Justykanna wrote:

maal wrote:

all i can say is your mmr is pretty close, thats why you get match like that ^^

Alrighty.
Thanks for your help! =)

If you duoqueue you get matched with/vs slightly stronger other players to balance the advance you have from duoqueueing. This explains why you have lower mmr than all the other players and are placed as pick 4/5 if you both have equal mmr.


And sona 1v4 quadra kill!! Supports op in s4, equal in damage of both apc on my team

League of legends (EU West Servers), playing it for 2 years already.
Plat 1, 2 points, in-game name Erasuz.
Champions I play Ezreal, Lee sin, Kassadin and I mostly main ADC

Am I the only one here who thinks nocturne should get reworked?
I mean seriously. Back during season 1, noc was one of my favorites. Now that so much has changed and these new champs offer so much, nocturne just seems pretty useless. Ganking power is okay but not great, ult would have been great but I feel that the cooldown is too long and if you don't have your ult up you basicaly have to walk right into the middle of the enemy team without any means of escape.

Seriously, riot needs to do something about him. I miss the days where players were acually afraid of a good noc player.

No, Nocturne isn't a bad champion. During earlygame the ult is mostly for ganking through wards and cutting off enemy vision rather than gapclosing, while lategame it turns into "dive-onto-adc-for-free". The jungle changes ruined him and the warmogs/atmas/frozen mallet nerf also ruined him.

He's still very scary to play against if he snowballs really really hard and gets good items because there's no gold in the jungle anymore.

The great thing about Season 1 Nocturne was that you could just farm jungle and maybe gank or countergank when ult was up, still get lots of gold/items, get tanky AND deal a ton of damage. Now there's no jungle gold or atmogs so you're forced to build all tank items and no damage items so you're basically Vi or J4 with worse utility and worse gapclosing.

Think about how overpowered he would be if his ult's CD was like 60-90 seconds or something. Warding lanes would basically be useless and he would be huge every game. I don't think Nocturne needs reworked as much as jungle gold needs increasing and the "jungle items" being removed from the game.

Makojita wrote:

League of legends (EU West Servers), playing it for 2 years already.
Plat 1, 2 points, in-game name Erasuz.
Champions I play Ezreal, Lee sin, Kassadin and I mostly main ADC

looks those 3 champions is your favorite because they has a 'escape' skill

am i right

Nocturne isn't in that bad of a spot right now he is still decent just not broken like he was in season 1 or even season 2. Season 3 wasn't that great for him, but at the same time it wasn't that great for a lot of junglers that relied on ults in their ganks. Season 4 will be great for junglers that can offset farming and ganking which is what Nocturne does best.

If he ever does receive a rework it won't be because his kit is bad it will most likely be because of the frustrating mechanics in his kit (his ult for the most part). Nocturnes ult will be severely changed, but the rest of his kit will be slightly buffed to compensate. Even then this will not happen for a really really really long time if ever since over a dozen champions are in dire need of a rework than he is. Reworks are not always done because a champion is bad or even too good. You gotta take in mind how these champions interact with players and what counterplay is involved.

Morello has pretty much posted the list of champions that are getting reworked in season 4 and every single one of them need it because of the frustrating anit-fun mechanics in their kits.

Shaco
Alistar
Poppy
Sion
Warwick
Zilean
Urgot

Source: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... 4#43478654

Oh and lets not forget the champions that are currently in the rework phase right now.

Skarner
Xerath
Jayce
Rengar
Yorick

Possibly even Nidalee.

So don't expect too many new champion releases in season 4.

I hate this game because I suck

Vulf wrote:

Oh and lets not forget the champions that are currently in the rework phase right now.

Skarner
Xerath
Jayce
Rengar
Yorick

Possibly even Nidalee.

So don't expect too many new champion releases in season 4.

we haven't heard about jayce's rework in forever
putting 6 ranks in his abilities was a horrible idea

Then I wait for the day my beloved nocturne gets buffed.

Definitely needs a rework.



Definitely, definitely. Outrageous.

truly*

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... s_forfeit/

It's my post >_> K3 WILL BE GETTING INTO THE LCS SPRING SPLIT

+1 pls

Yeah I feel taric just got farkin OP'd
That minus armor just became one hell of a debuff

new champion confirmed

core build featuring exhaust and kassadin

Probably the first time I won with a Yi in my team.

- O n i - wrote:

]we haven't heard about jayce's rework in forever
putting 6 ranks in his abilities was a horrible idea

Wasn't much detail on it to begin with other than "It's going to happen".

Champions like Jayce and Rengar should never have made it past the Riot testing phase. It was so bad that I actually quit the game a few months when those 2 were popular picks

Vulf wrote:

- O n i - wrote:

]we haven't heard about jayce's rework in forever
putting 6 ranks in his abilities was a horrible idea

Wasn't much detail on it to begin with other than "It's going to happen".

Champions like Jayce and Rengar should never have made it past the Riot testing phase. It was so bad that I actually quit the game a few months when those 2 were popular picks

Well then i have bad news for u rengar is popular again atleast he is in Korea But i guess he will also be in Na and Eu soon

200 armor, which is easily achievable, becomes 50 FLAT Armor reduction. I ended one game with 400 once

SoG Tava wrote:

Well then i have bad news for u rengar is popular again atleast he is in Korea But i guess he will also be in Na and Eu soon

That's fine because he will get nerfed again. At least riot knows he is a stupid champion and doesn't let him stay in a strong spot for very long like when he was released.

support income is so high its ridiculous

since when?

Otonashi07 wrote:

since when?

random cheat, sadly the enemy team can only ban 2 champs in this case T_T

I like how the entire twitch chat gets mad when Madlife picks Taric when Thresh is open lol.

Also, I was in a Stonewall jungle video, I'm the terrible Orianna lol. Also with Mythol on Thresh, Zeraph on Lucian, I think M A I D on riven and KRZY on rammus

this is how people treat me when i play tryndamere

Kanye West wrote:

I like how the entire twitch chat gets mad when Madlife picks Taric when Thresh is open lol.

Also, I was in a Stonewall jungle video, I'm the terrible Orianna lol. Also with Mythol on Thresh, Zeraph on Lucian, I think M A I D on riven and KRZY on rammus

Lucian is fotm in Korea, lol.

so who's one of the strongest supports right now?

I would say Taric, Thresh and Annie are the top picks right now. Sona is still pretty strong and safe too

Taric is definitely the strongest support right now.

My support *cough* KS Warwick games have been pretty funny though. lol

55 minute 4/0/4!?

totally not an error

maybe just farmed up?

It's a known error. Generally means those games were a surrender or ended before 20 mins

Vulf wrote:

It's a known error. Generally means those games were a surrender or ended before 20 mins

Wondering, do you really need the chalice? Seems like a gold waste since the mana should be manageable.

Really depends on the matchup bottom lane and it was mostly built for crucible. My ADC in all those games was a Jinx so she needed all the peel possible. If the enemy team consist of a ton of CC I will rush chalice for crucible as a support Warwick because it heavily benefits both me and the ADC.

Chalice is never a bad item on Warwick because he has the second lowest base mana pool in the game and also has one of the highest mana cost on his abilities. At level 6 a full Q, R Q combo will put you oom. You need some form of mana or mana regen if you want to harass constantly in lane.

Also just to point out my last game in that image we were against a solo Teemo bot lane so there really was no need to get chalice in lane and their team had no CC other than Heimerdinger so a wits end rush was fine. I bought tear as a troll item because the game became a 4v5 at around the 15 minute mark when I killed their master yi at his red buff. Rage quit lol

Don't get tear on Warwick it's bad and he can't stack it reliably lol.

Got my second penta with Akali today.

I just can't make Warwick jungle work in pre-made 5's when you are against people who have brains. Where is my Warwick rework at!?

After a losing streak I decided to solo queue, and had a great game to end it all.



Kayle + Vayne top is so dumb.

Kayke's ult is useless when you are dead. lol

Diamond dream is so hard to reach..

Ceph23 wrote:

Kayke's ult is useless when you are dead. lol

lol. Wasn't trying to be mean I just hate kayle.

I hate her ult so much because it has little to no counter play other than insta killing her possible target or CC and killing kayle in a team fight. Immunity over time abilities really have no place in this game other than sucking the fun out of that match. Hence why poppy, olaf and now kayle have been nerfed so many times or intentionally kept weak (Olaf is probably really strong atm though ).

psKirika wrote:

Diamond dream is so hard to reach..

it's not really a dream now :c it was, 2 seasons before yeah x_x I guess only challenger is really hard to reach now

am i really that great of a person lmao

Nofool wrote:

psKirika wrote:

Diamond dream is so hard to reach..

it's not really a dream now :c it was, 2 seasons before yeah x_x I guess only challenger is really hard to reach now

Diamond didn't even exist 2 seasons ago.

Kanye West wrote:

Diamond didn't even exist 2 seasons ago.

We are now in s4 right ? I'm pretty sure that there was a diamond tier in s2

No we aren't.

one day i'll man up and get into bronze 5

Nofool wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Diamond didn't even exist 2 seasons ago.

We are now in s4 right ? I'm pretty sure that there was a diamond tier in s2

o true lol

Not liking S4 so far... I just can't get used to it, specially supporting. For some reason my Nami doesn't feel as effective as before.
I used to have a 20-2 Nami record in ranked (and I don't even main support), and now it's like 20-5 and im scared to go on..
I don't have a picture of the 20-2 but I have one I took some weeks before that:
It's Diamond btw.
The thing is this is not even the worst case, I feel like I'm less effective in every role this season, and even if I do well, the throws are just so common. Oh and I hate the disappearance of oracles :/. I was Diamond II with around 50 LP last season and now I'm DIII with 30-50ish (it's the first time I go down a division actually). Let's just hope it's just me playing badly and having bad days and soon I will improve a lot.

Snepif wrote:

Not liking S4 so far... I just can't get used to it, specially supporting. For some reason my Nami doesn't feel as effective as before.
I used to have a 20-2 Nami record in ranked (and I don't even main support), and now it's like 20-5 and im scared to go on..
I don't have a picture of the 20-2 but I have one I took some weeks before that:

SPOILER

It's Diamond btw.
The thing is this is not even the worst case, I feel like I'm less effective in every role this season, and even if I do well, the throws are just so common. Oh and I hate the disappearance of oracles :/. I was Diamond II with around 50 LP last season and now I'm DIII with 30-50ish (it's the first time I go down a division actually). Let's just hope it's just me playing badly and having bad days and soon I will improve a lot.

I don't really feel like Nami was changed all that much. Her passive now scales of AP, so the speed increase isn't flat anymore.
She's the only support I've been using.
It might be the items change or the fact that melee supports like Alistar and Leona can use Targons and ranged ones can't. As an example anyway.

I like that oracles is out now. You have to be smarter with your pink wards and sweeping lens. If you pick up oracles, you run through the jungle and kill every ward. Not nearly as stretigic imo.

Throws are suppose to be less common I believe. Snowballing's a little harder since dead inhibitors no longer buff minions in other lanes. So I find that a touch strange.

My thoughts anyway. I don't discount what you're saying since I'm Bronze 1 and my worst role is support.

Taric op. pls nerf.

xEvolution wrote:

Taric op. pls nerf.

I lost to a duel against Taric top, and I was a fed MF full hp. Taric too stronk.

MetalGearSnake wrote:

xEvolution wrote:

Taric op. pls nerf.

I lost to a duel against Taric top, and I was a fed MF full hp. Taric too stronk.

Taric with Icebournce Gaunlet. Can 1 v 2.
He molested Ezreal for his blue build. gg

Snepif wrote:

Not liking S4 so far... I just can't get used to it, specially supporting. For some reason my Nami doesn't feel as effective as before.
I used to have a 20-2 Nami record in ranked (and I don't even main support), and now it's like 20-5 and im scared to go on..
I don't have a picture of the 20-2 but I have one I took some weeks before that:

SPOILER

It's Diamond btw.
The thing is this is not even the worst case, I feel like I'm less effective in every role this season, and even if I do well, the throws are just so common. Oh and I hate the disappearance of oracles :/. I was Diamond II with around 50 LP last season and now I'm DIII with 30-50ish (it's the first time I go down a division actually). Let's just hope it's just me playing badly and having bad days and soon I will improve a lot.

At this point I'm welcoming any sort of change. Season 3 was the worst season out of the previous 2 by far. Almost all of season 3 was even more stagnant and boring to play than the end of season 2 which was pretty bad. Change is good!

Nami is essentially fine. Problem is non traditional supports got an enormous buff with the new items and ambient gold gain change during the pre-season. If Nami turns out to be too weak she will get buffed trust me.

taric is way too stronk now, the armor is so good

Justykanna wrote:

I don't really feel like Nami was changed all that much. Her passive now scales of AP, so the speed increase isn't flat anymore.
She's the only support I've been using.
It might be the items change or the fact that melee supports like Alistar and Leona can use Targons and ranged ones can't. As an example anyway.

I like that oracles is out now. You have to be smarter with your pink wards and sweeping lens. If you pick up oracles, you run through the jungle and kill every ward. Not nearly as stretigic imo.

Throws are suppose to be less common I believe. Snowballing's a little harder since dead inhibitors no longer buff minions in other lanes. So I find that a touch strange.

My thoughts anyway. I don't discount what you're saying since I'm Bronze 1 and my worst role is support.

Vulf wrote:

At this point I'm welcoming any sort of change. Season 3 was the worst season out of the previous 2 by far. Almost all of season 3 was even more stagnant and boring to play than the end of season 2 which was pretty bad. Change is good!

Nami is essentially fine. Problem is non traditional supports got an enormous buff with the new items and ambient gold gain change during the pre-season. If Nami turns out to be too weak she will get buffed trust me.

I don't think Nami is weaker, what I think is that other supports outclass her at the moment (Fid, Annie, Taric) and it's much harder for me to be succesful with her. Maybe it was just some bad games, but it's my general thoughts. Annie is the best by far...

#diamondlucian #yoloswag #420blazeit #hashtag #nofilter

Love wrote:

#diamondlucian #yoloswag #420blazeit #hashtag #nofilter

maybe he was just drunk 8D jk wp, (#farm? hue)

AHTEUROKSEUUUU

I don't get it :/

Hmm...Nami doesn't seem to change -whistles-

Korean name translations I believe?

I'd like to think the "Tariq" for Taric is a reference from when Taric used to have a really dark skin tone. lol

Love wrote:

#diamondlucian #yoloswag #420blazeit #hashtag #nofilter

Makes me sad, just because you win in a normal vs a diamond player, allows you to flame on him so much?? Don't get this behaviour and how people don't understand they:

1. probably play a new champs
2. don't try hard
3. might have terrible support/jungler or get camped by enemy jungler. Which is more likely to happen if they see he is diamond.

SiFly wrote:

Love wrote:

#diamondlucian #yoloswag #420blazeit #hashtag #nofilter

Makes me sad, just because you win in a normal vs a diamond player, allows you to flame on him so much?? Don't get this behaviour and how people don't understand they:

1. probably play a new champs
2. don't try hard
3. might have terrible support/jungler or get camped by enemy jungler. Which is more likely to happen if they see he is diamond.

NO MAN EVERY NORMAL GAME TRY HARD ALL OVER #DIAMOND4NUBS


but no i agree, surely he didnt flame him, but not need to be cocky about it

but everyone knows diamond is worse than bronze

tyrael6192 wrote:

but everyone knows diamond is worse than bronze

so if i'm bronze, it's worse than.... something like 4 leagues under bronze o_o ? this game >_< too complicated

edit : 7777th post, np

ill just take 7777th reply then

anyway are these plans to be able to queue by role that you want to play still a thing?

LOOOL trolling in champ select is so fun
So someone wrote "hi please don't feed this is my last promo game" and I was like "hi I'm playing on my boyfriend's account, I'm only lvl 15 but I want to play ranked no hate plz" and he instantly dodged
I guess someone didn't know the consequences of dodging during promo 8)

sigh

I was about to write something like "lol jk I'm diamond smurf" but it was too late
th-that wasn't my intention at all >_>

BrokenArrow wrote:

LOOOL trolling in champ select is so fun
So someone wrote "hi please don't feed this is my last promo game" and I was like "hi I'm playing on my boyfriend's account, I'm only lvl 15 but I want to play ranked no hate plz" and he instantly dodged
I guess someone didn't know the consequences of dodging during promo 8)

That's terrible. =/

In the current state of the Korean meta where mobility is pretty much everything it makes some champions obsolete while bringing in new champions such as Karma. Positioning and vision control have become increasingly more important as it is easy to be caught out of the position and die to roaming high mobility champions. Due to how tanky champions like Olaf, Rengar, and Mundo can get, we will probably start to see more Vayne play even after her nerfs. Along with Vayne we might see Blade of the Ruined King being built more often on other Marksmen and champions with long ranged initiation like Leona.

Also there top picks are :
Top:Rengar , Mundo
Mid:Gragas
Jungle: Evelyn
Adc:Lucian , jinx , sivir
Supp: Karma is beiing spammed in Korean Solo Q

Source : http://cloth5.com/taking-a-look-at-kr/

Justykanna wrote:

BrokenArrow wrote:

LOOOL trolling in champ select is so fun
So someone wrote "hi please don't feed this is my last promo game" and I was like "hi I'm playing on my boyfriend's account, I'm only lvl 15 but I want to play ranked no hate plz" and he instantly dodged
I guess someone didn't know the consequences of dodging during promo 8)

That's terrible. =/

Yeah even if it wasent youre intention u still kinda ruined that guys promotion series , U gotta be more carefull when saying that kind of stuff

Vayne is still really strong despite the nerfs. Only reason she's tier 2 in competitive play is her bad laning.

Kanye West wrote:

Vayne is still really strong despite the nerfs. Only reason she's tier 2 in competitive play is her bad laning.

And doesn't fit any sieging/poking comps.

SiFly wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Vayne is still really strong despite the nerfs. Only reason she's tier 2 in competitive play is her bad laning.

And doesn't fit any sieging/poking comps.

still has the strongest late game potential though


gotta agree though, jinx lucian are prolly the strongest atm imo

Twitch or Kog'maw should have higher potential than Vayne.

those wrote:

Twitch or Kog'maw should have higher potential than Vayne.

I agree the 'Burst' is higher on Twitch and Kog'Maw but the skill cap on vayne is much higher .

Not discussing skill cap. Discussing late game potential.

those wrote:

Not discussing skill cap. Discussing late game potential.

I know just wanted to add that ^^

Kanye West wrote:

Vayne is still really strong despite the nerfs. Only reason she's tier 2 in competitive play is her bad laning.

Needs to stay that way. If you have a ridiculously strong late game your laning phase or early game shouldn't be good. This is currently the issue with Nasus since pretty much everything that wrecked him in lane was nerfed into the ground.

Vulf wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Vayne is still really strong despite the nerfs. Only reason she's tier 2 in competitive play is her bad laning.

Needs to stay that way. If you have a ridiculously strong late game your laning phase or early game shouldn't be good. This is currently the issue with Nasus since pretty much everything that wrecked him in lane was nerfed into the ground.

I agree Nothing can move nasus out of the lane with the new masteries




Damn those translations

Vulf wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Vayne is still really strong despite the nerfs. Only reason she's tier 2 in competitive play is her bad laning.

Needs to stay that way. If you have a ridiculously strong late game your laning phase or early game shouldn't be good. This is currently the issue with Nasus since pretty much everything that wrecked him in lane was nerfed into the ground.

I agree. But I think the opposite should be true as well. If you have a strong earlygame, you shouldn't have a strong lategame. All these new ad carries are really badly designed by Riot imo. Jinx, Lucian and the new Sivir are way too strong early and midgame and still have a strong lategame

those wrote:

Twitch or Kog'maw should have higher potential than Vayne.

In terms of raw damage/AoE, sure. But I think Vayne still has the strongest all-around lategame because of high single target damage, mobility and self-peel.

In my opinion the ADCs with the hardest skill caps are the ones who don't have mobility, so I disagree with Vayne having a high skillcap (you can basically spam Qs and Condemns and be relatively safe), whereas the likes of Ashe and Kog'Maw require WAAAAAY smarter positioning.

SoG Tava wrote:

Damn those translations

"Master this"

Kanye West wrote:

I agree. But I think the opposite should be true as well. If you have a strong earlygame, you shouldn't have a strong lategame. All these new ad carries are really badly designed by Riot imo. Jinx, Lucian and the new Sivir are way too strong early and midgame and still have a strong lategame.

Of course. Still pissed what they did to Leblanc, because I think she was fine where she was the big problem was that other assassins just did her job WAAAAAY better in the late game and that was fine. She is a very strong early game champion with some severe limitations late game and that was the trade off for picking her.

Another issue is riot is making champions that are good at all stages of the game (Elise for example) so they have no trade off and it severely powercreeps specific champs that would fill a certain role of being early/lategame specific. Having champions that are good at all stages of the game is okay essentially, but they shouldn't be as strong as a champion that is designed to shine at a specific time. I'm not a game designer (yet), but there is a lot of things that Riot does that just makes zero sense whatsoever.

Vulf wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

I agree. But I think the opposite should be true as well. If you have a strong earlygame, you shouldn't have a strong lategame. All these new ad carries are really badly designed by Riot imo. Jinx, Lucian and the new Sivir are way too strong early and midgame and still have a strong lategame.

Of course. Still pissed what they did to Leblanc, because I think she was fine where she was the big problem was that other assassins just did her job WAAAAAY better in the late game and that was fine. She is a very strong early game champion with some severe limitations late game and that was the trade off for picking her.

Another issue is riot is making champions that are good at all stages of the game (Elise for example) so they have no trade off and it severely powercreeps specific champs that would fill a certain role of being early/lategame specific. Having champions that are good at all stages of the game is okay essentially, but they shouldn't be as strong as a champion that is designed to shine at a specific time. I'm not a game designer (yet), but there is a lot of things that Riot does that just makes zero sense whatsoever.

Well we can't really expect Riot get get it right all the time.

Easter Egg between Vayne and Lucian vayne quotes '' i smell black magic '' , Lucian quotes '' some call it magic ''

Riot = Racist ?

Ceph23 wrote:

Well we can't really expect Riot get get it right all the time.

Except it's pretty much been champion after champion at this point. I am so glad riot will be slowing down the champion release rate to fix a lot of issues with the current ones and reworking the ones that have severe balance issues. Not saying Riot should be perfect but the past year has been really obnoxious lol.

The pre-season has been great so far definitely the most fun I've had on LoL in over a year.

tbh Vayne is shat at the moment. Doesn't really matter that she has the best scaling, if she gets shat on in lane every high ranked game.

Vulf wrote:

Ceph23 wrote:

Well we can't really expect Riot get get it right all the time.

Except it's pretty much been champion after champion at this point. I am so glad riot will be slowing down the champion release rate to fix a lot of issues with the current ones and reworking the ones that have severe balance issues. Not saying Riot should be perfect but the past year has been really obnoxious lol.

The pre-season has been great so far definitely the most fun I've had on LoL in over a year.

Keep in mind that this might actual not be an issue in their view. I think Riot is managing champions really carefully to make sure new ones reach the competitive scene continiously and keep it interesting and refreshing, while nerfing too often picked champs to make them played way less.

Some champs/kits have actual flaws indeed, but I think a big balancing thing is that Riot wants to rotate OP champs

Just watching OGN, thought I had a fancy lvl 1 strategy for first blood camping. Koreans immediatly steal it a week later ;(

That feel when you go to toilet during champion select, thinking you took smite even though you didn't

Well who needs smite to jungle anyways. Counterjungling is much more fun with ignite.

i just played with wunderguy wow

SiFly wrote:

Keep in mind that this might actual not be an issue in their view. I think Riot is managing champions really carefully to make sure new ones reach the competitive scene continiously and keep it interesting and refreshing, while nerfing too often picked champs to make them played way less.

Some champs/kits have actual flaws indeed, but I think a big balancing thing is that Riot wants to rotate OP champs

Just watching OGN, thought I had a fancy lvl 1 strategy for first blood camping. Koreans immediatly steal it a week later ;(

I don't think this is the case at all since top, jungle and support (kinda) almost all of season 3 was pretty much the same 3 (give or take 3 more different picks) champions being spammed every game. If your true goal is to have variety then this is definitely not the direction you should go.

In a perfect world you would want all your characters to be competitively viable if it is your goal to make this game an esport in which Riot does. Some will be weaker yes, but there should still be a reason to pick those specific champions through niches if possible. This is not the case anymore because newer stuff just does what older stuff does but better. Take Warwick for example he has essentially been remade about 4 times through Skarner, Vi, and Zac and even Aatrox to an extent. Not saying they are carbon copies, but a lot of elements are similar. There is absolutely 100% no reason to ever pick Warwick competitively over Vi or even Zac because they do everything he does but better (something would have to get severely gutted and I mean a giant nerf) it's called powercreep and it's starting to get ridiculous in this game. Then there is the mobility creep issue in which case riot does little to resolve this. How do players deal with this? By playing stuff that is just as mobile as their opponent because there is no trade off for being super mobile when you compare them to less mobile champions.

I'm not saying older stuff is obsolete because that's obviously not true, but you can't deny a lot of the older stuff has been powercreeped to hell and back. Fortunately Riot see's this, hence them slowing down new champion release in season 4 a lot to address this issue they let sit for so long.

SiFly wrote:

Keep in mind that this might actual not be an issue in their view. I think Riot is managing champions really carefully to make sure new ones reach the competitive scene continiously and keep it interesting and refreshing, while nerfing too often picked champs to make them played way less.

Some champs/kits have actual flaws indeed, but I think a big balancing thing is that Riot wants to rotate OP champs

Just watching OGN, thought I had a fancy lvl 1 strategy for first blood camping. Koreans immediatly steal it a week later ;(

Except that every single new champion that they release is OP as fuck and makes old champs obsolete. Only a handful of old champions are competitively played anymore, because all the new releases are ridiculously broken

People seem to care who you use, without seeing the skill of the player first. It's a little ridiculous.
I mean, I'm not great, but I have more wins than losses with a handful of champions.

I mean, whose used competitively?
I actually asked a friend of mine a while ago and he said most of who I use on a regular basis never sees competitive pro play. Those would be Gangplank, Galio, Garen, Maokai and Kayle, as well as a few others.
Gangplank, in particular, the community seems to REALLY hate, but he's far and away my favourite champion. =/
Then there's Galio who completely walls off APCs. What's not to like?

I'll explain why all of those are bad.

Gangplank - high mana cost of skills, no hard cc, no mobility, crappy RNG ult. Almost every top laner is better than him.
Galio - needs flash to get good ults, no mobility. He's very situational in mid lane and gets shit on in top lane.
Garen - no cc, can potentially get kited. There are other top laners that do just as much damage as him. Why play Garen when you can play Renekton Rengar or Riven.
Maokai - high cooldowns, not a lategame threat because he has no damage. Why play Maokai when you can play Vi or J4.
Kayle - not a bad champion, but situational just like Galio. Needs to deal damage over time so needs a very specific team comp.

Basically, power creep and mobility creep are ridiculous

Kanye West wrote:

I'll explain why all of those are bad.

Gangplank - high mana cost of skills, no hard cc, no mobility, crappy RNG ult. Almost every top laner is better than him.
Galio - needs flash to get good ults, no mobility. He's very situational in mid lane and gets shit on in top lane.
Garen - no cc, can potentially get kited. There are other top laners that do just as much damage as him. Why play Garen when you can play Renekton Rengar or Riven.
Maokai - high cooldowns, not a lategame threat because he has no damage. Why play Maokai when you can play Vi or J4.
Kayle - not a bad champion, but situational just like Galio. Needs to deal damage over time so needs a very specific team comp.

Yeah but if you do well - and I'm not saying I am amazing with all five - why does it matter?
Pro players =/= who the community needs to use. If that were the case, why not just take them out of the game?

Gangplank can farm at a distance and has high natural movement speed.
Galio, like I said, walls off APCs. I don't use him top lane and I don't use him against AD champions, since I only play draft pick.
I love Garen's kit - a movement speed buff (for escape), defensive ability (Courage) and an ultimate that can burst without missing. Renekton doesn't fit my playing style AT ALL because I'm an incredibly passive player. He's more for aggressive players. Or so I've been told. Rengar has no escape unless you wanna pop his ultimate and Riven's too squishy for my purposes of a bruiser/tank.
Maokai just works well for me. He reduces damage teammates get, he can easily jump to an enemy without missing, and he's beefy. Vi and Jarvan IV are AD... I use Xin Zhao for AD jungling (I'm just gonna guess now that he's not used either).
Kayle's my mid because I dispise mages and she's all I really have for AP damage vs an AD.

Kanye West wrote:

Basically, power creep and mobility creep are ridiculous

Explain?

Every champion that is picked nowadays has mobility in his/her kit.

Mid:
Ahri, Kassadin, Fizz, Gragas, Orianna, Zed, Kha'zix, Ziggs etc.

Marksmen:
Ezreal, Corki, Lucian, Sivir, Vayne (Graves, but no need to take him over others)

Lucian jokes
Inb4 racism

Passive: Natural Athleticism: Dunks higher than Darius.

+1 gold from the pickpocket mastery

How to counter Lucian: black cleaver

Nocturne's ult makes him invisible

Ryze met lucian in a rune prison

Lucian's health potions are grape flavored.

Hidden passive: Lucian is immune to Tryndamere's chicken shout

Lucian stole my bike.
9/0/21. Get Weapon expertise, Nimble and Pickpocket

+15% movement speed when chasing Caitlyn

SoG Tava wrote:

Lucian jokes
Inb4 racism

Passive: Natural Athleticism: Dunks higher than Darius.

+1 gold from the pickpocket mastery

How to counter Lucian: black cleaver

Nocturne's ult makes him invisible

Ryze met lucian in a rune prison

Lucian's health potions are grape flavored.

Hidden passive: Lucian is immune to Tryndamere's chicken shout

Lucian stole my bike.
9/0/21. Get Weapon expertise, Nimble and Pickpocket

+15% movement speed when chasing Caitlyn

xd

edit : what about karma ?

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