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Debatable Mafia: Game Over! Town PRs survives!

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rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
I'm back, sorry.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Vote: Drezi

TL;DR from that one post - quickly voting a previous null-read, and then saying that voting their scum-read wouldn't achieve anything, while not elaborating it at all, and then trying to push that subject away from the chat when asked about it and giving "scumpoints" when asked about it.
This seems more of a newbie town behaviour rather than a scummy one. Not to mention that you were nullreading him a few posts before as well.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Voting Drezi immediately because I can change my vote if needed. If.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Because I obviously don't want mislynches and I'm still rather sure that you are scum. (that was directed to Drezi in that post)
The first sentence implies that you aren't that sure of Drezi being scum, while the latter one indicates the otherwise. Now that's interesting.

SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy

rEdo wrote:

The first sentence implies that you aren't that sure of Drezi being scum.
No. It's just that if someone else starts behaving scummy and a wagon emerges, I may jump on that, if it's a probable enough scum.

rEdo wrote:

SNB, do you have any other reasons to suspect Drezi than the Gumica association? I can't really find anything else while rereading your ISO several times, unless I'm completely retarded.
The unjustified vote, like explained in the previous post of mine.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Unjustified vote? It's D1 hardly out of RVS, all I wanted was fish for reactions/more votes by placing a vote on someone who was the target of conflicting opinions (as I said already), and I didn't want to explicitly state this reason right away at the time. Doesn't town need to start voting people for something to happen?

I realize now that it was a bad play, drawing all this suspicion to me for no good reason... but i'm not sure THIS is justified though...
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Lolvoting to fish reactions is badly justified, but at least that's some kind of an explanation, now.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
Reminder that Day 2 will end at June 22nd, 5am(GMT +8) which is 74hour from now.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

All are referencing Drezi in some way, whether directly or by how Gumica dying affects his [SNB's] read on him [Drezi].
Gumica's dying didn't affect my read on Drezi. I just went from scumread to more strict scumread.
This doesn't even make sense. How does something changing a scumread to a more 'strict' scumread mean it wasn't affected by that something?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

He admits twice that his Gumica-dying case isn't as strong as he made it out to be
I don't understand this a single bit, but I can only assume that this is a highly scumpainting sentence by the accusing tone of it.
Here are the two quotes I was referring to:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

It may look staged, unfortunately, but all I wanted to say was "I told you guys".

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm just strictly scumreading you, and I'm aware that I was pretty much the only one townreading him.
It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged. That statement you add right after admitting that it can look that way doesn't do that. Stating that you're aware you were the only one that line of logic applied to only drives that point home. You're trying to push a wagon without giving anyone a reason to believe that you're genuine.

---


Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

the only real reason he ever gave in day one for why Drezi is scum came from a single point where Drezi changed a vote
...and still hasn't elaborated it. Unless rEdo flips scum at some point, I'm strongly accusing Drezi of a random unjustified mislynch attempt, while trying to stay out of the wagon.
...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right. On the contrary, he even stated that he shouldn't even have to... despite the wagon never gaining any steam.
Right. People apparently want to focus on accusing other people at the moment, which I'm sure you and Drezi would be fine with. That being said, not sure why are you defending Drezi even more at this point, because the link between you two is becoming stronger by every post of yours.
I don't recall giving any sort of read or really addressing Drezi in any way that would justify this claim. Pretty much my entire case on you is about how you're attacking rather than the actual attack itself. You went out of the gate with a full suite of pressure on one person, then actively avoided trying to convince anyone that you're correct for the vast majority of this debate. Meanwhile, you're trying to discredit the attacks on you with strawman arguments and unfounded assumptions.
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Alright, there's just a bunch of accusations and other crap in there, so I'll respond shortly to the 2 things that mostly caught my attention.

CalignoBot wrote:

It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged.
Holy shit, don't make yourself sound stupid now, will you.

CalignoBot wrote:

...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?
I only now realized that he actually did unvote rEdo later on just to hammer NH. Shouldn't I take this as a third reason to suspect him? Because I probably will.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane

BRBP wrote:

no lynch best lynch
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
Actually... why, BRBP?
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
@mod: Prod... everyone. >_>"
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
asking for a replacement
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Alright, there's just a bunch of accusations and other crap in there, so I'll respond shortly to the 2 things that mostly caught my attention.
:|

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

It's your job to make people believe that it wasn't staged.
Holy shit, don't make yourself sound stupid now, will you.
:|

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

...What? Trying to stay out of the wagon?
I only now realized that he actually did unvote rEdo later on just to hammer NH. Shouldn't I take this as a third reason to suspect him? Because I probably will.
[/quote]

?_?
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy

CalignoBot wrote:

?_?
Not sure if just an emoticon or an act of questioning.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
It's an emoticon showing how confused I am at that.
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Oh, okay. Not sure why are you confused at that, because changing vote to hammer someone else is always considered scummy, I've seen.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
That's not exclusively true. Everything in this game is based on motivations behind actions just as much (if not MORE) than the actions themselves.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
So you're saying you would've preferred a NoLynch D1?
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
No lynch over NH lynch anytime. I still don't see how was he suspicious enough to get an easy wagon on.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

rEdo wrote:

@mod: Prod... everyone. >_>"

DakeDekaane & BRBP has been prodded.

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.4
With 7Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
fartownik[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-StaticNoiseBird
NoLynch[1]-BRBP
Not Voting:rEdo,fartownik,DakeDekaane,Drezi
If there is any mistake please inform me

fartownik wrote:

asking for a replacement
searching for replacement now.


Deadline is in 23hour 40minutes.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Hi Tanz, please say this town is being bad as fuck, ty.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
Tanzklaue effectively replace fartownik starting from now. As requested, Deadline will be extended 24hours to June 23rd 5am(GMT +8)
VoidnOwO
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Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
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Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

DakeDekaane wrote:

Hi Tanz, please say this town is being bad as fuck, ty.
the worst.

BRBP wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Actually... why, BRBP?
why not?
because your vote could do something of actual use, instead of stalling the game and bringing it to a halt.

overall, nobody did shit on day 2. why is noboy using their votes? why is everyone except CB and SNB so passive? ASK QUESTIONS AND PUT PRESSURE ON PEOPLE FOLKS! those two get a free ride basically for them being active when if they would be scum, they wouldn't need to be active.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
thing is, thanks to the retarded set up we can't mislynch today. which, mind you, is no reason to sit back, jerk off and do absolutely nothing.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
if you would hold a knife to my balls and want me to pinpoint scum, DD is the prime suspect for scum for me atm. BRBP and CB are both possible buddies. i think the rest steers clear.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
Vote: DakeDekaane
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
alright, I'll make use of my vote aswell.

Vote: CB

Had some initial suspicions and this continued tunneling of SNB (and your vote on him) doesn't seem to be too productive since it looks like he's confirmed town now.. Or would there be a reason for our real VT not to counterclaim him?
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

Tanzklaue wrote:

thing is, thanks to the retarded set up we can't mislynch today. which, mind you, is no reason to sit back, jerk off and do absolutely nothing.
if you mis-lynch it would be 4-2 and then 3-2 D3.


Update:One-Shot vig cannot shoot during LyLo due to balance issues.... kind of

^This can be found in the opening post......... like AGES AGO
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
unvote...
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

Drezi wrote:

alright, I'll make use of my vote aswell.

Vote: CB

Had some initial suspicions and this continued tunneling of SNB (and your vote on him) doesn't seem to be too productive since it looks like he's confirmed town now.. Or would there be a reason for our real VT not to counterclaim him?
Yes, there is a reason for the real VT not to counterclaim. It would mean that no matter who the mafia shoot, they will always hit a PR.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
So you're satisfied with your vote?
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
I don't understand why you're asking that question.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
The main benefit I see in not cc-ing SNB in case he's scum is that he'll be revealed as scum if the real VT gets vigshot, NK-ed or lynched. Why would scum be willing to accept this situation and claim? Not claiming would have been perfectly passable as town behavior I think. So I believe SNB is town. Also if there's a chance that he'll be confirmed as scum without us doing anything, shouldn't we be trying to focus on other people now?
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
If I was scum, I'd already shot myself.

Vote: CalignoBot
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Unvote

I'll think about this more seriously soon. Let's say for now that Drezi just did those bad moves + the hammer, that nobody else considered scummy, whatever.

CB and DD both are still probable candidates - I'll read more into them and consider voting either soon. Def not keeping my vote unused.
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Actually fuck it. DD is playing badly and mostly doesn't give any information at all, most posts being stupid fillers, especially in the last 4 days. CB is being highly eccentric. I can't tell if it's straightforward scummy, or just overprotecting in favor for Drezi and accusing me for my accusing playstyle. Which would be scummy if Drezi still was the scum, but apparently none of you agree.

I'm leaning on voting CB for now, since I'd put a useless-null read on DD for now.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I have really no motivation to do anything, I just see CB forcing a scumread on you despite your claim, no idea if he is hiding something or not
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
And the rest are being lurksacks so idk what's even going on or what to ask or shit
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
So scum shoot me pls so I can stop posting crap
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Because I'm tired of this.
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
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DakeDekaane
Also a half-brained one wouldn't even vote for me.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
Nice discussion going on
I know right.......?
BAM! A gunshot was heard!
OMG who got hit
The vig has stricken!
Welp! I'm bleeding to death!
Oh noes what role are u??!
I'm VT..........
Oh.............Bye VT?..............

Tanzklaue, Town Villager was shot because VTs are hated this game.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.5
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[2]-Drezi,DakeDekaane
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
Not Voting:rEdo,StaticNoiseBird,BRBP
If there is any mistake please inform me
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Yeah, think about this.

farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.

Was a good game, you guys.
Birdy
5,757 posts
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Birdy
Vote: DD
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
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DakeDekaane
Unvote
Vote: SNB

sry CB bby
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Yeah, think about this.

farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.

Was a good game, you guys.
So... that's it? You're giving up?
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
No. If I did, I would have voted for myself or something stupid like that.

It's just that nobody will understand my fake-claim, and nobody will believe that I'm a townsperson. For good reasons, too. I have nothing that I can prove.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I call bullshit.
Birdy
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Birdy
I knew/hoped BRBP was the cop from the moment he went from the null-scum read on me to null-town.

I will explain the things, if I'm allowed to roleslip/reveal my real role.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Unvote
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen
Deadline is in ~14hours
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Explain your shit.
Birdy
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Birdy
Alright.

I neighbourized farto on the night before, who turned out to be VT. He had claimed BP earlier, so when the claim request occurred, I submitted to claim VT myself. I didn't see him (or after the replacement, Tanz) receiving the bullet after BP claim, but apparently the scum wanted to shoot the possible BP for shits and giggles. If I claimed my real role I could very well have taken the bullet instantly, so I saw that as a better solution.

That should be all and enough.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
So we have 2 confirmed town, we can go nolynch with no regrets with doc protecting any of them at randomly (I'd choose cop, but whatever), so scum has like 50% of making a successful NK even if they don't shoot them because BP and Doc :^)
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I knew/hoped BRBP was the cop from the moment he went from the null-scum read on me to null-town.
<3


13 hours left, scum can lurk until the night and it's too late to go for a massclaim. No lynch?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Scratch that, protect cop.
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
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DakeDekaane
More likely we'll have still 2 confirmed or 1 confirmed scum, and in the best case, 3 confirmed town.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
or 2 town and 1 scum, blabla

Vote: Nolynch
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
Vote: No lynch
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Unvote
Vote: No Lynch
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
uhm guys aren't you forgetting the roleblocker?
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 2.6
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[1]-Drezi
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
NoLynch[3]-BRBP,DakeDekaane,StaticNoiseBird
Not Voting:rEdo
People have voted for No lynch.
It is now Night2 Please submit your night actions.

A few things to remember because really now:
Roleblock will STILL use up one of Cop's usage(Cop can submit no one if they want)
Doctor protection takes priority over BP

If you have any questions about the mechanics feel free to ask in PM.

Night2 will end in 24hours time at 23June 5:30PM(GMT+8) OR until all night actions are submitted.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen
Is everyone here?
Lets see...... 1,2,3,4,5..........6.
No one died?.........
Maybe it's a zombie invasion now that all the VT died.
I wonder........



No one died.
It's now Day3.

Deadline will end on Saturday 28June 8PM(GMT+8)
Birdy
5,757 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Wowzie. It's the newbie mafia all over again.

BRBP I'm assuming you were blocked since I wasn't. If not, results could be handy.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Setsuen

BRBP wrote:

Why did no lynch happen with 3 votes, I thought we need 4.
I didn't even know there's a roleblocker, should've read the first post :^)
Mostly following IRC mafia where 3votes out of 6 would have caused a NL.
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
So... you wasted a shot? >_>"
Drezi
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Drezi
Don't tell lol!

Either that or say that you haven't.

Why are you asking that rEdo? :)
rEdo
809 posts
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rEdo
Oh well, I guess that leaves us with nothing but massclaim right now. Scum cannot claim VT, since this would basically be a scumclaim. The two inconsistencies = scum found.

Claim: Doctor
1st night: fartownik
2nd night: BRBP
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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rEdo
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rEdo
Because having a wasted shot would mean less conftown for us. We're sure of BRBP (nobody CC-d, so I guess that's enough) and SNB (BRBP scan) being town.

Having two 1v1s is the best course of action we can take at this point, I believe.
Drezi
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Drezi
Him telling he wasted a shot would mean scum is free to try and roleblock doc, it makes even less sense now that you claimed it.

Vote: rEdo
Drezi
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Drezi
Also it makes no sense for town to go ahead with your claim without hearing what the others have to say about it.
Birdy
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Birdy
BRBP, did you investigate anyone? If you did, that would mean you got roleblocked (if you did not receive results), and you would have not gotten roleblocked and killed both, obviously. That would mean rEdo is the worst scum in the history of scums.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Birdy
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Birdy
Not sure if I'm just being dumb, which might be the case (surprise surprise!), but I'm not really not confused. I need sleep, once again.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
rEdo, claiming Doc is like the worst thing you can do.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
Birdy
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Birdy
Dayvig shot him, if I'm not incorrect.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Vigshot/killed, it's the same, scum killed Tanz.
Drezi
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Drezi

DakeDekaane wrote:

I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
Why do you think Dake?
Drezi
217 posts
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Drezi
Also CB needs to start posting.
Drezi
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Drezi
And rEdo needs to give a veeery insightful and detailed explanation on how claiming doctor would benefit town in any way in this situation.
Amianki
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Amianki
Sorry, mood has been in the shitter for the past day due to work crap. I'll have more later when I'm in less of a foul mood. That and I have to leave for work pretty much ASAP anyways.

I will think about the current situation and whether a mass claim is optimal or not, though. I know that if we mass claim, we can never go below two confirmed town for the rest of the game and we'll remove one more person from the lynch list today if we choose correctly, as well as giving the mafia less wiggle room, but revealing who the BP is can remove the only positive WIFOM we have (assuming rEdo is fake. As long as it's a possibility, I'll assume it's true for this point). It also gives the mafia a firm position to argue with, which they don't really have right now. I am not sure which possibility is better yet.

Also, stop suggesting bad ideas BRBP.
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

Vote Count 3.1
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]i
BRBP[]
rEdo[1]-Drezi
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
Not Voting:rEdo,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO

Setsuen wrote:

If there is any mistakes, please inform me.

Setsuen wrote:

3.1
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
i swear to god
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Caligno, can I vote you?
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen

BRBP wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

If there is any mistakes, please inform me.

Setsuen wrote:

3.1
What. Isn't it 3.1? ;c
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
prod rEdo please
modkill would be even better <3
Setsuen
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Topic Starter
Setsuen
rEdo,Drezi,CalignoBot and Static Noise Bird have been prodded.

much activity on D3.
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