Yes, there is a reason for the real VT not to counterclaim. It would mean that no matter who the mafia shoot, they will always hit a PR.Drezi wrote:
alright, I'll make use of my vote aswell.
Vote: CB
Had some initial suspicions and this continued tunneling of SNB (and your vote on him) doesn't seem to be too productive since it looks like he's confirmed town now.. Or would there be a reason for our real VT not to counterclaim him?
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The main benefit I see in not cc-ing SNB in case he's scum is that he'll be revealed as scum if the real VT gets vigshot, NK-ed or lynched. Why would scum be willing to accept this situation and claim? Not claiming would have been perfectly passable as town behavior I think. So I believe SNB is town. Also if there's a chance that he'll be confirmed as scum without us doing anything, shouldn't we be trying to focus on other people now?
If I was scum, I'd already shot myself.
Vote: CalignoBot
Vote: CalignoBot
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I'll think about this more seriously soon. Let's say for now that Drezi just did those bad moves + the hammer, that nobody else considered scummy, whatever.
CB and DD both are still probable candidates - I'll read more into them and consider voting either soon. Def not keeping my vote unused.
I'll think about this more seriously soon. Let's say for now that Drezi just did those bad moves + the hammer, that nobody else considered scummy, whatever.
CB and DD both are still probable candidates - I'll read more into them and consider voting either soon. Def not keeping my vote unused.
Actually fuck it. DD is playing badly and mostly doesn't give any information at all, most posts being stupid fillers, especially in the last 4 days. CB is being highly eccentric. I can't tell if it's straightforward scummy, or just overprotecting in favor for Drezi and accusing me for my accusing playstyle. Which would be scummy if Drezi still was the scum, but apparently none of you agree.
I'm leaning on voting CB for now, since I'd put a useless-null read on DD for now.
I'm leaning on voting CB for now, since I'd put a useless-null read on DD for now.
I have really no motivation to do anything, I just see CB forcing a scumread on you despite your claim, no idea if he is hiding something or not
And the rest are being lurksacks so idk what's even going on or what to ask or shit
So scum shoot me pls so I can stop posting crap
Because I'm tired of this.
Also a half-brained one wouldn't even vote for me.
Topic Starter
Nice discussion going on
I know right.......?
BAM! A gunshot was heard!
OMG who got hit
The vig has stricken!
Welp! I'm bleeding to death!
Oh noes what role are u??!
I'm VT..........
Oh.............Bye VT?..............
Tanzklaue, Town Villager was shot because VTs are hated this game.
I know right.......?
BAM! A gunshot was heard!
OMG who got hit
The vig has stricken!
Welp! I'm bleeding to death!
Oh noes what role are u??!
I'm VT..........
Oh.............Bye VT?..............
Tanzklaue, Town Villager was shot because VTs are hated this game.
Topic Starter
If there is any mistake please inform meSetsuen wrote:
Vote Count 2.5
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[2]-Drezi,DakeDekaane
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
Not Voting:rEdo,StaticNoiseBird,BRBP
Yeah, think about this.
farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.
Was a good game, you guys.
farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.
Was a good game, you guys.
Vote: DD
Unvote
Vote: SNB
sry CB bby
Vote: SNB
sry CB bby
So... that's it? You're giving up?Static Noise Bird wrote:
Yeah, think about this.
farto fakeclaimed - Tanz got shot because scums like to live on the edge.
I fakeclaimed - I get lynched because I'm an obvious scum now.
Was a good game, you guys.
No. If I did, I would have voted for myself or something stupid like that.
It's just that nobody will understand my fake-claim, and nobody will believe that I'm a townsperson. For good reasons, too. I have nothing that I can prove.
It's just that nobody will understand my fake-claim, and nobody will believe that I'm a townsperson. For good reasons, too. I have nothing that I can prove.
I call bullshit.
I knew/hoped BRBP was the cop from the moment he went from the null-scum read on me to null-town.
I will explain the things, if I'm allowed to roleslip/reveal my real role.
I will explain the things, if I'm allowed to roleslip/reveal my real role.
Unvote
Explain your shit.
Alright.
I neighbourized farto on the night before, who turned out to be VT. He had claimed BP earlier, so when the claim request occurred, I submitted to claim VT myself. I didn't see him (or after the replacement, Tanz) receiving the bullet after BP claim, but apparently the scum wanted to shoot the possible BP for shits and giggles. If I claimed my real role I could very well have taken the bullet instantly, so I saw that as a better solution.
That should be all and enough.
I neighbourized farto on the night before, who turned out to be VT. He had claimed BP earlier, so when the claim request occurred, I submitted to claim VT myself. I didn't see him (or after the replacement, Tanz) receiving the bullet after BP claim, but apparently the scum wanted to shoot the possible BP for shits and giggles. If I claimed my real role I could very well have taken the bullet instantly, so I saw that as a better solution.
That should be all and enough.
So we have 2 confirmed town, we can go nolynch with no regrets with doc protecting any of them at randomly (I'd choose cop, but whatever), so scum has like 50% of making a successful NK even if they don't shoot them because BP and Doc :^)
<3Static Noise Bird wrote:
I knew/hoped BRBP was the cop from the moment he went from the null-scum read on me to null-town.
13 hours left, scum can lurk until the night and it's too late to go for a massclaim. No lynch?
Scratch that, protect cop.
More likely we'll have still 2 confirmed or 1 confirmed scum, and in the best case, 3 confirmed town.
or 2 town and 1 scum, blabla
Vote: Nolynch
Vote: Nolynch
Vote: No lynch
Unvote
Vote: No Lynch
Vote: No Lynch
Topic Starter
People have voted for No lynch.Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 2.6
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[1]-CalignoBot
CalignoBot[1]-Drezi
BRBP[]
rEdo[]
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
NoLynch[3]-BRBP,DakeDekaane,StaticNoiseBird
Not Voting:rEdo
It is now Night2 Please submit your night actions.
A few things to remember because really now:
Roleblock will STILL use up one of Cop's usage(Cop can submit no one if they want)
Doctor protection takes priority over BP
If you have any questions about the mechanics feel free to ask in PM.
Night2 will end in 24hours time at 23June 5:30PM(GMT+8) OR until all night actions are submitted.
Topic Starter
Is everyone here?
Lets see...... 1,2,3,4,5..........6.
No one died?.........
Maybe it's a zombie invasion now that all the VT died.
I wonder........
No one died.
It's now Day3.
Deadline will end on Saturday 28June 8PM(GMT+8)
Lets see...... 1,2,3,4,5..........6.
No one died?.........
Maybe it's a zombie invasion now that all the VT died.
I wonder........
No one died.
It's now Day3.
Deadline will end on Saturday 28June 8PM(GMT+8)
Wowzie. It's the newbie mafia all over again.
BRBP I'm assuming you were blocked since I wasn't. If not, results could be handy.
BRBP I'm assuming you were blocked since I wasn't. If not, results could be handy.
Topic Starter
Mostly following IRC mafia where 3votes out of 6 would have caused a NL.BRBP wrote:
Why did no lynch happen with 3 votes, I thought we need 4.
I didn't even know there's a roleblocker, should've read the first post :^)
Don't tell lol!
Either that or say that you haven't.
Why are you asking that rEdo?
Either that or say that you haven't.
Why are you asking that rEdo?
Oh well, I guess that leaves us with nothing but massclaim right now. Scum cannot claim VT, since this would basically be a scumclaim. The two inconsistencies = scum found.
Claim: Doctor
1st night: fartownik
2nd night: BRBP
Claim: Doctor
1st night: fartownik
2nd night: BRBP
Because having a wasted shot would mean less conftown for us. We're sure of BRBP (nobody CC-d, so I guess that's enough) and SNB (BRBP scan) being town.
Having two 1v1s is the best course of action we can take at this point, I believe.
Having two 1v1s is the best course of action we can take at this point, I believe.
Him telling he wasted a shot would mean scum is free to try and roleblock doc, it makes even less sense now that you claimed it.
Vote: rEdo
Vote: rEdo
Also it makes no sense for town to go ahead with your claim without hearing what the others have to say about it.
BRBP, did you investigate anyone? If you did, that would mean you got roleblocked (if you did not receive results), and you would have not gotten roleblocked and killed both, obviously. That would mean rEdo is the worst scum in the history of scums.
Not sure if I'm just being dumb, which might be the case (surprise surprise!), but I'm not really not confused. I need sleep, once again.
rEdo, claiming Doc is like the worst thing you can do.
I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
Dayvig shot him, if I'm not incorrect.
Vigshot/killed, it's the same, scum killed Tanz.
Why do you think Dake?DakeDekaane wrote:
I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
And rEdo needs to give a veeery insightful and detailed explanation on how claiming doctor would benefit town in any way in this situation.
Sorry, mood has been in the shitter for the past day due to work crap. I'll have more later when I'm in less of a foul mood. That and I have to leave for work pretty much ASAP anyways.
I will think about the current situation and whether a mass claim is optimal or not, though. I know that if we mass claim, we can never go below two confirmed town for the rest of the game and we'll remove one more person from the lynch list today if we choose correctly, as well as giving the mafia less wiggle room, but revealing who the BP is can remove the only positive WIFOM we have (assuming rEdo is fake. As long as it's a possibility, I'll assume it's true for this point). It also gives the mafia a firm position to argue with, which they don't really have right now. I am not sure which possibility is better yet.
Also, stop suggesting bad ideas BRBP.
I will think about the current situation and whether a mass claim is optimal or not, though. I know that if we mass claim, we can never go below two confirmed town for the rest of the game and we'll remove one more person from the lynch list today if we choose correctly, as well as giving the mafia less wiggle room, but revealing who the BP is can remove the only positive WIFOM we have (assuming rEdo is fake. As long as it's a possibility, I'll assume it's true for this point). It also gives the mafia a firm position to argue with, which they don't really have right now. I am not sure which possibility is better yet.
Also, stop suggesting bad ideas BRBP.
Topic Starter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 3.1
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]i
BRBP[]
rEdo[1]-Drezi
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
Not Voting:rEdo,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
Setsuen wrote:
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
Setsuen wrote:
3.1
i swear to god
Caligno, can I vote you?
Topic Starter
What. Isn't it 3.1? ;cBRBP wrote:
Setsuen wrote:
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
3.1
prod rEdo please
modkill would be even better <3
modkill would be even better <3
Topic Starter
rEdo,Drezi,CalignoBot and Static Noise Bird have been prodded.
much activity on D3.
much activity on D3.
Sorry, I knew I should have posted something before going to sleep, but I didn't know I was going to sleep for like 10 hours.
Caligno, Drezi, rEdo pls
DakeDekaane wrote:
why was Tanz killed?
Maybe because he was moving the game in a good direction for town, prompting activity, votes etc. Also he was scumreading you, also he was shot when CB started receiving votes. I wouldn't draw too firm conclusions from these facts though...
I'd still like you to share your views on the matter too.
I'd still like you to share your views on the matter too.
My best guess is he was seen as the most clear-headed out of everyone here. Everyone else at the time was pretty much just going full retard.DakeDekaane wrote:
Caligno, Drezi, rEdo plsDakeDekaane wrote:
why was Tanz killed?
Vote: rEdo
Topic Starter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.[/quote]Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 3.2
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[L-1]-Drezi,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[]
Not Voting:rEdo,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
Don't prod me pls.
Also what the fuck guys, are you voting rEdo for real? I mean, he's not clear, but he's not guility, yet.
Also what the fuck guys, are you voting rEdo for real? I mean, he's not clear, but he's not guility, yet.
I think real Doc (in the case rEdo is fakeclaiming) should claim.
Oh, so rEdo decides that a massclaim is a great idea and starts off on his own without even waiting for anyone to agree, denying discussion and basically screwing us over in case he didn't think of something, and doesn't even bother to reply and explain himself and you're voting me? How peculiar.
I don't want to lynch him without any further discussion obviously, but the pressure is very much justified. And a lynch aswell in case he can't give very convincing reasons, which he had 2 days to do, but failed to do yet.
SNB's point is pretty valid too, cause I don't believe scum had any reason to not try to shoot a conf town.
Massclaim/cc -> scum will be sure about the exact role setup, doc gets RB-d for the rest of the game, they 100% NK a conf town, probably cop so they won't be investigated in case he saved the shot. Does that seems like a good idea to you?
I don't want to lynch him without any further discussion obviously, but the pressure is very much justified. And a lynch aswell in case he can't give very convincing reasons, which he had 2 days to do, but failed to do yet.
SNB's point is pretty valid too, cause I don't believe scum had any reason to not try to shoot a conf town.
Massclaim/cc -> scum will be sure about the exact role setup, doc gets RB-d for the rest of the game, they 100% NK a conf town, probably cop so they won't be investigated in case he saved the shot. Does that seems like a good idea to you?
The fact that rEdo doesn't seem to give a shit about being lynched makes me unsure about his claim, true doc should claim so we know who is scum.
Sigh.
I'm the real doctor. So obviously I know it for a fact that rEdo is fake. I wanted to avoid having to claim, to keep the BP wifom going for us, and get a shot at protecting a conf town, but I guess scum already figured it out, since if CB was the doc, he wouldn't have voted me, and if it was Dake he wouldn't have suggested that the doc counterclaimed...
oh and n1: dake, n2: SNB
Also, DON'T hammer just yet, I want to hear from the both of you first - why you (pretty much) gave my role away to scum, instead of waiting with this, and deciding on what to do AFTER hearing what rEdo had to say in his defense.
I'm the real doctor. So obviously I know it for a fact that rEdo is fake. I wanted to avoid having to claim, to keep the BP wifom going for us, and get a shot at protecting a conf town, but I guess scum already figured it out, since if CB was the doc, he wouldn't have voted me, and if it was Dake he wouldn't have suggested that the doc counterclaimed...
oh and n1: dake, n2: SNB
Also, DON'T hammer just yet, I want to hear from the both of you first - why you (pretty much) gave my role away to scum, instead of waiting with this, and deciding on what to do AFTER hearing what rEdo had to say in his defense.
Vote:CalignoBot
Now you can't die without exposing rEdo.
Sheep Dake kthxbai
Most definitely NO.
We are not taking chances deciding if it's you or CB, when rEdo was already pretty much confirmed scum without my counterclaim aswell.
Go ahead promoting an other lynch and we can be sure that you're the other scum :^)
Answer me instead.
We are not taking chances deciding if it's you or CB, when rEdo was already pretty much confirmed scum without my counterclaim aswell.
Go ahead promoting an other lynch and we can be sure that you're the other scum :^)
Answer me instead.
Also
Unvote
for a while to stop scum from cutting the day short.
Unvote
for a while to stop scum from cutting the day short.
I'm placing my vote back on him as soon as you want me to, I just don't want them to stop the discussion before we feel there's nothing more to be asked, and said.
We're currently 3 town players (Dake, BRBP, SNB), and the 4th town is in {rEdo,Drezi}, so the remaining person (CalignoBot) must be scum.
But yeah, a modkill would be cool too, not because this, but because 3 days without a fucking post.
But yeah, a modkill would be cool too, not because this, but because 3 days without a fucking post.
Silly, but true 
We're currently 3 town players (Drezi, BRBP, SNB), and the 4th town is in {CalignoBot,Dake}, so the remaining person (rEdo) must be scum.
much logic.
You're dodging every question Dake. You also openly suggested that I protect BRBP no matter what, completely ignoring the fact that there is a roleblocker. Also you were spamming posts out of boredom and soon afterwards Tanz was shot. You wanted me to claim, even though revealing myself is pretty bad for town since nothing stops scum from shooting conf towns this way, and now you're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo, who even from town-dake's perspective should be the obvious scum here.
Don't make your situation worse.
much logic.
You're dodging every question Dake. You also openly suggested that I protect BRBP no matter what, completely ignoring the fact that there is a roleblocker. Also you were spamming posts out of boredom and soon afterwards Tanz was shot. You wanted me to claim, even though revealing myself is pretty bad for town since nothing stops scum from shooting conf towns this way, and now you're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo, who even from town-dake's perspective should be the obvious scum here.
Don't make your situation worse.
Yes, I forgot about the rolebocker as I was more worried about the dayvig.
Yes, I was spamming post out of boredom in order to get people to post/react/whatever.
Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.
But what were the benefits? Scum can't kill the Doc now and scum has like 33% chance of getting a successful NK now.
And as someone who is aware of his own alignment, that logic is the best way to go for me.
Yes, I was spamming post out of boredom in order to get people to post/react/whatever.
Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.
But what were the benefits? Scum can't kill the Doc now and scum has like 33% chance of getting a successful NK now.
And as someone who is aware of his own alignment, that logic is the best way to go for me.
Would you kill the real doc when your partner has been lynched and you claimed doc?
Scum will roleblock me every night, and kill a confirmed town every night, how is that 33% chance. It's 100%...
I re-phrased my post, but forgot to delete "a" obviously -.-'Drezi wrote:
You're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo
I should've asked if roleblocker can kill and block at the same time /facepalm
But still not 100%, tbh I really have no worries about lynching rEdo given your actual behaviour tho.
But still not 100%, tbh I really have no worries about lynching rEdo given your actual behaviour tho.