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Debatable Mafia: Game Over! Town PRs survives!

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Birdy
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Birdy
Yeah, think about this.

farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.

Was a good game, you guys.
Birdy
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Birdy
Vote: DD
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Unvote
Vote: SNB

sry CB bby
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Amianki

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Yeah, think about this.

farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.

Was a good game, you guys.
So... that's it? You're giving up?
Birdy
5,758 posts
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Birdy
No. If I did, I would have voted for myself or something stupid like that.

It's just that nobody will understand my fake-claim, and nobody will believe that I'm a townsperson. For good reasons, too. I have nothing that I can prove.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I call bullshit.
Birdy
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Birdy
I knew/hoped BRBP was the cop from the moment he went from the null-scum read on me to null-town.

I will explain the things, if I'm allowed to roleslip/reveal my real role.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Unvote
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
Deadline is in ~14hours
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Explain your shit.
Birdy
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Birdy
Alright.

I neighbourized farto on the night before, who turned out to be VT. He had claimed BP earlier, so when the claim request occurred, I submitted to claim VT myself. I didn't see him (or after the replacement, Tanz) receiving the bullet after BP claim, but apparently the scum wanted to shoot the possible BP for shits and giggles. If I claimed my real role I could very well have taken the bullet instantly, so I saw that as a better solution.

That should be all and enough.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
So we have 2 confirmed town, we can go nolynch with no regrets with doc protecting any of them at randomly (I'd choose cop, but whatever), so scum has like 50% of making a successful NK even if they don't shoot them because BP and Doc :^)
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I knew/hoped BRBP was the cop from the moment he went from the null-scum read on me to null-town.
<3


13 hours left, scum can lurk until the night and it's too late to go for a massclaim. No lynch?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Scratch that, protect cop.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
More likely we'll have still 2 confirmed or 1 confirmed scum, and in the best case, 3 confirmed town.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
or 2 town and 1 scum, blabla

Vote: Nolynch
VoidnOwO
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Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
Vote: No lynch
Birdy
5,758 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Unvote
Vote: No Lynch
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
uhm guys aren't you forgetting the roleblocker?
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.6
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[1]-Drezi
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
NoLynch[3]-BRBP,DakeDekaane,StaticNoiseBird
Not Voting:rEdo
People have voted for No lynch.
It is now Night2 Please submit your night actions.

A few things to remember because really now:
Roleblock will STILL use up one of Cop's usage(Cop can submit no one if they want)
Doctor protection takes priority over BP

If you have any questions about the mechanics feel free to ask in PM.

Night2 will end in 24hours time at 23June 5:30PM(GMT+8) OR until all night actions are submitted.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
Is everyone here?
Lets see...... 1,2,3,4,5..........6.
No one died?.........
Maybe it's a zombie invasion now that all the VT died.
I wonder........



No one died.
It's now Day3.

Deadline will end on Saturday 28June 8PM(GMT+8)
Birdy
5,758 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Wowzie. It's the newbie mafia all over again.

BRBP I'm assuming you were blocked since I wasn't. If not, results could be handy.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Setsuen
106 posts
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

BRBP wrote:

Why did no lynch happen with 3 votes, I thought we need 4.
I didn't even know there's a roleblocker, should've read the first post :^)
Mostly following IRC mafia where 3votes out of 6 would have caused a NL.
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
So... you wasted a shot? >_>"
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Don't tell lol!

Either that or say that you haven't.

Why are you asking that rEdo? :)
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
Oh well, I guess that leaves us with nothing but massclaim right now. Scum cannot claim VT, since this would basically be a scumclaim. The two inconsistencies = scum found.

Claim: Doctor
1st night: fartownik
2nd night: BRBP
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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rEdo
809 posts
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rEdo
Because having a wasted shot would mean less conftown for us. We're sure of BRBP (nobody CC-d, so I guess that's enough) and SNB (BRBP scan) being town.

Having two 1v1s is the best course of action we can take at this point, I believe.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Him telling he wasted a shot would mean scum is free to try and roleblock doc, it makes even less sense now that you claimed it.

Vote: rEdo
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Also it makes no sense for town to go ahead with your claim without hearing what the others have to say about it.
Birdy
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Birdy
BRBP, did you investigate anyone? If you did, that would mean you got roleblocked (if you did not receive results), and you would have not gotten roleblocked and killed both, obviously. That would mean rEdo is the worst scum in the history of scums.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Birdy
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Birdy
Not sure if I'm just being dumb, which might be the case (surprise surprise!), but I'm not really not confused. I need sleep, once again.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
rEdo, claiming Doc is like the worst thing you can do.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
Birdy
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Birdy
Dayvig shot him, if I'm not incorrect.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Vigshot/killed, it's the same, scum killed Tanz.
Drezi
217 posts
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Drezi

DakeDekaane wrote:

I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
Why do you think Dake?
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Also CB needs to start posting.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
And rEdo needs to give a veeery insightful and detailed explanation on how claiming doctor would benefit town in any way in this situation.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Sorry, mood has been in the shitter for the past day due to work crap. I'll have more later when I'm in less of a foul mood. That and I have to leave for work pretty much ASAP anyways.

I will think about the current situation and whether a mass claim is optimal or not, though. I know that if we mass claim, we can never go below two confirmed town for the rest of the game and we'll remove one more person from the lynch list today if we choose correctly, as well as giving the mafia less wiggle room, but revealing who the BP is can remove the only positive WIFOM we have (assuming rEdo is fake. As long as it's a possibility, I'll assume it's true for this point). It also gives the mafia a firm position to argue with, which they don't really have right now. I am not sure which possibility is better yet.

Also, stop suggesting bad ideas BRBP.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 3.1
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]i
BRBP[]
rEdo[1]-Drezi
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
Not Voting:rEdo,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO

Setsuen wrote:

If there is any mistakes, please inform me.

Setsuen wrote:

3.1
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
i swear to god
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Caligno, can I vote you?
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

BRBP wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

If there is any mistakes, please inform me.

Setsuen wrote:

3.1
What. Isn't it 3.1? ;c
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
prod rEdo please
modkill would be even better <3
Setsuen
106 posts
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Topic Starter
Setsuen
rEdo,Drezi,CalignoBot and Static Noise Bird have been prodded.

much activity on D3.
Birdy
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Birdy
Sorry, I knew I should have posted something before going to sleep, but I didn't know I was going to sleep for like 10 hours.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Caligno, Drezi, rEdo pls

DakeDekaane wrote:

why was Tanz killed?
Drezi
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Drezi
Maybe because he was moving the game in a good direction for town, prompting activity, votes etc. Also he was scumreading you, also he was shot when CB started receiving votes. I wouldn't draw too firm conclusions from these facts though...

I'd still like you to share your views on the matter too.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Amianki
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Amianki

DakeDekaane wrote:

Caligno, Drezi, rEdo pls

DakeDekaane wrote:

why was Tanz killed?
My best guess is he was seen as the most clear-headed out of everyone here. Everyone else at the time was pretty much just going full retard.
Birdy
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Birdy
Vote: rEdo
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 3.2
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[L-1]-Drezi,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[]
Not Voting:rEdo,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.[/quote]
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Don't prod me pls.

Also what the fuck guys, are you voting rEdo for real? I mean, he's not clear, but he's not guility, yet.
Amianki
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Amianki
Vote: Drezi

Here's scum, guys.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I think real Doc (in the case rEdo is fakeclaiming) should claim.
Drezi
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Drezi
Oh, so rEdo decides that a massclaim is a great idea and starts off on his own without even waiting for anyone to agree, denying discussion and basically screwing us over in case he didn't think of something, and doesn't even bother to reply and explain himself and you're voting me? How peculiar.

I don't want to lynch him without any further discussion obviously, but the pressure is very much justified. And a lynch aswell in case he can't give very convincing reasons, which he had 2 days to do, but failed to do yet.
SNB's point is pretty valid too, cause I don't believe scum had any reason to not try to shoot a conf town.

Massclaim/cc -> scum will be sure about the exact role setup, doc gets RB-d for the rest of the game, they 100% NK a conf town, probably cop so they won't be investigated in case he saved the shot. Does that seems like a good idea to you?
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
The fact that rEdo doesn't seem to give a shit about being lynched makes me unsure about his claim, true doc should claim so we know who is scum.
Drezi
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Drezi
Sigh.

I'm the real doctor. So obviously I know it for a fact that rEdo is fake. I wanted to avoid having to claim, to keep the BP wifom going for us, and get a shot at protecting a conf town, but I guess scum already figured it out, since if CB was the doc, he wouldn't have voted me, and if it was Dake he wouldn't have suggested that the doc counterclaimed...

oh and n1: dake, n2: SNB

Also, DON'T hammer just yet, I want to hear from the both of you first - why you (pretty much) gave my role away to scum, instead of waiting with this, and deciding on what to do AFTER hearing what rEdo had to say in his defense.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Vote:CalignoBot
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Now you can't die without exposing rEdo.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Sheep Dake kthxbai
Drezi
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Drezi
Most definitely NO.

We are not taking chances deciding if it's you or CB, when rEdo was already pretty much confirmed scum without my counterclaim aswell.

Go ahead promoting an other lynch and we can be sure that you're the other scum :^)

Answer me instead.
Drezi
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Drezi
Also

Unvote

for a while to stop scum from cutting the day short.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Drezi
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Drezi
I'm placing my vote back on him as soon as you want me to, I just don't want them to stop the discussion before we feel there's nothing more to be asked, and said.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
We're currently 3 town players (Dake, BRBP, SNB), and the 4th town is in {rEdo,Drezi}, so the remaining person (CalignoBot) must be scum.

But yeah, a modkill would be cool too, not because this, but because 3 days without a fucking post.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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Silly, but true 8-)
Drezi
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Drezi
We're currently 3 town players (Drezi, BRBP, SNB), and the 4th town is in {CalignoBot,Dake}, so the remaining person (rEdo) must be scum.

much logic.

You're dodging every question Dake. You also openly suggested that I protect BRBP no matter what, completely ignoring the fact that there is a roleblocker. Also you were spamming posts out of boredom and soon afterwards Tanz was shot. You wanted me to claim, even though revealing myself is pretty bad for town since nothing stops scum from shooting conf towns this way, and now you're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo, who even from town-dake's perspective should be the obvious scum here.

Don't make your situation worse.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Yes, I forgot about the rolebocker as I was more worried about the dayvig.
Yes, I was spamming post out of boredom in order to get people to post/react/whatever.
Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.

But what were the benefits? Scum can't kill the Doc now and scum has like 33% chance of getting a successful NK now.

And as someone who is aware of his own alignment, that logic is the best way to go for me.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Would you kill the real doc when your partner has been lynched and you claimed doc?
Drezi
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Drezi
Scum will roleblock me every night, and kill a confirmed town every night, how is that 33% chance. It's 100%...
Drezi
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Drezi

Drezi wrote:

You're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo
I re-phrased my post, but forgot to delete "a" obviously -.-'
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I should've asked if roleblocker can kill and block at the same time /facepalm

But still not 100%, tbh I really have no worries about lynching rEdo given your actual behaviour tho.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
And then, enlightenment happened.

Vote: rEdo

yolo
Drezi
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Drezi

DakeDekaane wrote:

Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.
It's only 100% from your perspective, and you knew that.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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rEdo
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rEdo
Vote: rEdo

Twilight, guys. Do not post. Rules, point 9. Peace ^_^
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Drezi
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Drezi
(Talking beforehand is acceptable as long as the lynch scene has not been posted yet.)

Too bad, this is what I wanted to avoid, and for some reason rEdo awoke from his eternal slumber after Dake decided to vote him suddenly ^^
Drezi
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Drezi
Though to be honest I really wanted CB to talk aswell, so we could make more sense of the person being NK-ed.
rEdo
809 posts
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rEdo
I got tired of this game in the middle of it, and seeked some entertainment in going full retard with the doc claim just to fish some possible roles

I also didn't expect my new work to be THIS time consuming, that's the main reason for my inactivity
VoidnOwO
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Drezi
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Drezi
I explicitly asked not to hammer, cause I wanted answers from both you and CB, I even removed my vote to stop him from self-hammering, so why did you go against this by placing a vote there Dake? Saying that you changed your mind about the situation would have been enough surely.
Drezi
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Drezi
Hearing from CB aswell before I'm 100% confirmed town would have been valuable I think.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
You're hoping too much, CB is confirmed scum for me.
Drezi
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Drezi
So are you for him now.. And even though he was voting me, he didn't have to chance to attack/change his opinion on his own about my claim.
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