Maybe you could also add my Election Angel, Uh! Map to the Beginner list. :p

Yay, finally passed on to the next stage ! Advanced, here I go !
(Cleared ChaiN/DestructioN [Insane] with a S, finally)

Anyways, here are some maps you might want to add to the list :

kors k - smooooch [7K MX] for ADV 1 (the difficulty being the sudden SV changes, the patterns are easy though)
Ikareru Kin no Shishi - G59 [Level 18] should be ADV 1 IMO, being harder than Sweet Rain [Insane]. Difficulty wise I think it is equal to ChaiN/DestructioN [Insane], perhaps that's just me. The main difficulty with this map is to keep up with the pace. The patterns are simple to read, but as the music is repetitive the patterns also repeat themselves in quick succession on different columns.
senya - Utakata, ai no Mahoroba [LV.21] should be able to replace G59 [Level 18] in the NOV 10. The beat is slower than Sweet Rain's but the patterns are a tad harder. It also features some Holds + Simples which is something lacking in this category, just before the ADVANCED level of maps.
Ci Mei Gui - Wu Xuan Lan [7K FEVER] : ADV 3 ? Holds + Simples during the whole map.
bj.HaLo - Ende [IN] : ADV 2 or 3 ? The patterns are simple/easy to read until the last part IMO.
Tatsh - Xepher [Insane] : This one is subject to frequent updates, but overall it feels like an ADV 4 when considering the patterns and the SV changes together.

I might be wrong about the ADV 3 and 4 maps I suggested as I don't really have the skill to play them correctly yet but I think my guesses are not too far from the truth. Tell me what you think.

PyaKura wrote:

Yay, finally passed on to the next stage ! Advanced, here I go !
(Cleared ChaiN/DestructioN [Insane] with a S, finally)

Anyways, here are some maps you might want to add to the list :

kors k - smooooch [7K MX] for ADV 1 (the difficulty being the sudden SV changes, the patterns are easy though)
Ikareru Kin no Shishi - G59 [Level 18] should be ADV 1 IMO, being harder than Sweet Rain [Insane]. Difficulty wise I think it is equal to ChaiN/DestructioN [Insane], perhaps that's just me. The main difficulty with this map is to keep up with the pace. The patterns are simple to read, but as the music is repetitive the patterns also repeat themselves in quick succession on different columns.
senya - Utakata, ai no Mahoroba [LV.21] should be able to replace G59 [Level 18] in the NOV 10. The beat is slower than Sweet Rain's but the patterns are a tad harder. It also features some Holds + Simples which is something lacking in this category, just before the ADVANCED level of maps.
Ci Mei Gui - Wu Xuan Lan [7K FEVER] : ADV 3 ? Holds + Simples during the whole map.
bj.HaLo - Ende [IN] : ADV 2 or 3 ? The patterns are simple/easy to read until the last part IMO.
Tatsh - Xepher [Insane] : This one is subject to frequent updates, but overall it feels like an ADV 4 when considering the patterns and the SV changes together.

I might be wrong about the ADV 3 and 4 maps I suggested as I don't really have the skill to play them correctly yet but I think my guesses are not too far from the truth. Tell me what you think.

Congrats!

Thank you for the suggestion! I added some songs you mentioned without questioning them since I still remember how it was mapped (But I still have to check them soon.) About moving G59 to Adv 1, I guess I can agree with you. I drafted it in Nov 10 since I did not take into consideration the speed of the map. You can think of it as me saying you have to have that kind of speed already when you are at advanced as a prerequisite, but then again not everyone likes to play fast song. (Some likes high-density ones but slow, some fast but few, some etcetc...) Anyway, I moved it. Let's see how it goes.

I still am not sure about the last 3 songs you mentioned since I haven't checked them, but I added them for now.

About smooooch, The patterns in this map are indeed somehow easy, though I guess we can put them in Adv for that. I'm still thinking whether SV-changes reading skill should be taken into consideration or not.

(Sorry for my half-assed response, but again, thank you. I've been quite busy, and bored of osu lately x_x)

Crimat wrote:

First thing i want to say, thx for the post it gave me a good way to introduce myself to 7K.

Now, for a bit of feedback.
I just started playing 7k after a good amound of time playing 4K, so maybe my 4K affect what map i can or cannot play but, in the beginner section:

- In beginner 3, Flower Flag is too hard (should go in beginner 5 i think)
- In beginner 5, If it takes a lifetime is way too hard, i managed S on the other one but i can barely do B there, should go up maybe to 7
- In beginner 6, Uni is too easy, i would put it in beginner 3

and just to show my point, i'll add some screenshot of my collection so you can compare the rank and % and see how much try i put in some of the song:

Beginner 3: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1025734 and yes it look like i have an A on big money but it's just because it's a higher pointscore than the 2 S i did there
Beginner 5: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1025736 i did try the map multiple time but i always end up quitting before getting my magnificent B registered
Beginner 6: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1025737 The B was done while riding a city bus, i did both A before it

so that's pretty much it, some of the note did change since i took the screenshot but when i did these rank i was pretty much at the same skilllevel.
I'll continue to play and give feedback as i progress, hope it helped.

P.S.: sorry for my english, i'm french at base so i might have done multiple mistake there.

Hello~ Thank you for trying out this list. Some of your suggestions does seem valid, so I might review those songs soon when I have the time.

Roxas wrote:

Ento can u add my diffs on croix too? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/88692

\o/ Hopefully I can add all the ranked maps by next week since I have nothing to do. So, yes, I can add that xD

Hanyuu wrote:

KOTOKO - unfinished (TV Size) [7K Burst] ? ADV 4?
Tamura Yukari - Fantastic future (TV Size) [Liese lv.24] ADV 3 ?
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/87194 [EXHAUST] ADV 6~7?
Tatsh - Xepher [SHD] EX 3? lol
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/236643 [7K Expert] ADV 4?

I'm still not going to put some Expert songs yet until the adv is somehow "finish", but thank you for these. I'll take note of those song you mentioned. I have added those ADV for now, but I still need to review them. Thank you for the suggestions!

Wishy wrote:

I just started playing and I'm doing the Novice level (3~4). I have to say:

----NOVICE 3----

Catastrophe [Normal] - Entozer //U
agony (TV Size) [Normal] - woc2006
Shinseitaiju [LV.9] - ExPew //U
Rhythmical Planet [Normal] - ljqandylee

agony was by far the easiest map on this level, Catastrophe was way harder. Then again Rhythmical Planet and Shinseitaiju were on a complete different level for me, being maps I could either fail or clear with a maximum rank of B, while agony was an easy A, and Catastrophe was a few retries A.

Hmm, I have to go recheck those maps I guess. Though I agree with Agony being easy (as from what I remember, it is quite a slow song, but with LN,) but I still need to review them. I might have put it wrongly at Novice 3 since at a higher level, lower bpms tend to be harder to press x_x. But thank you for the feedback.

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions everyone! Hopefully I can review them soon when I have the time.

Hello,

About smooooch, I based my suggestions following what you stated in the OP :

Entozer wrote:

Advanced:
This difficulty is for players who have proper exposure to common simple/complex patterns. Players at this level can easily play simple patterns such as the stairs.

In this difficulty, songs starts to have a pattern unique to the song itself, and those patterns cannot be applied to other songs most of the time. Players at this level starts to learn about specialized patterns. At this level, the type of players starts to branch out. Some players will start to play songs that are mostly Hold-oriented, some play songs that have a lot of speed changes, and some likes to play song with high density.

which is why I thought that you would also take SV changes into account.

Anyway thanks for updating the list ! I have some new maps to play now.

PyaKura wrote:

Hello,

About smooooch, I based my suggestions following what you stated in the OP :

Entozer wrote:

Advanced:
This difficulty is for players who have proper exposure to common simple/complex patterns. Players at this level can easily play simple patterns such as the stairs.

In this difficulty, songs starts to have a pattern unique to the song itself, and those patterns cannot be applied to other songs most of the time. Players at this level starts to learn about specialized patterns. At this level, the type of players starts to branch out. Some players will start to play songs that are mostly Hold-oriented, some play songs that have a lot of speed changes, and some likes to play song with high density.

which is why I thought that you would also take SV changes into account.

Anyway thanks for updating the list ! I have some new maps to play now.

The beat relation to SV changes are almost very easy to read in MX and its a simple 3 note chords. I do agree smoooooch[mx] has the potential to be adv1 but I don't think it properly breaks the adv barrier yet. You have to also consider the beat + note complementation.

Entozer wrote:

----ADVANCED 3----

Fantastic Future (TV Size) [7K Liese's LV.24] - Lieselotte GD (?) (victorica_db)

----ADVANCED 4----

unfinished (TV Size) [7k Burst] - ljqandylee //U

I personally think that these two should be swapped or have unfinished moved to adv2. I have a significantly easier time with Unfinished 7k Burst than I do with Liese's LV.24 Fantastic Future. (Also, isn't ljqandylee's unfinished ranked? Unless that link is wrong.) Take this with a grain of salt though, as it might just be me being bad at those certain patterns/holds.

EDIT:
I'll report back once I've tried some of the recent advanced additions.

Zealtron wrote:

Entozer wrote:

----ADVANCED 3----

Fantastic Future (TV Size) [7K Liese's LV.24] - Lieselotte GD (?) (victorica_db)

----ADVANCED 4----

unfinished (TV Size) [7k Burst] - ljqandylee //U

I personally think that these two should be swapped or have unfinished moved to adv2. I have a significantly easier time with Unfinished 7k Burst than I do with Liese's LV.24 Fantastic Future. (Also, isn't ljqandylee's unfinished ranked? Unless that link is wrong.) Take this with a grain of salt though, as it might just be me being bad at those certain patterns/holds.

EDIT:
I'll report back once I've tried some of the recent advanced additions.

That's interesting, I'm the opposite. I find unfinished much harder than Fantastic Future, haha. Sometimes I fail unfinished but I can get through Fantastic Future with no problems.

Just wanted to say this is the first time I am posting here, thanks a lot to all the contributors of this thread =D

Anopob wrote:

That's interesting, I'm the opposite. I find unfinished much harder than Fantastic Future, haha. Sometimes I fail unfinished but I can get through Fantastic Future with no problems.

Just wanted to say this is the first time I am posting here, thanks a lot to all the contributors of this thread =D

Oh, is that so? Guess I'm just bad at holds, haha.

Anyway,

----ADVANCED 4----

Workaholic [Extra] - Agka //U
unfinished (TV Size) [7k Burst] - ljqandylee //U

But I still feel that unfinished needs to move down to adv3. I haven't played God Knows, but I can easily A unfinished while I have a hard time passing Workaholic [Extra] (Heck, I have an easier time passing Game Brain[Lunatic] than this). Probably because of the sustained patterns instead of the more burst-like patterns of unfinished.

I'll throw a map here too.
Yakimochi no Kotae [R u m i's 7k Insane] adv2/3? The patterns aren't too difficult aside from a couple bursts and runningmen. Filled with holds and trills.

This is the greatest thing ever. I felt like I could never find songs that were at the level of play I needed to progress. Thanks a lot

Map Suggestions: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/44967
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/49459
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/20406
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/75936 (4k)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/113909 (4k-6k)

Really loving the list, but I honestly think 7k Wintersun should be move from Advanced 6 to Advanced 8 or 9. The holds really test your finger independence, and speaking from my personal experience, I can finish G59 level 36 90% of the time and Nou Shou Sakuretsu Girl (Hard) 80% of the time, whereas for Wintersun... I'm nowhere near finishing that. Also, Wintersun really punishes you for missing (HP is 9) which is why I think it should be moved higher.

The songs are really great though Really loving the list. I hope the Expert list will be up soon!

I am starting the school of Entozer today! I am ready to learn Professor E!!

Hi. Suggesting own map-
t/170282
Probably Adv. 10.

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1235156
I finally finished the last adv.10 song in the list. Lets hope expert comes out soon!

gratz But do you even wintersun? :p

shinning collection > wintersun

I guess that depends on how good you are with holds.

Shining Collection is fairly difficult the whole way through, where Wintersun's difficulty tends to come in bursts (some sections are relatively easy, whereas others are just plain evil).

Both of them are pretty damn hard but I would say execution wise Shining Collection is definitely harder. Wintersun only kills me because I can't read the slowdown , but Shining Collection kills me because of the speed/density (but I'm getting closer and closer to passing).

Xcrypt wrote:

gratz But do you even wintersun? :p

Haha thanks, and yes can pass 7k winter with 750k score, i just survive the crazy ln part, still can't hit the release of the ln's yet :p

you're sorted by difficulty is mostly focused on 'o2jam style' maps.

i saw many players such as can fc Gigantic O.T.N Entozer's Another before last LN pattern but die, has epic hand speed but can't LN players.

LN is pretty fun but isn't fun to all players.

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

you're sorted by difficulty is mostly focused on 'o2jam style' maps.

i saw many players such as can fc Gigantic O.T.N Entozer's Another before last LN pattern but die, has epic hand speed but can't LN players.

LN is pretty fun but isn't fun to all players.

I love LN so much <3

Sadly I don't like them LN because I can't play them at all.

I'm updating my own list on my profile on a duo-weekly basis. This is only for ranked maps. Maybe some people can find it useful.
To keep it simple the list only has [Easy][Normal][Hard][Insane][Extra] sorting by my own leveling standards. Note that the level of the maps in [Easy] are around the level of this 7K MX (and [Extra] is pretty much just imperishable night 2006 unless something crazy gets ranked in the future)

Watch out we've got an Entozer fan over there

Aqo wrote:

I'm updating my own list on my profile on a duo-weekly basis. This is only for ranked maps. Maybe some people can find it useful.
To keep it simple the list only has [Easy][Normal][Hard][Insane][Extra] sorting by my own leveling standards. Note that the level of the maps in [Easy] are around the level of this 7K MX (and [Extra] is pretty much just imperishable night 2006 unless something crazy gets ranked in the future)

I think your scale is for more advanced players if an MX is for easy level, haha.

For players who played more than a month or two I guess?

You can rest assured than the [Easy] ones are much easier than BMS level 0. :v

Aqo wrote:

For players who played more than a month or two I guess?

You can rest assured than the [Easy] ones are much easier than BMS level 0. :v

Haha, only BMS song I've been able to pass, with a B, is Gelnika's Wall, lol.

Dunno how hard BMS lvl 0 is though, lol. But I do know how hard that MX song is (Which is easy for a MX)

andromeda2020 wrote:

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

you're sorted by difficulty is mostly focused on 'o2jam style' maps.

i saw many players such as can fc Gigantic O.T.N Entozer's Another before last LN pattern but die, has epic hand speed but can't LN players.

LN is pretty fun but isn't fun to all players.

I love LN so much <3

well, i like LN too. but my point is for all players.

do you think all rhythm game players were passed o2jam at least once? i never think. and these o!m ranked map LN style is favorable to o2jam free server / o2solo players.

I don't know if all rhythm game players encountered O2jam but I do know that some mania players played O2jam before.
edit: maybe yes not all of them encountered it lol

andromeda2020 wrote:

I don't know if all rhythm game players encountered O2jam but I do know that some mania players played O2jam before.
edit: maybe yes not all of them encountered it lol

I can say only that LN has huge gap about skill level with other players. If havent experience about playing o2jam.

I still think Lv.30 around map can pass players are still ET. They are has talent.

But most of all players can't pass it. Just nowaday's o2jam players are survive players. At result, They are almost pro.

So many people can think Lv.30 is not hard, but this is really no idea somehow for me.

What you're saying can work the other way around, I find level 50-60 full LN maps much easier than ~lv10 insane dan from the bms scale. It depends on what you spent your time training. Taking that into account, I find the list does a good job finding a middle ground between the two fields.

Drace wrote:

What you're saying can work the other way around, I find level 50-60 full LN maps much easier than ~lv10 insane dan from the bms scale. It depends on what you spent your time training. Taking that into account, I find the list does a good job finding a middle ground between the two fields.

I know. just i want to say not all players are accept LN style. Its my experience from rhythm game playing.

In my opnion is this list is still okay for me oO and i didnt say such as 'revise this list'

Slowly working my way up(down?) the list. I'd like to note that for me Workaholic [Insane] feels much harder than any of the Advanced 3 songs.

Thank you very much for doing this, I really appreciate it.

Working through Sweet Rain right now, it's a lot of fun!

Can you make Osu!mania maps, for LN only ? the List I mean ~

If it's not too much to ask for, could you put all of the maps in a respective Zip folder map pack?

Going through and downloading them all would be a pain now. ;n;

This helps alot for a new player like me. im not new to the genre but moving from arcade cabs to mouse and keyboard has been difficult. ill try them out to see if it helps.

Sorry to bump this. Just wondering if this is still a WIP or if it has been abandoned.

I still have plans to do this, but I still have no motivation to continue... (So I guess this is still WIP? @_@)

Some of it is putting an "Achievement" List (like the verification program threads in 5k and 4k), and even listing the high score for each unranked song. I'm also thinking if I should make a "Long Note Only" list just like what ArcherLove suggested.

After I finish some of my maps to be put in the higher tier, I would probably continue this.

Sorry for the long delay and whatsoever. orz. (And sorry for the expectations ??) OTL

Entozer wrote:

I still have plans to do this, but I still have no motivation to continue... (So I guess this is still WIP? @_@)

Some of it is putting an "Achievement" List (like the verification program threads in 5k and 4k), and even listing the high score for each unranked song. I'm also thinking if I should make a "Long Note Only" list just like what ArcherLove suggested.

After I finish some of my maps to be put in the higher tier, I would probably continue this.

Sorry for the long delay and whatsoever. orz. (And sorry for the expectations ??) OTL

Ah, nono. No problem mate. Didn't mean to pressure you or something (sry if I did ;_;). Was just wondering since it's been silent for a while.

Update: I'm now planning to add all uploaded (worthy of being played and complete) maps here on a weekly basis. I have added some maps on the list. It's quite few right now, but it will accumulate (hopefully) and soon all maps (again, hopefully) would be here. I might stop once I reach a lot of songs. How many songs, I have no idea.

I did not try to be more accurate this time. I'm only planning to somehow complete the list so people would know what song to play next. Feedbacks will be more appreciated than before ^^

For the LN maps, I would make a separate thread for it if I ever do make one.

Just a quick catch : Milky Way [SC] by ExPew definitely not ADV10. ADV6/7 would make more sense.

Edit : not sure about Ascension to Heaven [7K LV.36] by Liese either. I'd put it ADV 9 or 10. I'll play it again later today to see how it turns out compared to G59 and other similar difficulty maps.


Aaaaaaand glad to see this thread being active again, good job \:D/

Edit 2 : 666th post yo

I changed Milky way to ADV7 for now (I still haven't rechecked though). I have no idea what it was doing on ADV10 @@.

Just rechecked Ascension to Heaven LV 36 and the ADV9. I might have to move around some of the ADV 9 to actually fit it somewhere. I was pretty sure I got it right x_x

Hopefully there's no more error @@. And thanks! Will edit later.

I appreciate this list it's a nice thing to have. I finally started playing 7K instead of 4K+ACs two months ago, and now I'm able to play things in the advance 1 category.

Yuki Toboe wrote:

I appreciate this list it's a nice thing to have. I finally started playing 7K instead of 4K+ACs two months ago, and now I'm able to play things in the advance 1 category.

sounds totally like me a while back

@Entozer : Ascension to Heaven LV.36 in ADV9. Not hard enough to be in ADV10 IMO (or it's just me being good in density/streams maps and bad in the many LN maps in ADV10)

In expert 4, I think you might've missadded pew's hd instead of pew's shd on shuffle heaven.

@Pyakura
I'll try to fix it ASAP, this week I can't add (or change) any maps in the list, because I'll be going somewhere.

@Taadashi
Yes, I did xD Now fixed~

Hai Ento

Just want to say that Shining Collection on Erox's diff has been changed to Erox's SHD and ExPew's diff changed to Pew's SC. Please fix it. ^-^

hello masters. I'm gonna ask some advice. I've yet again reached a deadlock.

my problem is that I can "theoretically" perfect 1-2 simultaneous notes even at 1/8 note. but I go down the drain instantly (and frequently dead) when it's 3 simultaneous 1/8 notes.

There are no simultaneous 1/8 in this map... or are there ? Don't think so. Either way it got to be a finger independance issue, you'll get it right eventually. There is a world of difference berween HyPew and WA diffs.

yeah it's gotta be finger independence.

since I notice that when I'm playing, I raise my wrist very very often when playing. even at those 1/8 parts. If I don't, my fingers/wrist will meet resistance. I mean, if you're familiar with "every action has equal and opposite reaction".

Playing alot with random helps alot for that and not playing the charts that the same thing from the beginning to the end. Most songs in osu are pretty straight forward from the beginning to the end which is good for consistence but if your playing ability on more difficult patterns should get better you only need to random everything or play songs with more out of the usual rhythms

Nice job

It seems that few of the maps have been removed. At least Game Brain, Shinseitaiju and Ascension to Heaven.

would you recommend playing one song over and over again (like, 30+ times) or play different maps?

still stuck at 2k rank T_T

jLspah wrote:

It seems that few of the maps have been removed. At least Game Brain, Shinseitaiju and Ascension to Heaven.

The OP hasn't been edited since 9 days ago.

@Kidlat : I'd say play as many different maps as possible or play the same map with RD.

kidlat020 wrote:

would you recommend playing one song over and over again (like, 30+ times)

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It would be a waste of time because you tryhard at one thing and don't improve anywhere else.

So play lotsa stuff, get out of your comfort zone when you feel like it, and stop looking at your rank

PyaKura wrote:

or play the same map with RD.

I disagree with this, because you're still confronted at the same patterns in terms of density, jackhammers are still jackhammer, and stairs just streams etc...
Though RD is good for being confronted to very ugly patterns in lower difficulty levels.

I don't know, it seems to be decent, except either my skill level is scattered or this chart is inaccurate in some areas. I could easily beat Trigger*Happy (Expert rating 2) while I can't seem to beat Sweet Rain (Novice 10). Maybe it's because my fingers are numb while I'm writing this but I've tried it quite a few times whereas I beat Trigger*Happy on my first try.

aquarivania wrote:

I don't know, it seems to be decent, except either my skill level is scattered or this chart is inaccurate in some areas. I could easily beat Trigger*Happy (Expert rating 2) while I can't seem to beat Sweet Rain (Novice 10). Maybe it's because my fingers are numb while I'm writing this but I've tried it quite a few times whereas I beat Trigger*Happy on my first try.

Lolwat

aquarivania wrote:

I don't know, it seems to be decent, except either my skill level is scattered or this chart is inaccurate in some areas. I could easily beat Trigger*Happy (Expert rating 2) while I can't seem to beat Sweet Rain (Novice 10). Maybe it's because my fingers are numb while I'm writing this but I've tried it quite a few times whereas I beat Trigger*Happy on my first try.

Are... Are you sure that you played... you know... the correct diff of Trigger Happy?
Because that sounds ridiculously unlikely haha

aquarivania wrote:

I don't know, it seems to be decent, except either my skill level is scattered or this chart is inaccurate in some areas. I could easily beat Trigger*Happy (Expert rating 2) while I can't seem to beat Sweet Rain (Novice 10). Maybe it's because my fingers are numb while I'm writing this but I've tried it quite a few times whereas I beat Trigger*Happy on my first try.

Upload replay, or at least screenshot your results screen.

kidlat020 wrote:

would you recommend playing one song over and over again (like, 30+ times) or play different maps?

still stuck at 2k rank T_T

No, I would not recommend doing that. If ever, I would only recommend it when you're in the beginner phase. You should try to play a wide variety of maps (possibly with random too) in order to further increase your skill. Basically, do what Pyakura said.

Do note that playing a lot with random would indeed increase your skill on randomized pattern, but you won't be able to play "clean".

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aquarivania wrote:

I don't know, it seems to be decent, except either my skill level is scattered or this chart is inaccurate in some areas. I could easily beat Trigger*Happy (Expert rating 2) while I can't seem to beat Sweet Rain (Novice 10). Maybe it's because my fingers are numb while I'm writing this but I've tried it quite a few times whereas I beat Trigger*Happy on my first try.

Like what Luna said.

Not possible. You could have been playing the wrong diff of Trigger Happy since there are 4 versions of it. Diff from Beginner to Novice is as accurate as it could be. The same could be said for Advance. Expert's diff division is still not well defined to me, so there might be some misplaced songs among other Expert songs.

If ever this chart would be inaccurate in some areas, that would mean that your specific level on a skill is higher than the others. I know someone (almost everybody) who can play high-level long note charts and good in non-LN maps, but suck in jackhammers.

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PyaKura wrote:

The OP hasn't been edited since 9 days ago.

;_; My motivation sometimes go rock-bottom. Most of the time I have no chance motivation to work on this. orz

But if you have any questions to me about mania (including mapping), you can ask them in this thread and I will answer them.

Hi people I'm still kind of noobish here in the mania world (almost 5 months playing it [and playing rhythm game in general]) I'm guessing I'm somewhere around novice 10 and advance 1 (can B almost all of them and A a couple [in advance 1]). My question is if I should start training with RD mod and or try to look for maps with specific patterns to improve because lately I'm feeling like I'm hitting wall after wall and no good luck in trying to improve in holds and in dense maps (BMS lv.00). Other stuff is that I'm getting pissed by stairs because after my change in play-style in 7k (from left pinky to space) one month ago I can't do stairs well anymore I most of the time I miss some (a lot) notes and the accuracy most of the time is pretty bad. Most of the maps that I play have a couple of them and my accuracy (which is unstable ) gets worse that it should be. What should I do? stick playing normally until it gets fixed or train specifically for it. Thanks beforehand and sorry for my bad english

Hey, I have an ugly spreadsheet with all ranked maps and the difficulties here :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing

I that might help you, I'll gladly share it

also sorry for not having modded the map you asked me to mod, Entozer..., could not find the motivation

Apologies if anyone has already posted this.

I'm a fairly new Osu! Mania player. I've only been playing for about a little less than half a year.

Right now, According to this scale, I am roughly around Novice 7-8.

I would like to give some feedback on level Novice 7-10.

1. First off, I would like to say that the skill gap level between Novice 7 songs
and on each level requires that you somehow find another/quicker/faster/efficient way of reading in order to advance. Also some songs in each level are significantly easier or harder than the others.

I would also like to note that these are totally biased towards how I see them. But I do believe there is some objectivity in what I'm about to say.
2. In Novice 8, Flip Flap [Hard] would be an easy Novice 8. I find it just as easy as Sweet Rain or Smooch. However, I do think Far East Nightbird is much more difficult, and significantly a higher level play than any of these songs.

3. Mermaid Girl I can pass with a B, which is what I get on Flip Flap, Sweet Rain, or smooch. I do see the change in difficulty, as it does have scroll speed changes as well as forces the player to read both sides, instead of the consistent left hand and right hand doing some melody or smth.
However, in Novice 9, Shinseitaju is extremely hard for me. The first 30 seconds is obviously very easy, but afterwards, I have no idea what I'm reading, or in other words, I just can't read that fast.

4. Novice 10 I just can't play any of them through (which is expected), So i have no comment on that

tl'dr
- Flip Flap [hard] suggested for Novice 7
- Mermaid Girl lv 16 suggested for Novice 8

Other suggestions
- Conflict [NM] placed as Novice 8 or 9. (definitely harder than something like Workaholic.)

How can I get better at LNs? Because quite frankly I suck at them.

I'm somewhere in the range of ADV 3~~, but I can pass Gigantic otn [entozers] till the last part with the Lns.

So like, G59 [18] and Sweet rain [Ins] are super easy for me, but Fantastic Future feels really hard to pass.

I can do music revolver [easy] patterns with some of the holds, but in general the holds make me die, ESPECIALLY holds on key 3 when I have to also use keys 1 and two, I feel my left hand fingers just lock up when I press down certain keys.

I just dunno how to get a feel for holds I suppose. Also I keep my read speed super low, like usually 6 for high bpm maps, and 8 for slower, is this a problem?

Hahaha Thx

Finished Expert 8's Nou Shou + Heart of Witch, but I still can't do xepher or music revolver which are expert 6 and 7 :c

Thing O Doom wrote:

How can I get better at LNs? Because quite frankly I suck at them.

Think I'm about your level, maybe a bit better at LNs, so here's what I think:
I find LNs to be the hardest skill for me too, because there's simply more on the screen and you have to be thinking about when to take your fingers off as well.
Play some LN-y maps: ones which use LNs simply, in beat with chords. REDALiCE - Acceleration comes to mind.

Thing O Doom wrote:

I just dunno how to get a feel for holds I suppose. Also I keep my read speed super low, like usually 6 for high bpm maps, and 8 for slower, is this a problem?

That seems incredibly slow! I play around 13 on my 21" 1920x1080 monitor, arms breadth away if any of that changes things. Slow read speed for LNs is killer, because it's harder to see where to let go. For reference, I play Acceleration at 14 (little faster than I normally play, but I do well).


tl;dr play more of what you suck at. LNs come with experience, in my (short) experience.

Scrolling speeds are weird as heck. I've seen some players who play at a fairly low speed (I'm looking at you Charles445) that does pretty well.

I think it's really whatever the player's comfortable with. I like mine somewhat fast (12x at 200bpm, 14x at 180bpm, etc)

@Remi94
You could try going for RD sometimes if you want. As for hitting walls, remember that rest is also part of training. You could try to take a break (3-5 days maybe?) You'll be surprised how different playing would feel after the break.

Stairs would be very hard if you always play in random (since if technically the chart is full of stairs, then random would, well, randomize it). I'm not sure how I trained on stairs, but I remember playing relatively easy songs that are mainly stair-oriented without RD.

A lot of info could be found in Drace's thread. You could refer to it. There are quite a number of questions answered there.

@Akihiko
That's alright, and thanks ^^

(That is pretty neat!)

@firefwing
I'll try to check them out when I have the motivation... thanks for the feedback!

Thing O Doom wrote:

How can I get better at LNs? Because quite frankly I suck at them.

I just dunno how to get a feel for holds I suppose. Also I keep my read speed super low, like usually 6 for high bpm maps, and 8 for slower, is this a problem?

I would go with what Muffin Man said. Play some LN-y maps that are simple. It doesn't matter how dense it is (stairs, double stairs, triple), as long as it is relatively simple to play and understand, go for it.

If you want info for Full LN maps (throughout the song you hold LNs), then you'd have to start from 0 again because it's a different world.

@Scrolling speed
For this one... it shouldn't matter at all on what speed you play. If you are used to speed 6, then 6 is normal to you and 8 is fast. If you are used to speed 10, then 10 is normal to you and 12 is fast. It's all relative anyway.

The only time you would have to worry about scroll speed is when playing retarded maps (In my experience, found mostly in the o2-world). But even then, most of the time you'd only have to worry about your relative slow-scroll reading. With that said, I'm pretty good in slow and normal scroll speed because of those retarded maps.

@Entozer:
Nice list at all. Love it

@Nekro:
You can try to find the most comfortable speed for yourself by add or subtract the speed.
And also, you can create your own minimum and maximum speed.

For example, my current speed when playing a map are x13 for 200 BPM and x15 for 180 BPM. Then, I make my speed range between 2.6K - 2.7K.
But when play Lily - Scarlet Rose (320 BPM), I play with 2 option (with x8 and x9). Realize that x9 is too fast and can't to be played, I change the speed to x8 and also change the speed range into 2.5K - 2.7K.
How about the 100 BPM? You can pick one of the 2 speed option; either x25 or x26 as long as the speed is in your speed range and you can play comfortably.

Once you get your own speed range, you can apply it into entire Beatmaps you want to play.
So you can't get dizzy easily and enjoy the game

ShinHikari wrote:

@Nekro:
You can try to find the most comfortable speed for yourself by add or subtract the speed.
And also, you can create your own minimum and maximum speed.

For example, my current speed when playing a map are x13 for 200 BPM and x15 for 180 BPM. Then, I make my speed range between 2.6K - 2.7K.
But when play Lily - Scarlet Rose (320 BPM), I play with 2 option (with x8 and x9). Realize that x9 is too fast and can't to be played, I change the speed to x8 and also change the speed range into 2.5K - 2.7K.
How about the 100 BPM? You can pick one of the 2 speed option; either x25 or x26 as long as the speed is in your speed range and you can play comfortably.

Once you get your own speed range, you can apply it into entire Beatmaps you want to play.
So you can't get dizzy easily and enjoy the game

Yeah, I got that figured out

This thread is really helping me out on improving my skills and some of the songs are really helping me with my problems on LNs. This is just what I needed, just a few days ago I've been beating my personal records after practicing with the suggested maps. Thanks a lot for posting this!
(it looks like Gamebrain is missing, everytime I click the link it says that the beatmap was not found)

Thanks for this thread. :3

Awesome thread, except one thing... In Beginner 3, on Chain Destruction, I get about 94%, and on the one right below, Flowe Flag, I get 74%. Is it just me, or Flower flag is just way harder? It's weird to me, since they're in the same difficulty :v

Appreciating this thread entozerrr. Keep up the work

ento stap bein lezy ass

Envisionise wrote:

Finished Expert 8's Nou Shou + Heart of Witch, but I still can't do xepher or music revolver which are expert 6 and 7 :c

Finished as in survived or good rank?

Taadashi wrote:

Envisionise wrote:

Finished Expert 8's Nou Shou + Heart of Witch, but I still can't do xepher or music revolver which are expert 6 and 7 :c

Finished as in survived or good rank?

Survived haha, I'm not sure how you would get rank on those though

By the way, most unranked songs that are now deleted should be available from http://bloodcat.com/osu/ .

since the start i have always been scared of trying 7k, just stuck with 4k since it has been fun now with this new keyboard i am expanding out, my 5k is alright 4k is quite good still can always improve, thanks to this guide i am actually enjoying 7k and am not scared of it anymore, 8k and 6k though im playing them and after 50 replays of some maps since there isnt much map variety not getting anywhere, i am going to try lr2 with some suggested songs and hope that helps, any more advice on finding a good way to learn these keys would help

p.s. im glad this is introducing me to nonautoconverts right away and starting to teach different patterns right from the start with enough ease that i can move into it and slowly get better c:

oath sign lv .3 cant be found will post more as i find
chain de/struction is being treated as a bad link idk if thats just me though
shinseitaiju lv .5 missing link

beginner 4 is easier then some beginner 3 songs i find personally

All these deleted maps I checked the Korean website but I couldn't find them there. Is there any way at all to find Game Brain and shinseitaiju?

katphish wrote:

All these deleted maps I checked the Korean website but I couldn't find them there. Is there any way at all to find Game Brain and shinseitaiju?

Shiraishi - Shinseitaiju

I'd post Game Brain as well but I cba starting the game to export the mapset lol.

PyaKura wrote:

katphish wrote:

All these deleted maps I checked the Korean website but I couldn't find them there. Is there any way at all to find Game Brain and shinseitaiju?

Shiraishi - Shinseitaiju

I'd post Game Brain as well but I cba starting the game to export the mapset lol.

Thank you so much bro.

awesome thread learning 7k

We'll update this soon again (^^)b

wow JX I thought you were ded lol

Good to see this being revived again.

inb4 ETozer loses motivation... again.

5 level to advanced

i think my practise level is novice 10- advanced 1 now, hasn't taken too long, now the issue is finding time in between school and other games to practise ;-;

When should I move on to the next song in the progression? I play each until I get an S ranking -- should I be going for an SS every time before moving on instead? I have been playing for a couple of hours and I'm on Beginner Level 3.

Thank you!

SS is unrealistic. Go for either A or S if you want to play patterns until you're comfortable with them, or high B if you just want to try to learn as many new patterns as possible.

Alright, I will continue to go for S rankings (or A if I'm just spending forever on one song). Thank you!

Honestly, play whatever you have the most fun playing.

I spend most of my time playing stuff that I can't even pass (or can pass with a C or low B) because I find them a lot more fun than stuff I can A or S.

Since he's a beginner I think he should aim for As and Ss for now to train accuracy. In higher level play accuracy is already kinda acquired so it's not much of a problem when playing hard stuff but it's not something a beginner wants.

edit : my, it's already my 999th post.

PyaKura wrote:

Since he's a beginner I think he should aim for As and Ss for now to train accuracy. In higher level play accuracy is already kinda acquired so it's not much of a problem when playing hard stuff but it's not something a beginner wants.

edit : my, it's already my 999th post.

As far as I've been able to tell, accuracy will improve over time just by playing, whereas the ability to play harder patterns only comes from pushing your limits. If you focus on accuracy over difficulty at low skill levels, it will take much longer to build up your skill at harder patterns.

Ultimately, nobody can force anyone to play in a specific way, but I believe that new players should actually stop focusing on accuracy until they've at least made it to the hard/insane difficulty range.

Hey guys! Just crossed the 1k rank barrier and decided that if I wanted to keep progressing, I'd have to look deeper. I really like this thread and see myself around advanced level 4 or so.

Keep up the great work Entozer! and please continue to expand your list, each 'rank' only having one or two beatmaps at the advanced/expert level is kinda suffering.

Anyways, after thinking about the difficult songs out there and seeing the ever-relevant #rankhardermaps2014, I have to ask.

Why haven't harder maps been ranked?

I know +Danshi is on it's way towards being approved, but seriously, especially with the converts, I don't see why we can't have more of the challenging songs out there. I would love to the osu!mania community expand with more experts being drawn in by the ranked competition that they could use to improve themselves, etc.

But seriously, why? Is it the people ranking maps getting flooded with too many (easier) beatmaps to have time to deal with the harder ones?

Please enlighten me.

In order for a map to get ranked, it needs 3 things pretty much. To be "good" from a quality, playability and musicality perspective. To be "recognized" by the community, aka gain popularity. And constant activity from the mapper's part, integrating mods, showing it off and bothering the BATs (lol).

Most hard maps are either not good, or not popular. And the one that are both are often mapped my mappers who really don't care about ranking their map. Not really the the mappers' fault.

Not a problem per-say imo, it is the community's choice after all. Things might evolve in the future, seems things are already moving forward a little.

I see.

Seeing as how osu!mania is now two years old, along with all the dilligence that's been put into forming a difficulty scale (I love the new star system), I think that some people might be encouraged to increase there skill. I've seen so many people either play all the hardest 4k songs (Banging Burst Level 15/16, Imperishable Night 2006 4k insane, Kamui insane, Intersect Thunderbolt Remix, Don't Cut, Elemental Creation, etc.) and cap their performance points at about 3,300 or so PP. I've also seen people like 'Latitude Chaser' create an account, get a 99.71% on Imperishable Night 2006 Lunatic difficulty, and then delete his account an hour or two later. I know that the osu!mania community has absorbed a lot of the o2jam players, and after downloading a thousand or so BMS/stepmania/o2jam songs, I'm wondering why Sister's Noise, G59, and Zakura are the highest o2jam levels we have. How about Only My Railgun's full song with the level 44 difficulty? I'm not experienced at mapping, but I think the autoconvert is close to the quality it needs to be for ranking. Why haven't we ranked any BMS songs? I also think we could promote the community to competitive players looking to play the game if some of these converts are approved. Is there something in the project section I haven't seen about this? I respect the community and it's choices, but I do believe there are people looking to see harder maps approved.

At the very least, couldn't scores for submitted beatmaps be uploaded online to facilitate people to compete with each other instead of keeping a less meaningful local ranking.

Maybe I'm just stepping in and saying this without knowing what I'm talking about, but I'd like to encourage the game to evolve and for mappers to keep up the hard work.

Well I'll be blunt here and say BMS songs belong in BMS and o2jam songs belong in o2jam. People should look to create original content instead ;o

And you're not allowed to rank maps from other games anyways :p

tbonedavis13 wrote:

I've also seen people like 'Latitude Chaser' create an account, get a 99.71% on Imperishable Night 2006 Lunatic difficulty, and then delete his account an hour or two later.

For the record, Latitude Chaser was hacking; IN2006 lunatic score had exactly 4 misses, with the rest being about 80-20 on rainbow 300s to regular 300s. The account was banned.