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DaddyCoolVipper

Ceph23 wrote:

dkun wrote:

anong klasing tao yan?
Taong biktima ng masamang kapaligiran.

I agree that he did something really unforgivable and that he deserves every punishment he received and maybe even more. And maybe the only reason why I still call him friend is my foolish decision too try and see the good in all people. But I feel a bit guilty.
I mean I've known the guy for a very long time so I knew about the things that were hurting him. If I knew that these things would eventualy lead him to do something despicable, I would have done what I could to convince him not to.
It just bothers me that I never did anything to help him before it was too late.
So I still treat him like my friend.
Just make sure you're not blaming his parents or whatever for it. Sure, they might've given him a hard life, but as Dulcet said- there's no excuses to hurt someone who's totally innocent like that, and *especially* not when it comes to rape. A lot of people get their lives absolutely ruined just because some guy decided to do that, eurghgh, you must have no idea how much it can hurt somebody.
AlucPanda

Ceph23 wrote:

I still call him friend because he really isn't a bad guy. He was always definetly nicer than me during highschool.
I can somewhat relate. First off, relax guys, Ceph is in no way trying to "justify" the crime or give an "excuse"; she's simply stating the essential core character of her friend. It is not always the case that someone who commits a crime is automatically and forever distinguished as a "bad guy". For instance, during acute depression I too have resorted to sexual means for relief. While nowhere near the degree of underage rape, I can at least understand the motives and pressures that led to his decision. (Relax, I said understand, not acknowledge).

Ceph, who knows what I would have done if not a single friend would stay by my side during my darkest of times. I understand this is a highly serious crime and understand why many would choose to ignore him. But I also understand why you still consider him a friend and still recognize his core character, and I encourage you to stay by his side and facilitate his reflective rehabilitation.
DaddyCoolVipper
There's not much rehabilitation if you're treating it as: "Oh, it wasn't really *him* doing it, it was because of his bad background!"

I don't know too much about 'murrican prisons, but they don't seem like they help much with this sort of behaviour. To be able to rape someone, your "core character" has to be the type that could. Even people with horrible lives can understand how horrible and wrong it is, never mind actually going out and doing it.
Ceph23
Ok point taken.
The guy is messed up like pickle flavored ice cream I get it. I know I can't blame it all on the shit that happened in his life and he deserves to get his dick get ripped apart by tigers or something. Maybe he decieved us by showing us a fake version of himself for 11 damned years and maybe he is rotten to the core.
But please understand he was my friend before he became like this. It's hard to just abandon a person you've grown up with because of a single defining moment. We WANT to see him change for the better.
As stupid and foolish as it might sound, we aren't giving up on him yet.
I don't expect many people to understand this.
Trash Boat
uff, thanks
DaddyCoolVipper

Ceph23 wrote:

Ok point taken.
The guy is messed up like pickle flavored ice cream I get it. I know I can't blame it all on the shit that happened in his life and he deserves to get his dick get ripped apart by tigers or something. Maybe he decieved us by showing us a fake version of himself for 11 damned years and maybe he is rotten to the core.
But please understand he was my friend before he became like this. It's hard to just abandon a person you've grown up with because of a single defining moment. We WANT to see him change for the better.
As stupid and foolish as it might sound, we aren't giving up on him yet.
I don't expect many people to understand this.
No, it's perfectly understandable. I still think you're trying to justify his actions just because of his life, but I guess that you really don't want to accept what happened. And you're definitely right about not abandoning him, he really needs help- I just don't want him to be taught that he did nothing wrong, and that it was all his parents' fault, etc.
bidizana
<3
AlucPanda

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

To be able to rape someone, your "core character" has to be the type that could.
That's quite an extreme claim. You'd be surprised how much of an impact mental health and context can make, to an otherwise perfectly gentle person.
NotEvenDoomMusic

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

To be able to rape someone, your "core character" has to be the type that could.
Uguu~ I- I will proceed t-to r-r-rape you s-senpai! *pummeling*
I- I will c-continue to r-rape you until y-y-you are d-dead-su~ ★☆★☆
Birdy
N-NEDM-s-senpai~

p-please put y-your S-Snickers™ inside m-my p-portal to the s-69th d-dimension >////////<

on a slightly related note, Renard is a disgusting trash http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/73788138162 (slightly nsfw, take cautioN)

and no I won't get tired of posting that
Sethlied
lewd
[Luanny]

Static Noise Bird wrote:

N-NEDM-s-senpai~

p-please put y-your S-Snickers™ inside m-my p-portal to the s-69th d-dimension >////////<

on a slightly related note, Renard is a disgusting trash http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/73788138162 (slightly nsfw, take cautioN)

and no I won't get tired of posting that
ugh disgusting guy
vipto

Static Noise Bird wrote:

N-NEDM-s-senpai~

p-please put y-your S-Snickers™ inside m-my p-portal to the s-69th d-dimension >////////<

on a slightly related note, Renard is a disgusting trash http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/73788138162 (slightly nsfw, take cautioN)

and no I won't get tired of posting that
wait what
GladiOol

Static Noise Bird wrote:

on a slightly related note, Renard is a disgusting trash http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/73788138162 (slightly nsfw, take cautioN)

and no I won't get tired of posting that
I see juicy drama; care to tell me the enire story behind it ¿
SaigonAlice

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

Ceph23 wrote:

Ok point taken.
The guy is messed up like pickle flavored ice cream I get it. I know I can't blame it all on the shit that happened in his life and he deserves to get his dick get ripped apart by tigers or something. Maybe he decieved us by showing us a fake version of himself for 11 damned years and maybe he is rotten to the core.
But please understand he was my friend before he became like this. It's hard to just abandon a person you've grown up with because of a single defining moment. We WANT to see him change for the better.
As stupid and foolish as it might sound, we aren't giving up on him yet.
I don't expect many people to understand this.
No, it's perfectly understandable. I still think you're trying to justify his actions just because of his life, but I guess that you really don't want to accept what happened. And you're definitely right about not abandoning him, he really needs help- I just don't want him to be taught that he did nothing wrong, and that it was all his parents' fault, etc.
good on you, daddycoolvipper and ceph23.
NotEvenDoomMusic
god bless
Jarby

GladiOol wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

on a slightly related note, Renard is a disgusting trash http://nishimikan.tumblr.com/post/73788138162 (slightly nsfw, take cautioN)

and no I won't get tired of posting that
I see juicy drama; care to tell me the enire story behind it ¿
https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?topic=722.0

The quote at the end just disgusts me, like "haha sorry for groping you while I'm asleep totally an accident by the way it's my fetish". Even if the victim's story is false, his attitude from the quote is horribly problematic; somnophilia in that context (i.e. without prior consent) is sexual assault, not a little accident.
Wojjan
I bookmarked that website this is amazing.
Shellghost
Reminds me of when I performed a minor sexual act on my girlfriend-at-the-time while I was literally asleep. She woke me up and had to tell me because I was confused.
DaddyCoolVipper
Controversial opinion: Public shaming him for this is going pretty far. I think it's quite a personal issue, not something that the entire world needs to know- after all, he's not going out and molesting his fangirls or whatever.
Apex_old
who is renard
Wojjan

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

Controversial opinion: Public shaming him for this is going pretty far. I think it's quite a personal issue, not something that the entire world needs to know- after all, he's not going out and molesting his fangirls or whatever.
Going out and molesting a fangirl - be it with a lasting relationship between these two actions - is exactly what happened!
Liiraye
It may be wrong/inappropriate/illegal or w/e but come on. He touched his (girlfriend?) who slept in his bed on her own will (prolly after sex anyway) and boom - he's a rapist pig manipulative scumbag? I think this has blown way out of proportion unless I missed something. Please lmk if so.

Note I think he's a scumbag pig because of other reasons. I do not condone this type of behavior unless it's mutual ofc. Stil,l making a public scene and going to therapy because your s/o groped you in your sleep? I and Sooo many other people who have been through ten times worse stuff without the need of therapy see this as a cry for attention. Hate all you want but I think stuff like this can be resolved by a simple face to face dialogue.

Didn't mean to go OT but I just felt like expressing my opinion on the matter.
Cyclohexane
I know if someone groped me in my sleep and woke me up I'd be fucking pissed off
Tanzklaue

Liiraye wrote:

It may be wrong/inappropriate/illegal or w/e but come on. He touched his (girlfriend?) who slept in his bed on her own will (prolly after sex anyway) and boom - he's a rapist pig manipulative scumbag? I think this has blown way out of proportion unless I missed something. Please lmk if so.

Note I think he's a scumbag pig because of other reasons. I do not condone this type of behavior unless it's mutual ofc. Stil,l making a public scene and going to therapy because your s/o groped you in your sleep? I and Sooo many other people who have been through ten times worse stuff without the need of therapy see this as a cry for attention. Hate all you want but I think stuff like this can be resolved by a simple face to face dialogue.

Didn't mean to go OT but I just felt like expressing my opinion on the matter.
i think HE (renard) goes to therapy, not her.

also the groping was after the being gf and bf i think. and do you really think she would be upset about groping if they just had sex? like really?
Liiraye

Mr Color wrote:

I know if someone groped me in my sleep and woke me up I'd be fucking pissed off
If a random sleezeball would grope me in my sleep Id beat him up

However, regardless if I'm together with a girl, if she had groped me WHEN WE WERE SLEEPING IN THE SAME BED wink wink after obvious activities, at most I'd be mad she didn't wake me up for it.

Again, I don't know all the details and unless you guys do, I'd refrain from making bold claims.
GladiOol
Ironic that by making these logs public she mad an even bigger pig-like move.
Zeraph
the posts were pretty interesting. renard seems like a dirty cunt/10
mathexpert
Regarding the thing with renard; I don't really care. I can separate the music from the artist, so I'll still be enjoying or hating his music all the same.

This whole thing is something that is personal to renard and nishimikan, I don't understand why everybody is gossiping and speculating and discussing so intensely about it
I mean yeah he is a bit of a "celebrity" but ultimately it's his thing to work out
also I don't know who nishimikan is but s/he seems like a questionable *ahem cutthroat* person as well

asdfjk;ewds
Sethlied
I keep my lewd in my osu folder
Foxtrot
do they need to resolve those issues by themselves? yes

did she need to spread the word about it? absolutely not

the reason why she is so upset of being groped it's because of previous sex abuse experience. being touched without permission makes her feel defenseless, like a fish on the ground. it is natural that nishimikan would feel very scared towards renard, because he touched her many times in her sleep without her permission.

when i read the whole deal about nishimikan the first thought that popped in my head was "oh, poor girl", but was there anything i could do about it? no. and neither the other people who read it could help her in any way (unless they stalk renard and kill him, but that's another story).

so why did she post it in anyway? i like to think of it as a cry of desperate help. when someone is desperate enough to get out of a situation, they'll end up doing very idiotic things, like talking about your own (very serious) personal issues about your boyfriend, even though she perfectly know the world is not obliged to care, unless it's tumblr.

tumblr is ridden by radical feminists and every type of female that hates the male sex. what nishimikan did was a smart move: she posted a rape accuse in a website like tumblr, because its bloggers will always give a shit about you if you're a "rape survivor" (and if you are not, you might as well kill yourself, you cishet scum). but then again, can these radfem do anything about it? no.

tldr; renard may be a scumbag, but posting it around won't help her, nor him.
Sethlied
holy fuck why do men even lust after 3dpd
Rorona
because I'll just make a terrible comment, I'll just quote what I think is the most important thing said about this topic.

Jarby wrote:

his attitude from the quote is horribly problematic
Shellghost
>There are people on this earth right now in the year two thousand and thirteen plus one who literally think that is legally rape.

The SRS have already won.

He's lucky it ended there and he didn't accidentally roll over one morning and tap her leg with his morning wood. She would have called the police. It doesn't take a genius to recognize that casual sex might not be a great idea for someone mentally damaged from sexual assault/abuse/literal rape.
South
Wow this thread has been real serious.

On a lighter note I've been haply due to some recent events. Its a nice change from all the consistant indifference
Shellghost
It's pretty ridiculous to ask him to pay good money to go to therapy over something which she has a problem with, especially when it can also be solved with, I don't know, sleeping separately.

She's basically saying, "I was abused by someone with a big nose and renard has a big nose why won't he spend 20,000 dosh to get plastic surgery to remove his nose? He literally rapes me every time he looks at me." This obviously isn't a perfect metaphor for the situation as a whole but more so for the aftermath.

I also find it funny how intense her victim complex is that she actually posted this private situation online with the intent of "warning" other girls that he might touch them sexualy incase they get in a sexual relationship with him, like she's just assumed that it's completely normal to forbid your sexual partner from touching you unannounced and that it isn't her personal issue.

Fucking thanks, tumblr.
Zeraph
i like dulcet's avatar
Trash Boat
i have something to confess but i'll wait to see if it success or not so i can tell you
NotEvenDoomMusic

Trash Boat wrote:

i have something to confess but i'll wait to see if it success or not so i can tell you
schrödingers cat?
SaigonAlice
NotEvenDoomMusic

SaigonAlice wrote:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0K3ZsrbgPZ7
at least be nice and say god bless.
SaigonAlice

NotEvenDoomMusic wrote:

SaigonAlice wrote:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0K3ZsrbgPZ7
at least be nice and say god bless.
thats actually not me
Cyclohexane
so remember when we knew renard for his music


yeah I don't either I just raged on BD's beatmaps a lot
Trash Boat

SaigonAlice wrote:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0K3ZsrbgPZ7
burp! lol
Birdy

Sethlied wrote:

holy fuck why do men even lust after 3dpd
i'm sorry for your continuous utter stupidity
Cyclohexane
Was wondering when people would finally take the bait
Wojjan

Shellghost wrote:

It's pretty ridiculous to ask him to pay good money to go to therapy over something which she has a problem with, especially when it can also be solved with, I don't know, sleeping separately.

She's basically saying, "I was abused by someone with a big nose and renard has a big nose why won't he spend 20,000 dosh to get plastic surgery to remove his nose? He literally rapes me every time he looks at me." This obviously isn't a perfect metaphor for the situation as a whole but more so for the aftermath.

I also find it funny how intense her victim complex is that she actually posted this private situation online with the intent of "warning" other girls that he might touch them sexualy incase they get in a sexual relationship with him, like she's just assumed that it's completely normal to forbid your sexual partner from touching you unannounced and that it isn't her personal issue.

Fucking thanks, tumblr.
Re: first paragraph: Renard already admits to themselves BEFORE this post that his gropiness is a problem regardless of what nishi thought about it, second one is a gross exaggeration i won't even humor and the third is entirely stilted. How about if you know that a girl has issues with touching her in sexual places because of PTSD, would you hide your sleepgroping when she stays over, and sleep together anyway? If somebody you know has a problem with getting felt up then just don't feel her up???????????
wow shelly since when are you an idiot.

Not every woman who says she has been sexually abused is doing it because it is a crime from a man abusing a woman. Some people do this because it is a crime from a person to a person.
GladiOol
I'm going to confess that I hate Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre. They ruined existentialism.
Bweh
On that topic, I get the impression that most existentialists need to learn how to write, especially Marcel. It might just be the translation though.
AlucPanda
On that note, it really does piss me off how philosophers just can't resist writing in such unnecessarily convoluted syntax. It's as if they're afraid they'll suddenly lose credibility if they decided to speak in a clearer, less fancy form. I understand that speaking formally and intelligibly helps foster a more critical mindset, but bear in mind there's a fine line between rhetorical professionalism and rhetorical grandiosity.
Yoeri
Do you not notice your hypocrisy right now?
GladiOol

Yoeri wrote:

Do you not notice your hypocrisy right now?
He wears a fedora, he's entitled to talk like that.
AlucPanda

Yoeri wrote:

Do you not notice your hypocrisy right now?
1. Vocabulary =/= syntax. In a field like philosophy, I would certainly expect multi-syllabic words to be used.

2. It's as if you read one or two SAT words in my post and immediately labeled it as rhetorically pretentious. SAT words, much scary.

3. It's clear you've never read a philosophy work then. My previous post is literally Doctor Seuss compared to the convoluted bullshit they conjure up.
Yoeri
You caught me. I'm actually afraid of smart people, that's why I bully them.
Wait.
tyrael6192
relative to the general iq of this forum what you just wrote is equivalent to convoluted philosophy and therefore makes you a hypocrite

please avoid intellectual discussion in future
AlucPanda
I merely provided an orderly response to a conversation you yourself initiated. No ad hominem or overly emotional attacks were used.

2+ SAT words = pretentious hypocrite, Maturely respond to something Yoeri initiated = insecure cyber bully. I will remember to be extra cautious in your presence so as to not spontaneously set off another red flag.


@tyrael6192 In comparison to philosophical works, the post was fairly straightforward. But I understand where you're coming from, point taken.
GladiOol

AlucPanda wrote:

I merely provided an orderly response to a conversation you yourself initiated. No ad hominem or overly emotional attacks were used.

2+ SAT words = pretentious hypocrite, Maturely respond to something Yoeri initiated = insecure cyber bully. I will remember to be extra cautious in your presence so as to not spontaneously set off another red flag.
I bet you have a lot of friends.
[Luanny]
I like how the topic suddenly changed
Nerve_old
I only wear 90% on my clothes 10% of the time.
mekadon_old

I always have the feeling of "feeling bad" after accidentally spoiling an innocent person, oh well
Zeraph
do you guys fap together
Roberta10

Aeidxst wrote:

Confess something about yourself, your thoughts, anything.
Anything? I could get in prison for that.
dkun

AlucPanda wrote:

I merely provided an orderly response to a conversation you yourself initiated. No ad hominem or overly emotional attacks were used.

2+ SAT words = pretentious hypocrite, Maturely respond to something Yoeri initiated = insecure cyber bully. I will remember to be extra cautious in your presence so as to not spontaneously set off another red flag.


@tyrael6192 In comparison to philosophical works, the post was fairly straightforward. But I understand where you're coming from, point taken.
how new are you
mekadon_old

Zeraph wrote:

do you guys fap together
Shhh ;)
Zeraph
wow can i join in on that fun
dkun
mmmmmmf baby
mekadon_old
There is always room for one, Zeraph :D
OzzyOzrock
you guys SUCK AT CONFESSING

I CONFESS THAT
Shellghost

Wojjan wrote:

Re: first paragraph: Renard already admits to themselves BEFORE this post that his gropiness is a problem regardless of what nishi thought about it, second one is a gross exaggeration i won't even humor and the third is entirely stilted. How about if you know that a girl has issues with touching her in sexual places because of PTSD, would you hide your sleepgroping when she stays over, and sleep together anyway? If somebody you know has a problem with getting felt up then just don't feel her up???????????
wow shelly since when are you an idiot.

Not every woman who says she has been sexually abused is doing it because it is a crime from a man abusing a woman. Some people do this because it is a crime from a person to a person.
I don't recall condoning his actions, my statements were said in order to point out her illogical actions in order to bring a bit of diversity into the tumble/reddit hugbox that this place has seemed to turn into.

As it turns out, people's words often betray their true intentions, like when someone says something is a problem but doesn't do anything about it. It's highly likely he even went into therapy for the short time he did in the hopes that he could continue to have sex with the girl.

And again, maybe someone with PTSD from sexual abuse shouldn't try to have carefree sex in a casual manner. She'd be better of trying to find a relationship. And she still has no reason to anounce all this private stuff publicly other than to shame him.

If you're fine with having such an abundant guilty until proven innocent mentality in this place than whatever.
Wojjan

Shellghost wrote:

I don't recall condoning his actions, my statements were said in order to point out her illogical actions in order to bring a bit of diversity into the tumble/reddit hugbox that this place has seemed to turn into.

As it turns out, people's words often betray their true intentions, like when someone says something is a problem but doesn't do anything about it. It's highly likely he even went into therapy for the short time he did in the hopes that he could continue to have sex with the girl.

And again, maybe someone with PTSD from sexual abuse shouldn't try to have carefree sex in a casual manner. She'd be better of trying to find a relationship. And she still has no reason to anounce all this private stuff publicly other than to shame him.

If you're fine with having such an abundant guilty until proven innocent mentality in this place than whatever.
If you want a response to your arguments in full feel free to PM me, but I'm not gonna continue that in a thread where the entire discussion is kind of irrelevant from the start. I just want to affirm that when your opinion is an obvious minority for once, the forum has not per se "become a hugbox," in whatever sense you're using an empty term. So far I can only see people agreeing with one another, which in the O-T clique mentality is definitely not a rarity. If that becomes a symptom of a hugbox the moment you're not part of the feelgood, well, whatever.
silmarilen
circlejerk is so 2013
hugbox is totally the thing now
South

silmarilen wrote:

circlejerk is so 2013
hugbox is totally the thing now
Sethlied

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sethlied wrote:

holy fuck why do men even lust after 3dpd
i'm sorry for your continuous utter stupidity
stay mad used goods
Zeraph

mekadon wrote:

There is always room for one, Zeraph :D
im so in.
Kanye West
Why does everyone hate reddit. It's actually a useful resource and anyone who says otherwise has never been to r/medicine
Shellghost
Because the popularized culture of a site is what the whole site is identified as by those who don't want to come into contact with that culture.
Piine
I hate that I can't make people suffer ._.
Weed
shits deep man
Liiraye

Kanye West wrote:

Why does everyone hate reddit. It's actually a useful resource and anyone who says otherwise has never been to r/medicine

I actually see the contrary. Everyone seems to fkn idolize reddit as some kind of diety.
Cyclohexane

Kanye West wrote:

Why does everyone hate reddit. It's actually a useful resource and anyone who says otherwise has never been to r/medicine

When it comes to my personal interests, 4chan has a lot more of insight than reddit ever will
And I wanna say a lot less shitposting but then people like Sethlied exist
maal
gobble gobble

get the cocks out and start spitting out some confessions
Apex_old

Sulker wrote:

I hate that I can't make people suffer ._.
Put some laxative in drinks of your friends
Seiuji
i love maal, he has good penis
hersa37
^wut??
I'm a night person. my brain activates when it's dark but my eyelids doesn't seem to agree
AnreFM
and apparently that sentence contradicts each other I guess
Ceph23

hersa37 wrote:

^wut??
I'm a night person. my brain activates when it's dark but my eyelids doesn't seem to agree
Same here. My friends say I get real lively during the night. Also the morning and I do NOT get along at all.
maal

Seiuji wrote:

i love maal, he has good penis
i thought you quit son

im disappointed
SaigonAlice

maal wrote:

Seiuji wrote:

i love maal, he has good penis
i thought you quit son

im disappointed
pénis is french for penis haha so romantic
nyrox
I didn't lose your Pokemon Gold, I stole it.
_smu
I skipped circle clicking practice today . .
Senpoii

silmarilen wrote:

many people think i am a girl, including myself.
Good to see I'm not the only one.


I confess that Asuna, Homura, and Luka really are my waifus. I sleep with them every night, too.
Trash Boat
lol a polygam
NotEvenDoomMusic

Ilfri wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

many people think i am a girl, including myself.
Good to see I'm not the only one.


I confess that Asuna, Homura, and Luka really are my waifus. I sleep with them every night, too.
It's okay.

Everyone makes mistakes my quoting something from the very first page with the content being over a year old.
and yes, silm is a very sexy girl.
South
:P

NotEvenDoomMusic wrote:

It's okay.

Everyone makes mistakes my quoting something from the very first page with the content being over a year old.
and yes, silm is a very sexygirlloli.
Tsukimi Luna
But im a cuter loli ;-;
Trash Boat
if u say so...
SaigonAlice
i've cross dressed before
Ceph23

SaigonAlice wrote:

i've cross dressed before
I never really got cross dressing. Why do people do that? I'd like to know.
Tanzklaue

Ceph23 wrote:

SaigonAlice wrote:

i've cross dressed before
I never really got cross dressing. Why do people do that? I'd like to know.
gender identity issues, curiousity, lost bets...
E14

Yuu-Chii wrote:

But im a cuter loli ;-;
i really sensed it that you're a cute loli ever since :33 <33

many people think i am a girl, including myself.

Good to see I'm not the only one.
but im also teasing me as a girl/loli/nee-san in osu ;//////;

and this...

i've cross dressed before
i dressed a black short skirt, taking pictures it and showing it to my close japanese girl in osu a long ago. recently i wore a wig and eventually make it my profile pic on fb. ;/////; anyway, i got more likes than any of my pics have xD
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