How are you guys still scumreading me...

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting

FoS: RB
This isn't even about scumhunting anymore. It's scumpainting. I've been trying my best to stop this mislynch and answering every question thrown at me as best as I can and you still want to push this lynch?

Gumica wrote:

- I have a distaste for Frostings PL idea.

I have a conflicting opinion than you, therefore I must be scum
Meanwhile there are at least three others who haven't contributed to anything this game, but you'd rather lynch me for a single PL-vote

beeboy123 wrote:

@snb what did navi do to go from null-scum to null?

Pretty random question, what was the reason for this?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Scum
Drezi OR Gumica. I can't tell which one, but they both probably are not. I'll expect tn or Frostings to be either one's partner.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).

So you want to lynch those that look town because they are probably scum, over the ones that look scum..?

Raging Bull wrote:

Welp everyone prod dodge-ing. Well i still prefer Frosting lynch than tn.

Yeah, let's lynch me over the person who explicitly stated that he is scum, refused to give his reads, and is now lurking

Raging Bull wrote:

Lol at setsuen. If its boring, do something. Kinda obvious since you tell us that.

1.Town don't appareciate my accurate reads
2.Town decide to ignore my reads because they don't trust my reasons for my reads
3.Town is being stupid and letting scum lead them instead of sheeping me
4.Why should I try if town is so ridiculously stubborn and sheeping scum this game

Also the only one who is FINALLY conf town at THIS point other than me of course, is Gumica who is STILL null reading me BECAUSE any SANE Scum woudl be town,null-town reading me by now. Like I said, my reads CAN change and my reads near the END of D1 is the most accurate.

@DD how is Navizel prob town for stating stuff already mentioned. Just LOOK CAREFULLY AT NAVIZEL'S ISO OMG. Seriously the ONLY reason you CAN put Nav in prob town is ONLY when SNB,Frosting,tn5421 AND Sonatora is so scummy that Navizel had to go into null-town bc of it. If no, there is absolutely no reason why Navizel should be in null-town.

vote:tn5421

At this point I don't care anymore. bc if tn doesn't flip scum, Town is going to lynch off Frosting. Unfortunately, NOT BEFORE scum nightkill me off if there's no doc this game.

Also Lupus rerun: Y/N. With town evently split between two wagons.

beeboy123 wrote:

All of your scum reads are due to people not posting content. did anything posted so far feel odd to you?

1. RB pushing a lynch on me
2. SNB's scumreads
3. Your question to SNB about Navi

probably more, but that's what I can think of at the top of my head right now

Setsuen so funny. Lalalalalalalalala

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

Frostings wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

@snb what did navi do to go from null-scum to null?

Pretty random question, what was the reason for this?

Because Navi posted nothing that would make him seem more town from the time when SNB had an FoS on Navi and the time of SNB's reads.

Frostings wrote:

1. RB pushing a lynch on me
2. SNB's scumreads
3. Your question to SNB about Navi

1. Trying to lynch you doesn't make someone scum
2. What is wrong with SNB's scumreads?
3. Already answered

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

Ya because screw content AmIRite? Even if at times his posts can be long Setsuen is making the game more enjoyable. Regardless of the quality I'd prefer to have discussion over people posting read lists every other day that are 90% null and 10% wagons.

Cause you are obnoxious Setsuen. If you become humble, people would listen more.

@drezi, ill post later since im on my phone.

Frostings wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).

So you want to lynch those that look town because they are probably scum, over the ones that look scum..?

Never said that, never voted either. Again, it's just my shitty "gut read", suspicion over looking overly townish.

Oh, and thanks for reminding, Navi should still fit under the Null-Scum category for me. I forgot the PL stuff and what not.

Frostings, I havent voted yet, so I don't know why you're accussing me of trying to lynch a PL-er. I' only scumreading you based on your action, but really I'm just deciding between you and the lurkers at this point.

Vote Count 1.10

[5] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane, Static Noise Bird (L-2)
[5] tn5421 -- Navizel, Drezi, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-2)
[0] Raging Bull --
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Gumica, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

NoHitter is V/LA until tomorrow.

tn5421 is being replaced.

What I really want to know is this:

@tn; WHY are you being so inactive and not posting?

"tn5421 is being replaced."

>Being replaced
meaning he's still in the game for now, until a replacement posts.

This game is like a rollercoaster, but without the ups and downs.

But don't expect him to post, no matter how much "in the game" he still is.

Sorry, i have a test today and was unable to post when i got home since i needed to study more.

@drezi i dont understand why you want tn either. It seems like you want tn lynch cause he is playing against his wincon, but you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing. And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Or lynch tn for his behavior＊

You keep dodgeing the question. And this isn't the first time you avoid the matter. You say you don't like my vote on TN, I explain it in detail and you keep saying stuff like he's too obvious of a scum to lynch, I refute that point and you still don't give a proper explanation on why Frostings over TN.

Raging Bull wrote:

you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing.

Never said that - on the contrary I found it reasonable that Frostings placed such a vote, where the target is scummy and PL worthy aswell. TN is in the same ballpark, but with a valid case against him (not only slight scummyness) in addition to the PL worthy behavior...

Oh yeah, I said scum doesn't really gain anything by PL-ing and you took it as we.

Vote: Raging Bull

@mod: Prods


I will wait for a reply before I decide if I want to FoS RBull

@Dake what are your thoughts on RBull?

DakeDekaane wrote:

This game is like a rollercoaster, but without the ups and downs.

Thanks Dake, I saw a bird today.

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?


I'd also like to point out that with the prod penalties cutting our daytime, anyone who is suddenly inactive may be trying to exploit this to give less time for town

-6 hours of discussion time in exchange for 2 days of being inactive is not worth the effort for a scum.

beeboy123 wrote:

-6 hours of discussion time in exchange for 2 days of being inactive is not worth the effort for a scum.

2 days of inactivity requires 0 effort.
and half these towns STILL won't find them suspicious
like look at Sonatora...

2 days of inactivity will make people suspect you tn is being voted for being inactive atm.

Sonatora is getting replaced or modkilled now that he has 3x prods

Sorry. I was away because personal reasons
anyways #reads

TOWN-
Drezi: Has town motivations in his/her posts. But I'm still holding grudges
Setsuen- Please can you be polite

NULLTOWN-
SNB- Pretty much a town until that bandwagon post
Dake- Town motifs, but not enough
Navizel- Fluffing
Raging Bull- I'm fine with this guy. Although there's much more alternatives than arguing with drezi

NULL TO NULLSCUM-
Gumica- Gee, thanks for the null
tn- where are you. I need your reads
beeboy- give me a decent post and i might change my image on you

SCUM-
Frostings- I dont need any arguments in this one. Besides, it's already painfully obvious at this point of the game that Frosting's a scum

Getting on my conclusion, I therefore hypothesize

FoS: SNB

Sonatora wrote:

SCUM-
Frostings- I dont need any arguments in this one. Besides, it's already painfully obvious at this point of the game that Frosting's a scum

ok buddy.

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

1. RB pushes for a lynch against me for being the only one to vote Sona for so long
2. RB and Sona refuses to vote for tn
3. Sona STILL dodging every question and doesn't provide explanations
4:

tn5421 wrote:

I can do you one better than that, setsuen.

Vote: SephiBRO

Post and I'll consider removing this.

Sonatora wrote:

Vote: Sephibro

Lemme help ya there tn-senpai

tn5421 wrote:

Sonatora what are you even doing?

Raging Bull wrote:

Man vote frosting. He hates you.

Sonatora wrote:

Nah, I'm fine with him

tn5421 wrote:

Unvote

Not comfortable putting someone at L-1 without getting some kind of response first.

This is pretty much an exchange amongst scum...

My reads now (in a spectrum from town to scum)

TOWN

Drezi
Setsuen
Gumica
Navizel
NoHitter
beeboy123
SNB
Dake
RB
Sona
tn

SCUM

and with Frosting post here are Some fact for everyone:Anyone considering an SNB lynch have to wait until D3 bc I say so and bc lynching SNB now provide 0 info for town.

D1 lynch s between tn5421 & Frosting
D2 Lynch is between RB & DD bc they are most likely of different alignment. If you think one of them is town, just vote the other.
D3 Lynch is between SNB & Navizel.

Sonatora will probably ONLY be lynched if we lynched off 2scums and have no idea who is the last one.


Also FOS:Nav for LURKING. Yes you are lurking. I'm starting to think Nav was ONLY posting at the start to avoid a newbie mafia where I called him out D1 for lurking and he had to "profusely" deny it. Then, he thought he was SAFE for being called as a lurker. Sorry it doesn't happen this way. You might be avoiding the lynch D1, but you're going to be the lynch target pretty soon if you lurk more.

Alright, Frostings is FINALLY making good points. I guess this is a good thing, unless he after all is one of the scum family members.

Unvote for now, also.

Well I don't know about the 4th reason, but the other ones sound rather obvious now that I think about them.

Good reason for tn to get replaced - can't take the pressure and accusations of lurking am I right ladies?

Because the game is "boring"

Derp FOS lol

Also, you didn't post anything for 27 hours too and you probably saw me browsing the forum which means you're lurking too so screw you

Navizel wrote:

Also, you didn't post anything for 27 hours too and you probably saw me browsing the forum which means you're lurking too so screw you

lol at least I'm providing FOS and theories instead of hey you're lurking too omg~ as an excuse for lurking. All you're doing is restating what HAS been stated by OTHERS.(and for YOUR info, the focus on lurking was started by me) and then you're giving posts that are VERY close to one-liners.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Well I don't know about the 4th reason, but the other ones sound rather obvious now that I think about them.

Good reason for tn to get replaced - can't take the pressure and accusations of lurking am I right ladies?

Are u srs. I might ask to be replaced if town lets scum get away with some of the bs they been saying and I'm not even scum.

Navizel wrote:

Also, you didn't post anything for 27 hours too and you probably saw me browsing the forum which means you're lurking too so screw you

Nope. Lets see first I was hooked on MasterChef and watched S4+5 then 3. Then anime was out and I only watched most of them yesterday. They I had to play on a MMO wasting my time THEN I went to raise my CTB rank up by farming PP by HR+HDing Normal CTB diff oh wow I am tot on the forum lurking when I really only have firefox on with the forum in one tab. Much wow.

Also can this game plz end b4 Survivor+Amazing race comes up near Sep22. kthx. Also Nav at this point I'm TownRaeded by almost everyone. I can lurk all I want bc I can self-clear myself as hidden power VT BC my hidden power HAS to do something(Irony here, I'm posting MUCH more than a LOT of other people). You on the other hand can't and lurking = LYNCH.

Setsuen wrote:

Are u srs.

No. No I'm not. Glad that someone asked before I have to leave to school.

Drezi wrote:

And scum has nothing to gain by trying to push a PL, it's not even like a scum partner needed saving or anything, scum can just join any wagon and lynch off a scummy townie, why would they pull shit like this.

Okay my bad. And yea, i didnt mean to dodge question but i dont like to post a lot on phone. As for the "we" part, you might as town read me for p/3364372/. We is a term i use meaning me and everyone. If you see it as a scum slip so be it, but im not gonna argue over my choice of words.

Stuff like using "we" is actually town like to me as it shows that you aren't carefully reading each one of your posts like what you would do as scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

As for the "we" part, you might as town read me for http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3364372/. We is a term i use meaning me and everyone. If you see it as a scum slip so be it, but im not gonna argue over my choice of words.

It's kinda different though, because here the usage of we suggests that when I said "scum has nothing to gain" you unconciously remembered the gist of my post as "he said we don't have anything to gain".

But as I made it clear from my post, this isn't the end-all be-all argument, just one of the things I noticed.

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?


Yes, but it was because drezi said there isnt much gain as scum that i said its possible to be town read easier.

More like i didnt read your post till i quote it.

Vote Count 1.11

[4] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane (L-3)
[4] tn5421 -- Navizel, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-3)
[1] Raging Bull -- Drezi
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Gumica, Static Noise Bird, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly more than 24 hours from now.

NoHitter's V/LA is considered over as of this vote count.
If a replacement for tn5421 is not found by the time I'm home from work tomorrow (should be roughly 12 hours before deadline, or about 19.5 hours from this post), then the slot will be modkilled. Due to modkill being from lack of replacement, it will end the day regardless of alignment rather than what would most affect the alignment.

Raging Bull wrote:

More like i didnt read your post till i quote it.

Well right after my post you said:

Raging Bull wrote:

@drezi, PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum,wwhen scum themselves know they are lynching town.

So it appears that you got my post just right.

But either way, why Frostings over tn remains unanswared. No throwing back the ball at me, I want your reasons.

I think we should just wait for tn to get modkilled. I doubt someone is going to replace a player nearing death.

I suddenly woke up at 3:48 dammit. My writing is probably derpy

haha no. If tn5421 is scum and is waiting to be modkilled it's obvious he's trying to cut off discussion. Town SHOULD discuss as much as possible before the mod kill happen before the mod kill happens.

So suiciding? Better for town if he is scum.

Drezi wrote:

Wtf guys, we totally shouldn't lynch Frostings here. I had been nullreading him and leaning towards town now, since he explained the situation, and what he said is just what I was thinking on my own too - before his explanation, so really, I don't get why you're freaking out over that PL vote. Sona is not a conf town to me just because that giving up stuff, and even Frostings said that it's simply an "until better candidate appears" vote.

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.
If you're scumreading him, sure but THIS shouldn't be the main reason.

Why the hell would we lynch Frost when we have TN here, who didn't even bother to adress my post against him, and still hasn't posted anything relevant.
Hell I'd sooner Lynch SNB, like seriously I sooo don't like this post:

Because I don't think he's scum. It's almost pretty much the reason why you disagree with me and Frosting. In fact, I feel his rage is genuine for being banned from Sakura game and requesting replacement.

Drezi wrote:

Being obvious scum is not a reason not to lynch, if isn't making use of it to make reads or anything.. if he keeps doing this as town he's playing against his wincon, so..
When you play as scum, its usually a given you don't want attention. Sure there are people that grab attention early on, but it doesn't happen often. I already had a good scum read and a null read on tn which is why I also don't want him lynched.

As for the PL stuff, as you could see it from both wagons, it's really easy to just join one of them, I still don't think initiating a PL as scum is such a big gain. It's a null tell in itself as far as I'm concerned.

I guess this is where you might be confused. I guess people freaked out the PL, but to me it seemed like he knew Sonatora was town. And also like I stated earlier. PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum, when scum themselves know they are lynching town. That itself is a big gain because
1) People would think they were "scumhunting" and it would make it seem more likely people would read them as town
2) It helps helps scum by finding a reason to vote instead of just hopping on a wagon.


And it isn't even a true PL, because the vote had a scummyness aspect to it aswell, not just pure "lynch useless player". It makes perfect sense to vote someone (and be okay with lynching them, unless a better case presents itself) who might be scum, but if not than we don't lose as much since their behavior is hurtful to town anyway.. (like TN right now?...) Rather than someone who is making sense, but drew some suspicion, a mislynch would hurt a lot more in that case.
Whose vote had scummyness aspect?

Frostings wrote:

How are you guys still scumreading me...

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting

FoS: RB
This isn't even about scumhunting anymore. It's scumpainting. I've been trying my best to stop this mislynch and answering every question thrown at me as best as I can and you still want to push this lynch? I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

Drezi wrote:

You keep dodgeing the question. And this isn't the first time you avoid the matter. You say you don't like my vote on TN, I explain it in detail and you keep saying stuff like he's too obvious of a scum to lynch, I refute that point and you still don't give a proper explanation on why Frostings over TN.
Honestly, you refute it based on "too obvious not to lynch" which is just the same as mine "too obvious for a lynch" because it's based on personal play style. Sometime too obvious is suspicious itself and sometimes too obvious itself is stupid thing to do as scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing.

Never said that - on the contrary I found it reasonable that Frostings placed such a vote, where the target is scummy and PL worthy aswell. TN is in the same ballpark, but with a valid case against him (not only slight scummyness) in addition to the PL worthy behavior...

Oh yeah, I said scum doesn't really gain anything by PL-ing and you took it as we.
Went over this already earlier.
Vote: Raging Bull

Frostings wrote:

2. RB and Sona refuses to vote for tn

Disagreeing on who we vote should not make me scum.

Setsuen post make no sense as always.

Depending on Frosting flip if he gets lynched, I would assume Drezi would be his partner. If Frosting is town, then Drezi would be conf town to me.

Basically I vote frosting after Sonatora seemed more town to me because of his retarded self vote. Then after questioning Frosting a bit, he wonders why I single him out even though I've been stating it for a while I think Sonatora and Frosting may be buddies. After a while that PL quote thing happened where it seemed like he knew Sonatora was town. Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Frostings wrote:

Yeah, let's lynch me over the person who explicitly stated that he is scum, refused to give his reads, and is now lurking

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else, who already asked for a replacement aka not playing/no intention to play.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?

idk if I posted this, but what is this for again?

I'd also like to point out that with the prod penalties cutting our daytime, anyone who is suddenly inactive may be trying to exploit this to give less time for town

Felt like trying to act more town now. I already stated that people should just post at least a prod dodge to prevent losing time.

Setsuen wrote:

haha no. If tn5421 is scum and is waiting to be modkilled it's obvious he's trying to cut off discussion. Town SHOULD discuss as much as possible before the mod kill happen before the mod kill happens.

then discuss something instead of waiting.

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

It's time for that summary post from where I last left off with a substantial post! (i.e. when I voted)
LONG POST WARNING Normally I don't wall, but this is a catch up post...

wtf at the sudden bandwagon with little justification on Frostings. If tn is scum, I think other scumpartners decided to jump this wagon to offer a viable counterwagon given how fast it formed.

Frostings wrote:

Yes, actually I would PL a town. It's only D1, about three or four people scumread Sona and he already started talking about giving up. He basically refused to give his reads until RB pretty much forced him to. Even AFTER people townread him because of his terrible play, he STILL wanted to lynch himself. Sure we could try scum hunting, which I'm not suggesting we shouldn't do, but if we don't get anywhere then I'm suggesting Sona as an option. We could try letting Sona live for D2~D3 but obviously he isn't going to contribute and be pretty much useless.

Wouldn't attempting to lynch someone who MAY be scum better than someone who you think is probably town but will be useless later? I mean, no matter how useless someone is, it's in our better interest to lynch scum always. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than lynch someone who I think is town. I don't quite know Sona's playstyle but I can't imagine it being that bad.

Drezi is defending Frostings. I believe this is a null tell though. I've seen scum defend town and vice versa (though the latter is rare).

beeboy wrote:

Tn literally just came here said 2, 1 line posts and is probably gone for 24 hours.

I would have to agree here. This falls heavily back on the flaking argument I mentioned earlier.

Raging Bull wrote:

Tn makes it way too obvious as scum, so he doesnt convince me.

As of his recent posts, yes I would kind of agree on him being scummy, but how do you define "way too obvious"?

And tn asks for a replacement. Apparently because he thought he was banned from future osu! games? Null read here since both scum and town may have reasons for replacing out at this stage.

beeboy wrote:

um..... should we just PL? I don't see TN's slot not being lynched this game after the I am scum comment.

I believe his comment was more of a reaction to RB's "he's way too obvious scum" post. I'm not entirely sure about how you kind of twisted the meaning and intent of the post.

RB wrote:

prod Setsuen

... Am I dreaming right now???

Setsuen comes and posts things which I skimmed through. Something about scum being in a group of four people, then going off to vote someone outside of those four people in his next post. (See, I'm not PL-ing Setsuen despite me thinking he's town and him playing badly)

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

This pinged me a bit here. Bargaining with scum like this (even in a jokingly manner) feels like something only scum would do.

And we have a possible tn modkill if no replacement wants to come up.

-End of catch up post-

Oh hey the post wasn't THAT long.

TOWN
RB
Dake
Drezi
Setsuen

NULL TOWN
Sonatora

NULL
Gumica
SNB

NULL SCUM
beeboy123
Navizel

SCUM
Frostings
tn

I'll be back before the deadline for a final post.
/me goes back to studying.

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

this sounded a bit terrible too. Didn't notice that there's another meaning behind it. Thanks NH

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

So uh.

What the shit.

HoS Sona hurr durr

I saw a bird today. It's a parrot actually.

At least I'm not the only one scumreading beeboy

prod dodge, will be active more tomorrow

Raging Bull wrote:

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.

I meant regardless of Sona's alignment, his behaviour is going to hurt town

Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

I'm town and I was at L-2. What else am I supposed to do? Lurk and do nothing?

Raging Bull wrote:

Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Because I'm trying to defend myself and you refuse to look for alternatives, while real scum are probably lurking until the deadline to force a mislynch

Raging Bull wrote:

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else

OBVIOUSLY I'm trying to redirect the votes. What the hell.

Raging Bull wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?

idk if I posted this, but what is this for again?

You're telling me that scum has an incentive to start a wagon because they will be more easily read as town, but you yourself started a wagon against me. So this point is invalid

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

ok, Sona. ok.

No Hitter wrote:

Wouldn't attempting to lynch someone who MAY be scum better than someone who you think is probably town but will be useless later? I mean, no matter how useless someone is, it's in our better interest to lynch scum always. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than lynch someone who I think is town. I don't quite know Sona's playstyle but I can't imagine it being that bad.

First, Sona isn't "probably town". And sure, we could take a shot in the dark. 3/11 = 27.3% chance of hitting scum, maybe 2/11 or 3/11 of hitting useful PR, but I know with 90%+ certainty that Sona's behaviour is going to hurt town. Just read through the last page of his ISO right now...
I was suggesting Sona lynch because I didn't have much information yet, it would put town at a better mentality for D2+ and I don't like taking shots in the dark...

No Hitter wrote:

Drezi is defending Frostings. I believe this is a null tell though. I've seen scum defend town and vice versa (though the latter is rare).

Hmm. Now that I think about it in Drezi's point of view, if he were scum, defending one town in a split-vote scenario would probably be useful
1. D1 lynch tn -> flips town
2. D2 start a wagon against me, and even if I flip town, Drezi wouldn't seem suspicious

unlikely but possible

3-4 people walling and Setsuen isn't one of them. What is going on

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.

I meant regardless of Sona's alignment, his behaviour is going to hurt town
Yes, you mentioned it a lot.

Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

I'm town and I was at L-2. What else am I supposed to do? Lurk and do nothing?
No, it's the fact that you even bring it up. Answering every question doesn't mean you question why we aren't unvoting you.

Raging Bull wrote:

Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Because I'm trying to defend myself and you refuse to look for alternatives, while real scum are probably lurking until the deadline to force a mislynch
You're my main suspect so far and lynching you and depending on your flip would make me read Sonatora and Drezi differently. I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

Raging Bull wrote:

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else

OBVIOUSLY I'm trying to redirect the votes. What the hell.
who already asked for replacement/basically doesn't want to play the game anymore? More like personal style, but I don't touch V/LA or requesting replacement people since they can't even defend themselves since they would be lynched easier.

Frostings wrote:

You're telling me that scum has an incentive to start a wagon because they will be more easily read as town, but you yourself started a wagon against me. So this point is invalid
But I'm not scum? Or rather I probably still do not understand here. I think that was for Drezi because he said that scum can just hop on any wagon instead of trying to lead a lynch.

@NH, can't explain it, but for tn it was his posts. Gathering lots of attention, getting prods often only responding to said prod, then stated he was scum and refused to help out was the biggest one for me. It was before he stated for replacement.

tbh at this point, im suspicious of people who did not vote. I think Gumica and SNB. It's possible for scum to just do nothing at this point and wait for modkill since they don't have to join either frosting or tn wagon.

Sakura replaces tn5421 effective immediately. 48 hours will be added to the deadline and an additional 24 will be available if the replacement requests it.

I wont add a vote count or make anything pretty because I'm on my tablet at work.

More replacements! More change in reads!

Replacements should not affect your reads

until after sakura posts obv

what I mean is we can't just completely forget everything tn did since sakura replaced in :/ I am bad at explaining my thoughts and waiting before I post

I'm aware. Posted that because I'm scared of Carbon-14.

beeboy123 wrote:

Replacements should not affect your reads

beeboy123 wrote:

until after sakura posts obv

It will be real ironical if both Sakura & Drezi is scum. Actually not really considering who they replaced.

@NH
Why should I even bother trying to lynch SOME peopel in my scum lynch when A LOT of town REFUSES to vote RB bc they r DERP? Maybe if you could conjure up some sheeping town for me I can get this going.

There's also no way I'm going to trust YOUR reads on RB seeing that you lol lynched RB D1 on Newbie mafia INSTEAD of Nav, so there's ~60%chance you TOTALLY misread RB. Seriously.


So here's a theory.

tn5421 is actually REALLY scum and is totally game throwing. Sakura thinks he's just a bad town and replaces in and realise he's actually scum. She's like OMG no and is trying to avoid posting like no tmr. RB is also scum and is trying to pin suspicion on ppl who didn't vote for tn5421. At this point if you are looking at only at RB's perspective of ppl not voting tn = scummy, you're getting super misleaded.

Well my vote is unlikely to move at this point TN killed his slot by saying he is scum

Where do you come up with these percentages? 70% of the time youmake it up and 15% of the time you are right. Im probably making up numbers 40% of the time.

Also make your case on me then setsuen. Instead of referencing past games. Unless it follows my meta or something. Drezi is doing something on me, but not you.

Raging Bull wrote:

Where do you come up with these percentages? 70% of the time youmake it up and 15% of the time you are right. Im probably making up numbers 40% of the time.

Also make your case on me then setsuen. Instead of referencing past games. Unless it follows my meta or something. Drezi is doing something on me, but not you.

I would if town wasn't so dumb that they ignore possible theories. Unforunately they're just going to throw all my theories away because it's IF. But they will NEVER realise the what IF RB is really scum bc they always think what IF he's not which is dumb.

Raging Bull wrote:

[quote="Setsuen"
I hope some town remember that newbie mafia where Nav+Cts won as scum bc Cth avoided the lynch D1............
Stopping behaviour =/= not scum in fact, I would suspect them more until they prove that they can hold that behaviour for a VERY LONG TIME.

How about you comment about Frosting instead of other stuff.[/quote]

+Trying to push A LOT of attention onto Frosting is suspicious as heck. ESPECIALLY since now that tn5421 claimed scum b4 he got replaced. It was like you were trying to drag votes away from him onto Frosting. Then suddenly when tn5421 claimed scum you go FOS ppl NOT on his wagon. Very townlike indeed. Not.

You might try to look town by posting a lot but if ANY town looked deeply into the intention of YOUR post, it's quite obvious your actions are NOT exactly town-like. You are generating discussion but is it on town/scum?

Golllllldassssssst

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

and yay more sakura plays

if and theory doesn't fit in the same sentence.

Based on your theory setsuen isn't it ok to lynch Sakura today then?

dammit beeboy

beeboy123 wrote:

Based on your theory setsuen isn't it ok to lynch Sakura today then?

I thought my vote was already on tn5421 which Sakura is replacing. Or did vote reset.

At least i generate relevant discussion 60% of the time and not generate discussion based on theories 20% of the time.

Based on what you post, if i claim town, you would read me as town? I wanted Frosting lynched before tn claimed scum.

Softclaimed before. Why wouldn't you read me as a town :'c

What if Setsuen is scum and he tries to distance himself to NoHitter and Drezi to avoid. detection

just, what if

Raging Bull wrote:

At least i generate relevant discussion 60% of the time and not generate discussion based on theories 20% of the time.

Based on what you post, if i claim town, you would read me as town? I wanted Frosting lynched before tn claimed scum.

Srsly town has the right to suspect ppl who wanted Forsting lynched b4 tn5421 claimed scum bc tn "gave up" and it's very possible that his maf buddy tried to save him by diverting attention to Frosting.

Discussion by FOSing town is anti-town and the only person who CAN get away with it is ME only. lol.

Navizel wrote:

Softclaimed before. Why wouldn't you read me as a town :'c

I refuse to trust anyone's claim. Anyone claiming town is still going to be checked if they are suspicious.

Sonatora wrote:

What if Setsuen is scum and he tries to distance himself to NoHitter and Drezi to avoid. detection

just, what if

Yeah what if you town totally missed the chance to lynch off Sephibro scum b4 Drezi replaced in. Such irony my theory COULD be true and yours totally can't happen UNLESS town is stupid and if that's the case, everyone just surrender and gimme my win bc I deserve it.

I know you will all scum read me for this as it involves ending discussion early but I think we should just lynch Sakura in the next 24 hours or less and continue discussion after the night phase. TN was annoyed with the mafia sub-forum as he feels as though he can't play here anymore so as his last action he wanted to screw over his team by claiming scum. A long with his other scummy material I don't see Sakura/TN not being lynched this game as the scum threat is too high. I don't want to wait around talking about nonsense we will have 10 days to talk about our next lynch and other potential scum so 3 days of lost discussion won't be a problem in the scheme of things all that can happen is that Sakura votes Frostling and scum eventually lynches Sakura at a critical moment causing town to lose or Sakura is scum and avoid being lynched making us lose.

Why aren't you checking yourself then. lol

And it looks like you aren't even sure of your so-called theories and you want people to follow you. Hilarious.

Let Sakura talk first.

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

The scum vibes are strong in that post

In the long post I mean. Ninja op

I assume me? As you would have said it quicker if it was setsuen

Yep you

Going to sleep nao kbai

1st post in this page is directed to setsuen. The rest is towards you

beeboy123 wrote:

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

I dunno.

I kind of find this funny as he's been more useful than you the whole time.

Then again, that long post you wrote, TL;DR.

Nice omgus!

Yeah scum claim was gay, but idk. I just dontbelieve it. I felt it was more troll for mislynch.

Threat of TN/Sakura being scum is way to high. I feel as though the claim made perfect sense as he was angry and wanted to ruin this game. On the 1% chance TN/Sakura is town scum will lynch Sakura later in the game sending us into MyLo or a town defeat. The troll worked I truly believe TN is scum and even if you isn't you should see how the lynch is a good idea.

This is basically a TL;DR as well.

Be patient, do not rush, I mean, she hasn't even posted wtf beeboy.

I did say to wait 24 hours :/ I just want to avoid town sheeping Sakura because I don't want anyone to ignore what TN did because Sakura replaced him.