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I'm also a big fan of alternating with mouse only and I can agree with this. It takes lots of practice but yeah with alternating I was able to get my top performance and also want to get better with it . I actually alternate because I even have problems with singletapping 200bpm and find it hard to improve.sarasseo wrote:
alternating with mouse only is hard
I also recommend this. Learn to single-tap with your other finger first.Bolwind wrote:
If you aren't alternating with accuracy then the problem is you aren't using your other finger enough, try only using that finger to single tap songs rather than your preferred finger and see how that helps you.
Mid session, I can do, say, 190BPM comfortably, but there's that grey area about eighth notes. They're like super slow streams, here I'll find a video.sarasseo wrote:
what bpm and above specifically are you having trouble with? personally, I can single tap 1/2 until 222 bpm (need more speed!). im also a mouse only player.
with practice and dedication, im sure mouse only can single tap as fast as keyboard players.
Because I'm using a Razer Spectre (not a claw grip mouse) and I'm using a claw grip (and I have a small thumb), my mouse is usually pointed slightly inward, huge difference when I changed that.Bolwind wrote:
hold the mouse sideways a bit
I'm just goofing because I have no idea what system I'm using, I try to LRLRL but then I make one tiny mistake and cascade to failure. Normally I'd just tough it out and learn the new technique, but I literally went from passing most 5star songs I come across first time to being unable to pass any 5star songs alternating.Bolwind wrote:
If you aren't alternating with accuracy
Tryna look at my options (ask what others do) to see what's best.Bauxe wrote:
1) Practice what you find best / most comfortable
That one note has ended so many of my would-be-FC runsKoreh wrote:
one left over note
You and Bolwind might be on to something. Perhaps a method to not put me lightyears behind where I am is to get my secondary finger technique up to a passable level, and then start climbing the mountain of sorting out alternation.RaneFire wrote:
I also recommend this. Learn to single-tap with your other finger first.
I use a G400 (right-hand, palm grip) and find that resting only the right-most portion of my palm against the mouse has helped me regain some control by using my thumb, allowing it to move a little more by leaving the left-most part of my palm slightly off the mouse.PinkMunn wrote:
Because I'm using a Razer Spectre (not a claw grip mouse) and I'm using a claw grip (and I have a small thumb), my mouse is usually pointed slightly inward, huge difference when I changed that.Bolwind wrote:
hold the mouse sideways a bit
Because it's fun.iderekmc wrote:
why do u play mouse only? ure cooler?
My accuracy is horrible alternating, I can't even play the map in your screenie with DT. Maybe I'm just better at lower BPM.trololol123 wrote:
I don't know how you alternate so accurate at such low bpm RaneFire, I can only alternate on maps with at least 220bpm, like this map. That's why I use doubletime alot, because there aren't lots of maps with 220bpm that don't have much jumps in it (jumping while alternating is kinda impossible for me, especially on high bpm) and just choose some hard diffs that get at least 220bpm with doubletime on.
Alternating seems mandatory for progression at this point.No, playing more seems mandatory. Also keep on singletapping. Your fingers can't be that weak, seriously.
100% right. But if you can't do it slow, you'll never do it fast.-Chronopolis- wrote:
You won't build speed without practicing fast songs.
If you can single tap either finger at 200 bpm, and you learn to alternate, kudos, now you can alternate 400 bpm.-Chronopolis- wrote:
you will not improve single tap speed if you switch to an alternating style.
I've heard a lot of people talking about how they use their wrists in singletapping technique. Can you be more specific please? Does the beginning of the motion come from your wrist?-Chronopolis- wrote:
I can hit notes at 270 using my wrist
I probably should've been more specific when I made the thread. Although my single tapping needs work, I'm running into songs whose single tapping is so fast it's basically a stream from a slower song (they just replace quarters with eighths). I didn't know how to deal with this, my instinct was to alternate it, but I didn't have the practice with alternating anything but streams and triplets to do this.-Chronopolis- wrote:
Try high bpm songs on their hard difficulties, or look for that list of single-tap songs.
You might find this amusing, but I actually think streams are easy, but REALLY punishing. You make a single mistake, insta-fail. Streams with other hard stuff around them are deathtraps, but short (~4-5 note) streams out in the open are free points and hp imo.-Chronopolis- wrote:
Streaming stamina is rough, iuuno.
It's more efficient to go 121 - 212 - 121 - 212-Chronopolis- wrote:
Triples are started and ended with the main finger:
I've been practicing single-tapping with my secondary finger, it's actually really helping a lot. I started on half-time, and worked my way up. Part of my issue is that my "snap" technique includes an index finger click at the end. I have to manually not do that, and I lose accuracy and speed.-Chronopolis- wrote:
which means often you slam the second key of doubles, making your recovery super slow.
THIS KILLS ME, THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I FIND MYSELF UNABLE TO DO. The first one, with alternating sixteenths (streaming, in my mind,) I'm very comfortable with. When I found the kinds of rhythmic figures in this song in easier/slower songs, I would single tap them because I could. The speed is getting such that I can't single tap eighth notes like those anymore. Can someone who good send me a replay of this done with perfect technique so I can pick it apart? IDC so much if it's SS more that you're using the correct alternation. This is absolute gold, thanks so much. Send more if you have please. Also, thanks for actually answering my questions, shoutout for being extra awesome.-Chronopolis- wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/248490&m=0 (spaced alternating)
This happens to me with eighth notes even at slow speeds. I think the solution is to devise a "system" which I do the same thing every time, but I have no experience so it's hard. The streams I can manage because it's just "chuga-chuga-chuga" or "tika-tika-tika" in my head and it works. In the phoenetic rhythmic system I was taught in music eighth notes are all "ti-ti-ti-ti-ti," which means that there's nothing separating left and right, it's entirely ambiguous compared to "ti-ka" (L-R). I've logged hundreds/thousands of hours reading music with these going in my head so I don't know what to do x.x-Chronopolis- wrote:
without my hand getting instantly confused.
All I care about in my grip is that it'sRaneFire wrote:
Claw grip also rests the palm against the mouse, even more tightly, but with all fingers arched so that your fingertips descend vertically onto the buttons. I used to play like this, but found it to be self-destructive for my single-tapping finger.
Fingertip grip is where the palm is not, and I don't recommend this at all for mouse-only.
If any human can single tap a stream at a reasonable bpm (16th notes, 1/4 notes are 1 per beat), they are superman imo. Take your BPM, multiply it by 4, it's like single tapping at that speed. Say someone's a god, and can single tap at 325 bpm. 325/4 is about 80. They can do streams at 80bpm singletapping. Sorry, but no. xDsarasseo wrote:
you can technically single tap the whole song
I learn new stuff by watching replays and thinking about it, when I'm actually playing, I'm just executing what I've though out and practiced.sarasseo wrote:
improvising is good!
How did you learn to alternate? Did you just do it from the moment you needed to? What was your progression like?trololol123 wrote:
I don't know how you alternate so accurate at such low bpm RaneFire, I can only alternate on maps with at least 220bpm, like this map. That's why I use doubletime alot, because there aren't lots of maps with 220bpm that don't have much jumps in it (jumping while alternating is kinda impossible for me, especially on high bpm) and just choose some hard diffs that get at least 220bpm with doubletime on.
Because I first learned mouse only, and I'm as lazy as I can get away with being. I don't need to learn mouse + keyboard, so I'm not gonna. The only reason I'm even considering changing my technique is because I think it's literally impossible to move on to songs that I want to play like Scarlet Rose, Remind, etc. without improving my technique. With my current technique I'm single tapping the eight note almost-streams. They list double the acutal bpm on the song because the mappers use eighths as a default instead of quarters.iderekmc wrote:
why do u play mouse only? ure cooler?
I'm actually just playing my best. I'm not playing mouse + keyboard because I don't know how. Unfortunately for me, part of my "snapping" technique involves the act of clicking the mouse. The second I stop clicking I have to relearn how I move the mouse. The "move to and click" is one idea in my head, I feel like I'm playing autopilot + relax when I do mouse+keyboard and it's really weird/uncomfortable/bad.RaneFire wrote:
"playing your best = the only way to have fun,"
I have local highscores turned on only for a reason. I literally don't care what other people are getting, I just want to be my own score. There is NOTHING like doing a 2 hour practice session on a song, and coming back the next day and CRUSHING your pb by 2mil.RaneFire wrote:
because you realise just how crap you are after trying everything possible to play at your best and still suck compared to other people.
Although you're right in principle, if one single element of your technique it literally the stupidest, least efficient thing ever, and it's holding you back big time, it's worth it to spend time improving your technique, even if it sets you back a bit. AKA investment.Breiz wrote:
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Alternating seems mandatory for progression at this point.
No, playing more seems mandatory. Also keep on singletapping. Your fingers can't be that weak, seriously.
He's referring to keyboard play, I have not found a way to single-tap with my wrist on the mouse.PinkMunn wrote:
I've heard a lot of people talking about how they use their wrists in singletapping technique. Can you be more specific please? Does the beginning of the motion come from your wrist?-Chronopolis- wrote:
I can hit notes at 270 using my wrist
bewaredrev wrote:
the walls of text are real
I started alternating when I played maps which required the singletap speed I didn't have. Every map I couldn't singletap I just began alternating, that means only at high speeds/bpm. It's hard to get good at, but I really do notice some progression. It's just overall very helpful at high speeds and it's always good to know different playstyles. That way you can probably play lots of different maps.PinkMunn wrote:
How did you learn to alternate? Did you just do it from the moment you needed to? What was your progression like?
100% right. But if you can't do it slow, you'll never do it fast.Yup that's also true. Single tap is the simplest of techniques in terms of execution difficulty, so once you get it pat down speed quickly becomes the only limiting factor. That can't be said for streaming, aim/jumps, or anything else really.
I've heard a lot of people talking about how they use their wrists in singletapping technique. Can you be more specific please? Does the beginning of the motion come from your wrist?The finger is held rigid, your wrist no longer bends during aiming, virtually all aiming seems to come from your arm. Imagine putting your index finger on a spot of ink on your table and smudging it. Now do that with your index finger on the mouse. It might feel like dragging the mouse button down with your wrist.
I probably should've been more specific when I made the thread. Although my single tapping needs work, I'm running into songs whose single tapping is so fast it's basically a stream from a slower song (they just replace quarters with eighths). I didn't know how to deal with this, my instinct was to alternate it, but I didn't have the practice with alternating anything but streams and triplets to do this.You gotta learn how to alternate eventually even as a single tapper. Practice slow streams first, half time and the works. You can do half time autopilot to make you are able to alternate and start in rhythm, and that it's the combined aiming that you need to work on. Actually, just the rhythm part can be incredibly difficult. It might be comforting to know that the rhythm part (the song on autopilot) is no more difficult than with mouse only then with mouse/keyboard.
You might find this amusing, but I actually think streams are easy, but REALLY punishing. You make a single mistake, insta-fail. Streams with other hard stuff around them are deathtraps, but short (~4-5 note) streams out in the open are free points and hp imo.I play nofail most of the time, but yes, missing a stack of 3 or 5 will often just kill you. I think you should snap (move) to each note the same whether it's a single, or a stack, but it seems like I'm bracing my fingers a bit to start the stack, which makes the motion slightly different (for one, I take the pressure off my index finger). This should really be solved with some kind of finger independence and secondary finger training. Interesting to note that a chain of singles followed by a stream is obnoxiously difficult and I cannot do it at all. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/33911
(Left finger - right finger)At half time, or in the editor you should be able to count whether short-streams have an even number of notes or odd, and thus which finger you'll start and end with. However, you need to develop rhythm, such that you don't need to know whether the stream is odd or even numbered to play it. Ideally your finger should not press any differently except for the perhaps the last few finals notes where you line your tapping up to the final notes.
superman singletap:Change can single tap at least 260bpm with his fingers. That's not 260/4, but 260/2 =130 bpm stream. Anyways, you still have to learn how to alternate eventually, but that does not mean that you shouldn't push your finger single tap. Another thing that makes single tapping streams hard is that slow streams turn into long chains of 1/2's. Same reason why 175 short-stream is no problem, but 175 stream of medium-long length is wtf. As long as the stamina and rhythm is there, it's just learning how to keep pressing and keep pressing evenly. Practice with long chains at lower speed and increase speed. After learning to alternate and stream so-so, I got lazy, didn't practice them, and so I'm pretty bad at single chains.