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Madoka Magica Mafia - The Cycle Continues

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Drezi
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Drezi

Sakura wrote:

Drezi wrote:

And no, even that's invalid, I've just replaced in.. I've read everything in one go, even if I missed something you can't really say that it was intentional, or selective attention.
Wait what. The previous argument was already good enough, why did you feel the need to throw this in as in an "Excuse me"
Win-more. Since that's a valid point too. Itit isn't really an "excuse me", because I did not make the mistake described, it's just for an "even if I had.." scenario.

As for beeboy, that's the problem I described, what you find scummy, I also find scummy, but I also can see it as his town play...

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

I know you will all scum read me for this
Already gets ready for possible incoming heat on him. - or just typical lack of confidence

beeboy123 wrote:

as it involves ending discussion early
Why would you even. - hammered CTh early in medical mafia for no fucking reason as town so I don't even want to know..

beeboy123 wrote:

but I think we should just lynch Sakura in the next 24 hours or less and continue discussion after the night phase.
Basically wants me dead before i can read over what's going on and dispel the mist that scum has spread. - or just afraid that a good scum player will talk her way out of the lynch
I agree with everything that is against beeboy, and I wouldn't really mind him being lynched off, but I already said why I'd prefer Sona. Sakura, you did not include an analysis of him and not much before this either, I'd like to see that, and what you think about lnyching him instead. I totally don't feel good following through with the lynch suggestion of my (previous) biggest scumread. You ARE looking town now, but still there's the read I've established before (including the parts right after your replacement), and I can see you pulling off this gradual change as scum.. I'm also scumreading SNB and you put him null-town, I'd like some comments on that too.
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Navizel wrote:

But Dake, I already claimed that I am a mod.

NoHitter wrote:

Clarification on wtf characters: Characters who you don't expect to be scum, are scum, etc. inb4 Kyubey is here and is actually town-sided.
:DDDD
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Drezi
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Drezi
I see in the last read post you agreed with something SNB said, but that was just a comment basically mocking someone, even if I agree with it, I wouldn't take that as a town-tell. Also where you quoted something from SNB with "probs" town, I see that as null, so I'd rather like to see what you think about the stuff that pinged me about him.
Sakura
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There's not much to be analyzed from Sona because he's done near Zero this game, when i read his posts i just read trolling, AtE, and what not, but he played like that last game so... im unsure on him to put him as full scum like beeboy.
Last game i played with beeboy he did nothing, here he feels desperate to kill a lurker, and then since i replaced in he hasn't even tried to re-adjust, he just keeps pushing.
Sakura
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Drezi wrote:

I see in the last read post you agreed with something SNB said, but that was just a comment basically mocking someone, even if I agree with it, I wouldn't take that as a town-tell. Also where you quoted something from SNB with "probs" town, I see that as null, so I'd rather like to see what you think about the stuff that pinged me about him.
Some of his points ping me, others make me think he's town, It's probably difference in opinion if you're gonna be around in like half an hour, 1 hour i can talk with you about SNB, currently i wanna play some orange juice with some friends.
NoHitter
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... I can't read the walls anymore ;_;

@Sakura: Can you explain your IIoA read over me? Which posts have I gone for information over analysis?

Also, why are people reading Frostings as town again? Can someone give me a consice summary?

Vote: beeboy123 (he's at L-2 now)
I would still prefer a Frostings lynch (though beeboy is also a scum read), but atm that possibility has dismantled. I'm not going to let a null-town read of mine get lynched over a scum read.

@beeboy: If you are town, you shouldn't be afraid of L-2 or L-1 at all. It's at that point, we can see more interactions between people. Any attempts at lolhammers and parroting for the sake of lynching will look scummy anyway.
Sakura
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NoHitter wrote:

@Sakura: Can you explain your IIoA read over me? Which posts have I gone for information over analysis?
Your first posts in the game you argue with setsuen about walls, then when you come back you talk about why flavor is pointless to determine scum. Both of these are theory rather than analysis.

NoHitter wrote:

Also, why are people reading Frostings as town again? Can someone give me a consice summary?
I have a theory, but i don't wanna get into it too much, some of his posts sound genuine tho, others idk what to make of em...

@Drezi: Are you around? I wanna discuss SNB now that im done with that orange juice game.
beeboy123
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Can you explain? I can't see both you and Frostling being scum or both being town so I would be fine with a frostling lynch. (Inb4 I am scum cause I want to lynch everyone) Honestly I don't think you care about my opinion about you but I'd rather you explain.
beeboy123
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Can't make a wall today as well I will check thread every little while to answer questions until I go to sleep as deadline is close.
beeboy123
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In GIF bastard I was active before I died d-1 lynch (for doing exactly what I am doing), in your mini normal I had a plan so I wasn't as active and Setsuen's U-Pick solved itself so I couldn't be active and those where the last 3 games I played to determine my activity.
Sakura
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I was thinking about Dake's bastard but ok.
The info I have (or at least i think i have) is info that can only benefit scum atm, that's why i dont want to go into it D1.
beeboy123
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Dake bastard was a train wreck and I have attempted to improved from that game
Sakura
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Anyway imma go over Drezi's points again since i guess he's not around to talk.
beeboy123
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I mean my play not the game itself
Sakura
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Drezi wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

But don't mind me voting you soon if that's how it is.
Doesn't this attitude look a tad unnatural, announcing intent to place a second vote? null-scum
Could be... from my PoV it looked more like announcing that they are scumreading them.

Drezi wrote:

Hell I'd sooner Lynch SNB, like seriously I sooo don't like this post:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

We still have quite a lot time for analyzing, but... wait. There's a train already going on? Don't leave me out, guys!
Vote: Frostings
Yeah this is totally subjective, but the way he just jumped on the wagon and phrased this, and posted only fluff since then just pushed my null-scum read further.
This reminds me of this post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6150525 Where I joined a flash wagon for reactions with a lolz reason.
Null to me.

Is there anything else? Most of SNB's posts that happened when he started contributing felt more like genuine to me, his initial posts were all null imo.
Or maybe im being biased because I had a scumread on Frosty and he was baselessly pushing SNB...
Drezi
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I'm here. Frostings hasn't really been pushing SNB, I mean he's been placing Hands of Suspicions on him all the time in Medical too. Just fluff.
Sakura
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beeboy123 wrote:

Dake bastard was a train wreck and I have attempted to improved from that game
Strawmanning my arguments because you're stuck into scumreading my slot just because of a gambit my predecessor did isn't the way to go towards things, which seems like a scum excuse to continue pushing without care, and your play overall has been very scummy from my PoV.
If you're town gun to your head, assume i'm town, who's scum.
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Drezi wrote:

I'm here. Frostings hasn't really been pushing SNB, I mean he's been placing Hands of Suspicions on him all the time in Medical too. Just fluff.
Tbh he started by voting SNB for no reason, to which i thought was an RVS vote, he kept pushing that for like forever until he eventually moved to Sona, because of a policy lynch. My issue with him is that other than pushing Sona and repeteadly stating he had a FoS on SNB he did nothing else, until he had the gigantic wagon on him to which he finally started contributing.
There's other stuff i picked up while he was replying to Setsuen and it's pointed in one of my catch up walls, but as i said to beeboy i wont go into that D1, and its pretty much the only thing preventing me from wanting him dead atm. You may have noticed in the earlier posts i said they were both probably not on the same team, that's because of his constant push on SNB/Sona which didnt look like scum busing to me.

SNB lurked a lot at the start, then started contributing, then went to herp derp again, then contributing again, i'm not really sure but he's in the null-town to me atm for such reasons.
Sakura
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Also i'd like to know any other reads you have aside from me, beeboy and SNB.
Drezi
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).
I did not like this either, it's like he wanted us to turn on each other by suggesting that if one is town the other is scum.. And the
"watch me get lynched next because of this" coming from SNB is not the same as it coming from beeboy.
Sakura
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Drezi wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).
I did not like this either, it's like he wanted us to turn on each other by suggesting that if one is town the other is scum.. And the
"watch me get lynched next because of this" coming from SNB is not the same as it coming from beeboy.
I had a feeling he expressed Paranoia in that post, how often has SNB played forum mafia anyway, I had a feeling this was the first game where he hasn't been silenced since he kept getting silenced and unable to play on the previous games.

Do you think he'd be scum that's lining up lynches?
beeboy123
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sonatora is scummy
Lynching frost would help me get an idea about you
RB's play feels unnatural
Navi is useless

Those are my alternate choices

Regarding the coincidental FoS on Navi you pointed out I already had a scum read on him which I announced in my first read list.
Birdy
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FYI this is like the 5th or 6th game already where I haven't been silenced. I've played on the Finnish subforum too, twice or thrice, after all :<

Keep going, though, this is interesting.
Drezi
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Well the reads I haven't commented on haven't really changed. RB is back to a nullish territory, Dake a is bit stronger townread now, mainly because of his attitude towards your case.
Sakura
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Well, anything I say is going to be coincidential with something If i come late into the game.
In either case I was just going over Frosty's earlier games because I had a feeling he was being more aggresive and angry here than in the other games, but then I compare his early posts with his early posts on other games they are very similar (with that joyful feeling) and when he was getting lynched here i suppose he had some disgust and decided to get more serious, which is a town trait. My guess is that Frosty is more likely town due to that.

SNB I could buy if i'm wrong about my current scumreads because I do have a feeling that i'm wrong about at least one of my townreads, but i'd rather sort that another day after some flips.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

FYI this is like the 5th or 6th game already where I haven't been silenced. I've played on the Finnish subforum too, twice or thrice, after all :<

Keep going, though, this is interesting.
Wel this is interesting, how many times have you rolled scum in the past?
Sakura
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Drezi wrote:

Dake a is bit stronger townread now, mainly because of his attitude towards your case.
I agree, That paranoia is hard to fake.
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beeboy123 wrote:

Lynching frost would help me get an idea about you
Why would you lynch frosty to get an idea about me instead of just simply reading me?
Sakura
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Like for srs, at this point idk if you just want to lynch whatever or what.
Drezi
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Sakura wrote:

I had a feeling he expressed Paranoia in that post, how often has SNB played forum mafia anyway, I had a feeling this was the first game where he hasn't been silenced since he kept getting silenced and unable to play on the previous games.

Do you think he'd be scum that's lining up lynches?
Well not sure what lining up lynches means here, but saying stuff like that is good for scum, since with a stance like that he can just join/push the lynch of either of us and still be right when one flips town.
Sakura
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Lining up lynches is something like

If X flips town then Y is scum.
>Ppl lynch X
>X flips town
Ok so let's lynch Y
>Y flips town

2 townies lynched ooops?!
Sakura
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Also i misread the post, I thought he was saying that if one of you flips town the other is scum, It felt like paranoia at the time to me tho.
beeboy123
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I am 99% sure the 2 of you aren't on the same team that is all, I think both of you are scum around equally but TN is why I am pressuring you and not frosting. Although I actually am starting to reconsider as I feel like your questions are being asked in a way to see if I am town or scum not just purely scum painting me.
beeboy123
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You can both be town just not both be scum
Birdy
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Sakura wrote:

Wel this is interesting, how many times have you rolled scum in the past?
Once IIRC.
Sakura
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Wel this is interesting, how many times have you rolled scum in the past?
Once IIRC.
I said game in english or in finnish?
Sakura
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EBWODP: Is said game*
beeboy123
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What is strawmaning?
Sakura
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beeboy123 wrote:

What is strawmaning?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Straw_Man
Sakura
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One example of you strawmanning me, is when you took the part about "Reading the vote count" and decided to blow it out of proportions to nullify everything else.
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Sakura wrote:

Is said game in english or in finnish?
English.
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Is said game in english or in finnish?
English.
Can you link it?
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Also if you have 1 or 2 english games where you're town it would be nice to link too. I'm gonna run a meta dive when I wake up tomorrow.
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More like today since it's 4 am, lol.
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Current theory:
SNB has quite some games that he has played in as town (since 1/5 or 1/6 games as scum means that he has about 4-5 games as town) to have that level of paranoia, depending on the tonality and how skilled his scum play is, i'll check whether he's capable of faking that paranoia and if his tonality comes from town or not.
Sakura
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Also I'm going to sleep now. See ya all later.
Birdy
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t/210381

Turns out this is the only English game where I was a townsperson where I wasn't muted (so that'd make 4 games as town, 1 as scum, 2 where I was muted and then this one), unless I missed some other game. I played really badly there though orz.
Drezi
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Wah, that was my first game -.-'
Raging Bull
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What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?

Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.

and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
Setsuen
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Raging Bull wrote:

What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?

Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.

and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
beeboy's post are generally null,null-scum and..... scum. There's hardly anything to indicate that he's town seriously.
Zero theories, fine. Zero list of people you want to lynch? Are u srsly town beeboy?

Also town, now would be the time to look for people who started to post LESSER and LESSER by lesser, I mean a lot. bc I get the feeling that scums are getting TIRED of keeping up with their activity and are resorting to lurking/heavy post padding in the hopes that they will avoid suspicion until N1 where they can "recuperate" their strength by grouping up and planning how they will "act town"
Birdy
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Such a challenge to read wow.
Raging Bull
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looool oh shit. guess I got mad that navizel didn't answer that I completely forgot to check if you answered.

Why aren't you voting your scum reads then nor pushing them?
Birdy
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Because I'm dumb as fuck idk.

Vote: beeboy
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I'll reread posts again when I can use our computer.
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Raging Bull wrote:

What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?

Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.

and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
p/3387479/ <- This was my initial case on him.

p/3390269 <- look at some of the things I comment on wrt beeboy's posts.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Because I'm dumb as fuck idk.

Vote: beeboy
You know people usually declare intent to hammer before hammering.
Sakura
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Also i'm reading through that game now
@Anyone who also played in that game: Since first hand meta is better than second hand meta, do you guys see any differences/similarities in SNB's play from there to here?
Birdy
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Sakura wrote:

You know people usually declare intent to hammer before hammering.
Wait, what.
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot - Aside from voting me for no reason on the very first post, no suspicions. Yet.
NoHitter - Haven't paid attention yet. Yet.
BRBP - Plays extreme-town, therefore might be anything.
Gumica - Nothing.
rEdo - Nothing here either.
fartownik - Suspicious claim (not referring to the mafia one btw) and a stupid damn question. Would suspect for both reasons.
DakeDekaane - Scumslipping for lols because nobody takes him seriously anyway. Would suspect.
Drezi - Hides in the shadows. Another "could be anything" case, at the moment.
Bold is mine from p/3152388
@Drezi: Look at these stances and see if they look similar to his stances on the post you linked.

-Continues Reading-
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It's only L-1 isn't it?

I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.
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Drezi wrote:

It's only L-1 isn't it?

I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.
Hmm ok.

And yeah it's only L-1, I was hoping to get some reactions from people that weren't paying attention and probably beeboy himself :(
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Damn usually I don't ruin such ploys when I notice them, didn't realize it here -_-
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Anyway yeah, I thought SNB was pretty new so I was giving him a pass, but in that game he's contributing and making substance posts.
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Unvote
let me read over everything
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I'm going to go ahead and say it, I still think beeboy lynch is kinda bad. He still pings me as an unconfident town rather than any form of scum

Setsuen wrote:

I am tot scum with Sakura and it's town fault for not lynching tn5421 b4 Sakura replaced in. Oh noes i just outed it.
I knew it :)



Also I still don't like Sakura's approach to this game. Saying you're starting from the beginning of the game and commenting on (and even voting people on) what was relevant 4-5 days ago doesn't help us.

To me, it seems more of a ploy to vote someone, observe town reactions, and quickly unvote them using "Oh I read further into the game now" as an excuse.

For example you "scumread" me and Drezi who was attacking tn with your first post, to observe how the towns of both wagons would react. Once Drezi and beeboy became suspicious, you "kept reading" and started focusing your attention to other people to make yourself look less suspicious

Although I admit your most recent posts look really town, that's probably what it takes to get out of the image tn made for himself
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@Sakura: what's your take on Sonatora?
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On phone not ipad so my post quality will suck.

And setsuen i think i am posting informational content even if none of you agree with it. Also a lot people in this game literaly not posting content, not lurking. (maybe snb is) this post took a while to make so content will be slow
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Frostings wrote:

@Sakura: what's your take on Sonatora?
Null-Scum, would lynch.
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Sakura wrote:

One example of you strawmanning me, is when you took the part about "Reading the vote count" and decided to blow it out of proportions to nullify everything else.

Red junk!!!!!
Red junk!!!!!
D

Your claim revolved around only readibg the D for drezi which is impossible. Now my understanding is you looked at the vote count and due to the convo with drezi it is not that drezi's vote stood out it is that it is what you remembered.
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Considering that the voters on me were in red text it's really easy to block out the red color and focus on the rest, either way that argument's old.
In either case, your argument on it seemed like you wanted to strawman me.
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Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.
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Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old
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Drezi wrote:

Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.

Well over 1 day someone should get cbot
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Drezi wrote:

Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.
Me too.

beeboy123 wrote:

Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old
What doesnt add up? I did say back then that I expected Drezi to be voting me, he explained that he was still spiritually voting me, and when i read over the thread it made sense to me.
And the argument is old because regardless of whether what you say about me reading the vote count is true, or false, it's just your paranoia about coincidential scumreads. Also for your argument to be correct it needs to assume that.
1) The people pushing me would've had done something scummy for me to push them in a believable way.
2) If 1 is true, then why is it out of the question that I would also have gotten a scumread on them?
3) That I was checking the vote count to see who to scumread during my readthrough.

Now, also you need to question:
1) If i were scum, why would I even bother making all those posts I made instead of just lazying it out until my inevitable demise that tn left the slot in.
2) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.
3) If i were scum, why would I even bother making a point about not reading the people voting me and continue to argue it when, I could just simply try to argue that I do know who was voting me but it was entirely coincidential.
4) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.

This is why you look for motivation behind what's happening, and look at it from both PoVs to try to understand if it's alignment indicative or a playstyle thing, a.k.a if it makes sense for me to do it as scum or town or i'm just doing because i'm Sakura and is not alignment indicative.

Now look at it at how i saw it from my perspective, Assume I'm town, and look at your argument about "Making up the fact that I was catching up" and look at my Catch-22 counter, as in:
1) If I say im reading through i'm lying about it.
2) if I say im not reading through that's not a pro-town action.
From my PoV it looks like an obvious way to set it up so you can scumread me no matter which way I answer, which is why it's called Catch-22 and it's scummy in nature.
Drezi
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Drezi
Who do think should be lynched today instead of you, other than Sakura, cause it's pretty evident that it's not an option as things stand right now..
Sakura
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Sakura
inb4 beeboy starts going "Modkill Sona plz" or something
Navizel
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Navizel

Sakura wrote:

Navizel wrote:

basically I'm thinking of Sonatora + beeboy scumteam. I'm fine with PL Sonatora but I'm better with lynching a conf-scum.
So you're saying beeboy's conf scum? If so where's your vote?
iirc, most of the votes that time are on Frostings/tn5421 and tn5421 and tn was in my scumread so I thought it's better to lynch the one with more votes than the one with zero. Now that some voted beeboy and my read on your slot became town, I switched my vote on my original scumread.

beeboy123 wrote:

Honestly a lot of people aren't posting which isn't fun, town is probably going to continue to sheep Sakura for the rest of the game and me flipping town probably won't change anything. But if I can't make a post today can you wait for me to make a post before sealing my fate by putting me at L-1 or L-2? I will be at my grandparents tomorrow so I can probably be active on mobile but I can't quote things so beware of unreadable posts

beeboy123 wrote:

Can you explain? I can't see both you and Frostling being scum or both being town so I would be fine with a frostling lynch. (Inb4 I am scum cause I want to lynch everyone) Honestly I don't think you care about my opinion about you but I'd rather you explain.
am I the only one who is bothered by these. trying too hard to look town to others even though the second one is sarcastic

beeboy123 wrote:

Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old
another one
Sakura
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wrt to your beeboy's points.
1) The first underline, i've been enphasizing me getting a town role PM too, why is beeboy more suspicious for it than me?
2) The 2nd underline, It's bothered me too.
3) Not sure what to think of the 3rd underline
Drezi
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Drezi

Sakura wrote:

1) If i were scum, why would I even bother making all those posts I made instead of just lazying it out until my inevitable demise that tn left the slot in.
2) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.
3) If i were scum, why would I even bother making a point about not reading the people voting me and continue to argue it when, I could just simply try to argue that I do know who was voting me but it was entirely coincidential.
4) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.
You want to survive as both scum and town, so both cases are equially likely coming from scum or town.

The moment you say "why would I do this as scum" it becomes apparent that you're aware of the matter yourself, and would have played with that in mind as scum, so it becomes a null tell.
Sakura
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Why do you reply to my questions to beeboy before beeboy does :(
Sakura
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Like srsly first i make a gambit to test beeboy's reactions and you screwed it up, and now i ask him some questions to see if he's thinking like town or scum and you answered them before he had a chance to make some alignment indicative replies >.<
Amianki
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Vote Count 1.14

[6] beeboy123 -- Setsuen, Navizel, Sakura, DakeDekaane, NoHitter, Static Noise Bird (L-1)
[2] Frostings -- Raging Bull, Sonatora
[2] Sakura -- beeboy123, Drezi
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Raging Bull --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Frostings, Gumica, Static Noise Bird
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, September 22nd at 6:00 AM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly less than 17 hours from now.

Sonatora has been prodded.
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Navizel
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Sakura wrote:

wrt to your beeboy's points.
1) The first underline, i've been enphasizing me getting a town role PM too, why is beeboy more suspicious for it than me?
2) The 2nd underline, It's bothered me too.
3) Not sure what to think of the 3rd underline
I guess it's because you only said that once..or no? i can't remember. Also, more info in your posts than him.
Sakura
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That's not what I meant, but i have been doing so as well and if you're townreading me then it should be either a towny or at worst a null kind of statement for you.
Drezi
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Drezi
Stop right there, it was not even a question, but an explanation post, and you seem to forget that you're not a conftown leading an investigation but a suspect yourself, so I'll adress your questionable points.... beeboy can still react to your post, but I have a hard time believing that you seriously expected him to make an analysis of those points.....

Yeah I corrected you with the vote count, tough luck but someone was bound to say it, that's the point that your real intents are not obvious..
Sakura
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I actually was asking him to assume im town and said if it makes more or less sense, among others. Not a blank statement. And no one is conf-town, but at least you could've waited for him to reply before you started ginving him hints on how to reply to it.
Sakura
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Also that kind of attitude is going to make it pretty hard for anyone to scumhunt without you getting in the way... sigh.
Drezi
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Drezi
giving him hints, really? if anything I denied him the chance to give the good answer on his own, and now will just look like parroting if he tries to make the same point.
Sakura
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Drezi wrote:

giving him hints, really? if anything I denied him the chance to give the good answer on his own, and now will just look like parroting if he tries to make the same point.
Well i guess you're right on that, but why didn't you let him give the right answer on his own? Considering you're scumreading him too you'd also be interested in him making statements that give you a better understanding of his alignment.
Frostings
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Frostings
Hi
My controversial reads :)

TOWN
Drezi
Dake
NH
beeboy
Navizel
SNB

NULL
Setsuen
RB
Gumica

NULL-SCUM
Sakura

SCUM
Sonatora
Drezi
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Drezi
His posts don't give me a better understanding of his alignment cause he does stupid/scummy stuff as town all the time, I stopped scumreading him and accepted that he's like that, big fucking null.
beeboy123
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Drezi wrote:

Who do think should be lynched today instead of you, other than Sakura, cause it's pretty evident that it's not an option as things stand right now..
Frostling as it gives me an idea of what Sakura is or someone who is inactive to scare people into being active tomorrow
Drezi
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Drezi

Sakura wrote:

Also that kind of attitude is going to make it pretty hard for anyone to scumhunt without you getting in the way... sigh.
Yeah, better lynch me I'm so getting in the way of poor innocent towns trying to scumhunt.
Drezi
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Drezi
Vote: Drezi

PL please.
Frostings
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Frostings

beeboy123 wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Who do think should be lynched today instead of you, other than Sakura, cause it's pretty evident that it's not an option as things stand right now..
Frostling as it gives me an idea of what Sakura is or someone who is inactive to scare people into being active tomorrow
What the hell LOL
Why not lynch Sakura so you KNOW what Sakura is?
beeboy123
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beeboy123
Sakura I have a question are you asking questions so I have a chance to stay alive or because you want more info if I flip town. Because I am pretty tired of playing and making posts that will mean nothing and won't help me
Frostings
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Frostings
oh shit I didn't read the first part of Drezi's question
beeboy123
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beeboy123
The question was other than Sakura the lynch order is

Sakura > Inactive person so this game is fun tomorrow > You
Frostings
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Frostings

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura I have a question are you asking questions so I have a chance to stay alive or because you want more info if I flip town. Because I am pretty tired of playing and making posts that will mean nothing and won't help me
Pretty much this

Sakura is claiming to be scumhunting by asking questions that can't really be answered.
Any reply from beeboy is subject to interpretation, and Sakura will just scumread beeboy, regardless of whatever he replies
Drezi
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Drezi
Don't lynch beeboy I don't even think he could be scum anymore.
Frostings
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Frostings
@Sakura: beeboy is at L-1, why do you feel the need to pressure him further with questions? To me it looks like you're baiting him into posting a weak response, and using that as an excuse to get him hammered.
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