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Madoka Magica Mafia - The Cycle Continues

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NoHitter
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3,785 posts
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NoHitter
I had a read post but then browser decided to screw me over.

tl;dr of that post

RB, Dake and Setsuen in town
Sonatora in null-town
beeboy is null-scum. Reasons below.
Everyone else in null

RB: So you also think Sona is scum? Since your reason for Frosting-scum is distancing with Sona.

So about those reasons re:null scum.
It's already been established that arguing with Setsuen is pointless. IMO you should even do that if he personally calls you out. The problem here is that beeboy commented on something Setsuen said that wasn't referring to him any way re:one liners = scum (and in a parroty and sarcastic manner too). Basically it looks a bit of padding post counts to look like contribution.
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
Read beeboy's ISO and apparently, he's not ok with lynching someone for bad play (Sonatora's) but he's fine with killing tn because of his inactivity. I don't get the non-mods thing. Probably nonPRs?
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
Town: NH
Null-town: RB, Dake, wall maria, Drezi/Sephi
Null-scum: beeboy, tn, Sonatora
Null: everyone else
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
Indecisive peopel need to have a Scum read by now instead of 23423842 null-scum read seriously.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'd appreciate it if you stopped harassing people for no reason. Unless you're scum. In which case that's actually your job and you should in fact continue it. But don't mind me voting you soon if that's how it is.
What is this even. I WILL harass/tunnel ANYONE as long as I think they're scum. 10/10 you're asking Frosting to stop pestering you when you can jollywell ignore it and prove that you're town by scumhunting and THEN turning the attention back to Frosting after you establish yourself as a town. Of course, this is unlike me who CAN argue about it bc as stated no need to scum hunt. I'm a special case. Scum plz argue with me moar dun avoid me or I'll call you out for lurking!


@NH
If you look carefully at ISO you'll find out a lot of OTHER people one liner can be considered '"padding post count to make it look like they contributed"

Navizel wrote:

Read beeboy's ISO and apparently, he's not ok with lynching someone for bad play (Sonatora's) but he's fine with killing tn because of his inactivity. I don't get the non-mods thing. Probably nonPRs?
Glad to see SOMEONE ELSE who forgot what they said. You claimed mod at like the start of the game. or did you forget?............

Navizel wrote:

Setsuen is actually scum 8DD

Navizel is actually a mod 8DDDDDDD
10/10 forgetfulness. Should I start suspecting Nav+Frosting more for FORGETTING what they stated at the start of the game? Even I can remember my 2-shoto CL fakeclaim until now z.z
beeboy123
183 posts
Joined June 2013
beeboy123
I don't like how setsuen complains about indecisiveness yet was lynching someone who is null scum

I was trying to provoke tn to try and make him play
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Yes NH, I've been stating that for few days. There was something with Frostings "mad at Sonatora" post. When I voted Sonatora, it seemed like he focused more on Frosting post than my reason for scum reading him.

@frosting, Are you still voting for Sonatora because he was useless? Agree on beeboy though. It looks to me his post doesnt have content.


@beeboy post your reads. I dont think you have yet.

My reads are mostly unchanged, but i do like gumicas play, but too bad hes arguing with setsuen. Genuine annoyance cause shit, I hate Setsuens behavior. Also liked drezis post. Idk about vote on tn. Tn came in and did some stuff that looked good like questioning why votes on him when he came back and questioning Sonatora for instant sheeping.

Putting gumica in null town for now and drezi/tn below gumica. Idk much about others still
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

beeboy123 wrote:

I don't like how setsuen complains about indecisiveness yet was lynching someone who is null scum

I was trying to provoke tn to try and make him play

I was decisive enough to try and lynch a null-scum read. What is wrong with you even trying to argue about me complaining about indecisiveness.
beeboy123
183 posts
Joined June 2013
beeboy123
My reads are still being shipped please wait
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.07

[3] tn5421 -- Navizel, DakeDekaane, Drezi (L-4)
[1] Drezi -- Sonatora
[1] Frostings -- Raging Bull
[1] Raging Bull -- Setsuen
[1] Sonatora -- Frostings
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- beeboy123, Gumica, NoHitter, Static Noise Bird, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 6:00 PM CST (GMT-6).

DakeDekaane, Gumica, and Sonatora have been prodded. With the amount of prods I've had to send out so far, the deadline will start being hit for every prod I have to send out in the future, three hours each.
AutoMedic
1,166 posts
Joined April 2014
AutoMedic
Unvote
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
why unvote?

looks like unvoted for activity
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings
@RB: huh, I thought I had my vote on someone else. No reason to unvote just yet though
Sona do you feel like contributing or do you still think lynching yourself is better for town?

Also now scumreading DakeDake because he is useless

Still not sure what to think of Drezi, any scum can easily make a seemingly pro-town post like that
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings
Oh yeah I FoS'd tn without voting him
tn, why only mention my use of spoilers while ignoring everything else that's been going on? I'd also like you to explain your vote and unvote on Sephibro

My spoiler contained no game-relevant information by the way, usually I avoid covering important information with a spoiler
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Let me elaborate a bit more on my vote on tn.

tn5421 wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Less rants more content pls
Because you don't actually have a reason to be voting me anymore, but want to leave your vote on and hope it gets forgotten.

Why, I don't know. But it's strange that you would say it's explicitly a lurker vote and then not remove it when your target isn't lurking anymore.
He posts a few after a long hiatus, and is upset that a vote on him hasn't been removed right away? Just because he returned, it doesn't change the reason for him being voted, namely that he HAD BEEN lurking, and if he planned on being active after that he shouldn't worry about Dake changing his opinion on his own with time. Even Dake told him to rant less about being voted, and post more content, but he keeps arguing the same point instead.

After that he still is on the defensive, questioning all the votes on him nothing more.
Then Setsuen asks him to vote Sephi if he's town and he does so right away..

tn5421 wrote:

I can do you one better than that, setsuen.
Vote: SephiBRO
Post and I'll consider removing this.
If he's town why doesn't he try to contribute instead of complaining about votes on him, and why does he try to gain town cred by sheeping Setsuen when asked, trying to get on his good side? Also he bargains right away at the same time "Post and I'll consider removing this"..

And even though he voted as Setsuen asked without thinking, he questions Sonatora for sheeping, when he practically did the same moments ago, and Unvotes shortly after, with a bad excuse (L-1? not even close, it was L-5 LOL)

And since then he still hasn't dont anything else, so I'm keeping my vote.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Frostings wrote:

Still not sure what to think of Drezi, any scum can easily make a seemingly pro-town post like that
I agree with your reasoning, that's why I don't have a solid townread on Dake, RB and NH, but there's no reason to get overly paranoid, it'd be pretty bad if we started overly suspecting everyone who looked town right now. Just be vary - keep options open that are technically still possible.
AutoMedic
1,166 posts
Joined April 2014
AutoMedic
I got grudges on Drezi last time

does that mean I can voet him too setsuen
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Sonatora wrote:

I got grudges on Drezi last time

does that mean I can voet him too setsuen
It's too late at D1 to do that unless Drezi is seem acting scummy/lurking. TOO BAD. SHOULD HAVE DONE IT 48HR+AGO SLOWPOKE.

Drezi wrote:

Even Dake told him to rant less about being voted, and post more content, but he keeps arguing the same point instead.
I feel like tn is copying my style of looking town. Unfortunately theo nly person who can be Town readed with that playstyle is me.

Drezi wrote:

Also he bargains right away at the same time "Post and I'll consider removing this"..
One of the MOST INVALID ARGUMENT ever if you're not null-scum/scum reading NH. NH did the SAME THING by bargaining that he would remove his vote on me if I stop walling. They call this "SELECTIVE ATTENTION" in Psychology and if NH/Drezi ever flip scum, It would be BENEFICIAL FOR TOWN IF THEY REMMEMBER THIS POST.

Drezi wrote:

I agree with your reasoning, that's why I don't have a solid townread on Dake, RB and NH, but there's no reason to get overly paranoid, it'd be pretty bad if we started overly suspecting everyone who looked town right now. Just be vary - keep options open that are technically still possible.
Here's a nice theory. Scum makes a DUMB town argue with me. Jump on the Setsuen plz stop your wall argument with the dumb town and then once the argument stops and town FINALLY starts scumhunting, they hope that their PAST activity will save them from being scum readed. bc I get the feeling that now that the argument stopped, SOME people have started posting LESSER and LESSER in content.

beeboy123 wrote:

My reads are still being shipped please wait
Here's the paranoid me saying that you're trying to delay town by not outing reads in hope that YOUR reads can be trusted. The good thing is that there's NO WAY scum can delay town ALL THE WAY until the DL. If they do, town should officially give up. Literally.
Gumica
166 posts
Joined November 2013
Gumica
Ah yes, sry, I was playing EU4 for 13 hours yesterday, so I didn't really check up on this game.
Will post later, when I get around to the computer~~ <3
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Setsuen wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Also he bargains right away at the same time "Post and I'll consider removing this"..
One of the MOST INVALID ARGUMENT ever if you're not null-scum/scum reading NH. NH did the SAME THING by bargaining that he would remove his vote on me if I stop walling. They call this "SELECTIVE ATTENTION" in Psychology and if NH/Drezi ever flip scum, It would be BENEFICIAL FOR TOWN IF THEY REMMEMBER THIS POST.
COMPLETELY different cases, how can you fail to see that. NH wanted to stop you from walling long before, that was just an additional means to that end.

In tn's case it's coming from nowhere, has no real intention (obviously Sephi would have had to start posting either way), it's just filler with a cautious-stayneutral tone.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Setsuen wrote:

They call this "SELECTIVE ATTENTION" in Psychology
And no, even that's invalid, I've just replaced in.. I've read everything in one go, even if I missed something you can't really say that it was intentional, or selective attention.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Drezi wrote:

COMPLETELY different cases, how can you fail to see that. NH wanted to stop you from walling long before, that was just an additional means to that end.

In tn's case it's coming from nowhere, has no real intention (obviously Sephi would have had to start posting either way), it's just filler with a cautious-stayneutral tone.
It's not exactly. Stay neutral. He's bouncing from null townn,null, and null-scum.

I would expect him to Overreact like I did in Lupus if he was copying my style but he didn't exactly do it so he was kind of null-town for a moment. But then the posts following it were null-scum.

Also, Sephi HARDLY even posted after that which is why you had to replace in in the first place. That and NH after playing some game with me, SHOULD know that voting me WILL NOT stop me from walling. Seriously. Drezi would YOU vote for me thinking that I will stop walling and arguing just because of your vote on me? The answer is no I'm pretty sure. In fact, the OPPOSITE will happen and MORE walls will happen.

The only thing I would agree is that tn is scummy but I don't like how you're taking suspicion off NH "on the sly""


Drezi wrote:

And no, even that's invalid, I've just replaced in.. I've read everything in one go, even if I missed something you can't really say that it was intentional, or selective attention.
But you're basically summarising things WAY too much that you're missing out the minor but IMPORTANT bits that would out a scum when combined together. Sure you might have readed everything but I don't think I can trust that you read it THAT carefully especially since SOME people can even forget what they themself stated at the start of the game.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
I'm not taking suspicion off NH "on the sly", null-town was my initial read and simply it hasn't changed. You're right I wouldn't try to stop your walling by voting, but him trying to dissuade you from walling did not come off as scummy in my eyes. I might have tried to reason with you to some extent too, like I agree that you should try to phrase your thoughts more concisely. But I'm not gonna open a battlefront here on the issue with your walling, hue.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
whooo Drezi looks town!

Frostings wrote:

Also now scumreading DakeDake because he is useless
If I'm useless then I don't know what the other bunch of fluff posters are.

Keeping my vote? Yes, he didn't defend enough or convinced me to at least unvote him. I didn't vote tn for being a lurker, but for lacking content.
tn5421
72 posts
Joined September 2013
tn5421
Or people that are posting even less than me.
AutoMedic
1,166 posts
Joined April 2014
AutoMedic

Frostings wrote:

Also now scumreading DakeDake because he is useless
fucking

unbelievable

you're more useless than a fucking piece of empty bag of chip
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

tn5421 wrote:

Or people that are posting even less than me.
You post less. Push attention to people who post lesser than you. Diversion much. For info posting less and pushing attention to other people who post less is scummy while posting a lot and pushing attention who post less is neutral.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

beeboy123 wrote:

My reads are still being shipped please wait
Waiting.

Consider this a prod dodge too.

Not liking tn's latest post, but doesnt seem like he would make it so obvious he was scum.

Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Also now scumreading DakeDake because he is useless
fucking

unbelievable

you're more useless than a fucking piece of empty bag of chip
Explain this btw Sonatora. oh and also explain the clusterfuck you want to fix.

@frosting i thought your reason for voting him was cause he gave up, but it doesnt look like it now, so why is your vote on him still?
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
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Raging Bull
So much for a true prod dodge post.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Oh yea, cause of DL prod rule, it would be best to post a prod dodge before like sleeping or school etc.
beeboy123
183 posts
Joined June 2013
beeboy123
If I post my reads they would probably be torn apart the people and if I FoS any scum there play style will change making me believe they are town.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
So did you join the game to hang around and not post anything relevant because of the things you mentioned?
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
If your reads are so bad that they're torn apart then learn from it, otherwise they won't get better. (Reads are subjective anyway, they can only be torn apart if the reasons you list for the reads are totally illogical/stupid.)

If scum changes their play style because of a FoS then that's something that'll be noticed probably and can be used. Sure sometimes it's better to withhold suspicions, but we still gotta do SOMETHING.. Hell you can even be Setsuen and FoS people randomly (sorry, based on gut) to see what happens :D
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

beeboy123 wrote:

If I post my reads they would probably be torn apart the people and if I FoS any scum there play style will change making me believe they are town.
Are you really that unconfident or are you really trying to delay your reads / make us ignore them?


Sonatora wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Also now scumreading DakeDake because he is useless
fucking

unbelievable

you're more useless than a fucking piece of empty bag of chip
Look how mean he is :(


@Dake : your posts are as useless as beeboy's, except for one read post that you made 5 days ago..
Frostings
913 posts
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Frostings

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting i thought your reason for voting him was cause he gave up, but it doesnt look like it now, so why is your vote on him still?
I have no good reason to unvote him yet

I wanted to PL Sona D1 because his usual town behavior hurts town later in the game
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter

Frostings wrote:

I wanted to PL Sona D1 because his usual town behavior hurts town later in the game
This is a big ping. You would choose to lynch a townie even after knowing he's a townie? Hurts town "later in the game" is irrelevant if you lynch scum in the first place.

On a sidenote, I have a big exam coming up on Friday, so I'll be definitely posting less. Feel free to replace if needed.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Frostings wrote:

I wanted to PL Sona
@NH: How is that weird when we're talking about a Policy Lynch here?
Gumica
166 posts
Joined November 2013
Gumica
Well, hello there~

Wellp, I haven't missed much yesterday, except that tn is being inactive again.

Drezi crushed one of Setsuen's arguments which is nice.:

Setsuen wrote:

Your argument is horrible and lurking is only PART of the reason why they are scum. If you can't understand that just start sheeping instead of arguing.
because Setsuen can (omitted). Anyways Drezi is prooving to be a lot more townlike with his scepticism and investigative posts.


Also I've been rereading ISO's for the past hour (except Setsuen's, cause fuck that) and I really have to say that between all of the lurking and other accusations here, Frostings has just pulled the most scum-like post for my taste.
@Frostings; One shouldn't Policy Lynch out of that kind of idea. That's like saying we always have to PL Setsuen on D1 for retarded walling. Nobody likes it, but it's not an argument for a lynch. Thus your lynch on Sonatora is without any legitimacy. Using Self-vote for the excuse to retain your vote on him till, isn't really acceptable. Do you have any other valid reasons for your vote, or is it plainly Policy Lynch based?
Gumica
166 posts
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Gumica
Ah I see I've been ninja'd about Frostings too :D
Gumica
166 posts
Joined November 2013
Gumica
Aaaaaaaaaand I've posted the wrong quote, lol. Gomenasai ^_^'

Setsuen wrote:

Sephi being replaced isn't going to change anything for your info. If He's scum Drezi is just going to continue the bad performance with LESS lurking only.
beeboy123
183 posts
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beeboy123
As much as a policy lynch on Sona is a waste of a lynch. It doesn't make me think Frostling is scum as he has been pushing this for awhile.
Navizel
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Navizel
Just a question, would you guys want BRBP to be alive and screw town later or kill him before he lays his eggs?
Gumica
166 posts
Joined November 2013
Gumica
Same as with Frostings, Navizel. You've got no superhuman abilities to the future.
Gumica
166 posts
Joined November 2013
Gumica
to read the future*

the fuck is wrong with my writting today -.-
beeboy123
183 posts
Joined June 2013
beeboy123
Town
NoHitter
Setsuen
Sonatora
Null
Dake
SNB
Scum
Gumica - Other than his mostly non-productive arguments with Setsuen he has played pretty defensive this game.
Navi - Doing nothing + asking for prods earlier made me think he wants to force mod kills so he could win easily.
TN - Small things like coming in, saying hi and leaving. And using others inactivity as an excuse to being inactive.

No null-scum/town as no on is conf town and it should be easy to figure out who I think is scum vs null-scum based on my previous/upcoming posts. Not a lot has happened which is one of the main reasons why I held back on my reads.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Drezi:
Because the policy lynch doesn't make sense. It's one thing to base a pl on a possibly suspicious activity e.g. Lynch all lurker, lynch all liars, etc. but it's another to do it whether or not someone is town or scum.
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting i thought your reason for voting him was cause he gave up, but it doesnt look like it now, so why is your vote on him still?
I have no good reason to unvote him yet

I wanted to PL Sona D1 because his usual town behavior hurts town later in the game
Im surprised you want to lynch town than push for one of your null scum read.

beeboy123 wrote:

As much as a policy lynch on Sona is a waste of a lynch. It doesn't make me think Frostling is scum as he has been pushing this for awhile.
Where? Iirc, he only voted after Sonatora self voted and i dont think he pushed for it.

Navizel wrote:

Just a question, would you guys want BRBP to be alive and screw town later or kill him before he lays his eggs?
Idk hows that related. Does that mean you want to PL Sonatora? Cause it seems that way. FOS Navizel
Birdy
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Birdy
'bout time beeboy.

I'm suspicious about Drezi and Gumica; they are posting good posts, so I'll assume either one of them is playing their scum role very well (watch me get lynched next night because of this post, gg).
Birdy
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Birdy
Oh also FoS Navi & HoS Frostings.

Another possible scumteam here?

Yes, I know Sona was in my early null-scum read, but his latest (stupid) behaviour has been (dumb and) townish enough, and anyway this policy lynch shit is just unnecessary and eccentric.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Where dem reads? :(
Navizel
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Navizel

beeboy123 wrote:

Navi - Doing nothing + asking for prods earlier made me think he wants to force mod kills so he could win easily.
I'm asking for prods because I want activity. Activity = longer deadline and more discussions to find the scums.
Navizel
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Navizel

Navizel wrote:

Read beeboy's ISO and apparently, he's not ok with lynching someone for bad play (Sonatora's) but he's fine with killing tn because of his inactivity. I don't get the non-mods thing. Probably nonPRs?
hi rb and snb
Navizel
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Navizel
basically I'm thinking of Sonatora + beeboy scumteam. I'm fine with PL Sonatora but I'm better with lynching a conf-scum.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Thinking it better, I can also ride the Frostings bandwagon /o/
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Frostings wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

@frosting i thought your reason for voting him was cause he gave up, but it doesnt look like it now, so why is your vote on him still?
I have no good reason to unvote him yet

I wanted to PL Sona D1 because his usual town behavior hurts town later in the game
Going back on this, it seems like you know hes town already.

Navizel wrote:

Navizel wrote:

Read beeboy's ISO and apparently, he's not ok with lynching someone for bad play (Sonatora's) but he's fine with killing tn because of his inactivity. I don't get the non-mods thing. Probably nonPRs?
hi rb and snb
That sounded more like past tense read than command reed. Idk about that. Im neutral in that for now.
Navizel
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Navizel
Because it is past tense.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Oh, whats that hi thing then?
Navizel
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Navizel
Just want you guys to know that I posted something regarding Sonatora and beeboy which means policy lynching Sonatora isn't for lulz. Then again, that's my last option.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Voting now while I still got time.
Vote: Frostings
AutoMedic
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AutoMedic
Dodging prod since I'm studying

also Vote: Frostings

Bandwahgon
Navizel
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Navizel
this guy
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.08

[3] Frostings -- Raging Bull, NoHitter, Sonatora (L-4)
[3] tn5421 -- Navizel, DakeDekaane, Drezi (L-4)
[1] Raging Bull -- Setsuen
[1] Sonatora -- Frostings
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- beeboy123, Gumica, Static Noise Bird, tn5421
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 6:00 PM CST (GMT-6).
Last edited by Amianki , edited 2 times in total.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
choo choo

Vote: Frostings

You're the next tn 8-)
Gumica
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Gumica
I expect Frostings to respond within 24hours to explain himself. :^)
Birdy
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Birdy

Navizel wrote:

Just want you guys to know that I posted something regarding Sonatora and beeboy which means policy lynching Sonatora isn't for lulz. Then again, that's my last option.
Oh, makes more sense.

We still have quite a lot time for analyzing, but... wait. There's a train already going on? Don't leave me out, guys!

Vote: Frostings
Frostings
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Frostings
give me a moment it's 1 am right now
Frostings
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Frostings

NoHitter wrote:

Frostings wrote:

I wanted to PL Sona D1 because his usual town behavior hurts town later in the game
This is a big ping. You would choose to lynch a townie even after knowing he's a townie? Hurts town "later in the game" is irrelevant if you lynch scum in the first place.
Yes, actually I would PL a town. It's only D1, about three or four people scumread Sona and he already started talking about giving up. He basically refused to give his reads until RB pretty much forced him to. Even AFTER people townread him because of his terrible play, he STILL wanted to lynch himself. Sure we could try scum hunting, which I'm not suggesting we shouldn't do, but if we don't get anywhere then I'm suggesting Sona as an option. We could try letting Sona live for D2~D3 but obviously he isn't going to contribute and be pretty much useless.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not tunneling on Sona, I've been trying to find potential scum as well, but Sona isn't in my town read.

Posting more in a sec...
Frostings
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Frostings

Gumica wrote:

Also I've been rereading ISO's for the past hour (except Setsuen's, cause fuck that) and I really have to say that between all of the lurking and other accusations here, Frostings has just pulled the most scum-like post for my taste.
@Frostings; One shouldn't Policy Lynch out of that kind of idea. That's like saying we always have to PL Setsuen on D1 for retarded walling. Nobody likes it, but it's not an argument for a lynch. Thus your lynch on Sonatora is without any legitimacy. Using Self-vote for the excuse to retain your vote on him till, isn't really acceptable. Do you have any other valid reasons for your vote, or is it plainly Policy Lynch based?


What post is scummy? My PL reason on Sona?
I'm not sure I understand. Lynching because of bad behavior is not an argument for a lynch? If someone lurks, some people would consider lynching them. If someone trolls all game, we would lynch them. This isn't different
Frostings
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Frostings

Gumica wrote:

Same as with Frostings, Navizel. You've got no superhuman abilities to the future.
I played with Sona in basically every mafia game I've joined here, it pretty much always happens.


Raging Bull wrote:

Im surprised you want to lynch town than push for one of your null scum read.


But I don't think Sona is town... Please don't manipulate my posts.
"Sona's usual town play" is more meant to mean: even if Sona were town this game. Doesn't necessarily mean he is or isn't

Raging Bull wrote:

Navizel wrote:

Just a question, would you guys want BRBP to be alive and screw town later or kill him before he lays his eggs?
Idk hows that related. Does that mean you want to PL Sonatora? Cause it seems that way. FOS Navizel
In one game BRBP, a VT, pretty much single handedly lost town the game by being alive until the endgame, posting absolute nonsense. It was because town was afraid of PL...

DakeDekaane wrote:

Thinking it better, I can also ride the Frostings bandwagon /o/
PLEASE try harder. Do you ever post insightful content or do you always sheep every game?


Raging Bull wrote:

Frostings wrote:

I have no good reason to unvote him yet

I wanted to PL Sona D1 because his usual town behavior hurts town later in the game
Going back on this, it seems like you know hes town already


read above
Frostings
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Frostings
It's 2 am, I have an 8:30 class tomorrow and I wrote all that on my phone

Please congratulate me :(
Frostings
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Frostings
half of that probably doesn't even make sense
I'm so tired zzzz
Gumica
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Gumica
Your past games aren't basis for your vote. I won't accept the reason for vote a past game.
As for the Sonatora, he stopped that behaviour. People stopped suspecting Sephibro/Drezi, when he stopped lurking, so...
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I'm not sheeping anyone, I could like vote immediately and only go for what certain person says, I'm doing my own conclusions based on what I read, that and a bit of OMGUS.

Sonatora may be a good candidate for PL, but I think we should go for who is scummier.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
aka Frostings - tn
Setsuen
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Setsuen

Gumica wrote:

Your past games aren't basis for your vote. I won't accept the reason for vote a past game.
As for the Sonatora, he stopped that behaviour. People stopped suspecting Sephibro/Drezi, when he stopped lurking, so...
I hope some town remember that newbie mafia where Nav+Cts won as scum bc Cth avoided the lynch D1............
Stopping behaviour =/= not scum in fact, I would suspect them more until they prove that they can hold that behaviour for a VERY LONG TIME.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Setsuen wrote:

Gumica wrote:

Your past games aren't basis for your vote. I won't accept the reason for vote a past game.
As for the Sonatora, he stopped that behaviour. People stopped suspecting Sephibro/Drezi, when he stopped lurking, so...
I hope some town remember that newbie mafia where Nav+Cts won as scum bc Cth avoided the lynch D1............
Stopping behaviour =/= not scum in fact, I would suspect them more until they prove that they can hold that behaviour for a VERY LONG TIME.
How about you comment about Frosting instead of other stuff.

@frosting Okay fine then. Why do you want to PL a null than to push a scum read? If you want to base it on past games, well this set up most likely has different towns and BRBP isnt here. Im not PLing someone who already improved their behavior.

@sonatora, fix what clusterfuck?
Frostings
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Frostings

Raging Bull wrote:

Im not PLing someone who already improved their behavior.

Sonatora wrote:

I'm not trolling there.

I really wanted to get lynched off but I have to fix this clusterfuck first


I don't know if this is improving behavior...
Also Sona is ignoring every question directed towards him

I'm still not removing my vote yet...
Birdy
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Birdy

Frostings wrote:

Please congratulate me :(
Congrats.
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Birdy
(I will post some real content tomorrow as I don't really have time for that today, sorry.)
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Birdy
(Actually, the movie that I have to watch by tomorrow is only 183 minutes long, so I might be here in around 3,5 hours.)
AutoMedic
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AutoMedic
This is a prod dodge

Posting content tommorow

on mobile
tn5421
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tn5421

Setsuen wrote:

tn5421 wrote:

Or people that are posting even less than me.
You post less. Push attention to people who post lesser than you. Diversion much. For info posting less and pushing attention to other people who post less is scummy while posting a lot and pushing attention who post less is neutral.
I haven't played games here in so long that I don't always remember to check every day.

Frostings wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

This is a big ping. You would choose to lynch a townie even after knowing he's a townie? Hurts town "later in the game" is irrelevant if you lynch scum in the first place.
Yes, actually I would PL a town. It's only D1, about three or four people scumread Sona and he already started talking about giving up. He basically refused to give his reads until RB pretty much forced him to. Even AFTER people townread him because of his terrible play, he STILL wanted to lynch himself. Sure we could try scum hunting, which I'm not suggesting we shouldn't do, but if we don't get anywhere then I'm suggesting Sona as an option. We could try letting Sona live for D2~D3 but obviously he isn't going to contribute and be pretty much useless.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not tunneling on Sona, I've been trying to find potential scum as well, but Sona isn't in my town read.

Posting more in a sec...
wat
are you serious?
Drezi
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Drezi
Wtf guys, we totally shouldn't lynch Frostings here. I had been nullreading him and leaning towards town now, since he explained the situation, and what he said is just what I was thinking on my own too - before his explanation, so really, I don't get why you're freaking out over that PL vote. Sona is not a conf town to me just because that giving up stuff, and even Frostings said that it's simply an "until better candidate appears" vote.

If you're scumreading him, sure but THIS shouldn't be the main reason.

Why the hell would we lynch Frost when we have TN here, who didn't even bother to adress my post against him, and still hasn't posted anything relevant.
Hell I'd sooner Lynch SNB, like seriously I sooo don't like this post:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

We still have quite a lot time for analyzing, but... wait. There's a train already going on? Don't leave me out, guys!
Vote: Frostings
Yeah this is totally subjective, but the way he just jumped on the wagon and phrased this, and posted only fluff since then just pushed my null-scum read further.

Yes, I'm defending Frostings, because this is a stupid wagon on him, with a stupid reason.
Drezi
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Drezi
And scum has nothing to gain by trying to push a PL, it's not even like a scum partner needed saving or anything, scum can just join any wagon and lynch off a scummy townie, why would they pull shit like this.
beeboy123
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beeboy123
Tn literally just came here said 2, 1 line posts and is probably gone for 24 hours.

vote: TN
Frostings
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Frostings

tn5421 wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Yes, actually I would PL a town. It's only D1, about three or four people scumread Sona and he already started talking about giving up. He basically refused to give his reads until RB pretty much forced him to. Even AFTER people townread him because of his terrible play, he STILL wanted to lynch himself. Sure we could try scum hunting, which I'm not suggesting we shouldn't do, but if we don't get anywhere then I'm suggesting Sona as an option. We could try letting Sona live for D2~D3 but obviously he isn't going to contribute and be pretty much useless.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not tunneling on Sona, I've been trying to find potential scum as well, but Sona isn't in my town read.

Posting more in a sec...
wat
are you serious?
It's like you didn't even read the rest of that post
Please try harder if you want to scumpaint me
Frostings
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Frostings
Vote:tn
Drezi
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Drezi
Post reads of everyone please.
Drezi
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Drezi
^ Frostings

And preferably with explanations.
Frostings
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Frostings
quick reads right now, because I gotta head off soon

town - Setsuen, Gumica, Drezi
null-town - Navizel, RB
null - SNB, NH, Sona (Sona is gonna move to nullscum if he keeps ignoring everyone's questions)
null-scum - beeboy, Dake
scum - tn
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
@frosting, i havent forgotten about sonatora. Thats why i asked him the clusterfuck question. And his behavior changed because he no longer wants to lynch himself. But you still didnt answer my question. Why do you want to push for a null read lynch than a null scum lynch?

@drezi, PLing someone can be a good reason for scum to push for a lynch since scum would usually find it harder to try to lynch someone they see is scum,wwhen scum themselves know they are lynching town.

Tn makes it way too obvious as scum, so he doesnt convince me.
tn5421
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tn5421
hi im scum please hug
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
You know, you arent really helping. Can you post your reads and explain why you read them as such?
tn5421
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tn5421
No, I'm good, thanks.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Oh how nice.
tn5421
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tn5421
sorry im apparently banned from mafia

Replacing out...
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
From sakura games
beeboy123
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beeboy123
um..... should we just PL? I don't see TN's slot not being lynched this game after the I am scum comment.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Idk anymore
Drezi
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Drezi
Being obvious scum is not a reason not to lynch, if isn't making use of it to make reads or anything.. if he keeps doing this as town he's playing against his wincon, so..

As for the PL stuff, as you could see it from both wagons, it's really easy to just join one of them, I still don't think initiating a PL as scum is such a big gain. It's a null tell in itself as far as I'm concerned.

And it isn't even a true PL, because the vote had a scummyness aspect to it aswell, not just pure "lynch useless player". It makes perfect sense to vote someone (and be okay with lynching them, unless a better case presents itself) who might be scum, but if not than we don't lose as much since their behavior is hurtful to town anyway.. (like TN right now?...) Rather than someone who is making sense, but drew some suspicion, a mislynch would hurt a lot more in that case.
Frostings
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Frostings
sorry, prod dodging..
I'll post explanation to reads and stuff tomorrow, need sleep now
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