Let Sakura talk first.

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

The scum vibes are strong in that post

In the long post I mean. Ninja op

I assume me? As you would have said it quicker if it was setsuen

Yep you

Going to sleep nao kbai

1st post in this page is directed to setsuen. The rest is towards you

beeboy123 wrote:

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

I dunno.

I kind of find this funny as he's been more useful than you the whole time.

Then again, that long post you wrote, TL;DR.

Nice omgus!

Yeah scum claim was gay, but idk. I just dontbelieve it. I felt it was more troll for mislynch.

Threat of TN/Sakura being scum is way to high. I feel as though the claim made perfect sense as he was angry and wanted to ruin this game. On the 1% chance TN/Sakura is town scum will lynch Sakura later in the game sending us into MyLo or a town defeat. The troll worked I truly believe TN is scum and even if you isn't you should see how the lynch is a good idea.

This is basically a TL;DR as well.

Be patient, do not rush, I mean, she hasn't even posted wtf beeboy.

I did say to wait 24 hours :/ I just want to avoid town sheeping Sakura because I don't want anyone to ignore what TN did because Sakura replaced him.

I am aware of that, and I'm sure everyone else here is, specially the ones who were in certain Touhou game (Hi Sakura).

Raging Bull wrote:

I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

If he flips scum then we have a huge load of information for D2.
He most definitely won't flip town, but if, by some miraculous impossibility, he does.. well, I'll cry myself to sleep

Same goes for me though RB. What are you gonna do once I flip town if I end up being lynched? I think you mentioned something with Drezi or Sona but they seem pretty standard who are readable regardless of my alignment

Sonatora wrote:

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

YOU'RE the one telling ME to -
Ok, Sona. Ok.

prod dodge, I'm from work, will be home in ~6 hours.

Unvote
In case my predecessor was voting, also any summaries of what's happened so far would be nice, i'm most likely gonna be gone through half the day tomorrow and I want to make a good decission before deadline so summaries will help me get through what's going on faster.

Also since we're short on time when i get home tomorrow im probably gonna get some quick reads from reading RVS, then start reading backwards from here, unless there's some good summaries to go off of.

Navizel wrote:

Why aren't you checking yourself then. lol

And it looks like you aren't even sure of your so-called theories and you want people to follow you. Hilarious.

The irony is that I don't even need thoeries to out scum and it was proven by the FOS Nyquil D1 in ChaosInDummyVille.

Why do I need to check myself when I have been consistently on track unlike you who is just post padding in the hopes that other town won't call you out for lurking?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Also FoS on Navi until he decides to be useful

I dunno.

I kind of find this funny as he's been more useful than you the whole time.

If you think Nav is even useful with all the post padding he did I'm going to question just how town you are.

Raging Bull wrote:

Yeah scum claim was gay, but idk. I just dontbelieve it. I felt it was more troll for mislynch.

You know you're going to be in big trouble if Sakura actually flips scum right? All your post are basically defending tn5421 and accusing Frosting.

Also scum did a great job of preventing a lynch by stalling for time using tn5421 replacement.

Next thing you know,possible doc will be on a scum instead of being on me bc they're stupid and then when they claim doc they'll be Policy lynched for that. I have to lose my faith in town when they can't even idetify Post padding and that post padding IS lurking because you're not providing any info at all.

Its fine setsuen, i know what alignment i am. If i am wrong, then i will cry myself to sleep like Frosting will if sakura flips town.

That was almost like the nicest post setsuen made.

I will not be on tomorrow since im at an event. But will be back next day.

That probably wont be possible unless you can control our votes.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

If he flips scum then we have a huge load of information for D2.
He most definitely won't flip town, but if, by some miraculous impossibility, he does.. well, I'll cry myself to sleep

Same goes for me though RB. What are you gonna do once I flip town if I end up being lynched? I think you mentioned something with Drezi or Sona but they seem pretty standard who are readable regardless of my alignment

Sonatora wrote:

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

YOU'RE the one telling ME to -
Ok, Sona. Ok.

So what information?

If you were town, then i admit im wrong about drezi and distancing. Also to analyze your voters and see voting pattern or at least their reason.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

If he flips scum then we have a huge load of information for D2.
He most definitely won't flip town, but if, by some miraculous impossibility, he does.. well, I'll cry myself to sleep

Same goes for me though RB. What are you gonna do once I flip town if I end up being lynched? I think you mentioned something with Drezi or Sona but they seem pretty standard who are readable regardless of my alignment

Sonatora wrote:

anyways, frostings you should amp up your town play

YOU'RE the one telling ME to -
Ok, Sona. Ok.

So what information?

If you were town, then i admit im wrong about drezi and distancing. Also to analyze your voters and see voting pattern or at least their reason.

So I'm going through the first few pages right now until I have to leave, then i'll be absent for a while.

Setsuen's confidence feels town, but he needs to realize that his reads aren't necessarily right.
Navizel claims scum... lol, i'm probably going to be paranoid of him if he lives long because idk How the fuck to read him...
Frostngs self-vote... what, then switches to a vote on SNB for no reason... hmm.
Setsuen indicating his Fingers of Suspicion are real, why does that even matter? The whole point of RVS is appearing serious to get legit reactions, and RB already wants to say "he's probably not serious".
Wth, why are people talking about a null subject like Setsuen's walls, I don't mind them, if you don't like them just ignore them and move on, gonna keep an eye on who keeps talking about this...
Gut townread on RB, because he's not falling into the "Let's argue about setsuen's walling" part.
Dunno how to feel about Sonatora's posts...
And Frostings instead of explaining or contributing just comments on... SETSUEN'S WALLS! I think we have scum here already...

So far:
Town
Raging Bull
Setsuen

Null-Town
Gumica

Null-Scum
Sonatora

Scum
Frostings

Everyone else is null

I've read up to page 7 so far, prob wont vote until i'm caught up.

That's good and all, but et's not forget who Sakura replaced here, and that she is TN5421 and is on the chopping block along with Frostings. She scumread the other wagon right away, and gave RB a gut townread, how convenient

Obviously she is not gonna come here saying that "welp my predecessor is obv scum, let's lynch me instead of Frostings."

And the fact that she posted reads just after 7 pages, makes me wonder if she really believed that VERY out of date reads serve any purpose, other than making it look like that she genuinely started suspecting Frostings from the get go, and not because it's either him or her right now

?
I didn't know Frostings and me were on the chopping block, I haven't read until that point yet, and no one here has given me any summaries, but thanks for letting me know about it.
Not sure why my predecessor is being scumread yet either, but I can see why people want Frostings lynched from what I've read, and if i'm not the only one seeing this then that's even better then.
I always give reads I am having while I'm catching up because I figure it helps town have some information coming from my slot, whether they are outdated or not by the time i'm done reading isn't what matters, but i prefer doing so than just "Hi guys i've read up until Page X so far".

Sakura wrote:

Null-Scum
Sonatora

And why is that?

So you just replaced in, and haven't even looked at the latest matters and vote count?

And my exact problem with the Frostings wagon is that he is NOT being wagoned because of what you said, but because of something that I don't find scummy, and the reason I'm against his lynch is not because I have a strong townread on him at all, it's because I'm against lynching someone based on non legit reasons, when there are better candidates.

Sakura wrote:

Not sure why my predecessor is being scumread yet either

tn never posted, and when he somehow did, the post was absolutely empty.

Drezi wrote:

So you just replaced in, and haven't even looked at the latest matters and vote count?

And my exact problem with the Frostings wagon is that he is NOT being wagoned because of what you said, but because of something that I don't find scummy, and the reason I'm against his lynch is not because I have a strong townread on him at all, it's because I'm against lynching someone based on non legit reasons, when there are better candidates.

Not sure if homosexual whiteknighting

or just plain scumpartners

that's just my theory mang

it's called logic.

Drezi wrote:

it's called logic.

oh

Drezi wrote:

So you just replaced in, and haven't even looked at the latest matters and vote count?

And my exact problem with the Frostings wagon is that he is NOT being wagoned because of what you said, but because of something that I don't find scummy, and the reason I'm against his lynch is not because I have a strong townread on him at all, it's because I'm against lynching someone based on non legit reasons, when there are better candidates.

No when i first posted i only had read the posts on the page where i posted, i was going to sleep at the time and didnt have time to look up votecounts yet, because I wanted to get some reading done before I came to work.

My read on him comes from

Self-Vote > Reasonless vote on SNB > Commenting on walls.

Which does nothing to advance the game state

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Not sure why my predecessor is being scumread yet either

tn never posted, and when he somehow did, the post was absolutely empty.

Meta-wise he's more tryhard as scum i'll post links when i get back home.

Sonatora wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Null-Scum
Sonatora

And why is that?

Your comments on the game at that point.

Anyway im working atm, so i wont be able to post until later, sorry >.<

Vote Count 1.12

[4] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane (L-3)
[4] Sakura -- Navizel, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-3)
[1] Raging Bull -- Drezi
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Gumica, Static Noise Bird, Sakura
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, September 21st at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6). An additional 24 hours is available at replacement's request.

Raging Bull wrote:

tbh at this point, im suspicious of people who did not vote. I think Gumica and SNB. It's possible for scum to just do nothing at this point and wait for modkill since they don't have to join either frosting or tn wagon.

I was about to vote for Frostings, but I decided to ask tn one last question which he obviously didn't answer. And now, I'm merely waiting for more information from Sakura.

So I have some free time for the time being.

Gumica wrote:

I'm merely waiting for more information from Sakura.

What kind of information are you waiting for?

Not liking how Drezi starts suspecting me because of my predecessor to the point of painting everything i do as scum to fit that read, yet is not voting me and is voting Raging Bull instead, feels like he doesn't want to be seen on a Townie lynch wagon.
Vote: Drezi

Anyway as I have some time now let's compare some of tn's games
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6151553 Scum game from tn (warning: wall war in that game with tn)
t/234651 Town tn.
t/237229 Another town tn.

The difference is obvious.

Reads may or may not change as I continue catching up, but not liking Drezi based on his posts so far since i replaced in.

Not sure of how to feel about Setsuen continuing to push Sephibro despite Sephibro not even posting, there's a difference between innactivity and lurking just saying, i'm thinking. So i'm supposing Setsuen that you're gonna back up the accuracy of your reads with hard facts coming from this game?
@Setsuen: If you out scum via reaction then what reactions have you gotten from people that make you think they are scum? And what would you expect Town to react? (If this is answered sometime in the future then nvm).
Dake doesnt provide much argument, and says he's waiting on others... ok
Gut guess says Setsuen and Drezi are opposite alignments or both town, but i hardly doubt they are scum together.
Bringing past games is one thing, but suspecting a player that hasn't even posted is like... what. There are innumerable explanations as to why they haven't posted including possible real life reasons.

Read up to Page 8 and now gotta get back to work orz

You're just being lazy here, I'm still on your wagon for all intents and purposes, I voted RB when I felt I had enough of a case against him too, for emphasis and a reaction, since before that he didn't bother to explains his reasons in detail and address my points properly.

I don't want to be seen on a townie lynch wagon, like really? I made the case against TN, and halted the Frostings lynch, me not voting right now doesn't make my past actions suddenly disappear.

Sakura wrote:

Not liking how Drezi starts suspecting me because of my predecessor to the point of painting everything i do as scum to fit that read, yet is not voting me and is voting Raging Bull instead, feels like he doesn't want to be seen on a Townie lynch wagon.
Vote: Drezi

>read up to page 8, and votes me without even knowing the situation...I replaced in on like page 30.

Sakura wrote:

Gumica wrote:

I'm merely waiting for more information from Sakura.

What kind of information are you waiting for?

You to finish reading the game, and giving a finished opinion.

It's as though she already knows who the threat/enemy is.. Town shouldn't be so confident from the get go, but form an opinion slowly instead, after actually having read stuff.

@Sakura: Obviously I'm not gonna forget what your predecessor did, that's part of the role you're playing too, everyone has to keep that in mind.

Drezi wrote:

You're just being lazy here, I'm still on your wagon for all intents and purposes, I voted RB when I felt I had enough of a case against him too, for emphasis and a reaction, since before that he didn't bother to explains his reasons in detail and address my points properly.

i haven't read yet, im just taking what i'm currently seeing of your actions and explained why im seeing scum motivation behind them, if you're town you should instead tell me why there's town motivation behind them instead of discredit.

Drezi wrote:

I don't want to be seen on a townie lynch wagon, like really? I made the case against TN, and halted the Frostings lynch, me not voting right now doesn't make my past actions suddenly disappear.

So basically you halted the lynch wagon on your scum mate and started a counterwagon on a townie, this is from my PoV, tho if you're town it's quite possible you're just wrong but if you're townreading Frostings mind explaining why?

Drezi wrote:

It's as though she already knows who the threat/enemy is.. Town shouldn't be so confident from the get go

Why not? The confident tone is part of my style and it gets good enough reactions like this one, it's interesting you never pegged Setsuen for being so "confident from the get go", so it just shows that you either A) Are scum scumpainting me because you already decided im going to be the day's mislynch or B) You're town with confirmation bias

Drezi wrote:

but form an opinion slowly instead, after actually having read stuff.

Playstyle difference, why someone not playing to your idea of town makes them scum?

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Obviously I'm not gonna forget what your predecessor did, that's part of the role you're playing too, everyone has to keep that in mind.

Yeah, but cofbiasing because you thought my slot is scum isn't going to do anyone any favors, do humor me tho, why do you think my predecessor was scum?, did you read the games I linked yet?

The fact that you'd rather spend time replying to me, instead of actually reading the thread, which would answer your questions/make these points void isn't helping.

Hell reading my ISO only would answer almost everything in your post.. That's what you did when you replaced into a town role, ISO-d the key figures one after an other.

You're missing basic stuff here, like the order in which wagons and reads happened here.

Attacking people against you without even being well informed on the matter, is not something I'd expect from you if you're town about to be mislynched..

Drezi wrote:

The fact that you'd rather spend time replying to me, instead of actually reading the thread, which would answer your questions/make these points void isn't helping.

Hell reading my ISO only would answer almost everything in your post.. That's what you did when you replaced into a town role, ISO-d the key figures one after an other.

I'm reading the thread as i'm posting, I only got half an hour to read atm tho.

Drezi wrote:

You're missing basic stuff here, like the order in which wagons and reads happened here.

Most likely, i'm only going off the info posted since my replace in + the stuff i have read so far.

Drezi wrote:

Attacking people against you without even being well informed on the matter, is not something I'd expect from you if you're town about to be mislynched..

Why should I stay quiet until i finish catching up when I can form reads based on reactions I get from others?

Continuing reading:

Sonatora wrote:

Also, why not trust RB. He's pretty much nulscum to me?

I lol'd
@beeboy:

beeboy123 wrote:

<snip>Safe to assume raging bull is town magical girl judging by the use of the word "we"

beeboy123 wrote:

What does town gain by knowing if someone is magical or not? Now scum on the other hand gain a lot if they know who the magical girls are.

What.

Frostings wrote:

1. Setsuen being Setsuen
2. Why are we pushing a lynch quickly beeboy?
3. Sonatora is mean
4. Something else...I forget
5. Oh yeah, scum is obvious. It's ... (SURPRISE) SNB !

HOLY SHT I WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT ON YOU AINT I.
4/5 of these statements/questions are... ueseless.

Raging Bull wrote:

Setsuen, scummy behavior does not mean scum.

And dake give us your reads now.

This is something I can agree with.

Setsuen wrote:

That's like saying compeltely no post from start of game until now = Not lurking[

Fwiw, this is right, not posting =/= lurking, Lurking is when someone's reading AND not posting, Inactive is when someone isn't even reading nor posting.
@Setsuen: Despite you being correct that not posting doesn't have any town motivation, you're forgetting that it's also possible that the reason someone's not posting is because of real life issues, only reason to scumread a lurker would be PoE, do you have a townread on everyone else to be that certain about sephibro being scum when he hadn't posted?
Also Sonatora's starting to look better.

Frostings wrote:

1. We lynch Sephibro
2. He flips town
3. ???

So you know sephibro is town or what did you mean here...

Setsuen wrote:

They can but I have a weird suspicion that Sonatora and Sephibro are from two different alignment so if Sephi does flip town(by town I mean VT bc he isn't PR) Sona is scum.

I thought you said you were the only VT?

DakeDekaane wrote:

Thinking it better, what do you guys think about a flavor massclaim?

DO NOT CLAIM PLEASE.

I think it's more likely to help scum find the magical girls than help town find the scum.
Speaking of which, what are the pros and cons for a Magical Girl to claim? If they haven't contracted scum are less likely to kill them, and if they have contracted it's the total opposite, what are the pros and cons of claiming being a magical girl or not without claiming whether they have contracted or not? Just something to take in mind for the future.
I'm pretty sure by now that SNB and Frostings aren't scum mates either...

Frostings wrote:

Aside from SNB, I'd go with either a Sona lynch or beeboy lynch, maybe tn if he continues posting nothing

Finally some content out of you, why Sona or beeboy?

Updated reads list:

Town
Raging Bull
Setsuen

Null-Town
Gumica
Sonatora
Dake

Neutral
NoHitter (this read's been pacing back and forth with his posts u.u)

Null-Scum
beeboy
Navizel (maybe im getting paranoid here, but his posts looks like regular old scum navi to me)

Scum
Frostings
Drezi

Everyone else is null.

Sephibro was replaced by Drezi right? I'm looking forward to seeing what is Setsuen onto later.

Currently up to page 12, will continue reading when i have time again, good thing weekend's coming

@Mod: I'll take the extra 24 hours, also you forgot to update the thread title with the new deadline.

How do you even play as town anyway

And would you mind telling me how I play as town

Sakura's play is looking really town at the moment, yet there's the fact I was scumreading the slot.

Sakura: Would you lynch a slot which was initially scummy to you, but then whoever replaced it looked town to you?
(Actually, can everyone answer this too?)

In Carbon-14, I was scumreading Blue Yoshi but he got replaced by Caligno who looks town but turned out to be scum which means my initial read is correct. So yeah, I might. Can't really blame me.

Why does Sakura look really town to you?

I don't like changing my read just because there has been a replacement. It's a lot easier to look town with a fresh start as a person, despite the slot being the same.

@Sakura I thought that using we while talking about PRs made it obvious he was on so I wanted him to use his 1-shot before he died. People where pressuring the claim and I dropped it as being a known PR doesn't matter only.

It shocks me that hopping on the Frostling wagon and doing a OMGUS on Drezi is town like.

I find analytical play very townie. Usually when scum attempt to play analytically, they drop off at some point. So far, Sakura's play is analytical and read-giving which IMO is town play.

she is arguing with me and voted me without having read a single post by me from before her replacment, I wouldn't classified that as being overly analytical.

I'm not saying to ignore everything my predecesor did.
One thing is to ignore what tn did and give a read entirely based on my slot.
But the opposite is equally bad, a.k.a reading me entirely based on my predecessor and dismissing my play.
You should just take both plays into account, because the slot is the same.

Navizel wrote:

In Carbon-14, I was scumreading Blue Yoshi but he got replaced by Caligno who looks town but turned out to be scum which means my initial read is correct. So yeah, I might. Can't really blame me.

Last time you brought this SPECIFIC GAME up when I replaced into a game you were scum...

She is literally just hopping on the Frostling wagon scum reading 4/5 people voting her (I included Drezi) And to be honest posting thoughts on the game as you are reading it is pretty unreliable as it isn't hard to read the entire thread and pretend to be reading it bit by bit.

@NH

Sakura wrote:

You should just take both plays into account, because the slot is the same.

I AM taking both plays into account, and I don't find it town-like at all, that you start arguing with me, even though you don't know what's going on right now basically.

Yes I have a bias, since I have been scumreading your predecessor, and no you're not on the right track if you want to change that, while town-Sakura should be, and would be, I believe.

I haven't even checked who's voting me, I only saw a lone wagon on RB and saw Drezi there which is what i found odd.
Also apparently Drezi's so worried about my vote on him that he's trying to push it as if it's the most scummy thing ever

Sakura wrote:

I haven't even checked who's voting me

The fact that you want me to believe this is ridiculous

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I haven't even checked who's voting me

The fact that you want me to believe this is ridiculous

The fact that you assume i want you to believe this is ridiculous.
But I rather not look at who's voting me before i finish reading otherwise i'll end up with biased reads because I know there's clear scumommentum on my wagon.

How exactly am I worried? I'm pointing out everything I find odd. Voting and going into an 1v1 without having read posts from your target (or anything connected to the current events) is questionable indeed.

Sakura wrote:

The fact that you assume i want you to believe this is ridiculous.
But I rather not look at who's voting me before i finish reading otherwise i'll end up with biased reads because I know there's clear scumommentum on my wagon.

I can't see you replying to Gumica's post and not reading the vote count right above it. Not only was I sure TN was scum if I ignored what he did I would still have my vote on you.

Sakura wrote:

But I rather not look at who's voting me before i finish reading otherwise i'll end up with biased reads because I know there's clear scumommentum on my wagon.

So seeing who voted you will result in a biased reads, but scumreading me and picking a fight before you even get to read a single post by me is fine? To me it looks like you're already biased. Why would you be, unless you're scum who already knows that I'm an enemy.

Drezi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

But I rather not look at who's voting me before i finish reading otherwise i'll end up with biased reads because I know there's clear scumommentum on my wagon.

So seeing who voted you will result in a biased reads, but scumreading me and picking a fight before you even get to read a single post by me is fine? To me it looks like you're already biased. Why would you be, unless you're scum who already knows that I'm an enemy.

It's not biased because it's based on 2 facts:
1) I know my role PM says im town
2) You're pushing a wagon based on BS while not voting it.

prod dodging, gonna be back at really late tonight

Guess you did read the vote count :/

beeboy123 wrote:

Guess you did read the vote count :/

I saw the vote count, i didnt read the votes on me, I only read the off-wagon votes and saw Drezi there, as his lone vote stands out like a sore thumb.

Sakura wrote:

I'm not saying to ignore everything my predecesor did.
One thing is to ignore what tn did and give a read entirely based on my slot.
But the opposite is equally bad, a.k.a reading me entirely based on my predecessor and dismissing my play.
You should just take both plays into account, because the slot is the same.

Navizel wrote:

In Carbon-14, I was scumreading Blue Yoshi but he got replaced by Caligno who looks town but turned out to be scum which means my initial read is correct. So yeah, I might. Can't really blame me.

Last time you brought this SPECIFIC GAME up when I replaced into a game you were scum...

Yup. Doesn't change the fact that I'm still scared of it to happen again.

Sakura wrote:

It's not biased because it's based on 2 facts:
1) I know my role PM says im town
2) You're pushing a wagon based on BS while not voting it.

1) Is not a fact, only a claim
2) I'm pushing a wagon based on a case I made, and still making after the replacement, and I already told you about my vote on RB, not sure what was unclear about it. After that tn was about to be modkilled, so I had no reason to change it back, after you replaced I wanted to see how you'd act. Also it's ironic that you call my case BS, yet you made a case against me based on nothing but being uninformed.

Vote: Sakura

Sakura wrote:

I saw the vote count, i didnt read the votes on me, I only read the off-wagon votes and saw Drezi there, as his lone vote stands out like a sore thumb.

mmk you just so happened to only read the parts that help support your claims but all the other parts renamed unread. If you don't get lynched at this point town lost.

Currently townreading Sakura btw.

Ow ow, Sakura replaced let's all townread her now, better sheep her baseless scumread on me too.

Drezi wrote:

You're just being lazy here, I'm still on your wagon for all intents and purposes, I voted RB when I felt I had enough of a case against him too, for emphasis and a reaction, since before that he didn't bother to explains his reasons in detail and address my points properly.

It's never really fun to replace in and read all 40ish pages immediately. So I just don't like how you call someone lazy. Also since I explained my stuff, why don't you address it then?

NoHitter wrote:

Sakura's play is looking really town at the moment, yet there's the fact I was scumreading the slot.

Sakura: Would you lynch a slot which was initially scummy to you, but then whoever replaced it looked town to you?
(Actually, can everyone answer this too?)

Not really. I tend to base my reads on their play. So if they play bad, but get replaced and play good, I would switch my read accordingly. (or good and plays bad)

so idk Drezi, but you ask me to post my reason and you don't do anything because Sakura is here ok.


Some more stuff, but blah.

@Drezi, if you really wanted to help Sakura, why don't you summarize stuff for her instead of calling her lazy?

Oh. Consider that as my "probably last" post today since I will be gone today

Raging Bull wrote:

@Drezi, if you really wanted to help Sakura, why don't you summarize stuff for her instead of calling her lazy?

Because I wanted to see her own take on things, and I'm not liking the way she's going about it right now. Also things haven't been so simple, that could be summarized easily, plus you're defending her, why don't YOU do your best to help clear her then? I've been wanting to lynch the slot you know.

Raging Bull wrote:

It's never really fun to replace in and read all 40ish pages immediately. So I just don't like how you call someone lazy. Also since I explained my stuff, why don't you address it then?

Forming an opinion without learning about the case you're getting involved in is what's being lazy. Instead of arguing without knowing what's up, read about it.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also since I explained my stuff, why don't you address it then?

Well I've read your post, and everyone can see your reasons now so that's good, I posted mine long ago, at this point either you're scum, or we see things differently and we'd just be repeating ourselves, can't do much about that before a flip.

You should look at things from my PoV for once.
I replace into the game and get a town role PM.
I start reading and comment into stuff.
You call my post scummy and said that my predecessor was also scummy.
I counter your argument explaining what I was doing.
Vote Count pops in and I see you're voting someone else.
It pings me I vote you.

So basically for your argument about me voting you to work i'd have to have voted you as soon as I came in, but you were already discrediting me before I even finished catching up, and who's scared of a new pair of eyes looking over what's happened in a game? Hint: ----------SCUM--------

Sakura wrote:

So basically for your argument about me voting you to work i'd have to have voted you as soon as I came in

My argument works regardless of your timing, since there's no case where it's appropriate to scumpaint/vote without actually knowing the situation.

Sakura wrote:

and who's scared of a new pair of eyes looking over what's happened in a game? Hint: ----------SCUM--------

Yeah, well you started out good in this post, but lost me here.

I WANT TO HAVE YOUR EYES LOOKING OVER WHAT'S HAPPENNED, that's what I've been trying to tell you the whole time :'D

Just as I thought you read the thread claimed you thought everyone voting you was null-scum so if any of them push you into a corner you can use bad arguments to call them scum.

And that's what i'm doing, but as I said I didn't like how you attempted to discredit my initial catch up post because "ERMAGAWD READS ON CATCH UP POSTS" it's a pretty BS reaction because it reeks of scum trying to tie everything to a scum motivation to keep up their read of my predecessor since apparently it's not gonna be so easy to mislynch me anymore.

beeboy123 wrote:

Just as I thought you read the thread claimed you thought everyone voting you was null-scum so if any of them push you into a corner you can use bad arguments to call them scum.

So from my PoV everyone im scumreading while i'm catching up is attacking me, so they're obviously scum right?

I don't want to mislynch you, that's why I'd expect town-Sakura to be ISO-ing and reading the main points of the thread right now, and coming up with good posts once you know enough, instead of posting non-relevant way outdated reads for the second time, and still being here arguing without a foundation, trying to scumpaint me for scumreading the replacement of my scumread, when I don't like the way you start out.

Sakura wrote:

So from my PoV everyone im scumreading while i'm catching up is attacking me, so they're obviously scum right?

Ummm you shouldn't know they are scum reading you if you didn't read the votes count. Why does NH and Navi think this is town there is so much content in your posts that don't add up.

Sakura wrote:

You should look at things from my PoV for once.
I replace into the game and get a town role PM.
I start reading and comment into stuff.
You call my post scummy and said that my predecessor was also scummy.
I counter your argument explaining what I was doing.
Vote Count pops in and I see you're voting someone else.
It pings me I vote you.

So basically for your argument about me voting you to work i'd have to have voted you as soon as I came in, but you were already discrediting me before I even finished catching up, and who's scared of a new pair of eyes looking over what's happened in a game? Hint: ----------SCUM--------

Also basically for your argument to work you would have had to conveniently looked at the vote count and only see the Drezi vote and not all the bold off color red text.

I know I am recycling arguments but honestly this is driving me insane you must have read the vote count and why argue with us before you finish reading the thread or get a summary?

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura wrote:

So from my PoV everyone im scumreading while i'm catching up is attacking me, so they're obviously scum right?

Ummm you shouldn't know they are scum reading you if you didn't read the votes count. Why does NH and Navi think this is town there is so much content in your posts that don't add up.

Ok so
1) I'm scumreading you.
2) You're attacking me.
What does any of this have anything to do with the vote count and why do you keep bringing that up?

It's just way too convenient that your two scumreads (already after reading like 10 pages) happen to be 1) the one driving your wagon, so you can discredit the wagon as scum motivated 2) the other wagon target that needs just a little push to save you.

What are the odds..

Drezi wrote:

It's just way too convenient that your two scumreads (already after reading like 10 pages) happen to be 1) the one driving your wagon, so you can discredit the wagon as scum motivated 2) the other wagon target that needs just a little push to save you.

What are the odds..

I dont even know who started the wagon yet, however from where i'm reading it feels like town sephi so i'm rethinking my read on you.

Continuin Reading:
@SNB: You put Frostings and Sonatora as scum together, do you think they're distancing?.
Sonatora makes some IIoA post (srsly are you trying to make ppl scumread you on purpose? your playstyle is odd, can't tell if you're townie reaction testing or simply scum).
Frostings continues to make posts that have no content, not surprising that his reads have barely any reasoning behind them, why is anyone townreading this I hope this slot improves on the remaining pages or i'm gonna start thinking that Drezi's blatant buddying.
Navizel Beetlejuices... wow.
Setsuen starts acting like a kid.
@Frostings: So how exactly where you expecting SNB to react?
Navizel posts no content again...
If scumteam is srsly Frostings/Drezi/(Navizel/beeboy) I want MVP plz.

Setsuen wrote:

I'm going to restate this:I'm the ONLY ONE here who DOESN'T need to scum hunt bc I call out lurking scums or attack suspicious as heck scums/ they go for me EVENTUALLY ANYWAY.

You do realize that this is called scumhunting right?

Navizel wrote:

If I flip town in this game, please get the fuck out already and admit that your gut read isn't always right.

On the other hand, posts like this make me think Navizel might be town... halp!

DakeDekaane wrote:

Since when mafia is a gut based game?

Since osu!mafia, srsly I rarely ever see logic based arguments in here.

Sonatora wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

<snip>Vote: Setsuen

I dont need your toxicity in this game.

So you're policy lynching Set or are you legit scumreading him.
OMG I actually think sephi's town... orz

Up to page 17, gotta eat dinner so i'll continue soon

At this point it's either Sakura OR Drezi+RB scum team. Take your pick. Sakura OR RB.(I wouldn't put it pass RB to frame Drezi as his maf buddy by defending him) and no IDC if RB is also FOSing Drezi or something. RB is STILL defending Drezi against Sakura. In fact most of RB's FOS towards Drezi can't even be called FOSes. It's like a warning that says::plz step up the FOS on Sakura or you might be in trouble.

at this point I have to somewhat townread Sakura ONLY bc her way of defending herself is like mine when I made a mistake. AKA town "covering" up their mistakes.(which btw scum don't usually do bc they sux too much).

and it's QUITE WEIRD how beeboy123 suddenly got active and is ACTIVELY pushing a lynch on Sakura. Sure it's the Deadline date but isn't that TOO desperate? Also it seem like a copy of Nav play in Lupus. First you wait for your maf buddy to FOS THEN you join in on the FOSing. Seriously. The intention of how beeboy123 phrases his post is ALMOSY exactly the same as Nav in Lupus.

Drezi wrote:

It's just way too convenient that your two scumreads (already after reading like 10 pages) happen to be 1) the one driving your wagon, so you can discredit the wagon as scum motivated 2) the other wagon target that needs just a little push to save you.

What are the odds..

What are the odds of me getting a VT role PM as town unless I replace into the game? Seriously, ANY town not willing to look at theories being possible will NEVER help town win bc they will keep saying that X is not scum so X is not possible. Town not being flexible in its thinking is going to cause a town lose in this game soon enough.

2Sakura

That's not scumhunting. That's scum spotting. I spotted Nyquil as scum immediately in ChaosInDummyVille. So no it's not scumhunting. This is partly also because silly town will say you have no right to FOS Nyquil you r suspicious.(Hai Zexion nice FOS, also nice cop death D2)

Sakura wrote:

@SNB: You put Frostings and Sonatora as scum together, do you think they're distancing?.

Not sure if they are "distancing", but now they were lately putting up this hate-relationship act, kind of. Possible cover up for a possible scumteam.

@Setsuen: Technically you spotted them because something in their play pinged you, that's scum hunting, pursing players is also scumhunting because it generates reactions.
Only thing is that your way of scumhunting is different, not everyone scumhunts in the same way, heck even I've gotten scumreads via gut that turn out to be correct a lot as well, i just call them gut, because it's hard to explain but it's something in their play that pings me.
Either way whether your way of scumhunting is VERY different from everyone else's isn't the point, if you want to continue saying you don't need to scumhunt that's fine with me, but to me it's just you using a different method of scumhunting that differs from the way most people are used to.

Anyway im gonna continue with my catch up.

I'm completely tired so I won't bother posting anything serious today, sorry. Was busy in-game (and IRL), might try following the game some day soon, too.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sakura wrote:

@SNB: You put Frostings and Sonatora as scum together, do you think they're distancing?.

Not sure if they are "distancing", but now they were lately putting up this hate-relationship act, kind of. Possible cover up for a possible scumteam.

Might be a thing, what do you think of Drezi and beeboy?
P-Ed:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm completely tired so I won't bother posting anything serious today, sorry. Was busy in-game (and IRL), might try following the game some day soon, too.

oh ok, nvm.

@Setseun: btw deadline was extended by 24 hours so we still have time to discuss would you rather lynch Drezi with me, or wanna show me which posts of RB do you think are "fake FOS" because currently i have a townread on him.

Setsuen wrote:

Seriously, ANY town not willing to look at theories being possible will NEVER help town win bc they will keep saying that X is not scum so X is not possible.

I'm not willing to look into that possibility, cause I know that I'm town, so it's wrong lol. I also said even in this game earlier that we really shouldn't just rule out stuff that are still possible, but it doesn't mean that you should tunnel a random gutread just because it's among the numerous possibilities..