what you really need is the osu! tablet
sorry to digress but what keys do you tap with?-[Koinuri] wrote:
Ring + index full alternate playstyle here, I'm probably the only person who plays like this
I can one up you-[Koinuri] wrote:
Ring + index full alternate playstyle here, I'm probably the only person who plays like this
vidwinber1 wrote:
i mean that's cool and all that you guys can use your fingers well, but i personally play with my two buttocks
That's not fair at all, that means if you can't stream 200 bpm with your cheeks, all you need is a few hours on the Stairmaster and BAM, you're Cookiezi.winber1 wrote:
i mean that's cool and all that you guys can use your fingers well, but i personally play with my two buttocks
you're not the first or the last or the second person to use that playstyle-[Koinuri] wrote:
Ring + index full alternate playstyle here, I'm probably the only person who plays like this
Since you seem to have similar problem as me (I'm still stuck at 190BPM stream and 210BPM singletapping as well), you can try switching to full alternate to compensate for the lack of speed. It takes a while to get used to it but it was worth it imo.
Then you can fill your top performance with no mod jump maps, because that's basically the only thing you can improve, and look cool.
I thought I made it obvious that my whole post was just joking around especially with the last sentencebuny wrote:
you're not the first or the last or the second person to use that playstyle-[Koinuri] wrote:
Ring + index full alternate playstyle here, I'm probably the only person who plays like this
Since you seem to have similar problem as me (I'm still stuck at 190BPM stream and 210BPM singletapping as well), you can try switching to full alternate to compensate for the lack of speed. It takes a while to get used to it but it was worth it imo.
Then you can fill your top performance with no mod jump maps, because that's basically the only thing you can improve, and look cool.
and you're not the forth of fifth
They don't share tendons. But they don't have their own extensor muscles like the index finger and pinky do. Try to make a fist with your hand, and then fully extend your middle/ring finger. When you do it normally, neighboring fingers will have to extend too. If you do it and hold down all your other fingers, then you might feel pain in other fingers - it might be because you're simultaneously pulling on their tendons. The middle finger seems to, obviously, do a little better.KukiMonster wrote:
This is probably one of the most difficult ways to tap since ring/middle share the same tendon, it will be difficult to build stamina.
I have no problem using ring/index, but I certainly faced stamina issues when trying out ring/middle.
as a pen spinner of several years, I can actually do this without holding my other fingers down, although doing it FULLY hurts a bit.[ Momiji ] wrote:
They don't share tendons. But they don't have their own extensor muscles like the index finger and pinky do. Try to make a fist with your hand, and then fully extend your middle/ring finger. When you do it normally, neighboring fingers will have to extend too. If you do it and hold down all your other fingers, then you might feel pain in other fingers - it might be because you're simultaneously pulling on their tendons. The middle finger seems to, obviously, do a little better.KukiMonster wrote:
This is probably one of the most difficult ways to tap since ring/middle share the same tendon, it will be difficult to build stamina.
I have no problem using ring/index, but I certainly faced stamina issues when trying out ring/middle.
What does it prove? / what am I trying to prove?
That combined movement of the middle finger and ring finger is both physically and mentally difficult and might be detrimental to your streaming ability.
OP, you got out of your habit once - you can do it again. The decision is yours.
Oh, that's a really good post and point. Never thought about it that way. Use the fingers that have separate flexors/extensors (although the extonsors are less important). As far as I can tell index+ring works and index+middle works but the ring+middle have very connected flexors and extensors, so it's a bad playstyle.Momiji wrote:
They don't share tendons. But they don't have their own extensor muscles like the index finger and pinky do. Try to make a fist with your hand, and then fully extend your middle/ring finger. When you do it normally, neighboring fingers will have to extend too. If you do it and hold down all your other fingers, then you might feel pain in other fingers - it might be because you're simultaneously pulling on their tendons. The middle finger seems to, obviously, do a little better.KukiMonster wrote:
This is probably one of the most difficult ways to tap since ring/middle share the same tendon, it will be difficult to build stamina.
I have no problem using ring/index, but I certainly faced stamina issues when trying out ring/middle.
What does it prove? / what am I trying to prove?
That combined movement of the middle finger and ring finger is both physically and mentally difficult and might be detrimental to your streaming ability.
OP, you got out of your habit once - you can do it again. The decision is yours.
lol didn't notice. I don't mind necroposts, though.Momiji wrote:
i love when a 3 year necro starts with "idk"
well, 3 years minus 17 days.
also congrats on noticing the most secret thing in osu, the least known thing in osu. i think it was riince who first theorized that blacks are better for stamina because they shift the balance towards more flexion force required, less extension force required.Mio Winter wrote:
Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, I never get tired in my flexors while streaming. I assume the flexors are way stronger than the extensors, so only training strength and stamina for the extensors matter.
Ooooo! That's an awesome theory. Can't possibly be right. I want to buy black switches just to test it. But I tested my tapping speed with Blue (50g actuation force) vs. Clear (35g actuation force) switches, and it was better with the clear ones. Also tested Blue vs. dome switches on my laptop, and dome switches won in terms of speed. I'm also assuming that tapping speed is directly related to stamina, so a measure of speed measures stamina just as well. But now I wonder why that is, because riince's hypothesis makes a lot of sense... OoMomiji wrote:
I'M SO HAPPY TO STILL BE HERE and not dedalso congrats on noticing the most secret thing in osu, the least known thing in osu. i think it was riince who first theorized that blacks are better for stamina because they shift the balance towards more flexion force required, less extension force required.Mio Winter wrote:
Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, I never get tired in my flexors while streaming. I assume the flexors are way stronger than the extensors, so only training strength and stamina for the extensors matter.
Mio Winter wrote:
Ooooo! That's an awesome theory. Can't possibly be right. I want to buy black switches just to test it. But I tested my tapping speed with Blue (50g actuation force) vs. Clear (35g actuation force) switches, and it was better with the clear ones. Also tested Blue vs. dome switches on my laptop, and dome switches won in terms of speed. I'm also assuming that tapping speed is directly related to stamina, so a measure of speed measures stamina just as well. But now I wonder why that is, because riince's hypothesis makes a lot of sense... Oo
Edit: The Blue switches I tested were tactile, not linear, meaning I had to lift my fingers up further than with the Clear linear or the dome switches. When I'm tapping my fastest, I don't lift my fingers up very much. I definitely want to try Black linear switches.
Edit2: And that isn't the most secret thing in osu!. The most secret thing in osu! is[ERROR 403]
Were those red and black switches linear or tactile?xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
and personally ive used both reds and blacks and find i can go longer with the blacks. The muscles that lift your fingers back up are more vulnerable to fatigue than the ones that push the keys down. Unless you're pressing the keys very hard which isn't really possible unless the streams are extremely low bpm, like 130-150 or smthn.
If the keys are helping push your fingers back up as blacks do, that can reduce the work the weaker set of muscles has to do enough to increase your stamina. When streaming properly i.e not bottoming out hard, while using light keys like reds, the amount of work your flexion and extension muscles have to do is very similar but ones that lift are a lot weaker.
reds and blacks are both linear. They feel exactly the same except for the force it takes to actuate them.Mio Winter wrote:
Were those red and black switches linear or tactile?
(Also, wowstamina)
So if you can go no longer on Blacks than you can on Reds, then either that's because the difference is small enough to not be visible given your level of stamina (did you measure speed?), or because there's a sufficiency effect--where 45g actuation force (Red switches) is sufficient for resetting your fingers fast enough, and more force makes no difference.xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
reds and blacks are both linear. They feel exactly the same except for the force it takes to actuate them.Mio Winter wrote:
Were those red and black switches linear or tactile?
(Also, wowstamina)