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Why you aren't improving at osu! "HOW DO I GET BETTER?!?!"

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ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

Kurimu wrote:

i just play osu and get better. i get frustrated but my frustration motivates me. i play for hours trying to improve my movement and my rhythm and then hours when im warmed up improving my speed. i dont see why this has to be as complicated as a nuclear reactor to understand. i mean i know people frown on saying "practice and get better" but practice has a lot of very small components which make it easy to understand. practice rhythm, movement and speed. sometimes practicing on lower speeds to ease yourself into higher ones is a good idea. practice noticeable flaws, sometimes feedback from friends is required for this. thats basically all i do and i continue to improve. ezpz.

i however never think i will be a top 500 or so player.. but that is a self confidence unrelated to osu style problem i have to tackle in my personal life. =w=
I agree with you practice is probably the only way to truly get better (if you haven't noticed I basically snuck in ways to practice throughout this entire thread without just saying "practice" by itself) osu! isn't something you can get better at by studying without doing. That would be similar to studying how a pianos pedals work and where the notes are at, then never playing a piano, and then expecting to be a master at it merely because you know how it works. At the same time I feel like it should be a given that my thoughts are not going to be correct for everyone because everyone's different and there are always exceptions. If you can honestly say you play osu! for hours constantly frustrated and using that frustration to improve I can respect that, in fact, if that's true you have the patience of a saint. My only counterargument could be, OKAY so lets say you get really good at osu! and you are now the best player of all times... now what? What's the point in improving if, from what I've gathered from what you said, you're just kinda pissing yourself off (frustrating yourself) for hours. Is it really worth it to spend countless hours you'll never get back only to find out that once you get good it doesn't even matter because you didn't like it in the first place? By the way that's one of my more objective thoughts too.

If someone was practicing playing a guitar and you asked them if they liked to play the guitar and they said "it just frustrates me so I try to improve" wouldn't that kind of strike you as an "okay...what's the point of that?" moment? You didn't ever say you didn't enjoy osu! and I'm really not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm merely trying to back up my argument. You don't have to agree with it by any means in fact I encourage the challenging of ideas but at the same time I'm going to challenge the ideas that challenge my ideas and then me challenging others challenges is going to have someone else challenge my challenge its an endless cycle! It is true that I cannot ever have the same experiences as others or feel the exact same way as others or see things the exact same way as others, therefore, I'm kind of forced to generalize within this thread.... If it helps at least some people out great I would love that more than anything, and if it doesn't, that's okay too I'm sure they will find their own individualized ways to improve. My point is that 9 times out of 10 someone is really close and just needs just a tiny bit of information, possibly from this thread, to get over some kind of slump they're in or wall they've hit and that's what I'm hoping to accomplish. That's why I have to make it "rocket science" because if I don't and I merely generalized any further than I already have by just saying "practice" without explaining the problem/how to practice then my odds of helping anyone at all are just pretty much none. Hopefully this made some kind of sense I'm pretty scatter brained so I tend to jump between issues but this is probably as good as my response is gonna get.
Maxcimum_old
Maxcimum_old
How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..
Bakanowy
37 posts
Joined October 2012
Bakanowy
I've played this game a long while and I feel like i've been through some rough practice many times to the point where I know if i can FC a song. But the thing is.. ill get 1x miss every single play. Not even on the same notes. You're gonna wonder why I play the same map over and over, honestly i dont know either. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/134008 The main issue I see is the snapping, keep in mind i've played this map literally 40 times in a row(full duration no omg i missed time to retry bullshit) to the point i know how it flows correctly. But i still have this timing error.... I don't know how to fix it. It depresses the hell out of me and makes me quit.. because I feel i really could destroy it easily.
Eraqus
64 posts
Joined March 2013
Eraqus

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..
I have the same problem, you need to press a lot harder the keys making impossible to get an accurate stream at 200+ bpm. The only solution is to get a mechanical one, laptops are not for this game unless you are already pro in this game.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

leyendax69 wrote:

I have the same problem, you need to press a lot harder the keys making impossible to get an accurate stream at 200+ bpm. The only solution is to get a mechanical one, laptops are not for this game unless you are already pro in this game.
Having tested a laptop keyboard I can tell it's not THAT awful, might even be easier in some aspect because the keys are flat (speed), altough it's probably worse for long streams, my accuracy doesn't change going from one to the other
Ethelon
76 posts
Joined May 2013
Ethelon
I don't think people should generalize laptop keyboards. I'm assuming there's a difference between mine and all these other horrible ones people complain about, but if not then I don't really even see the big deal.
I prefer my laptop keyboard for speed, but from my limited experience with mechanical keyboards (friends, and ordered one recently), they feel better to play on and you don't have to hold back as much (I'm always afraid I'll break my laptop keys).
Eraqus
64 posts
Joined March 2013
Eraqus

GoldenWolf wrote:

Having tested a laptop keyboard I can tell it's not THAT awful, might even be easier in some aspect because the keys are flat (speed), altough it's probably worse for long streams, my accuracy doesn't change going from one to the other
Indeed, is bad for long streams but not just that (at least in my case) I don't find a way where my arm and hand are confortables playing. Totally different to the few times I tried a mechanical kb, but maybe that's just me.
Karuta-_old_1
946 posts
Joined November 2009
Karuta-_old_1

leyendax69 wrote:

Indeed, is bad for long streams but not just that (at least in my case) I don't find a way where my arm and hand are confortables playing. Totally different to the few times I tried a mechanical kb, but maybe that's just me.
It's not just you man.

Laptop keyboards have too little feedback which makes pressing it very very dull, I am only talking about those in general. While mechanical keyboard usually gives you that 'solid' feel and control, that's why all my FC with laptop keyboards are A's and mech kb are S's for songs that are harder to aim

But then again, my laptop keyboard has some kind of delay that is offsetting my presses after it reaches the 3rd key
ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..
Well since this somehow became about keyboards I guess I'll give this one a shot too lol. Okay laptop keyboards which i had used for roughly 3-4 months until i got my mechanical keyboard are definitely more difficult to stream on. For one on most laptop keyboards they are chiclet style keys or w/e you call them so it's more difficult to get a grip on them. Also they tend to have a much higher actuation force requiring more effort to push down on keys and generally they do make playing more difficult. However i believe that anyone can get respectable playing experience using one. When i switched from my laptop keyboard to cherry mx reds to be honest i noticed no difference in my speed for the first 2 months i used it, in fact, i think i slowed down considerably because the keys are really that sensitive. Honestly i cannot go 5 words without some kind of typo and if you talked to me on osu you would probably wonder if i knew how to use a keyboard for anything other than using two buttons. Back to the matter at hand, in a general sense yes it is more difficult to use the keyboard in a laptop just because of the fact that it requires more force and there is a limit to how fast the keys will pop back up allow you to get another key press in. With that being said, however, in my experience, there was also almost no experience gained for a while after switching between keyboards which is why i say you need to build up skill to use it.

tl;dr version: Laptop keys require more so they are technically more difficult to use but in the end it all depends on your personal skill i believe that while they may be harder to use you can still do perfectly fine on one, however, i also believe that laptop keyboards slow the learning curve and have a much lower skill cap than cherry mx keyboards simply because cherry mx keyboards are specifically designed to be extremely fast for gaming and generally allow you to use less force while still registering keystroke while at the same time giving you good response so you know exactly when you are pressing a key.
Rose Ruby
37 posts
Joined August 2013
Rose Ruby
Am I the only one who have problem with the positioning of his tablet.
Always the same.. I improve in everthing besides Aim.. and i even know the problem..
I tried to play with a skewed postioning for like two months, i ended up that my tablet was nearly vertical.
I even moved my hole room so i could play with a straight tablet postion but my arm always moves always away while playing and i start failing.

I tried like everthing wich was in my mind, i even thoght about buying me a new tablet (wich won't solve my problem so ofc i did not buy one)
I didn't improve for now like 3 months and i feel like it won't change.

Does anyone has an idea how to solve a problem like this..?

(sorry for bad english btw.)
cageslammer
7 posts
Joined October 2013
cageslammer
Starting having problems with my mouse hand freezing, tensing up, shaking.
songs I've had no real problems with are now harder than usual, snapping to notes has proven to be very difficult as well. now i either miscalculate and fall just short of the circle or over-extend.
when i am FINALLY going well my mind go's into overdrive and i start watching unnecessary things trying to watch the TAB score board and my %Hit as well as trying to hit the notes. i end up failing of course

This is all very recent and it's very aggravating.
Rose Ruby
37 posts
Joined August 2013
Rose Ruby

cageslammer wrote:

Starting having problems with my mouse hand freezing, tensing up, shaking.
songs I've had no real problems with are now harder than usual, snapping to notes has proven to be very difficult as well. now i either miscalculate and fall just short of the circle or over-extend.
when i am FINALLY going well my mind go's into overdrive and i start watching unnecessary things trying to watch the TAB score board and my %Hit as well as trying to hit the notes. i end up failing of course

This is all very recent and it's very aggravating.
Go and wash you'r hands with warm water and look that you'r room isn't could or use this kind of gloves.
Helped me alot when my hands were frezing. Hope i could help you in any way.
SPOILER
Kritzkingvoid
194 posts
Joined February 2014
Kritzkingvoid
The main big problem for me while playing osu! is that i can't press 2 keys (Z and X) At the same time , its not that i can't press them at all is that i always panic whenever i see a stream or a pile of beats that i lose my control whenever i try to smash 2 button at the same time. the only solution that i can deal with this is just to use 1 button, and its actually very painful to stream with only 1 finger . I was hoping to get some tips to help me with my 1 button smashing syndrome

I use my Index finger
Soarezi
Soarezi

Kritzkingvoid wrote:

The main big problem for me while playing osu! is that i can't press 2 keys (Z and X) At the same time , its not that i can't press them at all is that i always panic whenever i see a stream or a pile of beats that i lose my control whenever i try to smash 2 button at the same time. the only solution that i can deal with this is just to use 1 button, and its actually very painful to stream with only 1 finger . I was hoping to get some tips to help me with my 1 button smashing syndrome

I use my Index finger
play slow streamy maps and practice.
cageslammer
7 posts
Joined October 2013
cageslammer

goresick wrote:

Go and wash you'r hands with warm water and look that you'r room isn't could or use this kind of gloves.
Helped me alot when my hands were frezing. Hope i could help you in any way.
i would totally love a pair of gloves like that regardless of weather it's cold or not, however sadly i don't think it has something to do with the temperature.
however i will try it. although i still don't understand why my arm freezes up like a brick even at work, watching TV, it was fine a few days ago -.-
and i can probably rule the miscalculations up to overestimating my ability of judgement.

now ima go buy me a pair of them gloves
Lamia
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Joined April 2014
Lamia
It seems like a good article, but i can't understand it.....okay, i still go back to learn more English.
ikzune
159 posts
Joined August 2013
ikzune
shh i like my 4k only bad habit o3o, do play 5k on occasion for fun though c:
Muzika
79 posts
Joined July 2013
Muzika
F is for friends who do stuff together
U is for you and me
N is for anywhere and anytime at all
Down here in the deep blue sea!
:D
NeVMiku
535 posts
Joined August 2012
NeVMiku

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..
I can play AR9 @ 190-200 BPM using the MacBook keyboard. Maybe it's just practice.
Rose Ruby
37 posts
Joined August 2013
Rose Ruby

NeVe12p4wNeD wrote:

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..
I can play AR9 @ 190-200 BPM using the MacBook keyboard. Maybe it's just practice.
Everything is practise but you will defently kill your laptop keyboard by playing to long and to streamy.
jovee_old
6 posts
Joined March 2014
jovee_old
Other than all the reasons listed in this thread, there's also one more,
Blaming your equipment( mouse, keyboard,etc )

Ermagawd my mouse dpi succcckksss ,
ermagawd my keyboard hazzz delay, sometimes nottt even responnndingg

lmao. (This is based on real experience. I was playing with some friends)
Rose Ruby
37 posts
Joined August 2013
Rose Ruby

jovee wrote:

Other than all the reasons listed in this thread, there's also one more,
Blaming your equipment( mouse, keyboard,etc )

Ermagawd my mouse dpi succcckksss ,
ermagawd my keyboard hazzz delay, sometimes nottt even responnndingg

lmao. (This is based on real experience. I was playing with some friends)
Ah yeah and then he finds out that his keyboard really had delay...
People know that for sure that it is there own fold they just have this
kind of personality. But serious i know persons were they equipment has some kind of fault.

I mean I even personly know that. Having a good score on a song and then just near the end,
tablet show no reaction and i fail or the game is laggin.
Insyni
281 posts
Joined July 2012
Insyni
I honestly don't understand the snapping thing for one reason... people say not to play with your hand tensed at all. If you try to snap with your hand is even slightly relaxed, then the mouse will make a small bounce in your hand after the movement and you miss the note.

Can someone explain how you are supposed to snap without holding the mouse tighter?
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

DustyFfy wrote:

I honestly don't understand the snapping thing for one reason... people say not to play with your hand tensed at all. If you try to snap with your hand is even slightly relaxed, then the mouse will make a small bounce in your hand after the movement and you miss the note.

Can someone explain how you are supposed to snap without holding the mouse tighter?
practice and learn to snap without tensing up
Insyni
281 posts
Joined July 2012
Insyni

GoldenWolf wrote:

practice and learn to snap without tensing up
Apparently everything is possible with practice...

Oh, how ignorant I am. :oops:
Just_A_M0nk
5 posts
Joined December 2012
Just_A_M0nk
Read the whole topic and agree with every word. Players are getting better every time they hit the circles. The faster you have to hit - the more you need to spend time to do it. "Difficulty" is moving away from the "comfort zone" in many directions: faster speed, smaller circles, longer streams, shorter sliders, etc. When you train in these directions you are paving the bridges from one skill to another. These bridges sag to the point where you really feel confident in the game. Very often there is a feeling that you are stuck in place, and instead to quietly continue to play and have fun, you throw on unattainable for you difficulty trying to break it. If you dont have success - you get depressed, angry, and following attempts to become worse, but if you have passed this level then you will try more in this direction (not bad at all, but...), not noticing what you have not mastered in the other direction and just evade them. I made these conclusions after reading this thread and on my own experience. I have a funny problem - can play fast BPM DT maps (try them hard) but I can't normally FC much slower maps. Each FC takes a bunch of attempts and efforts, just because of a few errors in the same places-_-. Certainly worth something edit in my trainings:)
Thanks for an interesting topic guides on motivation, and I apologize for my bad English.
power007
88 posts
Joined June 2011
power007
3 years of osu!:

SPOILER

rage quit
Just_A_M0nk
5 posts
Joined December 2012
Just_A_M0nk
oh, so painful maps
SPOILER
it took about 4-5 months to get used to and the last diff takes all my stamina for a few days or even a week X_x
I try them when I'm completely fresh, if Im not fresh all plays doesn't make sense
AngelZatch
8 posts
Joined November 2008
AngelZatch
Couldn't agree more with everything written! It's been 6+ years I'm here. I'm slowly getting back at Osu! because I flippin' love this game :3
kymotsujason
39 posts
Joined April 2013
kymotsujason
I've been streaming on high bpm maps for a while, but my endurance was always quite low (stamina is fine). It never occurred to me that slower bpm maps could help with stability =P
Thanks for taking the time to make this topic =D
Sayune
71 posts
Joined February 2012
Sayune
Good "OSU!" Thread 9/10

You can kill me now.
JeremyTechnika
23 posts
Joined September 2012
JeremyTechnika
It's very true.
Mixae_old
5 posts
Joined November 2012
Mixae_old
Nice post I agree with it
-Akira_old
-Akira_old
I would want a Summary...
CodeS
1,142 posts
Joined September 2011
CodeS

-Akira wrote:

I would want a Summary...
http://howtoimproveatosu.tk/
ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

CodeS wrote:

-Akira wrote:

I would want a Summary...
http://howtoimproveatosu.tk/
You sir just made my day, thank you for the laughs. LOL
MMzz
Elite Mapper
3,979 posts
Joined June 2009
MMzz
About time someone made a thread like this.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS MADE 3 MONTHS AGO I JUST NOTICED IT GOMEN.
Taadashi
230 posts
Joined January 2011
Taadashi
The truth has been unveiled. :p
Acme Deizd Void
64 posts
Joined March 2013
Acme Deizd Void
Its gonna took awhile for me to finish this wall of text Xd generally what ur saying is really true though *thumb up*

and btw 10/10 for the MISCELLANEOUS + REASONS :>
Cubex
110 posts
Joined December 2010
Cubex
How to get better at circle_clicker.exe? :^(
Blueprint
654 posts
Joined January 2014
Blueprint
Question to everybody do you believe accuracy is an essential skill and it is a must, there is a difference between mashing & trying here's 1 of my worst FC in terms of accuracy http://puu.sh/8RTTC.osr I will admit to mashing at the very end. I get good accuracy when a map is easy for me (map doesn't do anything for me) I get PP.

I have trouble deciphering actual difficulty to me difficulty is either to fast (leading to spam) or to awkward to aim, I just fail to folow the logic of a map being to hard because you can't score a certain accuracy star ratings suck to
lazyrifi
1 post
Joined April 2014
lazyrifi
LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
mcdoomfrag
94 posts
Joined June 2013
mcdoomfrag

Blueprint wrote:

I have trouble deciphering actual difficulty to me difficulty is either to fast (leading to spam) or to awkward to aim, I just fail to folow the logic of a map being to hard because you can't score a certain accuracy star ratings suck to
What would be the point of a ranking system in a RHYTHM game, if it rewards people even when they get shitty accuracy? Being good at this game, isn't simply about flailing your cursor around and mashing when prompted to, it's about being able to understand the beat and structure of the song and being able to keep up with it.
Naywils
66 posts
Joined October 2013
Naywils
This is very true.
Me myself just play until something feels slow then step it up, I guess that's not for everyone though
Blueprint
654 posts
Joined January 2014
Blueprint
I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask but I guess It irritates me that I can score 97+ on a map but miss with no reward yes it is a rhythm game but it's still about hitting circles
mcdoomfrag
94 posts
Joined June 2013
mcdoomfrag

Blueprint wrote:

I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask
I spent around 15 minutes trying to decipher it, but I'm still not sure if I understood....
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Blueprint wrote:

I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask but I guess It irritates me that I can score 97+ on a map but miss with no reward yes it is a rhythm game but it's still about hitting circles
Didn't you contradict yourself here? Or am I not understanding your point?
Blueprint
654 posts
Joined January 2014
Blueprint

GoldenWolf wrote:

Blueprint wrote:

I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask but I guess It irritates me that I can score 97+ on a map but miss with no reward yes it is a rhythm game but it's still about hitting circles
Didn't you contradict yourself here? Or am I not understanding your point?
Probably I'm dumb like that
ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

lazyrifi wrote:

LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...
TrinitehFoarse
68 posts
Joined February 2014
TrinitehFoarse

ScarletStory wrote:

lazyrifi wrote:

LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...
Yes.
theLiminator
68 posts
Joined October 2011
theLiminator
lol i think i'm rhythmically retarded. I score much worse using auto pilot than I do playing kb+mouse. Also, using relaxed mod, I can breeze through songs I have no hope of passing when I tap. I just suck so much at tapping, that's probably why my accuracy sucks so much too..
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DahplA
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Joined March 2014
DahplA
I'm stuck at the point of Hard <-> Insane where Hard maps are kinda slow, and Insane just...I cannot even. People will say "practice makes perfect" but I cannot practice maps I cannot even complete. Can someone help me? I don't know where to begin and after reading these tips, it just makes me realise how far I am behind instead of actually guiding me.
SanicHegehog
SanicHegehog

theLiminator wrote:

lol i think i'm rhythmically retarded. I score much worse using auto pilot than I do playing kb+mouse. Also, using relaxed mod, I can breeze through songs I have no hope of passing when I tap. I just such so much at tapping, that's probably why my accuracy sucks so much too..
This is normal.
Blueprint
654 posts
Joined January 2014
Blueprint

DahplA wrote:

I'm stuck at the point of Hard <-> Insane where Hard maps are kinda slow, and Insane just...I cannot even. People will say "practice makes perfect" but I cannot practice maps I cannot even complete. Can someone help me? I don't know where to begin and after reading these tips, it just makes me realise how far I am behind instead of actually guiding me.
I find hard's harder than ar 8 anime insane songs I hope I helped :)
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

DahplA wrote:

I'm stuck at the point of Hard <-> Insane where Hard maps are kinda slow, and Insane just...I cannot even. People will say "practice makes perfect" but I cannot practice maps I cannot even complete. Can someone help me? I don't know where to begin and after reading these tips, it just makes me realise how far I am behind instead of actually guiding me.
There are a LOT of maps, I highly doubt all maps suit the dilemma you described...Try downloading map packs, and also try dt on easier (Hard) difficulties as they tend to make an easy insane.
D3S
D3S
Really good guide, some helpfull tips in here too :)
Finally got myself under #70k thanks to this, which is good for me imo.

Keep up the good work! :)
Insyni
281 posts
Joined July 2012
Insyni
Regarding snapping, what is the best way to get into a habit of snapping well. Right now I have a really bad habit of hitting edges of notes/ sliders making me lose combos.

I'm not quite sure how to fix the issue. Playing insanes only seems to make the issue worse, yet people say that playing insanes are the only way to learn snapping.
CPTW
38 posts
Joined October 2010
CPTW

ScarletStory wrote:

MISCELLANEOUS (non-playing related) REASONS (warning may contain demoralising content)
1.you should let skill come to you and you should not try to chase after skill relentlessly
My favourite game, the waiting game. (I still see myself on this game for years to come, I'll wait it out till I can pass crazy diffs)

But in all seriousness with the sarcasm aside, very true on all points and some points I didn't know(despite me playing for so long orz) but sadly most people don't even click on this thread since the "How do I get better?" threads still pop up.

DustyFfy wrote:

Regarding snapping, what is the best way to get into a habit of snapping well. Right now I have a really bad habit of hitting edges of notes/ sliders making me lose combos.

I'm not quite sure how to fix the issue. Playing insanes only seems to make the issue worse, yet people say that playing insanes are the only way to learn snapping.
I only started snapping around the start of this year but personally I went to hards/low ar insanes to practice so it gave me time to snap to a circle but also enough time between each circle to see where my cursor actually snapped to, thus showing me how inaccurate my aim was on top of it and then once I could snap on "slow" maps speed up and play smaller circle size.(Only personal experience though since practicing on faster insanes just made me slip into old habits and glide again within seconds)
AutoMedic
1,166 posts
Joined April 2014
AutoMedic
I feel guilty about almost everything. Slider not finishing, TABLET MASTER RACE Thoughts. And for a change, I used my abandoned osu!tablet. It wasn't worth it actually. It's hard to aim and do stuff. While on my mouse, which I have better experience with, I can do Fast Normals. I just can't stress everybody saying ,

OMG RRTYUI TABLET USAR IMA BUY TABLET 2 SO DAT I KEN BE NUMBER 1 AND FC BIG BLAK FOX

What actually happens after they bought the tablet

ERMEGHERD THIS PIECE OF S**T METAL DOESEN'T WORK WHAT A SCAM I HATE OSU HURR-HURR and similar stuff

I'll rate this thread for about 10/10. It's humorous, and best of all, It's the most important things all osu players must know
DeletedUser_4041880
DeletedUser_4041880

Sonatora wrote:

I feel guilty about almost everything. Slider not finishing, TABLET MASTER RACE Thoughts. And for a change, I used my abandoned osu!tablet. It wasn't worth it actually. It's hard to aim and do stuff. While on my mouse, which I have better experience with, I can do Fast Normals. I just can't stress everybody saying ,

OMG RRTYUI TABLET USAR IMA BUY TABLET 2 SO DAT I KEN BE NUMBER 1 AND FC BIG BLAK FOX

What actually happens after they bought the tablet

ERMEGHERD THIS PIECE OF S**T METAL DOESEN'T WORK WHAT A SCAM I HATE OSU HURR-HURR and similar stuff

I'll rate this thread for about 10/10. It's humorous, and best of all, It's the most important things all osu players must know
You have to stick with tablet for a while before you can catch up with your current skill level on the mouse- unless you barely played standard and you're still at the newbie level.
FappyBabes
FappyBabes
whoa you put in a lot of effort into making this. O_o
Grapheon
10 posts
Joined March 2013
Grapheon
Edit: rrtyui actually SSed Big Black xD
ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

Grapheon wrote:

Edit: rrtyui actually SSed Big Black xD

ScarletStory wrote:

lazyrifi wrote:

LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...
Hmm i was unaware that rrtyui started playing osu! 24 days ago... I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

ScarletStory wrote:

I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
Sounds like a good idea.
ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

GoldenWolf wrote:

ScarletStory wrote:

I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
Sounds like a good idea.
I thought so too haha. At the same time, however, I'm prepared to watch as it inevitably fails to get the point across anyway. :) *facepalm*
Andersfc
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Joined April 2014
Andersfc
This "post" was freaking hilarious and really helped me point out my own flaws, I've been "half ass snapping" to stuff like slower songs and my muscles have been tense at some harder songs aswell, I'm very new to Osu, but I feel like I've learned it pretty quickly (Mouse user, keyboard for tapping)

Thanks alot though!

edited "thread", to "post" because I have OCD about it, don't judge.
Demon
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Joined February 2014
Demon
This thread was very helpful , Thank you for making this and putting such a great effort into it! ;3 <3
B1rd
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B1rd
When I click on Scarlet's profile it says 'user not found'?
DahplA
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DahplA
I still don't get how I can effectively stop myself from freezing in streams. I've also noticed that, if there is a slider at the end of a stream, I will notice it and hold the key down and miss the last 3 hits which, just like it was mentioned in the text, causes me to speed up in compensation. This makes me miss even more and causes my accuracy to go down. I would like some advice regarding streaming, but if someone says "practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

DahplA wrote:

but if someone says "practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
It's the whole purpose of practicing, doing something you can't do efficiently at first to then being able to do it.
Andersfc
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Joined April 2014
Andersfc

DahplA wrote:

practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
You need to practice, sorry to say it, but you need to practice to keep your calm in streams, don't panic, just relax and follow the 'beat' like you normally would. Practicing on keeping your calm will eventually lead you to not have those problems.

There is NO OTHER WAY but practice.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

GoldenWolf wrote:

It's the whole purpose of practicing, doing something you can't do efficiently at first to then being able to do it.
Sure that's true, but I still think it's wrong to just dismiss any request for help with "practice, nuff said".

Most people here seem to forget that HOW you practice makes all the difference. When you want to be good at playing an instrument, bad inefficient practice won't get you anywhere, it'll just lead to you forming bad habits which will stop you from being able to play more advanced stuff in the long run. Even when that's not the case, smart practice makes the learning process a lot more efficient.

Of course in osu! this knowledge isn't that readily available, still it would be more helpful for people to actually answer in detail what worked for them, how they overcame such obstacles, etc. it might just help.

I for one can't do streams too well at or over 170 and I'm having problems with shorter bursts above 200-210 too, and I can't decide if my hand position is sub-optimal for streaming (you can't really play the piano well either if you're sitting way too low, too high, or too close/too far) or it's fine and it's not hindering my practice. Tried a lot of different ways, but I just can't tell if it's actually any better and I tend to go back to the usual one. Also not sure whether I should play slow streams that i can play without tensing up and bottoming out, faster ones where I can't keep up unless I tense up a bit and press harder, short ones or longer ones etc. "Practice" is very broad.
Layne_old_1
Layne_old_1
Alright, let's be clear about this. I'm going to obnoxiously bold every single statement I find are important.
It's gonna be a long and messy post (too lazy to tidy it up once I start writing this), but try to read it from my view.

The word practice as taken from a dictionary:



If we were to put it into osu!'s context, to perform or exercise your skills in osu! would mean to commit and dedicate yourself to this game for a long period of time every day to improve or maintain one's proficiency (meaning SKILL). Most of this game is muscle memory so you probably won't lose a lot of skill if you don't play for a long period of time.

Let's break it up for the serious players (because I don't cater to casuals):

Commit and Dedicate:

To Commit and Dedicate yourself to this game is definitely the first step to improvement.
You have to be in the right mindset to be able to improve.
Don't or try not to involve your emotions while playing this game, play this game like a robot.

What this means is to play every damn map you see regardless of how bad the song may sound, but make sure it's something you can somewhat manage, difficulty-wise. (And that I'll leave it up to you to check it out for yourself, so it's pretty much trial & error).

This way, you have the habit of playing whatever you see and not what you jam to. (honestly, it's a very good habit to have.. at least for LR2/IIDX since you're able to spam all 8s/9s/10s)

Not only that, you are also presented a plethora of patterns, rhythms, and different mapping styles.

Yeah, you're gonna have to get used to it, sadly.


Long period of time everyday:

Let's face it, everyone has a busy schedule.

To me, 1-2 hours isn't going to cut it if you're looking for a serious improvement!

I know that I can't say I'm right about scheduling to play osu!, but when I played this game, I spent 10-16 hours a day (during summer only) to improve in all aspects of this game.

So I would say perhaps spend a hell load of time every day (4+ hours) and keep it that way.

Though don't prioritize osu! over social life and your work ethics. But do prioritize it over free-time if you really really wish to get better.



Now the 'I can't practice because I suck at it' part.

Alright, so the first rule to approaching this is to 'repeat with variation.'

Variation meaning repeat songs that have a similar situation in patterning, perhaps lower in difficulty.

'How do I find those types of songs that are similar in difficulty?'
Good question, I don't know. So... that comes from experience and playing many songs as I remember many different patterning in most songs I play.
I usually pull it up from memory when it comes to patterns anyways.


I won't tell you strictly 'what you should practice' and 'what not to practice' because that is all up to you to find out for yourself. Try not to ask others on what map to play. There is no 'right way to play' or the 'right maps' to play. Play them all, play all the maps you can even no matter how bad it is. I will emphasize again over and over.

SO MAKE THIS A HABIT. A habit forms once you repeat a routine for 21 days+, so dedicate to a mental plan of practising!!
DahplA
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DahplA
So after realising how much of an idiot I sounded like when I wrote that, I have made a resolution to just play the maps I suck at. I will just complete the maps over and over and practicing even if I do get C-D ranks, bad accuracy and so forth. Just so playing these maps become almost natural.
aizhid
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aizhid

B1rd wrote:

When I click on Scarlet's profile it says 'user not found'?
banned probably.
DahplA
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DahplA
I'm going to assume what I've done for now (and continue for days to come) was proper practicing...Where you actually do things. This "practicing" thing is going to take...a very, very, long time isn't it.
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
Yes, it takes a very long time to improve, and the better you get the slower any improvement becomes.
As Layne said, if you play everything, play often, play a lot you will eventually become good.
DahplA
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Joined March 2014
DahplA
Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Edit: I guess I was such a fool to ever think this would be easy...But at least it can only get better, more challenging and more fun.
Andersfc
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Joined April 2014
Andersfc

DahplA wrote:

Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Find more maps and try the new maps on easiest->hardest by playing maps on trivial difficulties, you will improve your sense of rhytm(not saying you should play easy all the time but try it now again when you get new maps)

You shouldn't try to stay on the same maps 24/7, if you do so then you will surely remember the song after like 100 replays, but as Layne said, if you play different maps you will learn more patterns and you will have an easier time dealing with them in other beatmaps.
DahplA
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DahplA

Andersfc wrote:

DahplA wrote:

Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Find more maps and try the new maps on easiest->hardest by playing maps on trivial difficulties, you will improve your sense of rhytm(not saying you should play easy all the time but try it now again when you get new maps)

You shouldn't try to stay on the same maps 24/7, if you do so then you will surely remember the song after like 100 replays, but as Layne said, if you play different maps you will learn more patterns and you will have an easier time dealing with them in other beatmaps.
Thanks. I've been spending my time trying to find maps that are around 4.0 - 4.5 stars ranking and trying them out. I've discovered that around this level, S ranks are much harder, which is nice. It brings more of a challenge.

Just another problem I have here. When I stream, it's very random. I sometimes either do the whole stream with 1 or 2 100's but other times, I am completely off rhythm and end up getting at least 3 50's. Are there any tips I can get (other than practice, I know that much) to help me. I paying attention to the approach circles helps a lot and makes me more accurate.
Mizuno Yui
Mizuno Yui
Streams are a bitch :D I'm still struggling with them, and a couple of things that seemed to help were these:

1) playing with speakers instead of headphones - hearing the sound of keys helped me notice I was off
2) spending some time playing those stream practice maps and staring at the hit error bar
3) not being so nervous and starting the stream too early
4) repeating the map long enough I memorize the song/melody/all that fancy music stuff
DahplA
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DahplA
Figured out why I couldn't stream well. I wasn't hitting them fast enough, although this doesn't apply to slower maps.
Syhon
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Syhon
so recently I started adopting to a new playstyle - Lifting my pinky when playing fast maps/or streaming. initially I thought my speed would come more naturally with that but as it became habitual I tend to "freeze up" alot more during transitions. (as in, fast singles to streams, or fast singles to fast triples) It might be because I never have really single tapped much besides fast jumps in my past osu experience, and i don't know whether or not this is a good practice or not. I gain more control when I hold down my pinky, but I lose out on too much speed and accuracy and it was became extremely aggravating for me since I feel like I'm playing below the skill level I used to play at.
Hell
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Joined January 2014
Hell
What I've found is that as long as you're tapping with your keyboard, there are better ways to play, but most of us will never get to the level of skill that it matters. Yeah, tablet is easier than mouse, but if you don't have fun with a tablet, then why use it?

The way you get better at Osu is just by playing a lot, and the way to play the most is to have fun with it. You don't get better if you aren't having fun.

My friend tried to get me to just keep on AR 10 + maps all the time, but I wasn't having fun. I dedicated to it for about a week but I stopped playing slowly. I found out that if I stick to AR9-AR10 maps it is a lot more enjoyable for me, and that means I play more, and that means I get better faster even though I am playing 'easier' maps.
Mythras
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Mythras
how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
Vuelo Eluko
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Vuelo Eluko

VioletMaid wrote:

how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1k
2. hard rock sucks for pp

being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
Mythras
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Joined February 2010
Mythras

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

VioletMaid wrote:

how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1k
2. hard rock sucks for pp

being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
makes sense, why not train/practice other things than ar10 then if they won't be able to play any of the ranked maps for a long time?
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
Most of them are just having fun playing AR10
Some are just retarded and think AR10 is the key to be a pro, so they play that all day and then months later they realize they were all wrong, so they proceed to spend months trying to get some reading skills and they struggle a ton because they're too used to AR10

The latter is totally not me
I Give Up
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Joined January 2014
I Give Up
Although in my case it really is the equipment. My keyboard is about to give out soon, I can feel it. The Shift, Z, and Q key are giving out with the shift key being near dead. I've since moved my tapping keys around eventually making way to numpad 1 and 2. Do not buy a rapoo E1050 they will bleed your fingers and don't last long.

I haven't bought a replacement yet because I'm saving up for a mechanical one. Too bad they're so darn expensive, it'll take me a while before I get one. I'm so bad at saving up lol.
Ulqui21
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Ulqui21
To be honest, I find it easier to use a tablet compared to the mouse. Well, that's just me.
Layne_old_1
Layne_old_1
I did too.You use a pencil more than you use a mouse because of school.
Micka
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Joined June 2013
Micka
lol someone ss the big black
MusclesJohnny
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MusclesJohnny
Any maps that will give a lot of pp?
Gigo
266 posts
Joined March 2013
Gigo
Go see what the top 10 players' best performances are and play those maps. They will give you a lot of pp.

(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Gigo wrote:

(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
Please no.
TsunLemon
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Joined April 2012
TsunLemon
The snap thing is probably the only thing I didn't know from what I read here, and yet, been a crappy player for over 2 years now. :/
I wish there was an easy way to control my nerves so that I stop tensing up. *sigh*
Rise_old_1
Rise_old_1
This is quite helpful, thanks for the post :)
koki_old_1
87 posts
Joined May 2011
koki_old_1
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

lovu wrote:

to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
move to korea and go to cookiezis house
Everwhite
43 posts
Joined July 2013
Everwhite

buny wrote:

lovu wrote:

to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
move to korea and go to cookiezis house
Agreed c:
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