Sephibro wrote:

if nh's scum im very sorry for him - he was scum in higurashi, multiball and vgc
it is true that the way he's playing fits his "scum meta" but relying on meta is shit
actually i think he was scum in every game i've played with him

bmin11 wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

Well, first of, I wish you guys to keep in mind that this is just a game through communication. I would not like to have another game like Dota Mafia nor 111111 mafia. I won't be disrupting discussions just to prevent that, but I hope you guys would know where to draw the line and how not to cross it.

As I said, I'm not going to interrupt discussions even if it's on the barge of going out of hand, despite my hatred for it. I'll have to admit that those could be used for future reads, so I have no intentions of stopping people from gathering info.

Sephibro wrote:

uhm now i have in mind a scenario where you are scum and one among NH and Nyquill is a scumpartner of yours

GuyInFreezer wrote:

For a minute, put yourself in a situation where I got nightkilled and flipped town.
If then, who are the scums?

GIF wrote:

Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.

DakeDekaane wrote:

GIF wrote:

Nyquill - I liked his "if we're lynching, it better be a full wagon" thing.

tbh I don't understand how did you give this a townread.

bmin11 wrote:

Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.

NoHitter wrote:

For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?

Tanzklaue wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

Now that I think about it, I don't quite understand why Tanz didn't sit behind his fake claim. Since the Tracker is gone, I could only imagine how abusive it could have been.

it would have given false (or unsecure) information to town, especially if i had died and then everyone found out that i'm not a hider. staying behind fakeclaims for any amount of time is pretty scummy, though in my case if all had worked out perfectly for me it would've been perfect to live through night 1 and give some real information on day 2.

Sephibro wrote:

so what's your actual role?

NoHitter wrote:

For the record GiF, wasn't Sephi the first one to day "if we're going to lynch, make it a full wagon", and NOT Nyquill?

Sephibro wrote:

Tanz: why didn't you vote anyone for the whole d1?

Sephibro wrote:

also gif are you going v/la without posting any content before?
you didn't even comment the tanz case

is this for convenience?

what do you think bmin11?

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Also I saw you wanting to talk to bmin about it, so I'm not responding to it for now.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?

bmin wrote:

I would like to take the chance to lynch, despite reasons you have explained (which are valid). My reasons would be 1) It's one of our limited ways to actually kill a mafia and our opportunity to lynch shouldn't be wasted (we are being chased by time after all). 2) Lynch is arguably an uncontrollable factor for mafia. Yes, they can vote, but we have the majority. We shouldn't be playing scared. 3) We can't fully rely on night actions even though it's early in the game. It is highly speculated that the game is power madness, but at the same time, it is pretty clear that Jinxy tried his best to make a balance set up. Normally, a power madness results in townies getting too much info from night actions (hosts were slightly biased towards town most cases), so I'm afraid Jinxy may have done something about it and that makes me worried. Other reasons are solely based on possibility (mostly set up speculation), so I wouldn't put it as my reason, but I would be a lot more comfortable with taking the lynch opportunity rather then NL.

End of Day 1 Votecount
- O n i - (7) - GuyInFreezer, pieguy1372, NoHitter, Nyquill, rEdo, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
Sephibro (1) - - O n i -
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
bmin11 (1) - Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

So whoever said NH was playing his scum meta, explain pls?

it was me
but i also said "meta" is a very volatile and unreliable thing

btw i noticed that in his games as scum, NH plays lurking a lot and trying to draw as little attention as he can
i've never played with him town i guess, but from what i saw in stacking the deck, his townplay is much more proactive towards scumhunting and also more reckless

GuyInFreezer wrote:

vote: bmin

Choo choo

Sephibro wrote:

i dont remember anyone saying that

btw he's active on unusual mechanics and he played in stacking the deck iirc

Tanzklaue wrote:

information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).

my first forum mafia game
i got in as a replacement on d3, i read 42 pages and fartownick nightkilled me on n3
now you know one of the reasons why i hate him

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

information mafia (died night 1, so yeah).

my first forum mafia game
i got in as a replacement on d3, i read 42 pages and fartownick nightkilled me on n3
now you know one of the reasons why i hate him

Sephibro wrote:

he never joined a wagon for the whole d1
he said that my idea of no lynch made sense, but also didn't vote for it
he didn't do much more than just complaining about my trashtalk and trying to instil the idea of a modkill on me
he comfortably hid behind the hider fakeclaim (lesser)

Sephibro wrote:

- he outed when i started making him questions

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Being conservative with votes: don't use votes very much and usually only vote for very strong scumreads.

Sephibro wrote:

maybe you just didn't want to risk the CC from the real hider (if there's any in this game)
outing that fakeclaim gave you even more towncred and put you in a more comfortable situation

that's why i asked you to claim your real role

Tanzklaue wrote:

if there was a real hider, he should've directly cc. since he can hide, it wouldn't even have been a 1 for 1 trade. so if there is a real hider, then he missplayed this situation i guess.

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

if there was a real hider, he should've directly cc. since he can hide, it wouldn't even have been a 1 for 1 trade. so if there is a real hider, then he missplayed this situation i guess.

not really, as yourself said, you never claimed hider directly - so there can't be a cc without a claim
also it's the first time i play with hider and i just noticed that claiming hider is pretty uncomfortable because 1. it's not confirmable in any way and 2. scum will never attempt a nk on hider

if you don't understand point 2, i mean that it's easy for a scum who fakeclaims hider justify the fact that he didn't die at night and give towncred to his partners telling that he hid behind them

thus a policy lynch on hider claim could be worth, just as i think it would be on bomb and pgo claims for the same reason

Tanzklaue wrote:

what makes you so sure that there is a hider in this game?

Tanzklaue wrote:

also i fully understand point 2, but even then the confusion and time that a fake hider would create is worth more than eventual towncred from claiming this late.

Tanzklaue wrote:

I also won't claim my real role without good reason, since i still have faith that it has some purpose. purpose that might be lost if i claim.

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

I also won't claim my real role without good reason, since i still have faith that it has some purpose. purpose that might be lost if i claim.

ok - help me make bmin11 feel more involved in the discussion then (read: vote him)

Tanzklaue wrote:

if i was scum, i would've stood hidden behind the claim. especially since i would've partners, i could've played the role of hider straight.

DakeDekaane wrote:

tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.

bmin11 wrote:

Well, I don't have much to say other then my reason to vote rEdo for today.

Raging Bull wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.

if he has a stronger role, won't Tanz want to hide behind hider claim so mafia cant even shoot him?

Raging Bull wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

tbh I don't see Tanz that scummy after saying he wasn't a hider, in fact it was a smart move if he has a stronger role, that's why I don't feel to comfy about Sephi asking his exact role.

if he has a stronger role, won't Tanz want to hide behind hider claim so mafia cant even shoot him?

Tanzklaue wrote:

if i said any name, this person would've been cleared as town.

Sephibro wrote:

p/2789350

don't make me repeat myself, i hate it

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

if i said any name, this person would've been cleared as town.

not so easily:

Sephibro wrote:

p/2789350

don't make me repeat myself, i hate it

Sephibro wrote:

don't make me repeat myself, i hate it

Tanzklaue wrote:

also, what does anyone else think of this discussion (@RB, farto, redo, bmin, nyquill, dd, whoever i forgot).

NoHitter wrote:

Pretty much. For some reason the activity on the forum is stalling again.
I guess it's probably because of the plurality lynch/role madness.

Anyway, I'm waiting for bmin's responses.