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I simply* wah it's getting annoying that I can't correct mistakes that happen after rephrasing some parts..
Ah,Raging Bull wrote:
Hey Navizel and SNB, what are your scum reads btw?
beeboy and Drezi.
- This post and the following Drezi post.
I haven't read Sakura's reason for "baseless scumread" on Drezi yet, but holy shit those posts just radiate of suspicious feels, no matter what's the case. Gang up on Sakura much? I also like Navi's townread right between the posts of beeboy and Drezi. - The posts where "Drezi is confused about beeboy"
I mean, I get the "Please stop that, don't get yourself lynched beeboy"-feel out of them.
oh and after them, this happens: - beeboy sheeping Drezi > both are scumpainting Sakura? "Arguing = Scum lols".
Sakura's slot has been my main scumread since I joined the game, come again?Static Noise Bird wrote:
Gang up on Sakura much?
You probably don't understand my frustration there because you can't read other people anyway, if you're town and this is the impression you get from that post.Static Noise Bird wrote:
[*]The posts where "Drezi is confused about beeboy"
I mean, I get the "Please stop that, don't get yourself lynched beeboy"-feel out of them.[/list]
I'd lynch beeboy out of the sheer fact that scum probably won't kill him due to the way he plays and I won't be able to read that normally either and it could get problematic later.. But since you've been my second scumread and you appear to be ok with a beeboy lynch, I'd actually prefer Sona for the same reason, should we decide to make such a lynch.
Just woke up, and Frosting's buddying up to beeboy (not surprising), anyway gonna continue catching up first I wanna comment on a few things:
- I like replying to current stuff while catching up because the current stuff is actual info that's also on the table for me to generate reads, granted if stuff that i suspect has been explained previously all you need is to say "I already explained that, when you catch up you'll see" or some sort of thing like Drezi did.
- I'm better at getting reads via interaction, my reads that I get from what i discuss with people can and will be stronger than the reads i get from my catch up due to this fact.
- If i read who's voting me, i'll see their positions on the wagon and im already going to think that the 2nd and 3rd votes (I can explain why specifically the 2nd and 3rd votes if anyone wants detailed data with statistics) have a high chance to be scum so it's better if I get a read on them first from their actual play before I check along with the reasons for voting me as they happened in real time.
I hope this answers everyone's questions, now im gonna continue reading.
- I like replying to current stuff while catching up because the current stuff is actual info that's also on the table for me to generate reads, granted if stuff that i suspect has been explained previously all you need is to say "I already explained that, when you catch up you'll see" or some sort of thing like Drezi did.
- I'm better at getting reads via interaction, my reads that I get from what i discuss with people can and will be stronger than the reads i get from my catch up due to this fact.
- If i read who's voting me, i'll see their positions on the wagon and im already going to think that the 2nd and 3rd votes (I can explain why specifically the 2nd and 3rd votes if anyone wants detailed data with statistics) have a high chance to be scum so it's better if I get a read on them first from their actual play before I check along with the reasons for voting me as they happened in real time.
I hope this answers everyone's questions, now im gonna continue reading.
Given I used to scumread tn, it's still hard for me to change my read on Sakura, though I'll give some time before blatantly say we should lynch her because tn lolclaimed scum and stuff (hi beeboy).
I have to agree Sakura brought something that caught my attention, which is beeboy not directly pushing for a lynch, but wanting people to be modkilled, Setsuen did the same yeah, but that's their usual self so yeah, he can have a pass for it.
@Sakura, I have to thank you for remember me about the flavor claim I was suggesting, as alignment isn't related to character we could hope for some counterclaimings or some flavour cop to do his job, but I think it's already a bit late for it,
Frostings with his usual slight pushing on me, which is not bad, but I feel somehow not comfy with that, it's true I haven't posted lately, but hell, we all have our reasons to drop activity a bit.
I used to have a nice townread on Drezi, but his last post is really bad:
I have to agree Sakura brought something that caught my attention, which is beeboy not directly pushing for a lynch, but wanting people to be modkilled, Setsuen did the same yeah, but that's their usual self so yeah, he can have a pass for it.
@Sakura, I have to thank you for remember me about the flavor claim I was suggesting, as alignment isn't related to character we could hope for some counterclaimings or some flavour cop to do his job, but I think it's already a bit late for it,
Frostings with his usual slight pushing on me, which is not bad, but I feel somehow not comfy with that, it's true I haven't posted lately, but hell, we all have our reasons to drop activity a bit.
I used to have a nice townread on Drezi, but his last post is really bad:
I'd lynch beeboy out of the sheer fact that scum probably won't kill him due to the way he plays and I won't be able to read that normally either and it could get problematic later.. But since you've been my second scumread and you appear to be ok with a beeboy lynch, I'd actually prefer Sona for the same reason, should we decide to make such a lynch.Why Sona over beeboy? Why don't you think SNB could be scum along with beeboy?
My flavor is always with me anyways.DakeDekaane wrote:
@Sakura, I have to thank you for remember me about the flavor claim I was suggesting, as alignment isn't related to character we could hope for some counterclaimings or some flavour cop to do his job, but I think it's already a bit late for it
Because I don't think SNB would be scumreading beeboy if they were scumbuddies, nothing overly complicated.DakeDekaane wrote:
Why Sona over beeboy? Why don't you think SNB could be scum along with beeboy?
Both of them are in the same ballpark for me, I can't make sense of their play, I can't be sure if they are just being bad or scummy, and I wouldn't like being in Lylo with them, and Sakura is scumreading beeboy too, and I don't trust her just yet. That makes me lean towards Sona out of the two.Drezi wrote:
TBH I have trouble reading Sona and beeboy, usually I try to figure why people posted what they did, but they feel too random or I don't know..
Makes sense, and tbh even if they're distancing each other I doubt both are scum, thanks for explaining.
Going on:
Oh nice Gumica has some thoughts on the game, im going to comment on each independently
I'm starting to wonder how a Scumhunter's Speed game would fare in here.
@Setsuen: How do you figure the difference between scum lurking and town lurking? I've never been able to figure that out myself and end up making bad calls because of it.
p/3372105 hahaha nice image Gumica, this made my day.
Tho then I agree with Gumica that gut reading in itself isn't enough, specially if you dont say which posts give you said gut reading, I know I gut read ppl a lot and it's for the most part accurate but my main issue is explaining where such reads come from.
So ok i'm wrong on Frosty, what's new. (Yes Frosty is town, i realize this now)
Drezi's statements check, he's really been scumreading my slot since his replace in.
Taking a small break, will continue in about an hour, read up to page 29, but im townreading Frosty now for reasons i wont explain yet because they are more beneficial to scum than town.
Once again unexplained stuffFrostings wrote:
we're... lynching you lol
or SNB obviously
Pot meets Kettle, you also self-voted and have done very little to progress the game so far.Frostings wrote:
You voted for yourself for no reason and say that I'M the one that's trolling?
For once Frostings says something that i agree with, however the tone feels like he knows Sonatora's town, or he's legit townreading him which doesnt make sense with how he wants him to get lynched.Frostings wrote:
what clusterfuck exactlySonatora wrote:
I'm not trolling there.
I really wanted to get lynched off but I have to fix this clusterfuck first
and why do you want to get lynched? Being useless for town is not a reason
You're not getting lynched because you're useless, you're useless because you're wanting to get lynched
This also applues on MS just saying.Setsuen wrote:
which btw in EpicMafia... why me = fry me.
Once I heard a tale, it was a tale about sheeps, and then there was a wolf, disguised as a sheep, are you that wolf?Sonatora wrote:
Vote: Sephibro
Lemme help ya there tn-senpai
So much this... SO FRICKEN MUCH THIS!, gut says that if SNB sees what im seeing he's probs town.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Considering Sona even more a scum now.Sonatora wrote:
Vote: Sephibro
Lemme help ya there tn-senpai
Also I seriously wonder what the fuck is Frostings doing. If it's a "gut feeling", then it's a damn terrible one.
This is getting old, why not take your rage to an osu! multiplayer room instead of making FoS that makes no sense, this isn't town play.Frostings wrote:
also I still have FoS on SNB obviously
Oh nice Gumica has some thoughts on the game, im going to comment on each independently
Gumica's thoughts at the end of Page 26
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Put them in a box tag to avoid cluttering this post more than it needs to be.He's scumhunting in his own way, not taking his votes seriously could be more harmful than beneficial, you just need to understand how he views things, i've played with tons of players on MS that i can say "dont take this player seriously" and are much worse.Gumica wrote:
- Setsuen is being retarded enough to a point where i won't take any of his votes seriously without any solid proof.
Agreed, appeasing is a thing just so you know.Gumica wrote:
- Beeboy seems the most scummy one to me atm, as he unvoted after I asked him for his vote reason (and reason is retarded/or i don't get the point) on Navi.
The way the feud between Sona and Frosty ended is awkward maybe i could buy RB's theory that it was scum theatre, SNB is being towny and that doesnt help Frosty's case.Gumica wrote:
- Sonatora is... Either trying to be a very bad troll or a pro townie. Tho self voting is... stupid and pointless imho. But I did that in several past games too, so I kinda get the point about being useless townie and self voting.
Through the wrong roof thoGumica wrote:
- Sephibro's activity level is through the roof.
Explain? Becaue so far i think he's been quite pro town.Gumica wrote:
- DD is being DD.
Which conclusions are fast in your opinion? he seems to be wanting SNB's head since the very beginning through a baseless accusation.Gumica wrote:
- Frostings seems to jump to conclusions very fast, so i'm vary of him.
50% of his posts are IIoA by this point, theory on why walling is bad + theory on flavor in mafia games, what makes you think he's being analitic?Gumica wrote:
- NH seems to be very analitic which is nice.
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Navizel probs scum but right now is a last resort for me, tn is obvtown SNB is town, there, i helped you.Gumica wrote:
Navizel hmmm....
- Tn hmmm....
- SNB hmmm...
Excuse me but 1 sentence IS scum, I agree that walls dont equal town tho. A proper analysis can't be given with one-liners and a bunch of them clutter the thread making it harder to see actual analysis.Navizel wrote:
One-sentence = scum
Walls = town
What kind of mentality is that.
I'm starting to wonder how a Scumhunter's Speed game would fare in here.
@Setsuen: How do you figure the difference between scum lurking and town lurking? I've never been able to figure that out myself and end up making bad calls because of it.
p/3372105 hahaha nice image Gumica, this made my day.
I'm pretty sure by this point Gumica's not lurking anymore and actively engaging when you were discussing with him, if he goes back to lurking again this might hold some water tho.Setsuen wrote:
Your argument is horrible and lurking is only PART of the reason why they are scum. If you can't understand that just start sheeping instead of arguing.
Tho then I agree with Gumica that gut reading in itself isn't enough, specially if you dont say which posts give you said gut reading, I know I gut read ppl a lot and it's for the most part accurate but my main issue is explaining where such reads come from.
Frostings wrote:
oh yeah thatYep, that's pretty much itSetsuen wrote:
It might be possible that he self-voted when I claimed my real role of Secret power VT so that he can "magically" make me assume that he's VT
So ok i'm wrong on Frosty, what's new. (Yes Frosty is town, i realize this now)
Drezi's statements check, he's really been scumreading my slot since his replace in.
Taking a small break, will continue in about an hour, read up to page 29, but im townreading Frosty now for reasons i wont explain yet because they are more beneficial to scum than town.
Scratch that I got dragged to watch a friend stream League of Legends >.<Sakura wrote:
Taking a small break, will continue in about an hour
Well, DD is DD. How can i explain that lol :^)Sakura wrote:
Explain? Becaue so far i think he's been quite pro town.Gumica wrote:
- DD is being DD.
He sometimes posts short posts, sometimes not. Sometimes they're amusing, sometimes not. Sometimes he feels scum, sometimes not.
Generally I can relate to him and his classy writting style. I mainly consider him null by, because my opinion of him really swings (from town to scum and vice versa) every time he posts.
@Sakura, I don't think there's a difference about how long my posts are when I'm town or scum lol (I'm just a bad player)
If you're town then you need to improve.Navizel wrote:
@Sakura, I don't think there's a difference about how long my posts are when I'm town or scum lol (I'm just a bad player)
If you're scum then you need to die.
I know you're quite a wild card and also would prefer not resorting to your lynch yet, there are other ways to sort you out anyway.
Gonna continue catching up.
Navizel reaction to my accusation to him on lurking is the same as the one in the newbie mafia where he was scum for everyone's info. I believe I stated that already but people choose to "leave it out". So typical of scums and lousy town.
I rarely get town :c
PL Navizel
I criRaging Bull wrote:
Hey Navizel and SNB, what are your scum reads btw?
@Frostings: How are you getting a townread on Navizel?
beeboy throwing a strawman at Setsuen... ok
I agree with RB wrt Gumica's annoyance feeling genuine.
Read Page 30 now, but a friend wants me to play Smite. I'll post an updated reads list later
This has been bothering me too, tbh. (Also why did it take you so long to post some sort of analysis)Navizel wrote:
Read beeboy's ISO and apparently, he's not ok with lynching someone for bad play (Sonatora's) but he's fine with killing tn because of his inactivity. I don't get the non-mods thing. Probably nonPRs?
beeboy throwing a strawman at Setsuen... ok
I agree with RB wrt Gumica's annoyance feeling genuine.
This is one of the reasons i think you might be scum.Navizel wrote:
why unvote?
looks like unvoted for activity
Read Page 30 now, but a friend wants me to play Smite. I'll post an updated reads list later
what is wrt?
With regards toRaging Bull wrote:
what is wrt?
@Drezi: Well seems like it's impossible to dismantle your case on tn if it's what im reading because it's based off tn's attitude with the game, my guess is that he was busy or something and got mad about being voted when he literally couldn't be playing the game at that point in time, from my own opinion he should've replaced out earlier if he wasn't going to have time to participate in the game. His vote on sephibro feels more like he wanting to contribute something than just sitting there doing nothing, the "Post and i'll consider removing this" looks like him trying to force sephibro to come into the game and do more stuff (ironically).
@Gumica: Actually policy lynching someone because they might hurt town if town is a valid reason to get them dead, that's the whole point of Policy Lynches to begin with, invalid reasons would be to lynch someone because they are impossible to read so you wont know if they are town or scum.
Also Policy Lynches are more meta related than anything else, because a town player playing anti-town is like scum having an extra member.
Aaand that's the last i'll comment on policy lynches, and discussing the pros/cons of Policy Lynches seems counter-productive to me at this point.
wrt RB's post: I do agree that pushing (Alignment Unknown) in favor of pushing (Scum read) isn't the best way of doing this tho.
@Page 34: Yeeep seems like it.
Hmm so Frostings wagon happened right after tn's, and looks more like flashwagon than a wagon.
Heh, reminds me of a specific game where I actually considered and proposed lynching an Innocent Child for playing anti-town.
FFS, it's like Frostings is doing everything possibe to look scummy, that strawman at RB was terrible. At this point im really wondering whether i found a soft or not...
Im not sure what to think about ppl throwing analysis out of the window and suspecting both of the ppl goinst against each other without a clear motive for scum to be doing so, which means it's more than likely that it's TvS or TvT, scum theatre looks way more pre-planned.
wrt p/3383077 So tn raises an eyebrow on sona suspiciously sheeping him and you say that they are scum buddies?
WTF is this i dont even -.-
Navizel keeps beetlejuicing.
Can i get some sort of concensus wrt to beeboy, seems like everyone has him in at least null-scum position and I don't think that Frostings should be today's lynch anymore, specially with how scaryly fast that wagon rose up...
I like Frostings scum hunting and points wrt RB lately as well.
Gonna put together all 3 posts in a single quote instead of quoting thrice...
Ok now THIS is why beeboy needs to die. I'm gonna dissect this post to the very end:
Also i love how he wrote that on rollover text so people would be too lazy to read it.
Finalized Reads List:
Town
Setsuen
Drezi
Gumica
Null-Town
SNB
Navizel
DakeDekaane
NoHitter (Too much IIoA is making me not being able to put him any higher)
WTF
Frostings (Frostings likely town because of the soft, but it's like he wants ppl to scumread him because of the WTF way he's playing)
Raging Bull (Dunno what to think, sometimes i think he's town but sometimes i think he's scum)
Null-Scum
Sonatora
Scum
beeboy
Fully Caught up now, You may feel free to throw me any questions you may have.
Wait what. The previous argument was already good enough, why did you feel the need to throw this in as in an "Excuse me"Drezi wrote:
And no, even that's invalid, I've just replaced in.. I've read everything in one go, even if I missed something you can't really say that it was intentional, or selective attention.Setsuen wrote:
They call this "SELECTIVE ATTENTION" in Psychology
So, if these are your original reasons for voting tn, what's your opinion on the slot now that i've been providing content?DakeDekaane wrote:
Keeping my vote? Yes, he didn't defend enough or convinced me to at least unvote him. I didn't vote tn for being a lurker, but for lacking content.
This looks like a shitty reasoning to not provide any info.beeboy123 wrote:
If I post my reads they would probably be torn apart the people and if I FoS any scum there play style will change making me believe they are town.
@Gumica: Actually policy lynching someone because they might hurt town if town is a valid reason to get them dead, that's the whole point of Policy Lynches to begin with, invalid reasons would be to lynch someone because they are impossible to read so you wont know if they are town or scum.
Also Policy Lynches are more meta related than anything else, because a town player playing anti-town is like scum having an extra member.
Wrong policy lynches are irrelevant of alignmebt but because they would help scum more in the long run if they are town, and if they flip scum is a bonus.NoHitter wrote:
Drezi:
Because the policy lynch doesn't make sense. It's one thing to base a pl on a possibly suspicious activity e.g. Lynch all lurker, lynch all liars, etc. but it's another to do it whether or not someone is town or scum.
Aaand that's the last i'll comment on policy lynches, and discussing the pros/cons of Policy Lynches seems counter-productive to me at this point.
wrt RB's post: I do agree that pushing (Alignment Unknown) in favor of pushing (Scum read) isn't the best way of doing this tho.
Just a fyi, FoS and HoS mean the exact same thing.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Oh also FoS Navi & HoS Frostings.
So you're saying beeboy's conf scum? If so where's your vote?Navizel wrote:
basically I'm thinking of Sonatora + beeboy scumteam. I'm fine with PL Sonatora but I'm better with lynching a conf-scum.
Am i the only one that spotted frosting's soft?DakeDekaane wrote:
Thinking it better, I can also ride the Frostings bandwagon /o/
@Page 34: Yeeep seems like it.
Hmm so Frostings wagon happened right after tn's, and looks more like flashwagon than a wagon.
Heh, reminds me of a specific game where I actually considered and proposed lynching an Innocent Child for playing anti-town.
Just something I thought of here, but at this point beeboy was already voting my slot, if you scumread my slot too do you think he's busing?Frostings wrote:
null-scum - beeboy, Dake
scum - tn
Any specific reason you want these specific people to answer your question?Setsuen wrote:
Also I expect a LIST of possible scum team combination from these people:
1.Gumica
2.beeboy123
3.Navizel
4.NoHitter
I agree with this, every person is different.Frostings wrote:
Something you would do if you were scum doesn't mean shit
That's more like playstyle than alignment indicative either way.Frostings wrote:
If I were town, I wouldn't be posting lengthy walls every post unless it was necessary. But you're doing it, and that doesn't mean you aren't town
There is, if he knows the other wagon is on town anyway he can take buddying the other wagon, so an action like that is alignment null.Frostings wrote:
Drezi - went from null to town because this post. If he was scum, there is no advantage of posting this
I reiterate my point about you thinking if we're busing or not.Frostings wrote:
beeboy, Dake - both these guys' posts are actually terrible. Reading through the last two pages of their ISO you get barely any information from them
He would've flipped town.Frostings wrote:
tn - lurking, random vote and unvote on Sephi, posts don't contribute to anything. If he somehow flips town I don't know what to say....
Hey now, usually you should share your VCAs with the rest, also VCA only makes sense after flips.DakeDekaane wrote:
The ones I considered probably town are there because I don't find anything scummy through their ISOs and VCA.
FFS, it's like Frostings is doing everything possibe to look scummy, that strawman at RB was terrible. At this point im really wondering whether i found a soft or not...
This is one of the most common situations near deadline on mafia from what i remember.Setsuen wrote:
Also Lupus rerun: Y/N. With town evently split between two wagons.
What was the purpose of asking this to someone being replaced? I have a few theories of why he was trying to stay low at which the answer can be probably found in my reply to Dake.Gumica wrote:
@tn; WHY are you being so inactive and not posting?
No, when someone is being replaced they are out of the game already (tho some ppl like to continue posting which is kinda a shitty attitude >.>)Gumica wrote:
>Being replaced
meaning he's still in the game for now, until a replacement posts.
Im not sure what to think about ppl throwing analysis out of the window and suspecting both of the ppl goinst against each other without a clear motive for scum to be doing so, which means it's more than likely that it's TvS or TvT, scum theatre looks way more pre-planned.
wrt p/3383077 So tn raises an eyebrow on sona suspiciously sheeping him and you say that they are scum buddies?
He is not scum, but then again he might be...Static Noise Bird wrote:
Alright, Frostings is FINALLY making good points. I guess this is a good thing, unless he after all is one of the scum family members.
WTF is this i dont even -.-
Navizel keeps beetlejuicing.
And you are still voting frostings and continued to vote him at the end of this post... what a shock!NoHitter wrote:
wtf at the sudden bandwagon with little justification on Frostings. If tn is scum, I think other scumpartners decided to jump this wagon to offer a viable counterwagon given how fast it formed.
Can i get some sort of concensus wrt to beeboy, seems like everyone has him in at least null-scum position and I don't think that Frostings should be today's lynch anymore, specially with how scaryly fast that wagon rose up...
I like Frostings scum hunting and points wrt RB lately as well.
Did you antiicpate this? It's like you'd have figured out my posting would make ppl revert their stance on tn from scum to town.Navizel wrote:
More replacements! More change in reads!
Gonna put together all 3 posts in a single quote instead of quoting thrice...
So you contradict yourself.beeboy123 wrote:
Replacements should not affect your reads
until after sakura posts obv
what I mean is we can't just completely forget everything tn did since sakura replaced in :/ I am bad at explaining my thoughts and waiting before I post
If you're town (and that's a pretty big IF), scum can simply leave us both alive until LyLo so you can help them win the game, and now i'm considering lynching you regardless of alignment just for this statement alone, but i'm certian you're scum, so you should just die anyway.beeboy123 wrote:
Well my vote is unlikely to move at this point TN killed his slot by saying he is scum
Wait what.Navizel wrote:
Softclaimed before. Why wouldn't you read me as a town :'c
Ok now THIS is why beeboy needs to die. I'm gonna dissect this post to the very end:
Already gets ready for possible incoming heat on him.beeboy123 wrote:
I know you will all scum read me for this
Why would you even.beeboy123 wrote:
as it involves ending discussion early
Basically wants me dead before i can read over what's going on and dispel the mist that scum has spread.beeboy123 wrote:
but I think we should just lynch Sakura in the next 24 hours or less and continue discussion after the night phase.
Or trolling / reaction testing, his action happened before he saw the message, otherwis he'd have said so in his replace out message. You aren't considering other options.beeboy123 wrote:
TN was annoyed with the mafia sub-forum as he feels as though he can't play here anymore so as his last action he wanted to screw over his team by claiming scum.
Or the threat to scum is too high.beeboy123 wrote:
A long with his other scummy material I don't see Sakura/TN not being lynched this game as the scum threat is too high.
Like if he knows im going to flip town.beeboy123 wrote:
I don't want to wait around talking about nonsense we will have 10 days to talk about our next lynch and other potential scum so 3 days of lost discussion won't be a problem in the scheme of things all that can happen is that Sakura votes Frostling and scum eventually lynches Sakura at a critical moment causing town to lose or Sakura is scum and avoid being lynched making us lose.
Also i love how he wrote that on rollover text so people would be too lazy to read it.
If anything Navi's prob town for stuff like this.Navizel wrote:
Let Sakura talk first.
Since beeboy likes coincidences, WHAT A COINCIDENCE that he FoS's the person that's letting me talk.beeboy123 wrote:
Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful
Interesting, because ppl are townreading me now, he was obviously scared of the threat that an actual GOOD town player would replace tn and spread the mist away.beeboy123 wrote:
I did say to wait 24 hours :/ I just want to avoid town sheeping Sakura because I don't want anyone to ignore what TN did because Sakura replaced him.
Finalized Reads List:
Town
Setsuen
Drezi
Gumica
Null-Town
SNB
Navizel
DakeDekaane
NoHitter (Too much IIoA is making me not being able to put him any higher)
WTF
Frostings (Frostings likely town because of the soft, but it's like he wants ppl to scumread him because of the WTF way he's playing)
Raging Bull (Dunno what to think, sometimes i think he's town but sometimes i think he's scum)
Null-Scum
Sonatora
Scum
beeboy
Fully Caught up now, You may feel free to throw me any questions you may have.
Oh yeah
Vote: beeboy
Vote: beeboy
Sakura, I already said my opinion on the slot, I was scumreading it so badly that it' will be a bit hard to gain my full trust, but I assure you I won't go full retard and trying to lynch you, first posts looked like an excuse indeed, but now that you're already finished I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as that was townie, but given the circunstances, you may understand why my paranoia.
About the VCA I mentioned, I just noticed players were split on both tn and Frostings, with me and NH being the ones who switched between both, but as I was townreading NH in that moment I really didn't consider anything weird.
About the VCA I mentioned, I just noticed players were split on both tn and Frostings, with me and NH being the ones who switched between both, but as I was townreading NH in that moment I really didn't consider anything weird.
Well being paranoid is a town trait, so i don't really mind.
You probably don't know what VCA means, but I can see where your read comes from, that's pretty dangerous tho to assume without knowing either player's alignment.
What are your thoughts on beeboy?
You probably don't know what VCA means, but I can see where your read comes from, that's pretty dangerous tho to assume without knowing either player's alignment.
What are your thoughts on beeboy?
;w;
About beeboy, he was pretty much a null read for me as most of the time his posts wasn't constructive but looked like he wanted to do something, but with this recent behaviour I already moved him to the scum plie.
Vote: beeboy
About beeboy, he was pretty much a null read for me as most of the time his posts wasn't constructive but looked like he wanted to do something, but with this recent behaviour I already moved him to the scum plie.
Vote: beeboy
I might have time to make a post in an hour (maybe less) but I am in the middle of something and have to go to sleep I will try to make time. Honestly a lot of people aren't posting which isn't fun, town is probably going to continue to sheep Sakura for the rest of the game and me flipping town probably won't change anything. But if I can't make a post today can you wait for me to make a post before sealing my fate by putting me at L-1 or L-2? I will be at my grandparents tomorrow so I can probably be active on mobile but I can't quote things so beware of unreadable posts
Just so you know I L-1 or L-2 will kill me because Frost/Sona lol lynch so someone flips or the AFKs who won't read and will just lynch the wagon
Win-more. Since that's a valid point too. Itit isn't really an "excuse me", because I did not make the mistake described, it's just for an "even if I had.." scenario.Sakura wrote:
Wait what. The previous argument was already good enough, why did you feel the need to throw this in as in an "Excuse me"Drezi wrote:
And no, even that's invalid, I've just replaced in.. I've read everything in one go, even if I missed something you can't really say that it was intentional, or selective attention.
As for beeboy, that's the problem I described, what you find scummy, I also find scummy, but I also can see it as his town play...
I agree with everything that is against beeboy, and I wouldn't really mind him being lynched off, but I already said why I'd prefer Sona. Sakura, you did not include an analysis of him and not much before this either, I'd like to see that, and what you think about lnyching him instead. I totally don't feel good following through with the lynch suggestion of my (previous) biggest scumread. You ARE looking town now, but still there's the read I've established before (including the parts right after your replacement), and I can see you pulling off this gradual change as scum.. I'm also scumreading SNB and you put him null-town, I'd like some comments on that too.Sakura wrote:
Already gets ready for possible incoming heat on him. - or just typical lack of confidencebeeboy123 wrote:
I know you will all scum read me for thisWhy would you even. - hammered CTh early in medical mafia for no fucking reason as town so I don't even want to know..beeboy123 wrote:
as it involves ending discussion earlyBasically wants me dead before i can read over what's going on and dispel the mist that scum has spread. - or just afraid that a good scum player will talk her way out of the lynchbeeboy123 wrote:
but I think we should just lynch Sakura in the next 24 hours or less and continue discussion after the night phase.
@SakuraNavizel wrote:
But Dake, I already claimed that I am a mod.NoHitter wrote:
Clarification on wtf characters: Characters who you don't expect to be scum, are scum, etc. inb4 Kyubey is here and is actually town-sided.DDD
I see in the last read post you agreed with something SNB said, but that was just a comment basically mocking someone, even if I agree with it, I wouldn't take that as a town-tell. Also where you quoted something from SNB with "probs" town, I see that as null, so I'd rather like to see what you think about the stuff that pinged me about him.
There's not much to be analyzed from Sona because he's done near Zero this game, when i read his posts i just read trolling, AtE, and what not, but he played like that last game so... im unsure on him to put him as full scum like beeboy.
Last game i played with beeboy he did nothing, here he feels desperate to kill a lurker, and then since i replaced in he hasn't even tried to re-adjust, he just keeps pushing.
Last game i played with beeboy he did nothing, here he feels desperate to kill a lurker, and then since i replaced in he hasn't even tried to re-adjust, he just keeps pushing.
Some of his points ping me, others make me think he's town, It's probably difference in opinion if you're gonna be around in like half an hour, 1 hour i can talk with you about SNB, currently i wanna play some orange juice with some friends.Drezi wrote:
I see in the last read post you agreed with something SNB said, but that was just a comment basically mocking someone, even if I agree with it, I wouldn't take that as a town-tell. Also where you quoted something from SNB with "probs" town, I see that as null, so I'd rather like to see what you think about the stuff that pinged me about him.
... I can't read the walls anymore ;_;
@Sakura: Can you explain your IIoA read over me? Which posts have I gone for information over analysis?
Also, why are people reading Frostings as town again? Can someone give me a consice summary?
Vote: beeboy123 (he's at L-2 now)
I would still prefer a Frostings lynch (though beeboy is also a scum read), but atm that possibility has dismantled. I'm not going to let a null-town read of mine get lynched over a scum read.
@beeboy: If you are town, you shouldn't be afraid of L-2 or L-1 at all. It's at that point, we can see more interactions between people. Any attempts at lolhammers and parroting for the sake of lynching will look scummy anyway.
@Sakura: Can you explain your IIoA read over me? Which posts have I gone for information over analysis?
Also, why are people reading Frostings as town again? Can someone give me a consice summary?
Vote: beeboy123 (he's at L-2 now)
I would still prefer a Frostings lynch (though beeboy is also a scum read), but atm that possibility has dismantled. I'm not going to let a null-town read of mine get lynched over a scum read.
@beeboy: If you are town, you shouldn't be afraid of L-2 or L-1 at all. It's at that point, we can see more interactions between people. Any attempts at lolhammers and parroting for the sake of lynching will look scummy anyway.
Your first posts in the game you argue with setsuen about walls, then when you come back you talk about why flavor is pointless to determine scum. Both of these are theory rather than analysis.NoHitter wrote:
@Sakura: Can you explain your IIoA read over me? Which posts have I gone for information over analysis?
I have a theory, but i don't wanna get into it too much, some of his posts sound genuine tho, others idk what to make of em...NoHitter wrote:
Also, why are people reading Frostings as town again? Can someone give me a consice summary?
@Drezi: Are you around? I wanna discuss SNB now that im done with that orange juice game.
Can you explain? I can't see both you and Frostling being scum or both being town so I would be fine with a frostling lynch. (Inb4 I am scum cause I want to lynch everyone) Honestly I don't think you care about my opinion about you but I'd rather you explain.
Can't make a wall today as well I will check thread every little while to answer questions until I go to sleep as deadline is close.
In GIF bastard I was active before I died d-1 lynch (for doing exactly what I am doing), in your mini normal I had a plan so I wasn't as active and Setsuen's U-Pick solved itself so I couldn't be active and those where the last 3 games I played to determine my activity.
I was thinking about Dake's bastard but ok.
The info I have (or at least i think i have) is info that can only benefit scum atm, that's why i dont want to go into it D1.
The info I have (or at least i think i have) is info that can only benefit scum atm, that's why i dont want to go into it D1.
Dake bastard was a train wreck and I have attempted to improved from that game
Anyway imma go over Drezi's points again since i guess he's not around to talk.
Could be... from my PoV it looked more like announcing that they are scumreading them.Drezi wrote:
Doesn't this attitude look a tad unnatural, announcing intent to place a second vote? null-scumStatic Noise Bird wrote:
But don't mind me voting you soon if that's how it is.
This reminds me of this post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6150525 Where I joined a flash wagon for reactions with a lolz reason.Drezi wrote:
Hell I'd sooner Lynch SNB, like seriously I sooo don't like this post:Yeah this is totally subjective, but the way he just jumped on the wagon and phrased this, and posted only fluff since then just pushed my null-scum read further.Static Noise Bird wrote:
We still have quite a lot time for analyzing, but... wait. There's a train already going on? Don't leave me out, guys!
Vote: Frostings
Null to me.
Is there anything else? Most of SNB's posts that happened when he started contributing felt more like genuine to me, his initial posts were all null imo.
Or maybe im being biased because I had a scumread on Frosty and he was baselessly pushing SNB...
I'm here. Frostings hasn't really been pushing SNB, I mean he's been placing Hands of Suspicions on him all the time in Medical too. Just fluff.
Strawmanning my arguments because you're stuck into scumreading my slot just because of a gambit my predecessor did isn't the way to go towards things, which seems like a scum excuse to continue pushing without care, and your play overall has been very scummy from my PoV.beeboy123 wrote:
Dake bastard was a train wreck and I have attempted to improved from that game
If you're town gun to your head, assume i'm town, who's scum.
Tbh he started by voting SNB for no reason, to which i thought was an RVS vote, he kept pushing that for like forever until he eventually moved to Sona, because of a policy lynch. My issue with him is that other than pushing Sona and repeteadly stating he had a FoS on SNB he did nothing else, until he had the gigantic wagon on him to which he finally started contributing.Drezi wrote:
I'm here. Frostings hasn't really been pushing SNB, I mean he's been placing Hands of Suspicions on him all the time in Medical too. Just fluff.
There's other stuff i picked up while he was replying to Setsuen and it's pointed in one of my catch up walls, but as i said to beeboy i wont go into that D1, and its pretty much the only thing preventing me from wanting him dead atm. You may have noticed in the earlier posts i said they were both probably not on the same team, that's because of his constant push on SNB/Sona which didnt look like scum busing to me.
SNB lurked a lot at the start, then started contributing, then went to herp derp again, then contributing again, i'm not really sure but he's in the null-town to me atm for such reasons.
Also i'd like to know any other reads you have aside from me, beeboy and SNB.
I did not like this either, it's like he wanted us to turn on each other by suggesting that if one is town the other is scum.. And theStatic Noise Bird wrote:
I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).
"watch me get lynched next because of this" coming from SNB is not the same as it coming from beeboy.
I had a feeling he expressed Paranoia in that post, how often has SNB played forum mafia anyway, I had a feeling this was the first game where he hasn't been silenced since he kept getting silenced and unable to play on the previous games.Drezi wrote:
I did not like this either, it's like he wanted us to turn on each other by suggesting that if one is town the other is scum.. And theStatic Noise Bird wrote:
I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).
"watch me get lynched next because of this" coming from SNB is not the same as it coming from beeboy.
Do you think he'd be scum that's lining up lynches?
sonatora is scummy
Lynching frost would help me get an idea about you
RB's play feels unnatural
Navi is useless
Those are my alternate choices
Regarding the coincidental FoS on Navi you pointed out I already had a scum read on him which I announced in my first read list.
Lynching frost would help me get an idea about you
RB's play feels unnatural
Navi is useless
Those are my alternate choices
Regarding the coincidental FoS on Navi you pointed out I already had a scum read on him which I announced in my first read list.
FYI this is like the 5th or 6th game already where I haven't been silenced. I've played on the Finnish subforum too, twice or thrice, after all :<
Keep going, though, this is interesting.
Keep going, though, this is interesting.
Well the reads I haven't commented on haven't really changed. RB is back to a nullish territory, Dake a is bit stronger townread now, mainly because of his attitude towards your case.
Well, anything I say is going to be coincidential with something If i come late into the game.
In either case I was just going over Frosty's earlier games because I had a feeling he was being more aggresive and angry here than in the other games, but then I compare his early posts with his early posts on other games they are very similar (with that joyful feeling) and when he was getting lynched here i suppose he had some disgust and decided to get more serious, which is a town trait. My guess is that Frosty is more likely town due to that.
SNB I could buy if i'm wrong about my current scumreads because I do have a feeling that i'm wrong about at least one of my townreads, but i'd rather sort that another day after some flips.
In either case I was just going over Frosty's earlier games because I had a feeling he was being more aggresive and angry here than in the other games, but then I compare his early posts with his early posts on other games they are very similar (with that joyful feeling) and when he was getting lynched here i suppose he had some disgust and decided to get more serious, which is a town trait. My guess is that Frosty is more likely town due to that.
SNB I could buy if i'm wrong about my current scumreads because I do have a feeling that i'm wrong about at least one of my townreads, but i'd rather sort that another day after some flips.
Wel this is interesting, how many times have you rolled scum in the past?Static Noise Bird wrote:
FYI this is like the 5th or 6th game already where I haven't been silenced. I've played on the Finnish subforum too, twice or thrice, after all :<
Keep going, though, this is interesting.
I agree, That paranoia is hard to fake.Drezi wrote:
Dake a is bit stronger townread now, mainly because of his attitude towards your case.
Why would you lynch frosty to get an idea about me instead of just simply reading me?beeboy123 wrote:
Lynching frost would help me get an idea about you
Like for srs, at this point idk if you just want to lynch whatever or what.
Well not sure what lining up lynches means here, but saying stuff like that is good for scum, since with a stance like that he can just join/push the lynch of either of us and still be right when one flips town.Sakura wrote:
I had a feeling he expressed Paranoia in that post, how often has SNB played forum mafia anyway, I had a feeling this was the first game where he hasn't been silenced since he kept getting silenced and unable to play on the previous games.
Do you think he'd be scum that's lining up lynches?
Lining up lynches is something like
If X flips town then Y is scum.
>Ppl lynch X
>X flips town
Ok so let's lynch Y
>Y flips town
2 townies lynched ooops?!
If X flips town then Y is scum.
>Ppl lynch X
>X flips town
Ok so let's lynch Y
>Y flips town
2 townies lynched ooops?!
Also i misread the post, I thought he was saying that if one of you flips town the other is scum, It felt like paranoia at the time to me tho.
I am 99% sure the 2 of you aren't on the same team that is all, I think both of you are scum around equally but TN is why I am pressuring you and not frosting. Although I actually am starting to reconsider as I feel like your questions are being asked in a way to see if I am town or scum not just purely scum painting me.
Once IIRC.Sakura wrote:
Wel this is interesting, how many times have you rolled scum in the past?
I said game in english or in finnish?Static Noise Bird wrote:
Once IIRC.Sakura wrote:
Wel this is interesting, how many times have you rolled scum in the past?
EBWODP: Is said game*
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Straw_Manbeeboy123 wrote:
What is strawmaning?
One example of you strawmanning me, is when you took the part about "Reading the vote count" and decided to blow it out of proportions to nullify everything else.
English.Sakura wrote:
Is said game in english or in finnish?
Can you link it?Static Noise Bird wrote:
English.Sakura wrote:
Is said game in english or in finnish?
Also if you have 1 or 2 english games where you're town it would be nice to link too. I'm gonna run a meta dive when I wake up tomorrow.
More like today since it's 4 am, lol.
Current theory:
SNB has quite some games that he has played in as town (since 1/5 or 1/6 games as scum means that he has about 4-5 games as town) to have that level of paranoia, depending on the tonality and how skilled his scum play is, i'll check whether he's capable of faking that paranoia and if his tonality comes from town or not.
SNB has quite some games that he has played in as town (since 1/5 or 1/6 games as scum means that he has about 4-5 games as town) to have that level of paranoia, depending on the tonality and how skilled his scum play is, i'll check whether he's capable of faking that paranoia and if his tonality comes from town or not.
Also I'm going to sleep now. See ya all later.
What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?
Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.
and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.
and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
beeboy's post are generally null,null-scum and..... scum. There's hardly anything to indicate that he's town seriously.Raging Bull wrote:
What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?
Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.
and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
Zero theories, fine. Zero list of people you want to lynch? Are u srsly town beeboy?
Also town, now would be the time to look for people who started to post LESSER and LESSER by lesser, I mean a lot. bc I get the feeling that scums are getting TIRED of keeping up with their activity and are resorting to lurking/heavy post padding in the hopes that they will avoid suspicion until N1 where they can "recuperate" their strength by grouping up and planning how they will "act town"
looool oh shit. guess I got mad that navizel didn't answer that I completely forgot to check if you answered.
Why aren't you voting your scum reads then nor pushing them?
Why aren't you voting your scum reads then nor pushing them?
Because I'm dumb as fuck idk.
Vote: beeboy
Vote: beeboy
Beeboy
I'll reread posts again when I can use our computer.
p/3387479/ <- This was my initial case on him.Raging Bull wrote:
What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?
Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.
and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.
p/3390269 <- look at some of the things I comment on wrt beeboy's posts.
You know people usually declare intent to hammer before hammering.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Because I'm dumb as fuck idk.
Vote: beeboy
Also i'm reading through that game now
@Anyone who also played in that game: Since first hand meta is better than second hand meta, do you guys see any differences/similarities in SNB's play from there to here?
@Anyone who also played in that game: Since first hand meta is better than second hand meta, do you guys see any differences/similarities in SNB's play from there to here?
Wait, what.Sakura wrote:
You know people usually declare intent to hammer before hammering.
Bold is mine from p/3152388Static Noise Bird wrote:
CalignoBot - Aside from voting me for no reason on the very first post, no suspicions. Yet.
NoHitter - Haven't paid attention yet. Yet.
BRBP - Plays extreme-town, therefore might be anything.
Gumica - Nothing.
rEdo - Nothing here either.
fartownik - Suspicious claim (not referring to the mafia one btw) and a stupid damn question. Would suspect for both reasons.
DakeDekaane - Scumslipping for lols because nobody takes him seriously anyway. Would suspect.
Drezi - Hides in the shadows. Another "could be anything" case, at the moment.
@Drezi: Look at these stances and see if they look similar to his stances on the post you linked.
-Continues Reading-
It's only L-1 isn't it?
I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.
I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.
Hmm ok.Drezi wrote:
It's only L-1 isn't it?
I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.
And yeah it's only L-1, I was hoping to get some reactions from people that weren't paying attention and probably beeboy himself
Damn usually I don't ruin such ploys when I notice them, didn't realize it here -_-
Anyway yeah, I thought SNB was pretty new so I was giving him a pass, but in that game he's contributing and making substance posts.
I'm going to go ahead and say it, I still think beeboy lynch is kinda bad. He still pings me as an unconfident town rather than any form of scum
Also I still don't like Sakura's approach to this game. Saying you're starting from the beginning of the game and commenting on (and even voting people on) what was relevant 4-5 days ago doesn't help us.
To me, it seems more of a ploy to vote someone, observe town reactions, and quickly unvote them using "Oh I read further into the game now" as an excuse.
For example you "scumread" me and Drezi who was attacking tn with your first post, to observe how the towns of both wagons would react. Once Drezi and beeboy became suspicious, you "kept reading" and started focusing your attention to other people to make yourself look less suspicious
Although I admit your most recent posts look really town, that's probably what it takes to get out of the image tn made for himself
I knew itSetsuen wrote:
I am tot scum with Sakura and it's town fault for not lynching tn5421 b4 Sakura replaced in. Oh noes i just outed it.
Also I still don't like Sakura's approach to this game. Saying you're starting from the beginning of the game and commenting on (and even voting people on) what was relevant 4-5 days ago doesn't help us.
To me, it seems more of a ploy to vote someone, observe town reactions, and quickly unvote them using "Oh I read further into the game now" as an excuse.
For example you "scumread" me and Drezi who was attacking tn with your first post, to observe how the towns of both wagons would react. Once Drezi and beeboy became suspicious, you "kept reading" and started focusing your attention to other people to make yourself look less suspicious
Although I admit your most recent posts look really town, that's probably what it takes to get out of the image tn made for himself
On phone not ipad so my post quality will suck.
And setsuen i think i am posting informational content even if none of you agree with it. Also a lot people in this game literaly not posting content, not lurking. (maybe snb is) this post took a while to make so content will be slow
And setsuen i think i am posting informational content even if none of you agree with it. Also a lot people in this game literaly not posting content, not lurking. (maybe snb is) this post took a while to make so content will be slow
Null-Scum, would lynch.Frostings wrote:
@Sakura: what's your take on Sonatora?
Sakura wrote:
One example of you strawmanning me, is when you took the part about "Reading the vote count" and decided to blow it out of proportions to nullify everything else.
Red junk!!!!!
Red junk!!!!!
D
Your claim revolved around only readibg the D for drezi which is impossible. Now my understanding is you looked at the vote count and due to the convo with drezi it is not that drezi's vote stood out it is that it is what you remembered.
Considering that the voters on me were in red text it's really easy to block out the red color and focus on the rest, either way that argument's old.
In either case, your argument on it seemed like you wanted to strawman me.
In either case, your argument on it seemed like you wanted to strawman me.
Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.
Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old
Drezi wrote:
Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.
Well over 1 day someone should get cbot