hi im scum please hug

You know, you arent really helping. Can you post your reads and explain why you read them as such?

No, I'm good, thanks.

Oh how nice.

sorry im apparently banned from mafia

Replacing out...

From sakura games

um..... should we just PL? I don't see TN's slot not being lynched this game after the I am scum comment.

Idk anymore

Being obvious scum is not a reason not to lynch, if isn't making use of it to make reads or anything.. if he keeps doing this as town he's playing against his wincon, so..

As for the PL stuff, as you could see it from both wagons, it's really easy to just join one of them, I still don't think initiating a PL as scum is such a big gain. It's a null tell in itself as far as I'm concerned.

And it isn't even a true PL, because the vote had a scummyness aspect to it aswell, not just pure "lynch useless player". It makes perfect sense to vote someone (and be okay with lynching them, unless a better case presents itself) who might be scum, but if not than we don't lose as much since their behavior is hurtful to town anyway.. (like TN right now?...) Rather than someone who is making sense, but drew some suspicion, a mislynch would hurt a lot more in that case.

sorry, prod dodging..
I'll post explanation to reads and stuff tomorrow, need sleep now

So we're divided on the ones who think tn is scum and the ones who thinks Frostings is.

And tbh I find a bit weird SNB jumping on Frostings' wagon, what made you join the wagon after looking a lot of people on it?

I never thought i see this day.
prod Setsuen

Hi. Going to post after school. Sorry.

Welp everyone prod dodge-ing. Well i still prefer Frosting lynch than tn.

DakeDekaane wrote:

And tbh I find a bit weird SNB jumping on Frostings' wagon, what made you join the wagon after looking a lot of people on it?

I've been null-scum reading them from the very start, remember. Lately it's been even worse.

Sure, my wagon-jumping post sounded really bad etc. omg, sorry about that.

Raging Bull wrote:

I never thought i see this day.
prod Setsuen

Game is too boring. How hard can it be for town to lynch. Since town isn't going to do anything, I'm not going to either. If town is planning on letting scum mislead them into MLing a town in the last 3days before DL, town deserve to lose for stupidity. I have better things to do such as watching shows than doing a Perpetual MyLo activity rerun. Also, since I last posted, NO decent info have been given out so I don't even need to comment on anything except for pure stupidity.

_____________________________________________

After reviewing BEFORE my last post 30hrs ago:

also @Frosting

"I'm still not removing my vote yet" is literally one of the stunts I would pull as mafia in EpicMafia. Although my forum mafia playstyle is different from my EM playstyle, I have found strange similarity between my scum play in EM and the scum play by mafia in forum mafia which is also why I FOSed Nyquil in ChaosInDummyville soooo easily.

DakeDekaane wrote:

I'm not sheeping anyone, I could like vote immediately and only go for what certain person says, I'm doing my own conclusions based on what I read, that and a bit of OMGUS.

Sonatora may be a good candidate for PL, but I think we should go for who is scummier.

Also anyone using it to town read DD need to cross it off bc I smell something scummy about it. Obv you need to look VERY deeply into the HIDDEN intention behind what he typed.

Also I expect a LIST of possible scum team combination from these people:
1.Gumica
2.beeboy123
3.Navizel
4.NoHitter


10/10 if we lynch off Scum D1 and I survive N1, the game will be close to solved via super paranoid POE and this info.
Scum combination should have 3People in it bc 2ppl scum team are literally unheard of in a 12P game.

Now state every single possible scum team you four. Or Else.

Setsuen wrote:

also @Frosting

"I'm still not removing my vote yet" is literally one of the stunts I would pull as mafia in EpicMafia. Although my forum mafia playstyle is different from my EM playstyle, I have found strange similarity between my scum play in EM and the scum play by mafia in forum mafia which is also why I FOSed Nyquil in ChaosInDummyville soooo easily.

Something you would do if you were scum doesn't mean shit
If I were town, I wouldn't be posting lengthy walls every post unless it was necessary. But you're doing it, and that doesn't mean you aren't town

@RB Despite my null-scum reads on others, I still didn't have a good enough reason to unvote Sona. I would lynch a null-read who didn't post shit over a null-scum read which I may have read as such because of one or two posts

explanations of my reads in a sec

TOWN
Setsuen - he's consistent with all his other town plays from previous games, and no scum in their right mind would post walls of that magnitude for so long
Gumica - I can see the town drive in his posts, his posts are consistent, nothing stands out for me from him
Drezi - went from null to town because this post. If he was scum, there is no advantage of posting this

NULL-TOWN
Navizel - same points as Gumica, will probably go to townread if he remains consistent
RB - despite scumreading me, he's still trying to scumhunt I guess. Town if he keeps doing so

NULL
SNB, NH - still don't know about these guys yet...
Sona - explained

NULL-SCUM
beeboy, Dake - both these guys' posts are actually terrible. Reading through the last two pages of their ISO you get barely any information from them

SCUM
tn - lurking, random vote and unvote on Sephi, posts don't contribute to anything. If he somehow flips town I don't know what to say....

Frostings wrote:

Drezi - went from null to town because this post. If he was scum, there is no advantage of posting this

You don't lose much as scum by stopping a lynch D1 you also gain a lot from not following a wagon since if you flip town Drezi will look innocent for trying to defend you and if Drezi flips scum people will believe you are scum due to the relationship the 2 of you had. Unless it is MyLo or LyLo you can't say that stopping or slowing down a lynch makes someone town.

All of your scum reads are due to people not posting content. did anything posted so far feel odd to you?

Setsuen wrote:

Now state every single possible scum team you four. Or Else.

No idea who would be working with who at this point in the game sorry :/

Can anyone with < 5 day old reads please update us with your current thoughts on the game.

Vote Count 1.09

[5] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane, Static Noise Bird (L-2)
[4] tn5421 -- Navizel, Drezi, beeboy123, Frostings
[1] Raging Bull -- Setsuen
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Gumica, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6). 9 hours reduced due to prods.

Gumica, NoHitter, and Sonatora have been prodded.

I will not replace tn5421 yet, but if he doesn't post within 12 hours, I will look for a replacement. This will not affect the deadline.

Town
Setsuen
RB

Null-Town
NH

Null
Sona
Dake
Navi

Null-Scum
beeboy
Frostings

Scum
Drezi OR Gumica. I can't tell which one, but they both probably are not. I'll expect tn or Frostings to be either one's partner.
Oh yeah, that leads to the most important read:

Lurkfuck
tn

@snb what did navi do to go from null-scum to null?

Nothing in particular. He had some suspicious posts (I guess?), but I haven't paid too much attention lately, which would probably mean that he hasn't been posting that kind of posts.

Responding to prod.
Like I said, I'll be busy probably until Friday. I'll try to make a post on Thursday summarizing what happened so far.

V/LA until Thursday.

Hi sorry. I was busy yesterday and I wasn't at home.

[Town]
/

[Null-town]
DakeDekaane
SephibroDrezi

[Null]
beeboy123
Sonatora
Navizel
SNB
Setsuen


[Null-scum]
NoHitter
tn5421
Raging Bull

[Scum]
Frostings


Anyways, my reads haven't really changed all that much. Differences are as follows;
- I find Drezi's post a lot more townalike
- I have a distaste for Frostings PL idea.
- I nullified Setsuen and Sonatora

Sonatora still with his fixing the clusterfuck
Setsuen still scum reading me
Still scumreading tn

Anything new?

People not wanting to push any lynch is really bothering me as in, they don't get enough pressure to look how they react, neither people caring about finding scum.

Town: NH, Drezi
Probably town: RB, Setsuen, Navizel, Gumica
Null: Sonatora, beeboy
Probably scum: tn, Frostings, SNB

The ones I considered probably town are there because I don't find anything scummy through their ISOs and VCA.

At this point I say we should push for a lynch on any of the common scum reads, as we are really stuck.

Frosting

Lol at setsuen. If its boring, do something. Kinda obvious since you tell us that.

Explain it to me why Frostings over TN.

Read my posts detailing why I think tn is the best choice, why I don't like the Frostings lynch, and adress those points.

BTW I'm ok with SNB too as a compromise, but most of you don't seem to have picked up on that so it's probably not an option now.

How are you guys still scumreading me...

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting

FoS: RB
This isn't even about scumhunting anymore. It's scumpainting. I've been trying my best to stop this mislynch and answering every question thrown at me as best as I can and you still want to push this lynch?

Gumica wrote:

- I have a distaste for Frostings PL idea.

I have a conflicting opinion than you, therefore I must be scum
Meanwhile there are at least three others who haven't contributed to anything this game, but you'd rather lynch me for a single PL-vote

beeboy123 wrote:

@snb what did navi do to go from null-scum to null?

Pretty random question, what was the reason for this?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Scum
Drezi OR Gumica. I can't tell which one, but they both probably are not. I'll expect tn or Frostings to be either one's partner.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).

So you want to lynch those that look town because they are probably scum, over the ones that look scum..?

Raging Bull wrote:

Welp everyone prod dodge-ing. Well i still prefer Frosting lynch than tn.

Yeah, let's lynch me over the person who explicitly stated that he is scum, refused to give his reads, and is now lurking

Raging Bull wrote:

Lol at setsuen. If its boring, do something. Kinda obvious since you tell us that.

1.Town don't appareciate my accurate reads
2.Town decide to ignore my reads because they don't trust my reasons for my reads
3.Town is being stupid and letting scum lead them instead of sheeping me
4.Why should I try if town is so ridiculously stubborn and sheeping scum this game

Also the only one who is FINALLY conf town at THIS point other than me of course, is Gumica who is STILL null reading me BECAUSE any SANE Scum woudl be town,null-town reading me by now. Like I said, my reads CAN change and my reads near the END of D1 is the most accurate.

@DD how is Navizel prob town for stating stuff already mentioned. Just LOOK CAREFULLY AT NAVIZEL'S ISO OMG. Seriously the ONLY reason you CAN put Nav in prob town is ONLY when SNB,Frosting,tn5421 AND Sonatora is so scummy that Navizel had to go into null-town bc of it. If no, there is absolutely no reason why Navizel should be in null-town.

vote:tn5421

At this point I don't care anymore. bc if tn doesn't flip scum, Town is going to lynch off Frosting. Unfortunately, NOT BEFORE scum nightkill me off if there's no doc this game.

Also Lupus rerun: Y/N. With town evently split between two wagons.

beeboy123 wrote:

All of your scum reads are due to people not posting content. did anything posted so far feel odd to you?

1. RB pushing a lynch on me
2. SNB's scumreads
3. Your question to SNB about Navi

probably more, but that's what I can think of at the top of my head right now

Setsuen so funny. Lalalalalalalalala

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

Frostings wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

@snb what did navi do to go from null-scum to null?

Pretty random question, what was the reason for this?

Because Navi posted nothing that would make him seem more town from the time when SNB had an FoS on Navi and the time of SNB's reads.

Frostings wrote:

1. RB pushing a lynch on me
2. SNB's scumreads
3. Your question to SNB about Navi

1. Trying to lynch you doesn't make someone scum
2. What is wrong with SNB's scumreads?
3. Already answered

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

Ya because screw content AmIRite? Even if at times his posts can be long Setsuen is making the game more enjoyable. Regardless of the quality I'd prefer to have discussion over people posting read lists every other day that are 90% null and 10% wagons.

Cause you are obnoxious Setsuen. If you become humble, people would listen more.

@drezi, ill post later since im on my phone.

Frostings wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).

So you want to lynch those that look town because they are probably scum, over the ones that look scum..?

Never said that, never voted either. Again, it's just my shitty "gut read", suspicion over looking overly townish.

Oh, and thanks for reminding, Navi should still fit under the Null-Scum category for me. I forgot the PL stuff and what not.

Frostings, I havent voted yet, so I don't know why you're accussing me of trying to lynch a PL-er. I' only scumreading you based on your action, but really I'm just deciding between you and the lurkers at this point.

Vote Count 1.10

[5] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane, Static Noise Bird (L-2)
[5] tn5421 -- Navizel, Drezi, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-2)
[0] Raging Bull --
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Gumica, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

NoHitter is V/LA until tomorrow.

tn5421 is being replaced.

What I really want to know is this:

@tn; WHY are you being so inactive and not posting?

"tn5421 is being replaced."

>Being replaced
meaning he's still in the game for now, until a replacement posts.

This game is like a rollercoaster, but without the ups and downs.

But don't expect him to post, no matter how much "in the game" he still is.

Sorry, i have a test today and was unable to post when i got home since i needed to study more.

@drezi i dont understand why you want tn either. It seems like you want tn lynch cause he is playing against his wincon, but you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing. And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Or lynch tn for his behavior＊

You keep dodgeing the question. And this isn't the first time you avoid the matter. You say you don't like my vote on TN, I explain it in detail and you keep saying stuff like he's too obvious of a scum to lynch, I refute that point and you still don't give a proper explanation on why Frostings over TN.

Raging Bull wrote:

you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing.

Never said that - on the contrary I found it reasonable that Frostings placed such a vote, where the target is scummy and PL worthy aswell. TN is in the same ballpark, but with a valid case against him (not only slight scummyness) in addition to the PL worthy behavior...

Oh yeah, I said scum doesn't really gain anything by PL-ing and you took it as we.

Vote: Raging Bull

@mod: Prods


I will wait for a reply before I decide if I want to FoS RBull

@Dake what are your thoughts on RBull?

DakeDekaane wrote:

This game is like a rollercoaster, but without the ups and downs.

Thanks Dake, I saw a bird today.

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?


I'd also like to point out that with the prod penalties cutting our daytime, anyone who is suddenly inactive may be trying to exploit this to give less time for town

-6 hours of discussion time in exchange for 2 days of being inactive is not worth the effort for a scum.

beeboy123 wrote:

-6 hours of discussion time in exchange for 2 days of being inactive is not worth the effort for a scum.

2 days of inactivity requires 0 effort.
and half these towns STILL won't find them suspicious
like look at Sonatora...

2 days of inactivity will make people suspect you tn is being voted for being inactive atm.

Sonatora is getting replaced or modkilled now that he has 3x prods

Sorry. I was away because personal reasons
anyways #reads

TOWN-
Drezi: Has town motivations in his/her posts. But I'm still holding grudges
Setsuen- Please can you be polite

NULLTOWN-
SNB- Pretty much a town until that bandwagon post
Dake- Town motifs, but not enough
Navizel- Fluffing
Raging Bull- I'm fine with this guy. Although there's much more alternatives than arguing with drezi

NULL TO NULLSCUM-
Gumica- Gee, thanks for the null
tn- where are you. I need your reads
beeboy- give me a decent post and i might change my image on you

SCUM-
Frostings- I dont need any arguments in this one. Besides, it's already painfully obvious at this point of the game that Frosting's a scum

Getting on my conclusion, I therefore hypothesize

FoS: SNB

Sonatora wrote:

SCUM-
Frostings- I dont need any arguments in this one. Besides, it's already painfully obvious at this point of the game that Frosting's a scum

ok buddy.

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

1. RB pushes for a lynch against me for being the only one to vote Sona for so long
2. RB and Sona refuses to vote for tn
3. Sona STILL dodging every question and doesn't provide explanations
4:

tn5421 wrote:

I can do you one better than that, setsuen.

Vote: SephiBRO

Post and I'll consider removing this.

Sonatora wrote:

Vote: Sephibro

Lemme help ya there tn-senpai

tn5421 wrote:

Sonatora what are you even doing?

Raging Bull wrote:

Man vote frosting. He hates you.

Sonatora wrote:

Nah, I'm fine with him

tn5421 wrote:

Unvote

Not comfortable putting someone at L-1 without getting some kind of response first.

This is pretty much an exchange amongst scum...

My reads now (in a spectrum from town to scum)

TOWN

Drezi
Setsuen
Gumica
Navizel
NoHitter
beeboy123
SNB
Dake
RB
Sona
tn

SCUM

and with Frosting post here are Some fact for everyone:Anyone considering an SNB lynch have to wait until D3 bc I say so and bc lynching SNB now provide 0 info for town.

D1 lynch s between tn5421 & Frosting
D2 Lynch is between RB & DD bc they are most likely of different alignment. If you think one of them is town, just vote the other.
D3 Lynch is between SNB & Navizel.

Sonatora will probably ONLY be lynched if we lynched off 2scums and have no idea who is the last one.


Also FOS:Nav for LURKING. Yes you are lurking. I'm starting to think Nav was ONLY posting at the start to avoid a newbie mafia where I called him out D1 for lurking and he had to "profusely" deny it. Then, he thought he was SAFE for being called as a lurker. Sorry it doesn't happen this way. You might be avoiding the lynch D1, but you're going to be the lynch target pretty soon if you lurk more.

Alright, Frostings is FINALLY making good points. I guess this is a good thing, unless he after all is one of the scum family members.

Unvote for now, also.

Well I don't know about the 4th reason, but the other ones sound rather obvious now that I think about them.

Good reason for tn to get replaced - can't take the pressure and accusations of lurking am I right ladies?

Because the game is "boring"

Derp FOS lol

Also, you didn't post anything for 27 hours too and you probably saw me browsing the forum which means you're lurking too so screw you

Navizel wrote:

Also, you didn't post anything for 27 hours too and you probably saw me browsing the forum which means you're lurking too so screw you

lol at least I'm providing FOS and theories instead of hey you're lurking too omg~ as an excuse for lurking. All you're doing is restating what HAS been stated by OTHERS.(and for YOUR info, the focus on lurking was started by me) and then you're giving posts that are VERY close to one-liners.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Well I don't know about the 4th reason, but the other ones sound rather obvious now that I think about them.

Good reason for tn to get replaced - can't take the pressure and accusations of lurking am I right ladies?

Are u srs. I might ask to be replaced if town lets scum get away with some of the bs they been saying and I'm not even scum.

Navizel wrote:

Also, you didn't post anything for 27 hours too and you probably saw me browsing the forum which means you're lurking too so screw you

Nope. Lets see first I was hooked on MasterChef and watched S4+5 then 3. Then anime was out and I only watched most of them yesterday. They I had to play on a MMO wasting my time THEN I went to raise my CTB rank up by farming PP by HR+HDing Normal CTB diff oh wow I am tot on the forum lurking when I really only have firefox on with the forum in one tab. Much wow.

Also can this game plz end b4 Survivor+Amazing race comes up near Sep22. kthx. Also Nav at this point I'm TownRaeded by almost everyone. I can lurk all I want bc I can self-clear myself as hidden power VT BC my hidden power HAS to do something(Irony here, I'm posting MUCH more than a LOT of other people). You on the other hand can't and lurking = LYNCH.

Setsuen wrote:

Are u srs.

No. No I'm not. Glad that someone asked before I have to leave to school.

Drezi wrote:

And scum has nothing to gain by trying to push a PL, it's not even like a scum partner needed saving or anything, scum can just join any wagon and lynch off a scummy townie, why would they pull shit like this.

Okay my bad. And yea, i didnt mean to dodge question but i dont like to post a lot on phone. As for the "we" part, you might as town read me for p/3364372/. We is a term i use meaning me and everyone. If you see it as a scum slip so be it, but im not gonna argue over my choice of words.

Stuff like using "we" is actually town like to me as it shows that you aren't carefully reading each one of your posts like what you would do as scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

As for the "we" part, you might as town read me for http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3364372/. We is a term i use meaning me and everyone. If you see it as a scum slip so be it, but im not gonna argue over my choice of words.

It's kinda different though, because here the usage of we suggests that when I said "scum has nothing to gain" you unconciously remembered the gist of my post as "he said we don't have anything to gain".

But as I made it clear from my post, this isn't the end-all be-all argument, just one of the things I noticed.

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?


Yes, but it was because drezi said there isnt much gain as scum that i said its possible to be town read easier.

More like i didnt read your post till i quote it.

Vote Count 1.11

[4] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora, DakeDekaane (L-3)
[4] tn5421 -- Navizel, beeboy123, Frostings, Setsuen (L-3)
[1] Raging Bull -- Drezi
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Gumica, Static Noise Bird, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 9:00 AM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly more than 24 hours from now.

NoHitter's V/LA is considered over as of this vote count.
If a replacement for tn5421 is not found by the time I'm home from work tomorrow (should be roughly 12 hours before deadline, or about 19.5 hours from this post), then the slot will be modkilled. Due to modkill being from lack of replacement, it will end the day regardless of alignment rather than what would most affect the alignment.

Raging Bull wrote:

More like i didnt read your post till i quote it.

Well right after my post you said:

Raging Bull wrote:

@drezi, PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum,wwhen scum themselves know they are lynching town.

So it appears that you got my post just right.

But either way, why Frostings over tn remains unanswared. No throwing back the ball at me, I want your reasons.

I think we should just wait for tn to get modkilled. I doubt someone is going to replace a player nearing death.

I suddenly woke up at 3:48 dammit. My writing is probably derpy

haha no. If tn5421 is scum and is waiting to be modkilled it's obvious he's trying to cut off discussion. Town SHOULD discuss as much as possible before the mod kill happen before the mod kill happens.

So suiciding? Better for town if he is scum.

Drezi wrote:

Wtf guys, we totally shouldn't lynch Frostings here. I had been nullreading him and leaning towards town now, since he explained the situation, and what he said is just what I was thinking on my own too - before his explanation, so really, I don't get why you're freaking out over that PL vote. Sona is not a conf town to me just because that giving up stuff, and even Frostings said that it's simply an "until better candidate appears" vote.

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.
If you're scumreading him, sure but THIS shouldn't be the main reason.

Why the hell would we lynch Frost when we have TN here, who didn't even bother to adress my post against him, and still hasn't posted anything relevant.
Hell I'd sooner Lynch SNB, like seriously I sooo don't like this post:

Because I don't think he's scum. It's almost pretty much the reason why you disagree with me and Frosting. In fact, I feel his rage is genuine for being banned from Sakura game and requesting replacement.

Drezi wrote:

Being obvious scum is not a reason not to lynch, if isn't making use of it to make reads or anything.. if he keeps doing this as town he's playing against his wincon, so..
When you play as scum, its usually a given you don't want attention. Sure there are people that grab attention early on, but it doesn't happen often. I already had a good scum read and a null read on tn which is why I also don't want him lynched.

As for the PL stuff, as you could see it from both wagons, it's really easy to just join one of them, I still don't think initiating a PL as scum is such a big gain. It's a null tell in itself as far as I'm concerned.

I guess this is where you might be confused. I guess people freaked out the PL, but to me it seemed like he knew Sonatora was town. And also like I stated earlier. PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum, when scum themselves know they are lynching town. That itself is a big gain because
1) People would think they were "scumhunting" and it would make it seem more likely people would read them as town
2) It helps helps scum by finding a reason to vote instead of just hopping on a wagon.


And it isn't even a true PL, because the vote had a scummyness aspect to it aswell, not just pure "lynch useless player". It makes perfect sense to vote someone (and be okay with lynching them, unless a better case presents itself) who might be scum, but if not than we don't lose as much since their behavior is hurtful to town anyway.. (like TN right now?...) Rather than someone who is making sense, but drew some suspicion, a mislynch would hurt a lot more in that case.
Whose vote had scummyness aspect?

Frostings wrote:

How are you guys still scumreading me...

Raging Bull wrote:

Frosting

FoS: RB
This isn't even about scumhunting anymore. It's scumpainting. I've been trying my best to stop this mislynch and answering every question thrown at me as best as I can and you still want to push this lynch? I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

Drezi wrote:

You keep dodgeing the question. And this isn't the first time you avoid the matter. You say you don't like my vote on TN, I explain it in detail and you keep saying stuff like he's too obvious of a scum to lynch, I refute that point and you still don't give a proper explanation on why Frostings over TN.
Honestly, you refute it based on "too obvious not to lynch" which is just the same as mine "too obvious for a lynch" because it's based on personal play style. Sometime too obvious is suspicious itself and sometimes too obvious itself is stupid thing to do as scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

you are essentially PLing him and you said we gain nothing by PLing.

Never said that - on the contrary I found it reasonable that Frostings placed such a vote, where the target is scummy and PL worthy aswell. TN is in the same ballpark, but with a valid case against him (not only slight scummyness) in addition to the PL worthy behavior...

Oh yeah, I said scum doesn't really gain anything by PL-ing and you took it as we.
Went over this already earlier.
Vote: Raging Bull

Frostings wrote:

2. RB and Sona refuses to vote for tn

Disagreeing on who we vote should not make me scum.

Setsuen post make no sense as always.

Depending on Frosting flip if he gets lynched, I would assume Drezi would be his partner. If Frosting is town, then Drezi would be conf town to me.

Basically I vote frosting after Sonatora seemed more town to me because of his retarded self vote. Then after questioning Frosting a bit, he wonders why I single him out even though I've been stating it for a while I think Sonatora and Frosting may be buddies. After a while that PL quote thing happened where it seemed like he knew Sonatora was town. Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Frostings wrote:

Yeah, let's lynch me over the person who explicitly stated that he is scum, refused to give his reads, and is now lurking

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else, who already asked for a replacement aka not playing/no intention to play.

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

And it may be easy for scum to start a wagon but if they lead it, they would be read as town easier so there is an incentive to start a wagon.

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?

idk if I posted this, but what is this for again?

I'd also like to point out that with the prod penalties cutting our daytime, anyone who is suddenly inactive may be trying to exploit this to give less time for town

Felt like trying to act more town now. I already stated that people should just post at least a prod dodge to prevent losing time.

Setsuen wrote:

haha no. If tn5421 is scum and is waiting to be modkilled it's obvious he's trying to cut off discussion. Town SHOULD discuss as much as possible before the mod kill happen before the mod kill happens.

then discuss something instead of waiting.

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

It's time for that summary post from where I last left off with a substantial post! (i.e. when I voted)
LONG POST WARNING Normally I don't wall, but this is a catch up post...

wtf at the sudden bandwagon with little justification on Frostings. If tn is scum, I think other scumpartners decided to jump this wagon to offer a viable counterwagon given how fast it formed.

Frostings wrote:

Yes, actually I would PL a town. It's only D1, about three or four people scumread Sona and he already started talking about giving up. He basically refused to give his reads until RB pretty much forced him to. Even AFTER people townread him because of his terrible play, he STILL wanted to lynch himself. Sure we could try scum hunting, which I'm not suggesting we shouldn't do, but if we don't get anywhere then I'm suggesting Sona as an option. We could try letting Sona live for D2~D3 but obviously he isn't going to contribute and be pretty much useless.

Wouldn't attempting to lynch someone who MAY be scum better than someone who you think is probably town but will be useless later? I mean, no matter how useless someone is, it's in our better interest to lynch scum always. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than lynch someone who I think is town. I don't quite know Sona's playstyle but I can't imagine it being that bad.

Drezi is defending Frostings. I believe this is a null tell though. I've seen scum defend town and vice versa (though the latter is rare).

beeboy wrote:

Tn literally just came here said 2, 1 line posts and is probably gone for 24 hours.

I would have to agree here. This falls heavily back on the flaking argument I mentioned earlier.

Raging Bull wrote:

Tn makes it way too obvious as scum, so he doesnt convince me.

As of his recent posts, yes I would kind of agree on him being scummy, but how do you define "way too obvious"?

And tn asks for a replacement. Apparently because he thought he was banned from future osu! games? Null read here since both scum and town may have reasons for replacing out at this stage.

beeboy wrote:

um..... should we just PL? I don't see TN's slot not being lynched this game after the I am scum comment.

I believe his comment was more of a reaction to RB's "he's way too obvious scum" post. I'm not entirely sure about how you kind of twisted the meaning and intent of the post.

RB wrote:

prod Setsuen

... Am I dreaming right now???

Setsuen comes and posts things which I skimmed through. Something about scum being in a group of four people, then going off to vote someone outside of those four people in his next post. (See, I'm not PL-ing Setsuen despite me thinking he's town and him playing badly)

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

This pinged me a bit here. Bargaining with scum like this (even in a jokingly manner) feels like something only scum would do.

And we have a possible tn modkill if no replacement wants to come up.

-End of catch up post-

Oh hey the post wasn't THAT long.

TOWN
RB
Dake
Drezi
Setsuen

NULL TOWN
Sonatora

NULL
Gumica
SNB

NULL SCUM
beeboy123
Navizel

SCUM
Frostings
tn

I'll be back before the deadline for a final post.
/me goes back to studying.

Navizel wrote:

If scum could kill Setsuen N1, that would be great :>

this sounded a bit terrible too. Didn't notice that there's another meaning behind it. Thanks NH

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

So uh.

What the shit.

HoS Sona hurr durr

I saw a bird today. It's a parrot actually.

At least I'm not the only one scumreading beeboy

prod dodge, will be active more tomorrow

Raging Bull wrote:

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.

I meant regardless of Sona's alignment, his behaviour is going to hurt town

Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

I'm town and I was at L-2. What else am I supposed to do? Lurk and do nothing?

Raging Bull wrote:

Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Because I'm trying to defend myself and you refuse to look for alternatives, while real scum are probably lurking until the deadline to force a mislynch

Raging Bull wrote:

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else

OBVIOUSLY I'm trying to redirect the votes. What the hell.

Raging Bull wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Didn't you yourself start a wagon against me?

idk if I posted this, but what is this for again?

You're telling me that scum has an incentive to start a wagon because they will be more easily read as town, but you yourself started a wagon against me. So this point is invalid

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Possible scumteam: RB Sona tn

OH GEE SURE TAGGING SOMEONE THAT HAS AN OBVIOUS TOWNREP FOR ME IS SURE SCUMMY. HOW FUCKING ILLITERATE

GuyInFreezer wrote:

1. Always remember that Mafia is a team game!

you can thank me later punk

ok, Sona. ok.

No Hitter wrote:

Wouldn't attempting to lynch someone who MAY be scum better than someone who you think is probably town but will be useless later? I mean, no matter how useless someone is, it's in our better interest to lynch scum always. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than lynch someone who I think is town. I don't quite know Sona's playstyle but I can't imagine it being that bad.

First, Sona isn't "probably town". And sure, we could take a shot in the dark. 3/11 = 27.3% chance of hitting scum, maybe 2/11 or 3/11 of hitting useful PR, but I know with 90%+ certainty that Sona's behaviour is going to hurt town. Just read through the last page of his ISO right now...
I was suggesting Sona lynch because I didn't have much information yet, it would put town at a better mentality for D2+ and I don't like taking shots in the dark...

No Hitter wrote:

Drezi is defending Frostings. I believe this is a null tell though. I've seen scum defend town and vice versa (though the latter is rare).

Hmm. Now that I think about it in Drezi's point of view, if he were scum, defending one town in a split-vote scenario would probably be useful
1. D1 lynch tn -> flips town
2. D2 start a wagon against me, and even if I flip town, Drezi wouldn't seem suspicious

unlikely but possible

3-4 people walling and Setsuen isn't one of them. What is going on

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

It started off with me voting him after I felt Frosting was more scum than Sonatora. Questioned his vote on Sonatora and he stated he rather PL Sonatora due to his behavior hurts town later in game. It sounded as if he knew Sonatora was town, which was even more suspicious.

I meant regardless of Sona's alignment, his behaviour is going to hurt town
Yes, you mentioned it a lot.

Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that answering every question people give out = free ticket out? Seems desperate to survive already.

I'm town and I was at L-2. What else am I supposed to do? Lurk and do nothing?
No, it's the fact that you even bring it up. Answering every question doesn't mean you question why we aren't unvoting you.

Raging Bull wrote:

Unsure why Frosting thinks that answering all questions = no reason to lynch me.

Because I'm trying to defend myself and you refuse to look for alternatives, while real scum are probably lurking until the deadline to force a mislynch
You're my main suspect so far and lynching you and depending on your flip would make me read Sonatora and Drezi differently. I have nothing for TN since he himself posted little content and has done nothing so we can't even analyze anything on his post for D2. Tell me the benefit for tn lynch then. What if he is town?

Raging Bull wrote:

This makes it feel like he's trying to redirect his current voters to someone else

OBVIOUSLY I'm trying to redirect the votes. What the hell.
who already asked for replacement/basically doesn't want to play the game anymore? More like personal style, but I don't touch V/LA or requesting replacement people since they can't even defend themselves since they would be lynched easier.

Frostings wrote:

You're telling me that scum has an incentive to start a wagon because they will be more easily read as town, but you yourself started a wagon against me. So this point is invalid
But I'm not scum? Or rather I probably still do not understand here. I think that was for Drezi because he said that scum can just hop on any wagon instead of trying to lead a lynch.

@NH, can't explain it, but for tn it was his posts. Gathering lots of attention, getting prods often only responding to said prod, then stated he was scum and refused to help out was the biggest one for me. It was before he stated for replacement.

tbh at this point, im suspicious of people who did not vote. I think Gumica and SNB. It's possible for scum to just do nothing at this point and wait for modkill since they don't have to join either frosting or tn wagon.