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Debatable Mafia: Game Over! Town PRs survives!
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Not sure if I'm just being dumb, which might be the case (surprise surprise!), but I'm not really not confused. I need sleep, once again.
rEdo, claiming Doc is like the worst thing you can do.
I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
Dayvig shot him, if I'm not incorrect.
Vigshot/killed, it's the same, scum killed Tanz.
Why do you think Dake?DakeDekaane wrote:
I have a question for everyone, why was Tanz killed?
And rEdo needs to give a veeery insightful and detailed explanation on how claiming doctor would benefit town in any way in this situation.
Sorry, mood has been in the shitter for the past day due to work crap. I'll have more later when I'm in less of a foul mood. That and I have to leave for work pretty much ASAP anyways.
I will think about the current situation and whether a mass claim is optimal or not, though. I know that if we mass claim, we can never go below two confirmed town for the rest of the game and we'll remove one more person from the lynch list today if we choose correctly, as well as giving the mafia less wiggle room, but revealing who the BP is can remove the only positive WIFOM we have (assuming rEdo is fake. As long as it's a possibility, I'll assume it's true for this point). It also gives the mafia a firm position to argue with, which they don't really have right now. I am not sure which possibility is better yet.
Also, stop suggesting bad ideas BRBP.
I will think about the current situation and whether a mass claim is optimal or not, though. I know that if we mass claim, we can never go below two confirmed town for the rest of the game and we'll remove one more person from the lynch list today if we choose correctly, as well as giving the mafia less wiggle room, but revealing who the BP is can remove the only positive WIFOM we have (assuming rEdo is fake. As long as it's a possibility, I'll assume it's true for this point). It also gives the mafia a firm position to argue with, which they don't really have right now. I am not sure which possibility is better yet.
Also, stop suggesting bad ideas BRBP.
Topic Starter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 3.1
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]i
BRBP[]
rEdo[1]-Drezi
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[0]
Not Voting:rEdo,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
Setsuen wrote:
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.
Setsuen wrote:
3.1
i swear to god
Caligno, can I vote you?
Topic Starter
What. Isn't it 3.1? ;cBRBP wrote:
Setsuen wrote:
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.Setsuen wrote:
3.1
prod rEdo please
modkill would be even better <3
modkill would be even better <3
Topic Starter
rEdo,Drezi,CalignoBot and Static Noise Bird have been prodded.
much activity on D3.
much activity on D3.
Sorry, I knew I should have posted something before going to sleep, but I didn't know I was going to sleep for like 10 hours.
Caligno, Drezi, rEdo pls
DakeDekaane wrote:
why was Tanz killed?
Maybe because he was moving the game in a good direction for town, prompting activity, votes etc. Also he was scumreading you, also he was shot when CB started receiving votes. I wouldn't draw too firm conclusions from these facts though...
I'd still like you to share your views on the matter too.
I'd still like you to share your views on the matter too.
My best guess is he was seen as the most clear-headed out of everyone here. Everyone else at the time was pretty much just going full retard.DakeDekaane wrote:
Caligno, Drezi, rEdo plsDakeDekaane wrote:
why was Tanz killed?
Vote: rEdo
Topic Starter
If there is any mistakes, please inform me.[/quote]Setsuen wrote:
Vote Count 3.2
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[L-1]-Drezi,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[]
Not Voting:rEdo,CalignoBot,DakeDekaane
Don't prod me pls.
Also what the fuck guys, are you voting rEdo for real? I mean, he's not clear, but he's not guility, yet.
Also what the fuck guys, are you voting rEdo for real? I mean, he's not clear, but he's not guility, yet.
I think real Doc (in the case rEdo is fakeclaiming) should claim.
Oh, so rEdo decides that a massclaim is a great idea and starts off on his own without even waiting for anyone to agree, denying discussion and basically screwing us over in case he didn't think of something, and doesn't even bother to reply and explain himself and you're voting me? How peculiar.
I don't want to lynch him without any further discussion obviously, but the pressure is very much justified. And a lynch aswell in case he can't give very convincing reasons, which he had 2 days to do, but failed to do yet.
SNB's point is pretty valid too, cause I don't believe scum had any reason to not try to shoot a conf town.
Massclaim/cc -> scum will be sure about the exact role setup, doc gets RB-d for the rest of the game, they 100% NK a conf town, probably cop so they won't be investigated in case he saved the shot. Does that seems like a good idea to you?
I don't want to lynch him without any further discussion obviously, but the pressure is very much justified. And a lynch aswell in case he can't give very convincing reasons, which he had 2 days to do, but failed to do yet.
SNB's point is pretty valid too, cause I don't believe scum had any reason to not try to shoot a conf town.
Massclaim/cc -> scum will be sure about the exact role setup, doc gets RB-d for the rest of the game, they 100% NK a conf town, probably cop so they won't be investigated in case he saved the shot. Does that seems like a good idea to you?
The fact that rEdo doesn't seem to give a shit about being lynched makes me unsure about his claim, true doc should claim so we know who is scum.
Sigh.
I'm the real doctor. So obviously I know it for a fact that rEdo is fake. I wanted to avoid having to claim, to keep the BP wifom going for us, and get a shot at protecting a conf town, but I guess scum already figured it out, since if CB was the doc, he wouldn't have voted me, and if it was Dake he wouldn't have suggested that the doc counterclaimed...
oh and n1: dake, n2: SNB
Also, DON'T hammer just yet, I want to hear from the both of you first - why you (pretty much) gave my role away to scum, instead of waiting with this, and deciding on what to do AFTER hearing what rEdo had to say in his defense.
I'm the real doctor. So obviously I know it for a fact that rEdo is fake. I wanted to avoid having to claim, to keep the BP wifom going for us, and get a shot at protecting a conf town, but I guess scum already figured it out, since if CB was the doc, he wouldn't have voted me, and if it was Dake he wouldn't have suggested that the doc counterclaimed...
oh and n1: dake, n2: SNB
Also, DON'T hammer just yet, I want to hear from the both of you first - why you (pretty much) gave my role away to scum, instead of waiting with this, and deciding on what to do AFTER hearing what rEdo had to say in his defense.
Vote:CalignoBot
Now you can't die without exposing rEdo.
Sheep Dake kthxbai
Most definitely NO.
We are not taking chances deciding if it's you or CB, when rEdo was already pretty much confirmed scum without my counterclaim aswell.
Go ahead promoting an other lynch and we can be sure that you're the other scum :^)
Answer me instead.
We are not taking chances deciding if it's you or CB, when rEdo was already pretty much confirmed scum without my counterclaim aswell.
Go ahead promoting an other lynch and we can be sure that you're the other scum :^)
Answer me instead.
Also
Unvote
for a while to stop scum from cutting the day short.
Unvote
for a while to stop scum from cutting the day short.
I'm placing my vote back on him as soon as you want me to, I just don't want them to stop the discussion before we feel there's nothing more to be asked, and said.
We're currently 3 town players (Dake, BRBP, SNB), and the 4th town is in {rEdo,Drezi}, so the remaining person (CalignoBot) must be scum.
But yeah, a modkill would be cool too, not because this, but because 3 days without a fucking post.
But yeah, a modkill would be cool too, not because this, but because 3 days without a fucking post.
Silly, but true 
We're currently 3 town players (Drezi, BRBP, SNB), and the 4th town is in {CalignoBot,Dake}, so the remaining person (rEdo) must be scum.
much logic.
You're dodging every question Dake. You also openly suggested that I protect BRBP no matter what, completely ignoring the fact that there is a roleblocker. Also you were spamming posts out of boredom and soon afterwards Tanz was shot. You wanted me to claim, even though revealing myself is pretty bad for town since nothing stops scum from shooting conf towns this way, and now you're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo, who even from town-dake's perspective should be the obvious scum here.
Don't make your situation worse.
much logic.
You're dodging every question Dake. You also openly suggested that I protect BRBP no matter what, completely ignoring the fact that there is a roleblocker. Also you were spamming posts out of boredom and soon afterwards Tanz was shot. You wanted me to claim, even though revealing myself is pretty bad for town since nothing stops scum from shooting conf towns this way, and now you're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo, who even from town-dake's perspective should be the obvious scum here.
Don't make your situation worse.
Yes, I forgot about the rolebocker as I was more worried about the dayvig.
Yes, I was spamming post out of boredom in order to get people to post/react/whatever.
Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.
But what were the benefits? Scum can't kill the Doc now and scum has like 33% chance of getting a successful NK now.
And as someone who is aware of his own alignment, that logic is the best way to go for me.
Yes, I was spamming post out of boredom in order to get people to post/react/whatever.
Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.
But what were the benefits? Scum can't kill the Doc now and scum has like 33% chance of getting a successful NK now.
And as someone who is aware of his own alignment, that logic is the best way to go for me.
Would you kill the real doc when your partner has been lynched and you claimed doc?
Scum will roleblock me every night, and kill a confirmed town every night, how is that 33% chance. It's 100%...
I re-phrased my post, but forgot to delete "a" obviously -.-'Drezi wrote:
You're trying to stop the lynch on a rEdo
I should've asked if roleblocker can kill and block at the same time /facepalm
But still not 100%, tbh I really have no worries about lynching rEdo given your actual behaviour tho.
But still not 100%, tbh I really have no worries about lynching rEdo given your actual behaviour tho.
And then, enlightenment happened.
Vote: rEdo
yolo
Vote: rEdo
yolo
It's only 100% from your perspective, and you knew that.DakeDekaane wrote:
Yes, I asked you to claim even knowing the risks, with the purpose of getting one 100% scum without risking a possible mislynch.
(Talking beforehand is acceptable as long as the lynch scene has not been posted yet.)
Too bad, this is what I wanted to avoid, and for some reason rEdo awoke from his eternal slumber after Dake decided to vote him suddenly ^^
Too bad, this is what I wanted to avoid, and for some reason rEdo awoke from his eternal slumber after Dake decided to vote him suddenly ^^
Though to be honest I really wanted CB to talk aswell, so we could make more sense of the person being NK-ed.
I got tired of this game in the middle of it, and seeked some entertainment in going full retard with the doc claim just to fish some possible roles
I also didn't expect my new work to be THIS time consuming, that's the main reason for my inactivity
I also didn't expect my new work to be THIS time consuming, that's the main reason for my inactivity
I explicitly asked not to hammer, cause I wanted answers from both you and CB, I even removed my vote to stop him from self-hammering, so why did you go against this by placing a vote there Dake? Saying that you changed your mind about the situation would have been enough surely.
Hearing from CB aswell before I'm 100% confirmed town would have been valuable I think.
You're hoping too much, CB is confirmed scum for me.
So are you for him now.. And even though he was voting me, he didn't have to chance to attack/change his opinion on his own about my claim.
I'm sure he was slightly trying to us make a case on you with his vote, as he barely elaborated.
Heck, didn't even barely elaborated.
Topic Starter
LYNCH SCENE COMING UPSetsuen wrote:
Vote Count 3.3
With 6Alive it takes 4 to lynch.
StaticNoiseBird[]
CalignoBot[]
BRBP[]
rEdo[LYNCH]-,BRBP,StaticNoiseBird,DakeDekaane,rEdo
DakeDekaane[]
Drezi[1]-CalignoBot
Not Voting:Drezi
Topic Starter
I'm the doctor guys
hmmm I don't believe you. Can the real doc please claim?
Someone else:I is real doc!
Oh shoot! I was getting tired of this game anyway......
rEdo, Mafia Roleblocker has died D3 from boredom.
wait what?! The roleblocker fakeclaimed?
erm yeah?........
Well that makes it easier for us...........
hmmm I don't believe you. Can the real doc please claim?
Someone else:I is real doc!
Oh shoot! I was getting tired of this game anyway......
rEdo, Mafia Roleblocker has died D3 from boredom.
wait what?! The roleblocker fakeclaimed?
erm yeah?........
Well that makes it easier for us...........
Topic Starter
It is now Night3.
Night3 will end in 24hours, 28June 9AM(GMT +8) Please submit your night actions by then.
Night3 will end in 24hours, 28June 9AM(GMT +8) Please submit your night actions by then.
Topic Starter
It's now Day4.
No one died?.............
Oh wait.....someone did.
They even left a dead note...........
It says:I give up my luck is horrible.
CalignoBot, Mafia 1-Shot Vig has self deleted himself because he felt he can't win.
Drezi, Town Doctor have survived and won!
BRBP, Town Cop have survived and won!
DakeDekaane, 1-Shot Bulletproof have survived and won!
StaticNoiseBird, Town Neighbouriser have survived and won!
No one died?.............
Oh wait.....someone did.
They even left a dead note...........
It says:I give up my luck is horrible.
CalignoBot, Mafia 1-Shot Vig has self deleted himself because he felt he can't win.
Drezi, Town Doctor have survived and won!
BRBP, Town Cop have survived and won!
DakeDekaane, 1-Shot Bulletproof have survived and won!
StaticNoiseBird, Town Neighbouriser have survived and won!
This trend of villain factions killing themselves.
Topic Starter
Actions
Night1:
Drezi protects DakeDekaane(Success)-LOL Double protection
BRBP investigate StaticNoiseBird(Success) Result:Town aligned. -I thought this was dumb until 1-shot vig shot the last VT and Static was on chopping board
StaticNoiseBird neighbourise fartownik(Success)
Mafia kills Gumica(success)
rEdo blocks fartownik(Success?)-Kills PR AND Block PR. Are u srs
Day2:
fartownik gets replaced by Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue replaces fartownik in Nieghbouriser's house
CalignoBot shoots Tanzklaue
Night2:
Drezi protects StaticNoiseBird(Success)
BRBP does nothing(Sucess?...........)
StaticNoiseBIrd neighbourise DakeDekaane(Success)
Mafia kills StaticNoiseBird(failed due to doctor)
rEdo blocks BRBP(Succcess but BRBP did nothing......)
Night3:
CalignoBot kills self(Success)-Doctor why didn't you doc. LOL
Drezi protects BRBP(Success)
BRBP investigates CalignoBot(Success)
StaticNoisebird does nothing(Success)
Night1:
Drezi protects DakeDekaane(Success)-LOL Double protection
BRBP investigate StaticNoiseBird(Success) Result:Town aligned. -I thought this was dumb until 1-shot vig shot the last VT and Static was on chopping board
StaticNoiseBird neighbourise fartownik(Success)
Mafia kills Gumica(success)
rEdo blocks fartownik(Success?)-Kills PR AND Block PR. Are u srs
Day2:
fartownik gets replaced by Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue replaces fartownik in Nieghbouriser's house
CalignoBot shoots Tanzklaue
Night2:
Drezi protects StaticNoiseBird(Success)
BRBP does nothing(Sucess?...........)
StaticNoiseBIrd neighbourise DakeDekaane(Success)
Mafia kills StaticNoiseBird(failed due to doctor)
rEdo blocks BRBP(Succcess but BRBP did nothing......)
Night3:
CalignoBot kills self(Success)-Doctor why didn't you doc. LOL
Drezi protects BRBP(Success)
BRBP investigates CalignoBot(Success)
StaticNoisebird does nothing(Success)
FTR Setsuen: p/3149721/
Don't do this. If someone uses an action that is not valid, ignore it. Don't acknowledge it. It's a game moderator's job to provide the game for the players to play. Interfering with the game is a massive no-no.
p/3153162/
This is completely unacceptable. This is directly interfering with the game. Again, it is not your job to play the game, so don't.
Idle banter can be okay when there is no way that it can affect the game. It's perfectly acceptable in that case. However, if you are unsure whether it would be okay or not, then don't post it.
Everyone else who is thinking of hosting a game should keep this in mind as well. It is vital to maintaining game integrity.
Don't do this. If someone uses an action that is not valid, ignore it. Don't acknowledge it. It's a game moderator's job to provide the game for the players to play. Interfering with the game is a massive no-no.
p/3153162/
This is completely unacceptable. This is directly interfering with the game. Again, it is not your job to play the game, so don't.
Idle banter can be okay when there is no way that it can affect the game. It's perfectly acceptable in that case. However, if you are unsure whether it would be okay or not, then don't post it.
Everyone else who is thinking of hosting a game should keep this in mind as well. It is vital to maintaining game integrity.
i would've lynched SnB a 100 times if he hadn't neighbourized me.
and farto i had lynched too if i hadn't replaced into his spot.
basically, i got lucky that the two prime scumsuspects of mine were confirmed town, or else this would've ended badly. town activity was bad as always, and as always good scum uses the inactivity and just controls townplay. and even bad lurkfuckscum like redo can hcomfortably because the rest lurks as much.
i can't stop emphasizing this, but: if you're town, at least be active. it makes identifying the lurking scum much easier as opposed to giving the lurkscum comfortable hiding space amongst town lurkers. you can't read into lurking too much at the end of the day, so every lurker is automatically null-scum, and in a 9 player game having 3 lurking null scum with 2 of those being town is very unbeneficial to the town cause.
anyway, deadchat was boring, http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/B7btphNwdt9Zv
and farto i had lynched too if i hadn't replaced into his spot.
basically, i got lucky that the two prime scumsuspects of mine were confirmed town, or else this would've ended badly. town activity was bad as always, and as always good scum uses the inactivity and just controls townplay. and even bad lurkfuckscum like redo can hcomfortably because the rest lurks as much.
i can't stop emphasizing this, but: if you're town, at least be active. it makes identifying the lurking scum much easier as opposed to giving the lurkscum comfortable hiding space amongst town lurkers. you can't read into lurking too much at the end of the day, so every lurker is automatically null-scum, and in a 9 player game having 3 lurking null scum with 2 of those being town is very unbeneficial to the town cause.
anyway, deadchat was boring, http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/B7btphNwdt9Zv
This.Tanzklaue wrote:
i can't stop emphasizing this, but: if you're town, at least be active. it makes identifying the lurking scum much easier as opposed to giving the lurkscum comfortable hiding space amongst town lurkers.
We would've had a pretty easy win if night 1 hadn't have gone perfectly for town. NoHitter getting lynched was a big blow for town day-play wise since everyone else really just kind of added to the massive WIFOM.
If anyone was wondering why Tanz died... that was an attempt to frame Dake.
Yeah well, it was funny how you killed all the VTs and BRBP had a result on SNB to save that busted fakeclaim.
New game starting any time soon?
New game starting any time soon?