it would have given false (or unsecure) information to town, especially if i had died and then everyone found out that i'm not a hider. staying behind fakeclaims for any amount of time is pretty scummy, though in my case if all had worked out perfectly for me it would've been perfect to live through night 1 and give some real information on day 2.bmin11 wrote:
Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.
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yes it was meNoHitter wrote:
For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?
Ya I was saying that on the assumption of "if Tanz is scum"Tanzklaue wrote:
it would have given false (or unsecure) information to town, especially if i had died and then everyone found out that i'm not a hider. staying behind fakeclaims for any amount of time is pretty scummy, though in my case if all had worked out perfectly for me it would've been perfect to live through night 1 and give some real information on day 2.bmin11 wrote:
Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.
why should i tell you?Sephibro wrote:
so what's your actual role?
I probably need to reread aren't I <_<NoHitter wrote:
For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?
I think it's because Oni wasn't even a good reason to vote in the first place. But hey, that's just me.
@tanz, did you even get anything then for d2?
@tanz, did you even get anything then for d2?
the wagon against oni wasn't in my taste at all, and i didn't have any solid scumreads on anyone else aswell.Sephibro wrote:
Tanz: why didn't you vote anyone for the whole d1?
@RB no, which is why i didn't get out with the "fake "claim" directly at the beginning of day 2.
@mod: Limited access til Friday
also gif are you going v/la without posting any content before?
you didn't even comment the tanz case
is this for convenience?
what do you think bmin11?
you didn't even comment the tanz case
is this for convenience?
what do you think bmin11?
Si.Sephibro wrote:
also gif are you going v/la without posting any content before?
you didn't even comment the tanz case
is this for convenience?
what do you think bmin11?
Also I saw you wanting to talk to bmin about it, so I'm not responding to it for now.
Also I need to reread at some point, because I feel like my memory on d1 stuff is fading.
i'm just trying to involve him too, looks like he needs to be asked to post for actually postingGuyInFreezer wrote:
Also I saw you wanting to talk to bmin about it, so I'm not responding to it for now.
So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?
I read few of his games and it looks more like his town meta to me.
I read few of his games and it looks more like his town meta to me.
it was meGuyInFreezer wrote:
So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?
but i also said "meta" is a very volatile and unreliable thing
btw i noticed that in his games as scum, NH plays lurking a lot and trying to draw as little attention as he can
i've never played with him town i guess, but from what i saw in stacking the deck, his townplay is much more proactive towards scumhunting and also more reckless
bmin wrote:
I would like to take the chance to lynch, despite reasons you have explained (which are valid). My reasons would be 1) It's one of our limited ways to actually kill a mafia and our opportunity to lynch shouldn't be wasted (we are being chased by time after all). 2) Lynch is arguably an uncontrollable factor for mafia. Yes, they can vote, but we have the majority. We shouldn't be playing scared. 3) We can't fully rely on night actions even though it's early in the game. It is highly speculated that the game is power madness, but at the same time, it is pretty clear that Jinxy tried his best to make a balance set up. Normally, a power madness results in townies getting too much info from night actions (hosts were slightly biased towards town most cases), so I'm afraid Jinxy may have done something about it and that makes me worried. Other reasons are solely based on possibility (mostly set up speculation), so I wouldn't put it as my reason, but I would be a lot more comfortable with taking the lynch opportunity rather then NL.
End of Day 1 Votecountvote: bmin
- O n i - (7) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter, Nyquill, rEdo, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - - O n i -
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
bmin11 (1) - Raging Bull
Choo choo
What I saw in his meta was something different.Sephibro wrote:
it was meGuyInFreezer wrote:
So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?
but i also said "meta" is a very volatile and unreliable thing
btw i noticed that in his games as scum, NH plays lurking a lot and trying to draw as little attention as he can
i've never played with him town i guess, but from what i saw in stacking the deck, his townplay is much more proactive towards scumhunting and also more reckless
As town, his reads are usually voluntary while as scum, he focuses more on asking about other's reads while giving almost none by himself.
Well what I explained latter is more like a universal scumtell than scum meta but oh well
L-3GuyInFreezer wrote:
vote: bmin
Choo choo
i hope he'll feel more involved in the discussion
Oh also while I was rereading, I think someone said that this is not tanz's first game.
Anyone link to his other games?
Anyone link to his other games?
I'm sorry, but I've got shitton of stuff to do at University right now + my main PC is broken. My activity will be minimal to none for one more day or two.
Note just to clear my head
Town: sephi, NH, farto, RB
Scum: bmin
Leaning scum: rEdo
Reset & pending reread/meta: DD, Tanz, nyquill
I'm missing someone
Who am I missing
Town: sephi, NH, farto, RB
Scum: bmin
Leaning scum: rEdo
Reset & pending reread/meta: DD, Tanz, nyquill
I'm missing someone
Who am I missing
Oh duh
I'm missing me >.<
I'm missing me >.<
i dont remember anyone saying that
btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc
btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc
I also played in touhou pyp IV, mystery mafia (ignore that one, i don't even know how i screwed myself this badly), Lucid Dreamers (don't remember much from that game) and information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).Sephibro wrote:
i dont remember anyone saying that
btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc
Oh great
I've been reading him as if he was a newbie
I've been reading him as if he was a newbie
my first forum mafia gameTanzklaue wrote:
information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).
i got in as a replacement on d3, i read 42 pages and fartownick nightkilled me on n3
now you know one of the reasons why i hate him
not a total newb.
still pretty newbie/bad though.
still pretty newbie/bad though.
I feel ya broSephibro wrote:
my first forum mafia gameTanzklaue wrote:
information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).
i got in as a replacement on d3, i read 42 pages and fartownick nightkilled me on n3
now you know one of the reasons why i hate him
Never catch up during the night phase.
btw tanz is my most solid scumread atm
gif = NH are right after
gif = NH are right after
it was my last game i had 5 months ago. i already lost interest and getting killed night 1 wasn't gonna fix that.Sephibro wrote:
my first forum mafia gameTanzklaue wrote:
information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).
i got in as a replacement on d3, i read 42 pages and fartownick nightkilled me on n3
now you know one of the reasons why i hate him
anyway, back to the game. gif, since when do you read farto town?
Since that long post
i mean, making long post that lazy ass players will ignore
Meh smokescreening takes too much effort to actually pull it off so it's rarely used anyway so as long as the long post doesn't contain a load of BS, it's mostly town.
oh btw now that you know tanz is not a newbie you can comment on thisSephibro wrote:
he never joined a wagon for the whole d1
he said that my idea of no lynch made sense, but also didn't vote for it
he didn't do much more than just complaining about my trashtalk and trying to instil the idea of a modkill on me
he comfortably hid behind the hider fakeclaim (lesser)
- iirc he said because he was very conservative with his vote. That needs a metacheck.
- can you link that post again?
- do you think that call for mk/rep is alignment indicative?
- didn't he out himself that he wasn't a hider?
- can you link that post again?
- do you think that call for mk/rep is alignment indicative?
- didn't he out himself that he wasn't a hider?
Like, if I'm going to scumread him, it's prob gonna be for different reason (like, if my memory serves correctly, Tanz was pulling the universal scumtell I said earlier. I prob need to take a note)
- what does being conservative with our own vote mean?
- p/2777761/ and p/2783551/
- isn't a modkill one of the best things ever for scum?
- he outed when i started making him questions
- p/2777761/ and p/2783551/
- isn't a modkill one of the best things ever for scum?
- he outed when i started making him questions
if i was scum i wouldn't have outed myself at all.Sephibro wrote:
- he outed when i started making him questions
and don't tell me fake towncred, not coming out would've been basically a 99% townpass (and also pretty dangerous for town).
*if i was scum.
Being conservative with votes: don't use votes very much and usually only vote for very strong scumreads.
maybe you just didn't want to risk the CC from the real hider (if there's any in this game)
outing that fakeclaim gave you even more towncred and put you in a more comfortable situation
that's why i asked you to claim your real role
outing that fakeclaim gave you even more towncred and put you in a more comfortable situation
that's why i asked you to claim your real role
i'll answer my question for you: it means trying not to draw too many attentions imoGuyInFreezer wrote:
Being conservative with votes: don't use votes very much and usually only vote for very strong scumreads.
if there was a real hider, he should've directly cc. since he can hide, it wouldn't even have been a 1 for 1 trade. so if there is a real hider, then he missplayed this situation i guess.Sephibro wrote:
maybe you just didn't want to risk the CC from the real hider (if there's any in this game)
outing that fakeclaim gave you even more towncred and put you in a more comfortable situation
that's why i asked you to claim your real role
I also won't claim my real role without good reason, since i still have faith that it has some purpose. purpose that might be lost if i claim.
not really, as yourself said, you never claimed hider directly - so there can't be a cc without a claimTanzklaue wrote:
if there was a real hider, he should've directly cc. since he can hide, it wouldn't even have been a 1 for 1 trade. so if there is a real hider, then he missplayed this situation i guess.
also it's the first time i play with hider and i just noticed that claiming hider is pretty uncomfortable because 1. it's not confirmable in any way and 2. scum will never attempt a nk on hider
if you don't understand point 2, i mean that it's easy for a scum who fakeclaims hider justify the fact that he didn't die at night and give towncred to his partners telling that he hid behind them
thus a policy lynch on hider claim could be worth, just as i think it would be on bomb and pgo claims for the same reason
btw i wish there were more than only 3 active people other than me so i would be sure that there's some town among the people i'm talking with
what makes you so sure that there is a hider in this game?Sephibro wrote:
not really, as yourself said, you never claimed hider directly - so there can't be a cc without a claimTanzklaue wrote:
if there was a real hider, he should've directly cc. since he can hide, it wouldn't even have been a 1 for 1 trade. so if there is a real hider, then he missplayed this situation i guess.
also it's the first time i play with hider and i just noticed that claiming hider is pretty uncomfortable because 1. it's not confirmable in any way and 2. scum will never attempt a nk on hider
if you don't understand point 2, i mean that it's easy for a scum who fakeclaims hider justify the fact that he didn't die at night and give towncred to his partners telling that he hid behind them
thus a policy lynch on hider claim could be worth, just as i think it would be on bomb and pgo claims for the same reason
also i fully understand point 2, but even then the confusion and time that a fake hider would create is worth more than eventual towncred from claiming this late.
im not sure at all, i'm just underlining that it wouldn't have been comfortable for you to stay under that hider claim for youTanzklaue wrote:
what makes you so sure that there is a hider in this game?
aka wifomTanzklaue wrote:
also i fully understand point 2, but even then the confusion and time that a fake hider would create is worth more than eventual towncred from claiming this late.
ok - help me make bmin11 feel more involved in the discussion thenTanzklaue wrote:
I also won't claim my real role without good reason, since i still have faith that it has some purpose. purpose that might be lost if i claim.
(read: vote him)well you drove yourself to wifom on this one.
if i was scum, i would've stood hidden behind the claim. especially since i would've partners, i could've played the role of hider straight.
if i was scum, i would've stood hidden behind the claim. especially since i would've partners, i could've played the role of hider straight.
hm, i don't know if that will make him talk. I have the oni kind of feel that he isn't really involved at all in this.Sephibro wrote:
ok - help me make bmin11 feel more involved in the discussion thenTanzklaue wrote:
I also won't claim my real role without good reason, since i still have faith that it has some purpose. purpose that might be lost if i claim.
anyway, we need to progress this further than "gif and sephi discuss tanz for 3 days", so
Vote: bmin11
i already said why it wouldn't have been comfortable for youTanzklaue wrote:
if i was scum, i would've stood hidden behind the claim. especially since i would've partners, i could've played the role of hider straight.
you didn't know if there was a hider in this game or not
and
p/2789350
don't make me repeat myself, i hate it
I still think that it's a risk worth taking as scum, at least if it gets served on a silver platter like this. (i would never claim hider out of the blue, because that's actually stupid if you're town, thus stupid as scum, for exact the reasonsyou mentioned).
also, what does anyone else think of this discussion (@RB, farto, redo, bmin, nyquill, dd, whoever i forgot).
also, what does anyone else think of this discussion (@RB, farto, redo, bmin, nyquill, dd, whoever i forgot).
i think PRODDDDDDDDDDDDDDS
and good night, i've done enough for today
and good night, i've done enough for today
Everyone who has not posted in the past 24 hours (Nyquill, rEdo, and DakeDekaane) has been prodded.
Vote Count 2.3
bmin11 (4) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 2 days (roughly).
bmin11 (4) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Deadline is in 2 days (roughly).
Normally i think its town indicative for long posts, whywould scum even put much effort into those posts? Scum probably wont get involved unless it is directly.
Also sorry at work but ill still post when time permits. And does bmin play like this? Its a long time since i played a game with him.
Also sorry at work but ill still post when time permits. And does bmin play like this? Its a long time since i played a game with him.
What was the vote onsephi again rEdo?
Topic Starter
for the ISO
Vote Count 2.3
bmin11 (4) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.
Deadline is in 2 days.
Vote Count 2.3
bmin11 (4) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.
Deadline is in 2 days.
tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.
Well, I don't have much to say other then my reason to vote rEdo for today.
DakeDekaane wrote:
tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.
if he has a stronger role, won't Tanz want to hide behind hider claim so mafia cant even shoot him?
i give you a suggestionbmin11 wrote:
Well, I don't have much to say other then my reason to vote rEdo for today.
claim your character and abilities
My character and ability will not add anything to the discussion at the moment. I guarantee it.
He could have been weighting it with the side effect he was talking about, like misleading information and such.Raging Bull wrote:
DakeDekaane wrote:
tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.
if he has a stronger role, won't Tanz want to hide behind hider claim so mafia cant even shoot him?
as town, lying for too long would be dangerous, especially since i got asked out by sephi who i hid behind. if i said any name, this person would've been cleared as town.Raging Bull wrote:
DakeDekaane wrote:
tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.
if he has a stronger role, won't Tanz want to hide behind hider claim so mafia cant even shoot him?
which i don't need to say can be very very bad.
Prod dodge, got extremely busy with something sudden. Willing to reread when I find a free moment.
bmin is too indifferent considering he's the leading wagon...
we don't have so much time so the sooner you do the better it is
So do you currently think Tanz is hiding behind the claim of hider earlier and possibly scum?Sephibro wrote:
not so easily:Tanzklaue wrote:
if i said any name, this person would've been cleared as town.Sephibro wrote:
p/2789350
don't make me repeat myself, i hate it
i've said all my opinions on tanz in the previous pagesSephibro wrote:
don't make me repeat myself, i hate it
Tanzklaue wrote:
also, what does anyone else think of this discussion (@RB, farto, redo, bmin, nyquill, dd, whoever i forgot).
Didn't notice.
Sephi seems to be tunnelling you, but I saw good intention of you coming out of the fake claim the moment he asked who you target. Personally I think if scum were to fake claim hider, they would have followed through till the end since it is almost impossible to tell unless you get scanned.
it's funny how discussion died down when i, sephi and gif stopped being massively actuive (especially gif and sephi to be specific).
seems like between 5 months ago and now massive lurking got the new uber-meta. seriously, where is everyone? why does nobody have anything to say? there was a lot of stuff talked about last night.
even something simple as discussing reads would be helpful. if nobody talks then scum wins automatically.
seems like between 5 months ago and now massive lurking got the new uber-meta. seriously, where is everyone? why does nobody have anything to say? there was a lot of stuff talked about last night.
even something simple as discussing reads would be helpful. if nobody talks then scum wins automatically.
Pretty much. For some reason the activity on the forum is stalling again.
I guess it's probably because of the plurality lynch/role madness.
Anyway, I'm waiting for bmin's responses.
I guess it's probably because of the plurality lynch/role madness.
Anyway, I'm waiting for bmin's responses.
don't wait for things that won't happen. it's better to get any discussion going at this point.NoHitter wrote:
Pretty much. For some reason the activity on the forum is stalling again.
I guess it's probably because of the plurality lynch/role madness.
Anyway, I'm waiting for bmin's responses.
just sayin': a guy who doesn't post because he "doesn't want to disrupt the discussion" when there is almost none is not really convincing.
Which is why my vote is on him.
Also the lack of interest is very awful, I'll hammer him/put a vote there, I'm developing a mania with hammers.
don't hammer him, that doesn't help us either.DakeDekaane wrote:
Also the lack of interest is very awful, I'll hammer him/put a vote there, I'm developing a mania with hammers.
I don't like this plurality thing, and imo, if we don't lynch properly scum basically will let us make all the mislynches.
Whatever.
Vote: bmin
L-1
Whatever.
Vote: bmin
L-1
Ok guys, I'm okay with actually hammering bmin. I still think that 2 scum are in the wagon of oni, but there's no way all 3 of them were on it. I can easily judge that either RB or bmin are scum as they're the only ones alive outside the wagon besides me, and by PoE bmin is more likely to be scum than RB.
Up to hammer in 24h~, if you have anything against/anything to add/bmin has anything to say, feel free to go.
Up to hammer in 24h~, if you have anything against/anything to add/bmin has anything to say, feel free to go.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 2.4
bmin11 (5) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.
Deadline is in 1 day.
bmin11 (5) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.
Deadline is in 1 day.
?Tanzklaue wrote:
don't hammer him, that doesn't help us either.DakeDekaane wrote:
Also the lack of interest is very awful, I'll hammer him/put a vote there, I'm developing a mania with hammers.
bmin11 wrote:
NoHitter wrote:
Vote: bmin
His "I don't want to interrupt discussions" and that pointless question struck me odd as I was skimming through the thread.As I said, I'm not going to interrupt discussions even if it's on the barge of going out of hand, despite my hatred for it. I'll have to admit that those could be used for future reads, so I have no intentions of stopping people from gathering info.bmin11 wrote:
Well, first of, I wish you guys to keep in mind that this is just a game through communication. I would not like to have another game like Dota Mafia nor 111111 mafia. I won't be disrupting discussions just to prevent that, but I hope you guys would know where to draw the line and how not to cross it.
My question was for my Oni's case. I guess it may have not helped getting rid of the WIFOM, but I wanted to see if there was a possible explanation on his lack of defense (or lack of panic posts).
I'll claim my role after reading your responses to my answers I have provided.bmin11 wrote:
Interfering =/= participating
My interfering is going to be like "both of you guys stfu", which I won't do that. Ofcourse I would join the discussion if I had anything to add on to the topic. Hell, I made a comment on most stuff even with a single post at least.
Anyway, here is my vote for rEdo as I said before vote: rEdo
I guess people don't comment on it because there's nothing to comment on.
I would only add that if you don't want to participate in discussions you should start some of your own.
I would only add that if you don't want to participate in discussions you should start some of your own.
I never said I don't want to participate
bmin11 wrote:
Interfering =/= participating
Yeah... maybe you want to participate, but wanting doesn't make you actually doing that thing.
So, at the end, you guys are lynching an inactive over a wagon hopper?
You're inactive, as you said so, because you don't want to 'interfere' discussions, yet you don't also create any of your own. My vote on you is by PoE and it actually makes a lot of sense since in my judgment there's at least 1 scum outside the wagon and the only possible ones are you and RB, so it's 50% chance to lynch scum from that pool.
I was inactive, because I didn't had anything else to add to the discussion, not that I didn't want to 'participate' (yet you still don't get the difference between interfere and participate).
I feel like I'm just repeating myself. Can you please break the loop?
I feel like I'm just repeating myself. Can you please break the loop?
Wow, sorry for not voting bmin. Why the hell are you so sure he's scum? And the only ones that are not in the wagon are not just me and bmin, please read.
Topic Starter
Jinxy wrote:
Vote Count 2.4.5
bmin11 (5) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull
Not Voting: Nyquill, bmin11
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.
Deadline is in 12 hours.
But I'm not voting you for being inactive.bmin11 wrote:
So, at the end, you guys are lynching an inactive over a wagon hopper?