More like i didnt read your post till i quote it.

Vote Count 1.11

[4] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane (L-3)
[4] tn5421 -- Navizel, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-3)
[1] Raging Bull -- Drezi
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Gumica, Static Noise Bird, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly more than 24 hours from now.

NoHitter's V/LA is considered over as of this vote count.
If a replacement for tn5421 is not found by the time I'm home from work tomorrow (should be roughly 12 hours before deadline, or about 19.5 hours from this post), then the slot will be modkilled. Due to modkill being from lack of replacement, it will end the day regardless of alignment rather than what would most affect the alignment.

Raging Bull wrote:

More like i didnt read your post till i quote it.

Well right after my post you said:

Raging Bull wrote:

@drezi, PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum,wwhen scum themselves know they are lynching town.

So it appears that you got my post just right.

But either way, why Frostings over tn remains unanswared. No throwing back the ball at me, I want your reasons.

I think we should just wait for tn to get modkilled. I doubt someone is going to replace a player nearing death.

I suddenly woke up at 3:48 dammit. My writing is probably derpy

haha no. If tn5421 is scum and is waiting to be modkilled it's obvious he's trying to cut off discussion. Town SHOULD discuss as much as possible before the mod kill happen before the mod kill happens.

So suiciding? Better for town if he is scum.

Drezi wrote:

Wtf guys, we totally shouldn't lynch Frostings here. I had been nullreading him and leaning towards town now, since he explained the situation, and what he said is just what I was thinking on my own too - before his explanation, so really, I don't get why you're freaking out over that PL vote. Sona is not a conf town to me just because that giving up stuff, and even Frostings said that it's simply an "until better candidate appears" vote.

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.
If you're scumreading him, sure but THIS shouldn't be the main reason.

Why the hell would we lynch Frost when we have TN here, who didn't even bother to adress my post against him, and still hasn't posted anything relevant.
Hell I'd sooner Lynch SNB, like seriously I sooo don't like this post:

Because I don't think he's scum. It's almost pretty much the reason why you disagree with me and Frosting. In fact, I feel his rage is genuine for being banned from Sakura game and requesting replacement.

Drezi wrote:

Being obvious scum is not a reason not to lynch, if isn't making use of it to make reads or anything.. if he keeps doing this as town he's playing against his wincon, so..
When you play as scum, its usually a given you don't want attention. Sure there are people that grab attention early on, but it doesn't happen often. I already had a good scum read and a null read on tn which is why I also don't want him lynched.

As for the PL stuff, as you could see it from both wagons, it's really easy to just join one of them, I still don't think initiating a PL as scum is such a big gain. It's a null tell in itself as far as I'm concerned.

I guess this is where you might be confused. I guess people freaked out the PL, but to me it seemed like he knew Sonatora was town. And also like I stated earlier. PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum, when scum themselves know they are lynching town. That itself is a big gain because
1) People would think they were "scumhunting" and it would make it seem more likely people would read them as town
2) It helps helps scum by finding a reason to vote instead of just hopping on a wagon.


And it isn't even a true PL, because the vote had a scummyness aspect to it aswell, not just pure "lynch useless player". It makes perfect sense to vote someone (and be okay with lynching them, unless a better case presents itself) who might be scum, but if not than we don't lose as much since their behavior is hurtful to town anyway.. (like TN right now?...) Rather than someone who is making sense, but drew some suspicion, a mislynch would hurt a lot more in that case.
Whose vote had scummyness aspect?

Frostings wrote:

How are you guys still scumreading me...

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting

FoS: RB
This isn't even about scumhunting anymore. It's scumpainting. I've been trying my best to stop this mislynch and answering every question thrown at me as best as I can and you still want to push this lynch? I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

Drezi wrote:

You keep dodgeing the question. And this isn't the first time you avoid the matter. You say you don't like my vote on TN, I explain it in detail and you keep saying stuff like he's too obvious of a scum to lynch, I refute that point and you still don't give a proper explanation on why Frostings over TN.
Honestly, you refute it based on "too obvious not to lynch" which is just the same as mine "too obvious for a lynch" because it's based on personal play style. Sometime too obvious is suspicious itself and sometimes too obvious itself is stupid thing to do as scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing.

Never said that - on the contrary I found it reasonable that Frostings placed such a vote, where the target is scummy and PL worthy aswell. TN is in the same ballpark, but with a valid case against him (not only slight scummyness) in addition to the PL worthy behavior...

Oh yeah, I said scum doesn't really gain anything by PL-ing and you took it as we.
Went over this already earlier.
Vote: Raging Bull

Frostings wrote:

2. RB and Sona refuses to vote for tn

Disagreeing on who we vote should not make me scum.

Setsuen post make no sense as always.

Depending on Frosting flip if he gets lynched, I would assume Drezi would be his partner. If Frosting is town, then Drezi would be conf town to me.

Basically I vote frosting after Sonatora seemed more town to me because of his retarded self vote. Then after questioning Frosting a bit, he wonders why I single him out even though I've been stating it for a while I think Sonatora and Frosting may be buddies. After a while that PL quote thing happened where it seemed like he knew Sonatora was town. Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Frostings wrote:

Yeah, let's lynch me over the person who explicitly stated that he is scum, refused to give his reads, and is now lurking

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else, who already asked for a replacement aka not playing/no intention to play.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?

idk if I posted this, but what is this for again?

I'd also like to point out that with the prod penalties cutting our daytime, anyone who is suddenly inactive may be trying to exploit this to give less time for town

Felt like trying to act more town now. I already stated that people should just post at least a prod dodge to prevent losing time.

Setsuen wrote:

haha no. If tn5421 is scum and is waiting to be modkilled it's obvious he's trying to cut off discussion. Town SHOULD discuss as much as possible before the mod kill happen before the mod kill happens.

then discuss something instead of waiting.

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

It's time for that summary post from where I last left off with a substantial post! (i.e. when I voted)
LONG POST WARNING Normally I don't wall, but this is a catch up post...

wtf at the sudden bandwagon with little justification on Frostings. If tn is scum, I think other scumpartners decided to jump this wagon to offer a viable counterwagon given how fast it formed.

Frostings wrote:

Yes, actually I would PL a town. It's only D1, about three or four people scumread Sona and he already started talking about giving up. He basically refused to give his reads until RB pretty much forced him to. Even AFTER people townread him because of his terrible play, he STILL wanted to lynch himself. Sure we could try scum hunting, which I'm not suggesting we shouldn't do, but if we don't get anywhere then I'm suggesting Sona as an option. We could try letting Sona live for D2~D3 but obviously he isn't going to contribute and be pretty much useless.

Wouldn't attempting to lynch someone who MAY be scum better than someone who you think is probably town but will be useless later? I mean, no matter how useless someone is, it's in our better interest to lynch scum always. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than lynch someone who I think is town. I don't quite know Sona's playstyle but I can't imagine it being that bad.

Drezi is defending Frostings. I believe this is a null tell though. I've seen scum defend town and vice versa (though the latter is rare).

beeboy wrote:

Tn literally just came here said 2, 1 line posts and is probably gone for 24 hours.

I would have to agree here. This falls heavily back on the flaking argument I mentioned earlier.

Raging Bull wrote:

Tn makes it way too obvious as scum, so he doesnt convince me.

As of his recent posts, yes I would kind of agree on him being scummy, but how do you define "way too obvious"?

And tn asks for a replacement. Apparently because he thought he was banned from future osu! games? Null read here since both scum and town may have reasons for replacing out at this stage.

beeboy wrote:

um..... should we just PL? I don't see TN's slot not being lynched this game after the I am scum comment.

I believe his comment was more of a reaction to RB's "he's way too obvious scum" post. I'm not entirely sure about how you kind of twisted the meaning and intent of the post.

RB wrote:

prod Setsuen

... Am I dreaming right now???

Setsuen comes and posts things which I skimmed through. Something about scum being in a group of four people, then going off to vote someone outside of those four people in his next post. (See, I'm not PL-ing Setsuen despite me thinking he's town and him playing badly)

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

This pinged me a bit here. Bargaining with scum like this (even in a jokingly manner) feels like something only scum would do.

And we have a possible tn modkill if no replacement wants to come up.

-End of catch up post-

Oh hey the post wasn't THAT long.

TOWN
RB
Dake
Drezi
Setsuen

NULL TOWN
Sonatora

NULL
Gumica
SNB

NULL SCUM
beeboy123
Navizel

SCUM
Frostings
tn

I'll be back before the deadline for a final post.
/me goes back to studying.

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

this sounded a bit terrible too. Didn't notice that there's another meaning behind it. Thanks NH

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

So uh.

What the shit.

HoS Sona hurr durr

I saw a bird today. It's a parrot actually.

At least I'm not the only one scumreading beeboy

prod dodge, will be active more tomorrow

Raging Bull wrote:

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.

I meant regardless of Sona's alignment, his behaviour is going to hurt town

Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

I'm town and I was at L-2. What else am I supposed to do? Lurk and do nothing?

Raging Bull wrote:

Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Because I'm trying to defend myself and you refuse to look for alternatives, while real scum are probably lurking until the deadline to force a mislynch

Raging Bull wrote:

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else

OBVIOUSLY I'm trying to redirect the votes. What the hell.

Raging Bull wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?

idk if I posted this, but what is this for again?

You're telling me that scum has an incentive to start a wagon because they will be more easily read as town, but you yourself started a wagon against me. So this point is invalid

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

ok, Sona. ok.

No Hitter wrote:

Wouldn't attempting to lynch someone who MAY be scum better than someone who you think is probably town but will be useless later? I mean, no matter how useless someone is, it's in our better interest to lynch scum always. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than lynch someone who I think is town. I don't quite know Sona's playstyle but I can't imagine it being that bad.

First, Sona isn't "probably town". And sure, we could take a shot in the dark. 3/11 = 27.3% chance of hitting scum, maybe 2/11 or 3/11 of hitting useful PR, but I know with 90%+ certainty that Sona's behaviour is going to hurt town. Just read through the last page of his ISO right now...
I was suggesting Sona lynch because I didn't have much information yet, it would put town at a better mentality for D2+ and I don't like taking shots in the dark...

No Hitter wrote:

Drezi is defending Frostings. I believe this is a null tell though. I've seen scum defend town and vice versa (though the latter is rare).

Hmm. Now that I think about it in Drezi's point of view, if he were scum, defending one town in a split-vote scenario would probably be useful
1. D1 lynch tn -> flips town
2. D2 start a wagon against me, and even if I flip town, Drezi wouldn't seem suspicious

unlikely but possible

3-4 people walling and Setsuen isn't one of them. What is going on

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.

I meant regardless of Sona's alignment, his behaviour is going to hurt town
Yes, you mentioned it a lot.

Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

I'm town and I was at L-2. What else am I supposed to do? Lurk and do nothing?
No, it's the fact that you even bring it up. Answering every question doesn't mean you question why we aren't unvoting you.

Raging Bull wrote:

Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Because I'm trying to defend myself and you refuse to look for alternatives, while real scum are probably lurking until the deadline to force a mislynch
You're my main suspect so far and lynching you and depending on your flip would make me read Sonatora and Drezi differently. I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

Raging Bull wrote:

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else

OBVIOUSLY I'm trying to redirect the votes. What the hell.
who already asked for replacement/basically doesn't want to play the game anymore? More like personal style, but I don't touch V/LA or requesting replacement people since they can't even defend themselves since they would be lynched easier.

Frostings wrote:

You're telling me that scum has an incentive to start a wagon because they will be more easily read as town, but you yourself started a wagon against me. So this point is invalid
But I'm not scum? Or rather I probably still do not understand here. I think that was for Drezi because he said that scum can just hop on any wagon instead of trying to lead a lynch.

@NH, can't explain it, but for tn it was his posts. Gathering lots of attention, getting prods often only responding to said prod, then stated he was scum and refused to help out was the biggest one for me. It was before he stated for replacement.

tbh at this point, im suspicious of people who did not vote. I think Gumica and SNB. It's possible for scum to just do nothing at this point and wait for modkill since they don't have to join either frosting or tn wagon.

Sakura replaces tn5421 effective immediately. 48 hours will be added to the deadline and an additional 24 will be available if the replacement requests it.

I wont add a vote count or make anything pretty because I'm on my tablet at work.

More replacements! More change in reads!

Replacements should not affect your reads

until after sakura posts obv

what I mean is we can't just completely forget everything tn did since sakura replaced in :/ I am bad at explaining my thoughts and waiting before I post

I'm aware. Posted that because I'm scared of Carbon-14.

beeboy123 wrote:

Replacements should not affect your reads

beeboy123 wrote:

until after sakura posts obv

It will be real ironical if both Sakura & Drezi is scum. Actually not really considering who they replaced.

@NH
Why should I even bother trying to lynch SOME peopel in my scum lynch when A LOT of town REFUSES to vote RB bc they r DERP? Maybe if you could conjure up some sheeping town for me I can get this going.

There's also no way I'm going to trust YOUR reads on RB seeing that you lol lynched RB D1 on Newbie mafia INSTEAD of Nav, so there's ~60%chance you TOTALLY misread RB. Seriously.


So here's a theory.

tn5421 is actually REALLY scum and is totally game throwing. Sakura thinks he's just a bad town and replaces in and realise he's actually scum. She's like OMG no and is trying to avoid posting like no tmr. RB is also scum and is trying to pin suspicion on ppl who didn't vote for tn5421. At this point if you are looking at only at RB's perspective of ppl not voting tn = scummy, you're getting super misleaded.

Well my vote is unlikely to move at this point TN killed his slot by saying he is scum

Where do you come up with these percentages? 70% of the time youmake it up and 15% of the time you are right. Im probably making up numbers 40% of the time.

Also make your case on me then setsuen. Instead of referencing past games. Unless it follows my meta or something. Drezi is doing something on me, but not you.

Raging Bull wrote:

Where do you come up with these percentages? 70% of the time youmake it up and 15% of the time you are right. Im probably making up numbers 40% of the time.

Also make your case on me then setsuen. Instead of referencing past games. Unless it follows my meta or something. Drezi is doing something on me, but not you.

I would if town wasn't so dumb that they ignore possible theories. Unforunately they're just going to throw all my theories away because it's IF. But they will NEVER realise the what IF RB is really scum bc they always think what IF he's not which is dumb.

Raging Bull wrote:

[quote="Setsuen"
I hope some town remember that newbie mafia where Nav+Cts won as scum bc Cth avoided the lynch D1............
Stopping behaviour =/= not scum in fact, I would suspect them more until they prove that they can hold that behaviour for a VERY LONG TIME.

How about you comment about Frosting instead of other stuff.[/quote]

+Trying to push A LOT of attention onto Frosting is suspicious as heck. ESPECIALLY since now that tn5421 claimed scum b4 he got replaced. It was like you were trying to drag votes away from him onto Frosting. Then suddenly when tn5421 claimed scum you go FOS ppl NOT on his wagon. Very townlike indeed. Not.

You might try to look town by posting a lot but if ANY town looked deeply into the intention of YOUR post, it's quite obvious your actions are NOT exactly town-like. You are generating discussion but is it on town/scum?

Golllllldassssssst

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

and yay more sakura plays

if and theory doesn't fit in the same sentence.

Based on your theory setsuen isn't it ok to lynch Sakura today then?

dammit beeboy

beeboy123 wrote:

Based on your theory setsuen isn't it ok to lynch Sakura today then?

I thought my vote was already on tn5421 which Sakura is replacing. Or did vote reset.

At least i generate relevant discussion 60% of the time and not generate discussion based on theories 20% of the time.

Based on what you post, if i claim town, you would read me as town? I wanted Frosting lynched before tn claimed scum.

Softclaimed before. Why wouldn't you read me as a town :'c

What if Setsuen is scum and he tries to distance himself to NoHitter and Drezi to avoid. detection

just, what if

Raging Bull wrote:

At least i generate relevant discussion 60% of the time and not generate discussion based on theories 20% of the time.

Based on what you post, if i claim town, you would read me as town? I wanted Frosting lynched before tn claimed scum.

Srsly town has the right to suspect ppl who wanted Forsting lynched b4 tn5421 claimed scum bc tn "gave up" and it's very possible that his maf buddy tried to save him by diverting attention to Frosting.

Discussion by FOSing town is anti-town and the only person who CAN get away with it is ME only. lol.

Navizel wrote:

Softclaimed before. Why wouldn't you read me as a town :'c

I refuse to trust anyone's claim. Anyone claiming town is still going to be checked if they are suspicious.

Sonatora wrote:

What if Setsuen is scum and he tries to distance himself to NoHitter and Drezi to avoid. detection

just, what if

Yeah what if you town totally missed the chance to lynch off Sephibro scum b4 Drezi replaced in. Such irony my theory COULD be true and yours totally can't happen UNLESS town is stupid and if that's the case, everyone just surrender and gimme my win bc I deserve it.

I know you will all scum read me for this as it involves ending discussion early but I think we should just lynch Sakura in the next 24 hours or less and continue discussion after the night phase. TN was annoyed with the mafia sub-forum as he feels as though he can't play here anymore so as his last action he wanted to screw over his team by claiming scum. A long with his other scummy material I don't see Sakura/TN not being lynched this game as the scum threat is too high. I don't want to wait around talking about nonsense we will have 10 days to talk about our next lynch and other potential scum so 3 days of lost discussion won't be a problem in the scheme of things all that can happen is that Sakura votes Frostling and scum eventually lynches Sakura at a critical moment causing town to lose or Sakura is scum and avoid being lynched making us lose.

Why aren't you checking yourself then. lol

And it looks like you aren't even sure of your so-called theories and you want people to follow you. Hilarious.

Let Sakura talk first.

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

The scum vibes are strong in that post

In the long post I mean. Ninja op

I assume me? As you would have said it quicker if it was setsuen

Yep you

Going to sleep nao kbai

1st post in this page is directed to setsuen. The rest is towards you

beeboy123 wrote:

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

I dunno.

I kind of find this funny as he's been more useful than you the whole time.

Then again, that long post you wrote, TL;DR.

Nice omgus!

Yeah scum claim was gay, but idk. I just dontbelieve it. I felt it was more troll for mislynch.

Threat of TN/Sakura being scum is way to high. I feel as though the claim made perfect sense as he was angry and wanted to ruin this game. On the 1% chance TN/Sakura is town scum will lynch Sakura later in the game sending us into MyLo or a town defeat. The troll worked I truly believe TN is scum and even if you isn't you should see how the lynch is a good idea.

This is basically a TL;DR as well.

Be patient, do not rush, I mean, she hasn't even posted wtf beeboy.

I did say to wait 24 hours :/ I just want to avoid town sheeping Sakura because I don't want anyone to ignore what TN did because Sakura replaced him.

I am aware of that, and I'm sure everyone else here is, specially the ones who were in certain Touhou game (Hi Sakura).

Raging Bull wrote:

I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

If he flips scum then we have a huge load of information for D2.
He most definitely won't flip town, but if, by some miraculous impossibility, he does.. well, I'll cry myself to sleep

Same goes for me though RB. What are you gonna do once I flip town if I end up being lynched? I think you mentioned something with Drezi or Sona but they seem pretty standard who are readable regardless of my alignment

Sonatora wrote:

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

YOU'RE the one telling ME to -
Ok, Sona. Ok.

prod dodge, I'm from work, will be home in ~6 hours.

Unvote
In case my predecessor was voting, also any summaries of what's happened so far would be nice, i'm most likely gonna be gone through half the day tomorrow and I want to make a good decission before deadline so summaries will help me get through what's going on faster.

Also since we're short on time when i get home tomorrow im probably gonna get some quick reads from reading RVS, then start reading backwards from here, unless there's some good summaries to go off of.

Navizel wrote:

Why aren't you checking yourself then. lol

And it looks like you aren't even sure of your so-called theories and you want people to follow you. Hilarious.

The irony is that I don't even need thoeries to out scum and it was proven by the FOS Nyquil D1 in ChaosInDummyVille.

Why do I need to check myself when I have been consistently on track unlike you who is just post padding in the hopes that other town won't call you out for lurking?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

I dunno.

I kind of find this funny as he's been more useful than you the whole time.

If you think Nav is even useful with all the post padding he did I'm going to question just how town you are.

Raging Bull wrote:

Yeah scum claim was gay, but idk. I just dontbelieve it. I felt it was more troll for mislynch.

You know you're going to be in big trouble if Sakura actually flips scum right? All your post are basically defending tn5421 and accusing Frosting.

Also scum did a great job of preventing a lynch by stalling for time using tn5421 replacement.

Next thing you know,possible doc will be on a scum instead of being on me bc they're stupid and then when they claim doc they'll be Policy lynched for that. I have to lose my faith in town when they can't even idetify Post padding and that post padding IS lurking because you're not providing any info at all.

Its fine setsuen, i know what alignment i am. If i am wrong, then i will cry myself to sleep like Frosting will if sakura flips town.

That was almost like the nicest post setsuen made.

I will not be on tomorrow since im at an event. But will be back next day.

That probably wont be possible unless you can control our votes.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

If he flips scum then we have a huge load of information for D2.
He most definitely won't flip town, but if, by some miraculous impossibility, he does.. well, I'll cry myself to sleep

Same goes for me though RB. What are you gonna do once I flip town if I end up being lynched? I think you mentioned something with Drezi or Sona but they seem pretty standard who are readable regardless of my alignment

Sonatora wrote:

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

YOU'RE the one telling ME to -
Ok, Sona. Ok.

So what information?

If you were town, then i admit im wrong about drezi and distancing. Also to analyze your voters and see voting pattern or at least their reason.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

If he flips scum then we have a huge load of information for D2.
He most definitely won't flip town, but if, by some miraculous impossibility, he does.. well, I'll cry myself to sleep

Same goes for me though RB. What are you gonna do once I flip town if I end up being lynched? I think you mentioned something with Drezi or Sona but they seem pretty standard who are readable regardless of my alignment

Sonatora wrote:

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

YOU'RE the one telling ME to -
Ok, Sona. Ok.

So what information?

If you were town, then i admit im wrong about drezi and distancing. Also to analyze your voters and see voting pattern or at least their reason.

So I'm going through the first few pages right now until I have to leave, then i'll be absent for a while.

Setsuen's confidence feels town, but he needs to realize that his reads aren't necessarily right.
Navizel claims scum... lol, i'm probably going to be paranoid of him if he lives long because idk How the fuck to read him...
Frostngs self-vote... what, then switches to a vote on SNB for no reason... hmm.
Setsuen indicating his Fingers of Suspicion are real, why does that even matter? The whole point of RVS is appearing serious to get legit reactions, and RB already wants to say "he's probably not serious".
Wth, why are people talking about a null subject like Setsuen's walls, I don't mind them, if you don't like them just ignore them and move on, gonna keep an eye on who keeps talking about this...
Gut townread on RB, because he's not falling into the "Let's argue about setsuen's walling" part.
Dunno how to feel about Sonatora's posts...
And Frostings instead of explaining or contributing just comments on... SETSUEN'S WALLS! I think we have scum here already...

So far:
Town
Raging Bull
Setsuen

Null-Town
Gumica

Null-Scum
Sonatora

Scum
Frostings

Everyone else is null

I've read up to page 7 so far, prob wont vote until i'm caught up.

That's good and all, but et's not forget who Sakura replaced here, and that she is TN5421 and is on the chopping block along with Frostings. She scumread the other wagon right away, and gave RB a gut townread, how convenient

Obviously she is not gonna come here saying that "welp my predecessor is obv scum, let's lynch me instead of Frostings."

And the fact that she posted reads just after 7 pages, makes me wonder if she really believed that VERY out of date reads serve any purpose, other than making it look like that she genuinely started suspecting Frostings from the get go, and not because it's either him or her right now

?
I didn't know Frostings and me were on the chopping block, I haven't read until that point yet, and no one here has given me any summaries, but thanks for letting me know about it.
Not sure why my predecessor is being scumread yet either, but I can see why people want Frostings lynched from what I've read, and if i'm not the only one seeing this then that's even better then.
I always give reads I am having while I'm catching up because I figure it helps town have some information coming from my slot, whether they are outdated or not by the time i'm done reading isn't what matters, but i prefer doing so than just "Hi guys i've read up until Page X so far".

Sakura wrote:

Null-Scum
Sonatora

And why is that?

So you just replaced in, and haven't even looked at the latest matters and vote count?

And my exact problem with the Frostings wagon is that he is NOT being wagoned because of what you said, but because of something that I don't find scummy, and the reason I'm against his lynch is not because I have a strong townread on him at all, it's because I'm against lynching someone based on non legit reasons, when there are better candidates.

Sakura wrote:

Not sure why my predecessor is being scumread yet either

tn never posted, and when he somehow did, the post was absolutely empty.

Drezi wrote:

So you just replaced in, and haven't even looked at the latest matters and vote count?

And my exact problem with the Frostings wagon is that he is NOT being wagoned because of what you said, but because of something that I don't find scummy, and the reason I'm against his lynch is not because I have a strong townread on him at all, it's because I'm against lynching someone based on non legit reasons, when there are better candidates.

Not sure if homosexual whiteknighting

or just plain scumpartners

that's just my theory mang

it's called logic.

Drezi wrote:

it's called logic.

oh

Drezi wrote:

So you just replaced in, and haven't even looked at the latest matters and vote count?

And my exact problem with the Frostings wagon is that he is NOT being wagoned because of what you said, but because of something that I don't find scummy, and the reason I'm against his lynch is not because I have a strong townread on him at all, it's because I'm against lynching someone based on non legit reasons, when there are better candidates.

No when i first posted i only had read the posts on the page where i posted, i was going to sleep at the time and didnt have time to look up votecounts yet, because I wanted to get some reading done before I came to work.

My read on him comes from

Self-Vote > Reasonless vote on SNB > Commenting on walls.

Which does nothing to advance the game state

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Not sure why my predecessor is being scumread yet either

tn never posted, and when he somehow did, the post was absolutely empty.

Meta-wise he's more tryhard as scum i'll post links when i get back home.

Sonatora wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Null-Scum
Sonatora

And why is that?

Your comments on the game at that point.

Anyway im working atm, so i wont be able to post until later, sorry >.<

Vote Count 1.12

[4] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane (L-3)
[4] Sakura -- Navizel, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-3)
[1] Raging Bull -- Drezi
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Gumica, Static Noise Bird, Sakura
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, September 21st at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6). An additional 24 hours is available at replacement's request.

Raging Bull wrote:

tbh at this point, im suspicious of people who did not vote. I think Gumica and SNB. It's possible for scum to just do nothing at this point and wait for modkill since they don't have to join either frosting or tn wagon.

I was about to vote for Frostings, but I decided to ask tn one last question which he obviously didn't answer. And now, I'm merely waiting for more information from Sakura.

So I have some free time for the time being.

Gumica wrote:

I'm merely waiting for more information from Sakura.

What kind of information are you waiting for?

Not liking how Drezi starts suspecting me because of my predecessor to the point of painting everything i do as scum to fit that read, yet is not voting me and is voting Raging Bull instead, feels like he doesn't want to be seen on a Townie lynch wagon.
Vote: Drezi

Anyway as I have some time now let's compare some of tn's games
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6151553 Scum game from tn (warning: wall war in that game with tn)
t/234651 Town tn.
t/237229 Another town tn.

The difference is obvious.

Reads may or may not change as I continue catching up, but not liking Drezi based on his posts so far since i replaced in.

Not sure of how to feel about Setsuen continuing to push Sephibro despite Sephibro not even posting, there's a difference between innactivity and lurking just saying, i'm thinking. So i'm supposing Setsuen that you're gonna back up the accuracy of your reads with hard facts coming from this game?
@Setsuen: If you out scum via reaction then what reactions have you gotten from people that make you think they are scum? And what would you expect Town to react? (If this is answered sometime in the future then nvm).
Dake doesnt provide much argument, and says he's waiting on others... ok
Gut guess says Setsuen and Drezi are opposite alignments or both town, but i hardly doubt they are scum together.
Bringing past games is one thing, but suspecting a player that hasn't even posted is like... what. There are innumerable explanations as to why they haven't posted including possible real life reasons.

Read up to Page 8 and now gotta get back to work orz

You're just being lazy here, I'm still on your wagon for all intents and purposes, I voted RB when I felt I had enough of a case against him too, for emphasis and a reaction, since before that he didn't bother to explains his reasons in detail and address my points properly.

I don't want to be seen on a townie lynch wagon, like really? I made the case against TN, and halted the Frostings lynch, me not voting right now doesn't make my past actions suddenly disappear.

Sakura wrote:

Not liking how Drezi starts suspecting me because of my predecessor to the point of painting everything i do as scum to fit that read, yet is not voting me and is voting Raging Bull instead, feels like he doesn't want to be seen on a Townie lynch wagon.
Vote: Drezi

>read up to page 8, and votes me without even knowing the situation...I replaced in on like page 30.

Sakura wrote:

Gumica wrote:

I'm merely waiting for more information from Sakura.

What kind of information are you waiting for?

You to finish reading the game, and giving a finished opinion.

It's as though she already knows who the threat/enemy is.. Town shouldn't be so confident from the get go, but form an opinion slowly instead, after actually having read stuff.

@Sakura: Obviously I'm not gonna forget what your predecessor did, that's part of the role you're playing too, everyone has to keep that in mind.

Drezi wrote:

You're just being lazy here, I'm still on your wagon for all intents and purposes, I voted RB when I felt I had enough of a case against him too, for emphasis and a reaction, since before that he didn't bother to explains his reasons in detail and address my points properly.

i haven't read yet, im just taking what i'm currently seeing of your actions and explained why im seeing scum motivation behind them, if you're town you should instead tell me why there's town motivation behind them instead of discredit.

Drezi wrote:

I don't want to be seen on a townie lynch wagon, like really? I made the case against TN, and halted the Frostings lynch, me not voting right now doesn't make my past actions suddenly disappear.

So basically you halted the lynch wagon on your scum mate and started a counterwagon on a townie, this is from my PoV, tho if you're town it's quite possible you're just wrong but if you're townreading Frostings mind explaining why?

Drezi wrote:

It's as though she already knows who the threat/enemy is.. Town shouldn't be so confident from the get go

Why not? The confident tone is part of my style and it gets good enough reactions like this one, it's interesting you never pegged Setsuen for being so "confident from the get go", so it just shows that you either A) Are scum scumpainting me because you already decided im going to be the day's mislynch or B) You're town with confirmation bias

Drezi wrote:

but form an opinion slowly instead, after actually having read stuff.

Playstyle difference, why someone not playing to your idea of town makes them scum?

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Obviously I'm not gonna forget what your predecessor did, that's part of the role you're playing too, everyone has to keep that in mind.

Yeah, but cofbiasing because you thought my slot is scum isn't going to do anyone any favors, do humor me tho, why do you think my predecessor was scum?, did you read the games I linked yet?

The fact that you'd rather spend time replying to me, instead of actually reading the thread, which would answer your questions/make these points void isn't helping.

Hell reading my ISO only would answer almost everything in your post.. That's what you did when you replaced into a town role, ISO-d the key figures one after an other.

You're missing basic stuff here, like the order in which wagons and reads happened here.

Attacking people against you without even being well informed on the matter, is not something I'd expect from you if you're town about to be mislynched..

Drezi wrote:

The fact that you'd rather spend time replying to me, instead of actually reading the thread, which would answer your questions/make these points void isn't helping.

Hell reading my ISO only would answer almost everything in your post.. That's what you did when you replaced into a town role, ISO-d the key figures one after an other.

I'm reading the thread as i'm posting, I only got half an hour to read atm tho.

Drezi wrote:

You're missing basic stuff here, like the order in which wagons and reads happened here.

Most likely, i'm only going off the info posted since my replace in + the stuff i have read so far.

Drezi wrote:

Attacking people against you without even being well informed on the matter, is not something I'd expect from you if you're town about to be mislynched..

Why should I stay quiet until i finish catching up when I can form reads based on reactions I get from others?

Continuing reading:

Sonatora wrote:

Also, why not trust RB. He's pretty much nulscum to me?

I lol'd
@beeboy:

beeboy123 wrote:

<snip>Safe to assume raging bull is town magical girl judging by the use of the word "we"

beeboy123 wrote:

What does town gain by knowing if someone is magical or not? Now scum on the other hand gain a lot if they know who the magical girls are.

What.

Frostings wrote:

1. Setsuen being Setsuen
2. Why are we pushing a lynch quickly beeboy?
3. Sonatora is mean
4. Something else...I forget
5. Oh yeah, scum is obvious. It's ... (SURPRISE) SNB !

HOLY SHT I WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT ON YOU AINT I.
4/5 of these statements/questions are... ueseless.

Raging Bull wrote:

Setsuen, scummy behavior does not mean scum.

And dake give us your reads now.

This is something I can agree with.

Setsuen wrote:

That's like saying compeltely no post from start of game until now = Not lurking[

Fwiw, this is right, not posting =/= lurking, Lurking is when someone's reading AND not posting, Inactive is when someone isn't even reading nor posting.
@Setsuen: Despite you being correct that not posting doesn't have any town motivation, you're forgetting that it's also possible that the reason someone's not posting is because of real life issues, only reason to scumread a lurker would be PoE, do you have a townread on everyone else to be that certain about sephibro being scum when he hadn't posted?
Also Sonatora's starting to look better.

Frostings wrote:

1. We lynch Sephibro
2. He flips town
3. ???

So you know sephibro is town or what did you mean here...

Setsuen wrote:

They can but I have a weird suspicion that Sonatora and Sephibro are from two different alignment so if Sephi does flip town(by town I mean VT bc he isn't PR) Sona is scum.

I thought you said you were the only VT?

DakeDekaane wrote:

Thinking it better, what do you guys think about a flavor massclaim?

DO NOT CLAIM PLEASE.

I think it's more likely to help scum find the magical girls than help town find the scum.
Speaking of which, what are the pros and cons for a Magical Girl to claim? If they haven't contracted scum are less likely to kill them, and if they have contracted it's the total opposite, what are the pros and cons of claiming being a magical girl or not without claiming whether they have contracted or not? Just something to take in mind for the future.
I'm pretty sure by now that SNB and Frostings aren't scum mates either...

Frostings wrote:

Aside from SNB, I'd go with either a Sona lynch or beeboy lynch, maybe tn if he continues posting nothing

Finally some content out of you, why Sona or beeboy?

Updated reads list:

Town
Raging Bull
Setsuen

Null-Town
Gumica
Sonatora
Dake

Neutral
NoHitter (this read's been pacing back and forth with his posts u.u)

Null-Scum
beeboy
Navizel (maybe im getting paranoid here, but his posts looks like regular old scum navi to me)

Scum
Frostings
Drezi

Everyone else is null.

Sephibro was replaced by Drezi right? I'm looking forward to seeing what is Setsuen onto later.

Currently up to page 12, will continue reading when i have time again, good thing weekend's coming

@Mod: I'll take the extra 24 hours, also you forgot to update the thread title with the new deadline.

How do you even play as town anyway

And would you mind telling me how I play as town

Sakura's play is looking really town at the moment, yet there's the fact I was scumreading the slot.

Sakura: Would you lynch a slot which was initially scummy to you, but then whoever replaced it looked town to you?
(Actually, can everyone answer this too?)

In Carbon-14, I was scumreading Blue Yoshi but he got replaced by Caligno who looks town but turned out to be scum which means my initial read is correct. So yeah, I might. Can't really blame me.

Why does Sakura look really town to you?

I don't like changing my read just because there has been a replacement. It's a lot easier to look town with a fresh start as a person, despite the slot being the same.