkumi wrote:
Tried it and it feels fairly similar. Possibly smoother than before.B1rd wrote:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265192/dpi- ... nter-speed
according to this, 8/11 multiplies dpi by 2. So try 1600dpi with raw input.
Would it be a good idea to fall back to 6/11? I've read that the pointer skips counts above 6/11, although I got to admit I'm not sure what that means.
I'm just at the point where I've been playing at 8/11 for 9 days after a two month hiatus, so my muscle memory was sort of "reset" until that point (or maybe I'm wrong since I don't know how muscle memory works exactly).
I've read that you generally shouldn't change settings too much and stick to one, so I don't know what to do.
But it's possible you can get wonky performance with some game/hardware combos.
In that case it's "best" to use 6/11 or below in windows. Since you are going to get skipped pixels above that. But most people don't even notice.
It all comes down to personal preference. I know people who prefer to have some mouse acceleration whereas I bought my mouse mainly due to the sensor being completely acc. free.
I really need some serious zen monk tips on controlling my nerves. Its so bad I can feel blood rushing to my head and my hands shaking even when I'm about to FC maps that would give me NOTHING.
I cant even play goddamn hards without my heartbeat raising if I'm on a high combo. I keep telling myself to 'stay calm who cares if you miss' but it only works until I'm actually doing well and then I just lose my cool. Its so goddamn frustrating to be cruising through a map at 99% acc, a map that you should be EASILY able to FC, and then just fucking choke it 98% of time on the dumbest shit you've managed to do 50 times before.
90% of my fuckups involve going over a single note and just not pressing it, it doesnt even have to be a jump.
All my FCs are basically flukes where I managed to supress my pen hands shaking/brains refusals to press buttons enough to somehow hit all the notes. I always lose my acc at the end of the song because of this too.
Why is this game s0 hard.
I cant even play goddamn hards without my heartbeat raising if I'm on a high combo. I keep telling myself to 'stay calm who cares if you miss' but it only works until I'm actually doing well and then I just lose my cool. Its so goddamn frustrating to be cruising through a map at 99% acc, a map that you should be EASILY able to FC, and then just fucking choke it 98% of time on the dumbest shit you've managed to do 50 times before.
90% of my fuckups involve going over a single note and just not pressing it, it doesnt even have to be a jump.
All my FCs are basically flukes where I managed to supress my pen hands shaking/brains refusals to press buttons enough to somehow hit all the notes. I always lose my acc at the end of the song because of this too.
Why is this game s0 hard.
Why do you even care anyway? I get if you are trying to be competitive and all, but getting angry over stuff like that... I just don't get it. Well, actually, that's a lie, I DO get it, a long time ago I often got frustrated at video games too.
When I couldn't pass a level on Super Mario or Contra or whatever I used to get really mad... and then one day I was playing something and I thought "You know what, fuck it, it's just a stupid video game, I get enough things that frustrate me in real life, I don't need to add video games to the mix too."
What worked for me, is that I've accepted with a 100% certainty that I will never get good at osu, I'll never achieve a 3-digit rank( hell, I might not even achieve a 4-digit rank). And believe it or not, since I've accepted that, I'm having much more fun when I play.
I realize that this may not work for you and if you're dead set on becoming good, than who am I to stop you?! Just be prepared to continue getting frustrated over random misses etc.
For me, it's not worth it.
When I couldn't pass a level on Super Mario or Contra or whatever I used to get really mad... and then one day I was playing something and I thought "You know what, fuck it, it's just a stupid video game, I get enough things that frustrate me in real life, I don't need to add video games to the mix too."
What worked for me, is that I've accepted with a 100% certainty that I will never get good at osu, I'll never achieve a 3-digit rank( hell, I might not even achieve a 4-digit rank). And believe it or not, since I've accepted that, I'm having much more fun when I play.
I realize that this may not work for you and if you're dead set on becoming good, than who am I to stop you?! Just be prepared to continue getting frustrated over random misses etc.
For me, it's not worth it.
Its not about getting angry (yeah its frustrating but I wouldnt call it full blown anger) but about getting so ungodly nervous that I'm gonna fuck up that my aim and tapping becomes erratic, this usually leads to fucking up so its a vicious cycle of fuck uppery.
Good news, I barely breathe after I reach half combo on a song so I'm an expert at that.Nikkumi wrote:
Try to manage your breathing better.
I don't think anyone can give you any tips on how to keep calm and not get nervous. Top-tier players to this day get nervous towards the end of a map, even when they have so much experience.
Someone could say "play more" (a phrase which I am sick and tired of), but even that might not help. It's not helping me and I know that it's not helping players such as lewa. He has been playing this game a lot and he has said that even now he can't help but get nervous towards the end of a challenging map while he has been keeping combo and high accuracy throughout most of the map.
Bottom line - you will continue getting nervous, I don't think anything can fix that. It's just part of the challenge.
Someone could say "play more" (a phrase which I am sick and tired of), but even that might not help. It's not helping me and I know that it's not helping players such as lewa. He has been playing this game a lot and he has said that even now he can't help but get nervous towards the end of a challenging map while he has been keeping combo and high accuracy throughout most of the map.
Bottom line - you will continue getting nervous, I don't think anything can fix that. It's just part of the challenge.
yeah figures. Guess I'll just force myself to breathe calmly and relax my hands on every single play even if it means I'll miss because I'm focusing on relaxing for a while and see if it helps.
The degree to which you get nervous can become habitual. If you don't grasp control of it early on, it becomes harder to avoid the longer it goes on. It becomes an instinctive response... fight or flight. Being nervous is something I personally have to avoid wherever possible for health reasons, so mastering my nerves is ultimately one of my osu! goals. I quit osu! twice for 3-4 months each time because of it, even ending up in hospital at one point because I could not control my stress. While I don't have zen monk tips, these are the things I do:phonics wrote:
I really need some serious zen monk tips on controlling my nerves. Its so bad I can feel blood rushing to my head and my hands shaking even when I'm about to FC maps that would give me NOTHING.
Start with analysis. Learn to recognise mis-reads instead of just assuming your nerves are at fault. Find quirks in patterns that aren't quite the shape or distances you thought they were. Some maps have patterns that appear to be really easy, but if you stop and analyze them, you'll see they are more difficult than they seem.
Keep playing maps you are confident on (read: consistent), and raise your confidence level before attempting to set top scores on stuff that is difficult for you to do in a few attempts. Confidence is the key to controlling your nerves, and is best done while avoiding being nervous altogether. Find something you don't get nervous on (seriously... anything) and play it. Find more like it and play them. Raise the bar slowly, build consistency and confidence.
This is basically like playing below your maximum skill level... However you can still practice above it, because your goal there is a means to an end, not "now", so your mind knows not to get nervous. Just avoid playing between those 2, your maximum, where your nerves take hold, because that 1 play out of multiple attempts is going to make you nervous. So don't retry so much, and build up your confidence from a skill level you know you reside at.
Take your time. Practice efficiency rather than doing things faster. Practice what you are bad at, instead of clinging to hope. Nothing stresses you out more than rushing.
It's not necessarily about getting rid of high goals, but rather how you plan to achieve them. You can keep those goals, but decide to pursue them at a comfortable pace. The contradiction is that the goal is a moving target which gets further away the longer you take. However if you ignore that, you can still enjoy the game, play practice maps (for fun), all while keeping the goal of getting good... eventually.Gigo wrote:
What worked for me, is that I've accepted with a 100% certainty that I will never get good at osu, I'll never achieve a 3-digit rank( hell, I might not even achieve a 4-digit rank). And believe it or not, since I've accepted that, I'm having much more fun when I play.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Would you still find it worth doing? I'm willing to try anything at this point so I can progress in this game.
The degree to which you get nervous can become habitual. If you don't grasp control of it early on, it becomes harder to avoid the longer it goes on. It becomes an instinctive response..I feel like I'm already at this point and beyond it. The funny thing I haven't gotten seriously nervous once in any other game and I've played some competitive ass games including CS 1.6, CS:GO, SC2 and Dota2, all at a fairly competent level and I took those games VERY seriously yet I never felt nervous when playing them.
Start with analysis. Learn to recognise mis-reads instead of just assuming your nerves are at fault. Find quirks in patterns that aren't quite the shape or distances you thought they were. Some maps have patterns that appear to be really easy, but if you stop and analyze them, you'll see they are more difficult than they seem.I'm probably guilty of this as well because usually I dismiss them as nothing but standard chokes for me. I'll start thinking about my misses more.
Keep playing maps you are confident on (read: consistent), and raise your confidence level before attempting to set top scores on stuff that is difficult for you to do in a few attempts.I don't even attempt to FC anything that I can't get at least 98% acc on a standard basis because I know it just wont happen with my nerves. The problem is I can play these 4.0~4.2 star maps with a 98% acc and then just panic and choke almost without exception even though they arent even challenging me anymore on mechanical skill level.
Find something you don't get nervous on (seriously... anything) and play itThis basically means I should go back to 3 star maps
Would you still find it worth doing? I'm willing to try anything at this point so I can progress in this game.Fight or flight is situational. I can tell you that osu! is the most stressful game I've ever played. It is what you make of it, and it's really easy to become stressed. Other games give you breathing room at certain moments, time to think upon your actions, and also last a lot longer, so you are given a chance to calm down.phonics wrote:
I feel like I'm already at this point and beyond it. The funny thing I haven't gotten seriously nervous once in any other game and I've played some competitive ass games including CS 1.6, CS:GO, SC2 and Dota2, all at a fairly competent level and I took those games VERY seriously yet I never felt nervous when playing them.
I don't pay much attention to star rating myself. My recommendation is to detach yourself from that style of thinking. Yes, look at star rating to determine difficulty, but don't assume yourself to be a certain star difficulty in skill. Play stuff you feel you can play... well.phonics wrote:
This basically means I should go back to 3 star maps
well for the past few days I've been forcing myself to keep both my hands 100% relaxed and I've been achieving FCs on songs I havent been able to FC no matter how hard I've tried.
Its getting better but getting one 'random easy miss' sets me off from this relaxed state and I go back to my old tense style. Its really really hard to maintain this relaxed state but when I get there I can easily FC / improve my acc on songs I've panic mashed through to maintain combo. Now all thats left is to figure out how to go from being relaxed 10% of the time to 100% and i'll be good I think.
So to anyone else who has choking problems just FORCE your hands to be 100% loose, its really fucking hard but I havent found any other way. Also never ever ever ever look at your acc / combo during breaks, at least for me its a guaranteed fail shortly after the break
Its getting better but getting one 'random easy miss' sets me off from this relaxed state and I go back to my old tense style. Its really really hard to maintain this relaxed state but when I get there I can easily FC / improve my acc on songs I've panic mashed through to maintain combo. Now all thats left is to figure out how to go from being relaxed 10% of the time to 100% and i'll be good I think.
So to anyone else who has choking problems just FORCE your hands to be 100% loose, its really fucking hard but I havent found any other way. Also never ever ever ever look at your acc / combo during breaks, at least for me its a guaranteed fail shortly after the break
to get better, i think it is all about your mindset. if you believe you arent improving then you never will. jut keep trying and NEVER SAY "i cant do this! it is too hard!" JUST KEEP GOIN TILL YA WRIST BREAKS!
Same, I've always been bad at maintain combos. This was because I was choking my pen with my fingers, after loosening up I fc'd a few songs which I didn't even have the stamina to complete previously.phonics wrote:
well for the past few days I've been forcing myself to keep both my hands 100% relaxed and I've been achieving FCs on songs I havent been able to FC no matter how hard I've tried.
Its getting better but getting one 'random easy miss' sets me off from this relaxed state and I go back to my old tense style. Its really really hard to maintain this relaxed state but when I get there I can easily FC / improve my acc on songs I've panic mashed through to maintain combo. Now all thats left is to figure out how to go from being relaxed 10% of the time to 100% and i'll be good I think.
So to anyone else who has choking problems just FORCE your hands to be 100% loose, its really fucking hard but I havent found any other way. Also never ever ever ever look at your acc / combo during breaks, at least for me its a guaranteed fail shortly after the break
Would you recommend easy mod to practice reading in general or is it just a waste of time at my level (rank 30K-ish, playing 4-star maps)?
Just dont stop playing AR8 along with 9 (and maybe play some insane AR7 maps once in a while) and you'll be fine.yoyomster wrote:
Would you recommend easy mod to practice reading in general or is it just a waste of time at my level (rank 30K-ish, playing 4-star maps)?
Give me some tips how to raise it, senpai!GoldenWolf wrote:
you lack something called "stamina"iLoveYordles wrote:
Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Just play "long stream practice beatmaps", like this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/72474 or https://osu.ppy.sh/s/76465LookEassu wrote:
Give me some tips how to raise it, senpai!
Well, i tried, even i were lazy to read all the texts
I think i can't get better anymore so i decided to play not for rank.
Si no mejoran , es porque son malos , jueguen el Tetris o al Pacman. :v
thats how to get betterKondzio2k wrote:
I think i can't get better anymore so i decided to play not for rank.
just playing
I'm not like the othersApink Chorong wrote:
thats how to get betterKondzio2k wrote:
I think i can't get better anymore so i decided to play not for rank.
just playing
i just can't improve myself
When i started to play with hidden it changed the way i'm playing! And i dont know if its good or not.
1)Before i played in such way: wait for when its time to press note then move cursor and press the button. So it was like wait-move-press -> wait-move-press ->... But now i'm moving cursor and then wait (move-wait-press -> move-wait-press ->...)
2)Before i was focusing on the next note to press while trying to read all next notes that appears on the screen. But now i focus on last appeared note while trying to follow remembered pattern.
What do you think?
1)Before i played in such way: wait for when its time to press note then move cursor and press the button. So it was like wait-move-press -> wait-move-press ->... But now i'm moving cursor and then wait (move-wait-press -> move-wait-press ->...)
2)Before i was focusing on the next note to press while trying to read all next notes that appears on the screen. But now i focus on last appeared note while trying to follow remembered pattern.
What do you think?
Thank God I learned how to snap
Have ScarletStory deleted his account because when I try to look at it I just got 404 error. Anyone knows?
After reading this with focus (or at least trying to) I understood everything else than this "snapping". What this actually means?sukiNathan wrote:
Thank God I learned how to snap
Also, it's seems it more like an insult to new players instead of advises
Of course, playing with a stick doesn't give you advantage compared to a small box that you move continuously for minutes
In my words and as simple as possible, it's getting to a note and stopping on it in order to make sure you hit it. It's most prevalent with mouse users.Therieri wrote:
After reading this with focus (or at least trying to) I understood everything else than this "snapping". What this actually means?
So lets say there's a huge jump from o1--------o2------------o3
You'd hit o1, then "snap" to o2, stopping on it to hit it, then "snap" to o3.
It's kinda hard to notice with tablet as there's less stability but it still can be done.
Please someone better than me correct me if I'm horribly wrong.
Aah! So thing what he tries to say in that "guide" is that you shouldn't ever stop from moving between hits?pola[r]is wrote:
In my words and as simple as possible, it's getting to a note and stopping on it in order to make sure you hit it. It's most prevalent with mouse users.Therieri wrote:
After reading this with focus (or at least trying to) I understood everything else than this "snapping". What this actually means?
So lets say there's a huge jump from o1--------o2------------o3
You'd hit o1, then "snap" to o2, stopping on it to hit it, then "snap" to o3.
It's kinda hard to notice with tablet as there's less stability but it still can be done.
Please someone better than me correct me if I'm horribly wrong.
Well it's sorta contradicting. I don't even "snap" to notes, yet it says to maintain your style of gameplay??
Gah...
Gah...
a common mistake people make is that they flow when doing streams
Nice Tips. It's honest and Straight to the truth!
What the fuck is "flowing"41236 wrote:
a common mistake people make is that they flow when doing streams
Spend a week playing mostly FLphonics wrote:
Its not about getting angry (yeah its frustrating but I wouldnt call it full blown anger) but about getting so ungodly nervous that I'm gonna fuck up that my aim and tapping becomes erratic, this usually leads to fucking up so its a vicious cycle of fuck uppery.
Ignore how frustrating it is at first, and try to only FL maps you can easily FC
Post here again after that
Trust me, I'm a zen monkey
Uhm... are you suggesting people snap to streams? That isn't how streams work.41236 wrote:
a common mistake people make is that they flow when doing streams
you should snap to the first note in a stream, it will make the flowing movement afterwards more on target than if you're easing into it from the direction you came from for the first few notes.
Guys, any tips to improve on mouse-only? I feel like I've hit a wall that I can't overcome no matter what.
You practice.leokiko wrote:
Guys, any tips to improve on mouse-only? I feel like I've hit a wall that I can't overcome no matter what.
And you practice more.
Same goes for tablet.
Same goes for whatever play style you use.
There, as this and about 100 other guides say, there is no insta-better trick in osu!
The wall you feel is natural and happens to us all. This guide does give some good advice on how to improve, so I suggest you read it all, which I did. And I should also throw in some of my own advice too on how I (think) I improve and how I get past this "wall"...
I have a group of about 5 maps that I can get a C or a B in if I'm lucky. Almost every day I play all 5 of them hoping to improve my score. If I don't 1-up my score, no biggy. Once I manage to get at least an A on that beatmap I remove it from the group and find another to take it's place.
When I play from the ever-changing group of songs that are a little faster than my average rate, I don't worry about accuracy or combos. I just worry about passing.
On days I don't play from my group of "slightly faster than me" beatmaps over there, I play songs that I can S or SS easily too. In fact, I sort all of my beatmaps by difficulty and skim through the 1 or 2 star section, and I check for any beatmaps I have that don't have SS, and try to SS them. This is when I worry about accuracy, combos, etc..
I tend to stay away from multiplayer, let alone worrying about other people's scores. To me, online mode is a constant reminder that there are people who are better than you (and they will happily wreck you, your score, and your confidence), and there always will be. When I actually do play on online mode, though, I NEVER play a beatmap I already own. Instead, I use this as a chance to get new beatmaps, and to see my relative skill. If I actually get a good score/place on that beatmap that I've never seen or heard of before, then clearly I'm doing good. If I did notably worse than I expected I would, then I need to practice some more. And there's always the chance that the beatmap you just played could join the "slightly faster than me" group I mentioned earlier.
Of course, not everyone does this, and you should do whatever is best for you. If this works for you, then use it.
Trying to FC songs and giving up after one miss is the worst; at least sometimes if I miss in the first ten notes, I'll not miss for the rest of the song - plus, if I give up 80% of the time in the beginning of a song, then that just means I won't have any practice for the later parts.
It takes sweat, blood, luck, and a lot of angry shouting. Then I find out that I'm one combo under true FC.SomeLoli wrote:
I can't fc insanes, I feel like I should easily...but alas it isn't to be
SomeLoli
I probably would if I spammed a little more, but i'd rather miss, lose fc and go for perfect hits then get 100s haha.Kheldragar wrote:
It takes sweat, blood, luck, and a lot of angry shouting. Then I find out that I'm one combo under true FC.SomeLoli wrote:
I can't fc insanes, I feel like I should easily...but alas it isn't to be
I see too many 100's to be bothered by them anymore.
Performance: 4.15pp (#1,004,224) #150,844Nuppette wrote:
Thanks for the advice!
Amazing.
She'll get there.Kheldragar wrote:
Performance: 4.15pp (#1,004,224) #150,844Nuppette wrote:
Thanks for the advice!
Amazing.
(I think.)
thats a great thread!
it is just about the training and the will you have
it is just about the training and the will you have
how to pp farm effectively 1 misses are frustrating ._. and i have more fun playing 4/5 star songs with nf and getting better at them then playing songs i can pass atm
One way may be playin' with nf till you pass that map, then trying passing it without nf. Other is playing easlier maps without nf from the start. No other way than just playin' harder and harderlaishiou wrote:
how to pp farm effectively 1 misses are frustrating ._. and i have more fun playing 4/5 star songs with nf and getting better at them then playing songs i can pass atm
Same here! I also think that playing harder maps with nf is fun. Even though it messes up my accuracylaishiou wrote:
how to pp farm effectively 1 misses are frustrating ._. and i have more fun playing 4/5 star songs with nf and getting better at them then playing songs i can pass atm
I'm guilty of having a bad habit of pressing: caps lock, \, shift, control, alt, escape, `, etc. every few seconds, but I've had this problem for years before Osu! I just can't stop, I just have to press one of those keys every so often or I'll go crazy!
ScarletStory wrote:
Hi everyone, first let me give you some background on myself, I like long walks on the beach, I enjoy watching the sunset... yeah enough with the BS about me.
I think I love you.
so um i did a lot of testing when i was relaxed/tired slightly with my new skin cause im now at the point where im not forcing myself to play
ar8=ez
ar9=few stupid mistakes but for the most part i can read it easily
ar10=im comboing jumps on hdhr jump training that song im blue, i can read it and i have tested with other songs but im not as consistent as i would like to be
cs4=ez
cs5.2=sometimes i can aim fine sometimes i struggle a bit
jumps=most ive kept up with is my life is a party in jump training
streams=somewhere from 150-160 while i was kind of tired and was just playing relaxed can probably do more
od=not a problem really
so now for the questions
firstly what do you think i need to work on with plans to become a hd player, hr for slow ar
is ar training further something thats important/good/bad because ik people struggle to read lower ars after is it bad if i do this?
how do i learn to read the speed to tap on random streams in songs, i havent had much experience with stream songs in general
best way to improve precision so i can consistently play at least cs 5.2 since most songs i see are cs4 and with hr if needed 5.2
any good songs? i can hv fun around 3-just 5 stars but that more so depends on the map like being able to trail behind in fallen angel from galvenize, i hit a lot of it, i keep up with the jumps even but i also have a lot of misses and need lots more practise
the simple answer would be to practise however i just want suggestions as to what the best area to work on would be ignore my rank >.> i always derp in ranked songs and cant be bothered clearing some songs with 1 or more stupid mistakes
ar8=ez
ar9=few stupid mistakes but for the most part i can read it easily
ar10=im comboing jumps on hdhr jump training that song im blue, i can read it and i have tested with other songs but im not as consistent as i would like to be
cs4=ez
cs5.2=sometimes i can aim fine sometimes i struggle a bit
jumps=most ive kept up with is my life is a party in jump training
streams=somewhere from 150-160 while i was kind of tired and was just playing relaxed can probably do more
od=not a problem really
so now for the questions
firstly what do you think i need to work on with plans to become a hd player, hr for slow ar
is ar training further something thats important/good/bad because ik people struggle to read lower ars after is it bad if i do this?
how do i learn to read the speed to tap on random streams in songs, i havent had much experience with stream songs in general
best way to improve precision so i can consistently play at least cs 5.2 since most songs i see are cs4 and with hr if needed 5.2
any good songs? i can hv fun around 3-just 5 stars but that more so depends on the map like being able to trail behind in fallen angel from galvenize, i hit a lot of it, i keep up with the jumps even but i also have a lot of misses and need lots more practise
the simple answer would be to practise however i just want suggestions as to what the best area to work on would be ignore my rank >.> i always derp in ranked songs and cant be bothered clearing some songs with 1 or more stupid mistakes
not good in english, please forgive me if make you misunderstanding.
good thread. it help me find out myself why i cant improve. im not 100% means that you all can find out the reason when reading all the box. but if you wonder that why you cant improve at osu, read it, i think it almost have answer on there, and so im find my answer. game is nothing for proud to another people or showing up that you are good!, not just in osu!, and so another game. Is a way to fun, communicate with other players. and enjoy the world of the game. Suffered by song?? why not try enjoying the song? the important thing is, dont force yourself too much to improve your skill and doing THAT you cant do with enjoying playing. the thing that i write is not 100% true, just take as sample(???sorry. JP(参考「さんこう」)).hope my friends getting well.
PS: i know have many grammar or vocab problem....please...ignore it...is embarassing....
good thread. it help me find out myself why i cant improve. im not 100% means that you all can find out the reason when reading all the box. but if you wonder that why you cant improve at osu, read it, i think it almost have answer on there, and so im find my answer. game is nothing for proud to another people or showing up that you are good!, not just in osu!, and so another game. Is a way to fun, communicate with other players. and enjoy the world of the game. Suffered by song?? why not try enjoying the song? the important thing is, dont force yourself too much to improve your skill and doing THAT you cant do with enjoying playing. the thing that i write is not 100% true, just take as sample(???sorry. JP(参考「さんこう」)).hope my friends getting well.
PS: i know have many grammar or vocab problem....please...ignore it...is embarassing....
osu! is a very challenging game both mentally and physically, and I think people forget that a lot.
I, too, have looked up ways of getting better and I realized that what I've read, I already know, because over about 4 months of playing, I already learned all of those tips, those hints, without the need of someone else telling me what to do. Being able to quickly adapt to mechanics of a game (especially this one) can be extremely hard if you don't have any experience with at least a few of the mechanics. I have a strong background if rhythm games, so adapting to osu! was relatively easy. If I were to play a game of Dota 2 right now, I'll tell you I suck balls, even if I have Gold Status on League, simply because the mechanics are different. Sure, I understand what cs and such is, but there's so many things changed, I just have to adapt.
If you're looking through the web, trying to figure out how to get better, I think you're better off by keep on playing the game, play the songs you like, play the songs that are catchy, and make it a challenge for yourself, keep it interesting. Even if you take a really long break, if you come back, you'll do fairly well and maybe even better with time.
Think if it like a RPG, you need experience to fight the bigger bosses, right? You don't need good equipment either since with +9001 stats to everything is enough to do the job.
Have fun!
Oh, and having a really nice, SIMPLE, skin would help a lot. A skin that doesn't take your eyes away from the oncoming notes but still looks nice and doesn't block the background.
I, too, have looked up ways of getting better and I realized that what I've read, I already know, because over about 4 months of playing, I already learned all of those tips, those hints, without the need of someone else telling me what to do. Being able to quickly adapt to mechanics of a game (especially this one) can be extremely hard if you don't have any experience with at least a few of the mechanics. I have a strong background if rhythm games, so adapting to osu! was relatively easy. If I were to play a game of Dota 2 right now, I'll tell you I suck balls, even if I have Gold Status on League, simply because the mechanics are different. Sure, I understand what cs and such is, but there's so many things changed, I just have to adapt.
If you're looking through the web, trying to figure out how to get better, I think you're better off by keep on playing the game, play the songs you like, play the songs that are catchy, and make it a challenge for yourself, keep it interesting. Even if you take a really long break, if you come back, you'll do fairly well and maybe even better with time.
Think if it like a RPG, you need experience to fight the bigger bosses, right? You don't need good equipment either since with +9001 stats to everything is enough to do the job.
Have fun!
Oh, and having a really nice, SIMPLE, skin would help a lot. A skin that doesn't take your eyes away from the oncoming notes but still looks nice and doesn't block the background.
Starting to play osu! because it looked cool, it has almost been a year by now. As mentioned in the OP, you can't just get better immediately, but I learned that skins, settings, and assessment of your play can change your gameplay dramatically. Starting with a mouse before I got a tablet, although its definitely a step down in skill since I got a tablet, it is certainly not impossible to have the same results (playing with a mouse or tablet doesn't matter, there is technically no better equipment).
I hit a peak/wall of skill about a month ago and after trying to understand what I was doing wrong, I never noticed that my ranks and accuracy are around the 70-85% point even though I've been experienced in playing Insane or harder songs, I haven't gotten many A's. After putting more emphasis on trying to get 300's and improving accuracy it obviously came together with maintaining combos, and eventually I was able to FC a couple insane songs and get A's on the rest of them. That was how I got past my wall. If I were to add on with some snapping advice since it kinda ties alongside accuracy, I would say play a couple Insane songs with HD on (assuming you can do Insane). A good song to practice snapping on would be REANIMATE (praise the mapper! It is genius, must be ranked now! )
Although I think that equipment won't change much of your skill, after switching to a pen tablet, it definitely improved my play. Perhaps I was just getting tired of the movements on the mouse? That and my mouse keeps disconnecting every now and then. '
What I want to find out now, is how can I fix not being able to stream in a stable manner (Not sure how else I would put it), and spinners. Although it doesn't seem to be a problem for most people, and especially since spinning with a pen would be more pleasing in hand movements to me, I cannot for the life of me get past 280-300 spin speed, and the speed of my spins changes so drastically that I actually end up missing spins on a lot of songs, or getting 100's or 50's which kinda bothers me
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I hit a peak/wall of skill about a month ago and after trying to understand what I was doing wrong, I never noticed that my ranks and accuracy are around the 70-85% point even though I've been experienced in playing Insane or harder songs, I haven't gotten many A's. After putting more emphasis on trying to get 300's and improving accuracy it obviously came together with maintaining combos, and eventually I was able to FC a couple insane songs and get A's on the rest of them. That was how I got past my wall. If I were to add on with some snapping advice since it kinda ties alongside accuracy, I would say play a couple Insane songs with HD on (assuming you can do Insane). A good song to practice snapping on would be REANIMATE (praise the mapper! It is genius, must be ranked now!
)Although I think that equipment won't change much of your skill, after switching to a pen tablet, it definitely improved my play. Perhaps I was just getting tired of the movements on the mouse? That and my mouse keeps disconnecting every now and then. '
What I want to find out now, is how can I fix not being able to stream in a stable manner (Not sure how else I would put it), and spinners. Although it doesn't seem to be a problem for most people, and especially since spinning with a pen would be more pleasing in hand movements to me, I cannot for the life of me get past 280-300 spin speed, and the speed of my spins changes so drastically that I actually end up missing spins on a lot of songs, or getting 100's or 50's which kinda bothers me
.nice post with good tips
To conclude, just play the song that you like and try harder difficulty that will challenge you.
Dont spam that difficulty if you really cant play it at the moment. Play it the next day and it might become easier.
To conclude, just play the song that you like and try harder difficulty that will challenge you.
Dont spam that difficulty if you really cant play it at the moment. Play it the next day and it might become easier.
Then i will ask you better and most difficult question. How do i exactly not control my hand manualy . Right i made few threads but i still play unsatisfied because my Accuracy can't be improved. Even if by % acc i can compete with players better than me every time i play song i don't feel SURE that i will hit next note and mostly i miss them. I can improve this feeling by taking manual control of hand.
"You can't read maps" - i surely can't ,but if i play same maps with just auto pilot i can manage to hit with 99+ acc ,but when it comes to play on tablet i just miss damn notes. I play everyday with 100 plays as minimum but when it comes to precision "Sniping" i don't see any improvement for almost one year.
I don't have constant feeling of hitting notes. One note i swing my hand too much another i don't even manage to snipe the center. <- this happens when i try just to play with relaxed hand. When i play with manual. My muscles are "clamped".
"focus on notes" - yeah i focus on notes but constant miss makes me pissed off (don't think bout hand control)
Simply i move my and consciously there is no way i can relax hand and play based on "muscle memory"
unstable rate mostly sit 120-150 range
"You can't read maps" - i surely can't ,but if i play same maps with just auto pilot i can manage to hit with 99+ acc ,but when it comes to play on tablet i just miss damn notes. I play everyday with 100 plays as minimum but when it comes to precision "Sniping" i don't see any improvement for almost one year.
I don't have constant feeling of hitting notes. One note i swing my hand too much another i don't even manage to snipe the center. <- this happens when i try just to play with relaxed hand. When i play with manual. My muscles are "clamped".
"focus on notes" - yeah i focus on notes but constant miss makes me pissed off (don't think bout hand control)
Simply i move my and consciously there is no way i can relax hand and play based on "muscle memory"
unstable rate mostly sit 120-150 range
havoc7777
GinKitsune wrote:
This gaimu is hard.Scrub tier forever lol
GinKitsune wrote:
This gaimu is hard.Scrub tier forever lol
game is hard D:
ZenithPhantasm
Play AR11 and AR10.3 will look slow and ezpz-SnowShadow- wrote:
What about AR10.33? How can I improve myself in reading high approach rate? And not just "play more". I want to read any AR regardless of the situation. For example, play AR10.33 without any problems after long playing of AR8
You have to literally play everything a lot. Don't AR 10.33 for a month straight then go back to AR9 and find you can't read it. Play everything all the time.-SnowShadow- wrote:
What about AR10.33? How can I improve myself in reading high approach rate? And not just "play more". I want to read any AR regardless of the situation. For example, play AR10.33 without any problems after long playing of AR8
The editor is your friend. Change the ars of your favorite maps/practice maps to something just slightly above what you're comfortable with, get used to that and then hitch it up again. Keep doing this and one day you will do the ar 10.33 8-]-SnowShadow- wrote:
What about AR10.33? How can I improve myself in reading high approach rate? And not just "play more". I want to read any AR regardless of the situation. For example, play AR10.33 without any problems after long playing of AR8
;_; whyu not[ Momiji ] wrote:
noKeru_kun wrote:
OD 10 + AR 10 = Better aim
Playing harder maps = better aim