Loctav wrote:

How is that relevant? Hitsounds work the same on all modes. Just that you don't place notes on one layer in mania, but on multiple?

Loctav wrote:

Standard mode can not make own rhythm? They need to follow the song as much as mania needs to.
It doesn't include any other rhythm, it follows or enhances the original rhythm.
What you say is simply not true.

Loctav wrote:

This is still no reason to not put any hitsounds at all. You are supposed to assign a rhythmical label to the notes and mark them as in what they follow.
The ranking criteria in this game are settled like that, and according to peppy this is not about to change.
Any discussion is pointless here, since this map and every map without hitsounds like this, how much you like or dislike it, is basically unrankable and will remain as such without the basic usage of hitsounds.

This should've been enforced from the very beginning.

@Spy I mapped for official O2jam, so yes, I know osu!mania, lol

Loctav wrote:

This is still no reason to not put any hitsounds at all. You are supposed to assign a rhythmical label to the notes and mark them as in what they follow.
The ranking criteria in this game are settled like that, and according to peppy this is not about to change.
Any discussion is pointless here, since this map and every map without hitsounds like this, how much you like or dislike it, is basically unrankable and will remain as such without the basic usage of hitsounds.

This should've been enforced from the very beginning.

Roxas wrote:

First of all: Some of those things I say are suggestions, you can fix them or not, the choice is yours

[General]
Your BG is 1228x767, I suggest you to change it in 1024x768 (I tried to find for 1366x768 but I didn't find it - use this image as BG
You must add hitsounds. About this, the hs pack (clap, kick, snare, hat) is here. Tell me if you need help to hitsounding :p

[4K The Dream]
00:04:655 (4655|0) - I'd delete this, like you do in the other patterns like this, and 00:04:482 (4482|0) - move 3 this
01:37:758 (97758|0) - End this in 01:38:275 -
01:41:724 - Add note in 2
01:43:103 - Add note in 3
03:27:068 (207068|1,208448|2) - I suggest to delete them and 03:27:931 (207931|1) - move right and 03:29:310 (209310|2) - move left, and if you want 03:29:655 (209655|1) - move in 4
03:42:586 (222586|2,223275|2) - Delete them, it feels better
03:45:689 (225689|2) - Delete this and 03:45:344 (225344|0) - end this in 03:45:862 -
03:48:534 (228534|2) - Delete
03:50:172 (230172|1) - End this in 03:50:689 - and 03:50:862 (230862|0) - this in 03:51:379 -
04:26:724 - I would add a note here in 3 and 04:26:896 (266896|3) - delete this

[7K The Bed]

00:05:344 (5344|3) - I'd delete this and 00:05:172 (5172|3) - move this right
00:08:103 (8103|2) - I'd delete this and 00:07:931 (7931|1) - move this right (lol the same)
00:10:862 (10862|0) - Delete this and 00:10:344 (10344|0,10517|0,10689|0) - change this, this "jack" is a bit hard for normal
00:34:137 (34137|3) - Move in 00:33:965 -
00:41:379 - Add note in 4
00:58:965 (58965|3) - This should end in 00:59:827 -
01:29:137 - Do like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1138097
01:31:896 - This part is too hard... Follow vocals OR follow kicks (or at least follow vocals + note in white tick)
01:33:965 (93965|0,94310|1) - Delete them
01:35:517 (95517|4) - Move 4 and 01:35:689 (95689|4) - move 3
01:37:413 (97413|1,97586|5,98275|3,98965|5) - Change in normal notes
01:48:620 (108620|6,108793|5,109310|1) - Delete them
03:18:620 (198620|5,199137|5,200000|0) - ^
03:47:758 (227758|1,227931|1,228103|1) - Move 3 4 5
04:12:758 (252758|2) - Delete

[5K The House]
00:33:103 - Add note
01:07:672 (67672|0,67758|2,67844|4) - I would remove those notes
01:41:810 (101810|0,101982|1) - I would delete those notes too
01:48:793 (108793|0) - Delete
01:50:862 - Something like this? It looks better and easier for me http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142737
02:02:586 (122586|1,122672|3,122758|1) - Remove these
02:13:793 - I would do like this, avoiding a long stream http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142747
02:24:827 (144827|3) - Remove
02:41:379 (161379|1) - If you are following the lead instrument, delete this
03:19:568 (199568|1) - Move right
03:21:724 - In this part, do like you made in 01:08:965 - this part (I mean 7 notes 1/2 snap and a "pause", if you know what I mean. At least do this where you use holds too)
04:15:000 (255000|0,255086|4,255172|0) - Delete
04:25:517 - The stream should start here
04:27:758 - I would remove the notes in this part and I'd keep only the holds (until 04:32:931 - )

[6K The Street]
00:41:379 - In this part notes snapping is this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142776
01:27:586 - Add note
01:32:068 - Add LN in 7 until 01:32:241 - ?
01:36:379 - Add note
01:50:431 (110431|1,110689|1) - Delete
01:59:137 - Do like this? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1144052
02:07:758 (127758|2,127758|3) - Delete and add note in 5?
02:08:103 (128103|3,128103|2) - Those should end 02:09:655 - here
02:54:741 (174741|0,175431|5,176120|3,176120|1) - Delete them
03:31:379 (211379|3,211379|2,212068|2,212068|3,212413|3,212413|0) - Move in 2 and 6
03:45:603 (225603|2) - Delete
03:48:362 (228362|4) - ^
03:49:741 (229741|5) - ^
03:51:120 (231120|1) - ^
03:52:500 (232500|4) - ^
03:55:258 (235258|2,236637|2,238017|4,239396|4) - Delete them too xD
04:25:517 - The stream should start here

[7K The Island]
00:32:931 (32931|6) - Move left and 00:33:103 (33103|4) - move 7
00:41:379 - In this part notes snapping is this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142776
00:52:758 - Add note in 1 or 00:52:758 (52758|6) - delete this
01:52:155 - Add note in 4
02:54:741 (174741|1,175431|4,176120|1) - Delete them
02:56:379 - Add note
04:25:517 - The stream should start here

Call me back when fixed

And, about the hitsounds, as Loctav said this thread isn't the right place to talk about this

Spy wrote:

Standard mode can make own rhythm,osu!mania is not.
So when standard map used hitsound,at least,it including other rhythm,not original rhythm.
osu!mania is play original rhythm,why it need hitsound in every map ?

Loctav wrote:

Standard mode can not make own rhythm? They need to follow the song as much as mania needs to.
It doesn't include any other rhythm, it follows or enhances the original rhythm.
What you say is simply not true.

Roxas wrote:

First of all: Some of those things I say are suggestions, you can fix them or not, the choice is yours

[General]
Your BG is 1228x767, I suggest you to change it in 1024x768 (I tried to find for 1366x768 but I didn't find it - use this image as BG
You must add hitsounds. About this, the hs pack (clap, kick, snare, hat) is here. Tell me if you need help to hitsounding :p Fixed, and thanks so much ^^.

[4K The Dream]
00:04:655 (4655|0) - I'd delete this, like you do in the other patterns like this, and 00:04:482 (4482|0) - move 3 this
01:37:758 (97758|0) - End this in 01:38:275 -
01:41:724 - Add note in 2
01:43:103 - Add note in 3
03:27:068 (207068|1,208448|2) - I suggest to delete them and 03:27:931 (207931|1) - move right and 03:29:310 (209310|2) - move left, and if you want 03:29:655 (209655|1) - move in 4 ALL FIXED
03:42:586 (222586|2,223275|2) - Delete them, it feels better
03:45:689 (225689|2) - Delete this and 03:45:344 (225344|0) - end this in 03:45:862 -
03:48:534 (228534|2) - Delete
03:50:172 (230172|1) - End this in 03:50:689 - and 03:50:862 (230862|0) - this in 03:51:379 -
04:26:724 - I would add a note here in 3 and 04:26:896 (266896|3) - delete this

[7K The Bed]

00:05:344 (5344|3) - I'd delete this and 00:05:172 (5172|3) - move this right
00:08:103 (8103|2) - I'd delete this and 00:07:931 (7931|1) - move this right (lol the same)
00:10:862 (10862|0) - Delete this and 00:10:344 (10344|0,10517|0,10689|0) - change this, this "jack" is a bit hard for normal
00:34:137 (34137|3) - Move in 00:33:965 -
00:41:379 - Add note in 4
00:58:965 (58965|3) - This should end in 00:59:827 -
01:29:137 - Do like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1138097 ALLFIXED
01:31:896 - This part is too hard... Follow vocals OR follow kicks (or at least follow vocals + note in white tick)
01:33:965 (93965|0,94310|1) - Delete them
01:35:517 (95517|4) - Move 4 and 01:35:689 (95689|4) - move 3
01:37:413 (97413|1,97586|5,98275|3,98965|5) - Change in normal notes
01:48:620 (108620|6,108793|5,109310|1) - Delete them
03:18:620 (198620|5,199137|5,200000|0) - ^
03:47:758 (227758|1,227931|1,228103|1) - Move 3 4 5
04:12:758 (252758|2) - Delete

[5K The House]
00:33:103 - Add note fixed
01:07:672 (67672|0,67758|2,67844|4) - I would remove those notes fixed
01:41:810 (101810|0,101982|1) - I would delete those notes too Is not necessary
01:48:793 (108793|0) - Delete fixed
01:50:862 - Something like this? It looks better and easier for me http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142737 fixed
02:02:586 (122586|1,122672|3,122758|1) - Remove these fixed
02:13:793 - I would do like this, avoiding a long stream http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142747 fixed
02:24:827 (144827|3) - Remove fixed
02:41:379 (161379|1) - If you are following the lead instrument, delete this fixed
03:19:568 (199568|1) - Move right fixed
03:21:724 - In this part, do like you made in 01:08:965 - this part (I mean 7 notes 1/2 snap and a "pause", if you know what I mean. At least do this where you use holds too) fixed
04:15:000 (255000|0,255086|4,255172|0) - Delete fixed
04:25:517 - The stream should start here fixed
04:27:758 - I would remove the notes in this part and I'd keep only the holds (until 04:32:931 - ) fixed

[6K The Street]
00:41:379 - In this part notes snapping is this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142776 i don´t want T.T
01:27:586 - Add note fixed
01:32:068 - Add LN in 7 until 01:32:241 - ? fixeee.... wait, 7!!? XD
01:36:379 - Add note fixed
01:50:431 (110431|1,110689|1) - Delete fixed
01:59:137 - Do like this? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1144052 yea ^^
02:07:758 (127758|2,127758|3) - Delete and add note in 5? very strange here
02:08:103 (128103|3,128103|2) - Those should end 02:09:655 - here fixed
02:54:741 (174741|0,175431|5,176120|3,176120|1) - Delete them i don´t want T.T
03:31:379 (211379|3,211379|2,212068|2,212068|3,212413|3,212413|0) - Move in 2 and 6 umm, semi-fixed
03:45:603 (225603|2) - Delete fixed
03:48:362 (228362|4) - ^ fixed
03:49:741 (229741|5) - ^ fixed
03:51:120 (231120|1) - ^ fixed
03:52:500 (232500|4) - ^ fixed
03:55:258 (235258|2,236637|2,238017|4,239396|4) - Delete them too xD here i don´t want T_T
04:25:517 - The stream should start here fixed

[7K The Island]
00:32:931 (32931|6) - Move left and 00:33:103 (33103|4) - move 7 "move 7" no
00:41:379 - In this part notes snapping is this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1142776 i don´t want T.T
00:52:758 - Add note in 1 or 00:52:758 (52758|6) - delete this Semi-fixed
01:52:155 - Add note in 4 Here i can´t hear sound
02:54:741 (174741|1,175431|4,176120|1) - Delete them ._.?
02:56:379 - Add note Here i can´t hear sound
04:25:517 - The stream should start here In this diff is not necessary ^^

Call me back when fixed

And, about the hitsounds, as Loctav said this thread isn't the right place to talk about this

indyinyou wrote:

try add cymbol drum sound here http://puu.sh/5DxpR

[4K THE DREAM]

use (ait+L click on note to add it http://puu.sh/5Dxwk ) , kick = drum-hitfinish , snare = drum-hitclap

you can use this mod for all diff

00:02:758 : cymbol
00:08:275 : ^
00:13:793 : ^
00:16:551 : ^
00:19:310 : ^
00:21:379 : ^ cymbol and remove clap
00:22:068 : cymbol remove whistle
00:24:827 : drum-hitfinish (kick sound
00:35:862 : cymbol
00:41:379 : drum-hitfinish
00:41:724 : ^
00:42:068 : ^
00:42:413 : ^
00:42:758 : ^
00:43:103 : ^
00:43:448 : ^
00:43:448 : ^
00:43:793 : ^
00:44:137 : ^
00:44:310 : ^
00:44:482 : ^
00:44:827 : ^
00:45:000 : ^
00:45:172 : ^
00:45:517 : ^
00:45:689 : ^
00:45:862 : ^
00:46:206 : ^
00:46:379 : ^
00:46:896 : cymbol + drum-hitfinish
00:48:275 : kick
00:49:655 : ^
00:50:000 : snare
00:50:689 : ^
00:51:379 : ^
00:52:413 : kick
00:53:793 : ^
00:54:827 : snare
00:55:172 : kick
00:56:206 : snare
00:57:931 : cymbol on 4
00:59:655 : snare
01:00:172 : kick
01:00:344 : snare
01:05:862 : ^
01:07:241 : ^
01:08:103 : cymbol
01:08:448 : ^
01:08:620 : ^
01:08:965 : cymbol + kick
01:10:344 : kick
01:11:724 : ^
01:13:103 : ^
01:13:448 : snare
01:14:482 : kick
01:15:344 : ^
01:17:241 : ^
01:18:103 : ^
01:18:965 : snare
01:19:655 : ^
01:20:000 : kick
01:20:862 : ^
01:21:379 : ^
01:22:241 : ^
01:22:758 : ^
01:23:620 : ^
01:24:137 : ^
01:25:000 : ^
01:25:517 : ^
01:26:379 : ^
01:28:275 : ^
01:35:172 : ^
01:37:413 : ^
01:42:068 : cymbol + kick
01:43:103 : snare
01:53:103 : cymbol + kick
01:53:965 : kick
01:54:137 : snare
01:54:482 : kick
01:55:344 : ^
01:55:517 : snare
01:55:862 : kick
01:56:896 : snare
01:58:620 : kick
01:59:482 : ^
01:59:655 : snare
02:00:000 : kick
02:00:344 : snare
02:00:862 : kick
02:01:034 : snare
02:03:103 : ^
02:03:620 : kick
02:04:137 : cymbol + kick
02:04:482 : snare
02:05:000 : kick
02:05:172 : snare
02:09:655 : kick
02:10:000 : snare
02:10:517 : kick
02:10:689 : snare
02:14:655 : cymbol
02:14:827 : ^
02:15:172 : ^
02:26:206 : ^
02:31:724 : ^
02:53:793 : kick
02:54:137 : ^
02:54:482 : ^
02:54:827 : ^
02:55:172 : ^
02:55:517 : ^
02:55:862 : ^
02:56:206 : ^
02:56:551 : ^
02:56:724 : ^
02:56:896 : ^
02:57:068 : ^
02:57:241 : ^
02:57:413 : ^
02:57:586 : ^
02:57:758 : ^
02:58:965 : ^
02:59:310 : cymbol + kick
03:00:172 : kick
03:00:344 : snare
03:01:551 : kick
03:01:724 : snare
03:02:068 : kick
03:03:103 : snare
03:03:448 : kick
03:04:827 : ^
03:05:689 : ^
03:05:862 : snare
03:06:206 : kick
03:07:068 : kick
03:07:586 : kick
03:10:344 : cymbol + kick
03:12:758 : snare
03:13:103 : kick
03:14:137 : snare
03:15:862 : kick
03:17:241 : ^
03:19:482 : kick
03:20:000 : cymbol + kick
03:21:724 : cymbol + snare
03:22:241 : kick
03:22:758 : ^
03:23:706 : ^
03:24:137 : ^
03:25:000 : ^
03:25:517 : ^
03:26:379 : ^
03:26:896 : ^
03:27:758 : ^
03:28:275 : ^
03:29:137 : ^
03:29:310 : snare
03:29:655 : kick
03:32:068 : snare
03:32:413 : kick
03:33:275 : ^
03:33:793 : ^
03:34:655 : ^
03:34:827 : snare
03:35:172 : kick
03:36:034 : ^
03:36:551 : ^
03:37:413 : ^
03:37:931 : ^
03:38:793 : ^
03:39:310 : ^
03:40:172 : ^
03:42:068 : ^
03:52:586 : ^
03:56:206 : snare
03:57:586 : ^
03:58:103 : kick
04:04:827 : cymbol + kick
04:05:172 : ^
04:05:517 : ^
-------------------------

04:05:862 : snare
04:06:379 : kick
04:06:551 : snare
04:06:896 : kick
04:07:758 : ^
04:11:034 : ^
04:12:413 : ^
04:13:793 : ^
04:14:137 : snare
04:14:827 : ^
04:16:034 : kick
04:16:551 : cymbol + kick
04:17:931 : kick
04:19:310 : ^
04:20:689 : ^
04:22:413 : snare
04:23:103 : ^
04:23:448 : kick
04:24:827 : kick
04:27:931 : snare
04:28:620 : ^
04:29:310 : ^
04:30:000 : ^
04:30:344 : kick
04:30:689 : snare
04:31:379 : ^
04:31:724 : kick
04:32:068 : snare
04:32:758 : ^
04:33:103 : kick
04:33:448 : snare
04:34:137 : ^
04:34:482 : kick
04:34:827 : snare
04:35:517 : ^
04:35:862 : kick
04:36:206 : snare
04:36:896 : ^
04:38:620 : cymbol + kick
04:38:965 : snare
04:39:655 : ^
04:40:000 : kick
04:40:344 : snare
04:41:034 : ^
04:41:379 : kick
04:41:724 : snare
04:42:413: ^
04:42:758 : kick
04:43:103 : snare
04:43:793 : ^
04:47:068 : kick
04:49:655 : cymbol + kick

it up to you to chage it or not

Roxas wrote:

Here some suggestions for hitsounds
With my earphones it seems that hs have too low volume... Don't change it for now, I'll ask other's opinion

[7K The Island] ALL FIXED
00:57:931 - Add whistle here
02:04:482 - why no hitsounds here? o.o put them
02:10:000 - ^
04:22:413 - ^
04:27:931 - ^ keep using claps for rythm D: until ~ 04:44:137 -

[6K The Street] ALL FIXED
00:57:931 - Add whistle/whistles here
01:18:965 - Why you use 3 notes with finish when in 7K Island you use only 2? Fix here or fix in Island xD
02:04:482 - As before, why no hs here?
02:10:000 - ^
04:22:413 - ^
04:27:931 - ^ keep using claps for rythm D: until ~ 04:44:137 - (as I said before)

Fix those things in other diffs too since there are the same errors xD

Loctav wrote:

[General]

According to the new diff-naming rule, that has been settled by peppy, I might question the names of your difficulties, since they don't clearly indicate the difficult-grade.
Bed, Dream, House, Street and Island are no items that can be ordinally sorted into a "senseful" order with common sense. The star rating might indicate the difficulty, but we all know how much the star rating sucks, so.
Even if it might destroy the ideas you had with naming your diffs, please rename them to something that actually indicates what's the Easy, Normal, Hard or Insane.
e.g.:
4K Easy
7k Normal
5k Normal
6k Hard
7k Insane

or replace Easy, Normal. Hard, Insane with terms that are logically sortable in a hierachical/ordinally scale, e.g. "Standing, Walking, Running, Sprinting" or "Frozen, Cold, Warm, Hot, Melting" or anything comparable (the examples are random and not related to the map). But for now, the terms can not be sorted in a logical order, because they are not comparable. Therefore they don't suit as new difficulty name according to the new rules and must be changed. Sorry.

[Hitsounds]

03:40:344 (220344|6,220344|0,220344|2) - whistle instead? pars up wit the previous rhythm.
03:42:413 (222413|0,222413|1,222413|2) - remove whistle. put claps instead
04:16:206 (256206|0,256206|2) - whistles instead
04:16:551 (256551|4,256551|2) - finishes instead?
04:23:103 (263103|3) - clap? ._.?
04:49:655 (289655|2,289655|3,289655|4) - I would use the finish of the custom sampleset here.

[7k The Island]

00:46:379 (46379|6) - 7? Plays better to put this on the right hand

Roxas wrote:

Last things for hitsounds. I will correct only the inconsistency between the diffs

[7K The Island - Insane]
04:16:206 - You have a clap here, only in this diff, remove Fixed
04:26:637 - 04:26:810 - 04:26:982 - 04:27:155 - In 6K The Street here you have finish... Just saying, if this is intentional it's okay yes, is intentional.

Roxas wrote:

Let's go!

Loctav wrote:

@Spy I mapped for official O2jam, so yes, I know osu!mania, lol

xxbidiao wrote:

Loctav wrote:

@Spy I mapped for official O2jam, so yes, I know osu!mania, lol

I highly doubt on this due to your continuous conceptual confusion on what hitsound is.

Spy wrote:

I guess he'll lock the post.