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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:41:14+00:00

Posting overall possibility for reference.

Sephi: Sane/Naive/insane
Sakura: Insane/Paranoid
GIF: Paranoid/Insane
Lincolm: Sane/Naive/insane
Nyquill: Sane/Naive

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GuyInFreezer

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:48:10+00:00

We're not voting until we fill this table:

If we NL today

- Nyquill -> Sakura
- Sephi ->
- Lincolm ->
- Me ->
-Sakura ->

If we lynch Sakura today:

- Sephi ->
- Nyquill ->
- Me ->
- Lincolm ->

If we lynch Sephi today (Insert Trollface here):

- Nyquill -> Sakura
- Me ->
- Lincolm ->
- Sakura ->

If we lynch Nyquill today

- Me ->
- Lincolm ->
- Sakura ->
- Sephi ->

If we lynch me today, y'all are dumb.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T16:50:44+00:00

vote: gif

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T16:52:26+00:00

unvote

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Sakura 2013-11-28T16:54:26+00:00

Why's lynching lincolm not an option?

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:55:05+00:00

If any of y'all townread sephi, raise your hand.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:55:22+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Why's lynching lincolm not an option?

Simply I forgot to put him.

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Sakura 2013-11-28T16:55:36+00:00

Anyways i think i should scan GiF who's alignment is confirmed if i get innocent then most likely seph is SK, if I get guilty then idk.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:55:59+00:00

Sephi: Sane/Naive/insane
Sakura: Insane/Paranoid
GIF: Paranoid/Insane
Lincolm: Sane/Naive/insane
Nyquill: Sane/Naive

Sephi: Sakura Inno
Sakura: Sephi Guilty
GIF: Sakura Guilty
Lincolm: Sakura Inno
Nyquill: Lincolm Inno

If we NL today

- Nyquill -> Sakura
- Sephi ->
- Lincolm ->
- Me ->
- Sakura ->

If we lynch Sakura today:

- Sephi ->
- Nyquill ->
- Me ->
- Lincolm ->

If we lynch Sephi today (Insert Trollface here):

- Nyquill -> Sakura
- Me ->
- Lincolm ->
- Sakura ->

If we lynch Nyquill today

- Me ->
- Lincolm ->
- Sakura ->
- Sephi ->

If we lynch Lincolm today

- Nyquill -> Sakura
- Me ->
- Sakura ->
- Sephi ->

If we lynch me today, y'all are dumb.

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Sakura 2013-11-28T16:56:01+00:00

Also why cant i be sane? :<

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:57:07+00:00

I want Sakura/Sephi/someone-else in LyLo tomorrow.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T16:58:01+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Also why cant i be sane? :<

Because too many sane possibilities.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:00:06+00:00

Like, I'm the only one who can't be sane, which means that 4 ppl can be sane. Among those 4 ppl, you're least likely (if no chance) to be sane because you have the possibility of being paranoid and insane, which is in the other group of sanity. (Usually ppl are either sane/naive or insane/para)

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:01:40+00:00

Wait. Shit. Hold on a second.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:02:09+00:00

nvm.

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Sakura 2013-11-28T17:04:47+00:00

inb4 I scan GiF and get Inno...

Anyways guess i'll scan Nyquill, if we lynch Nyquill I'll scan Lincolm.

Why i'm not scanning conf town GiF? if im guaranteed not to be sane, then that means whether im paranoid or insane i'll get a guilty on him, which gives me no info.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:06:38+00:00

We're lynching either Lincolm/Nyquill today, and you're gonna scan whoever didn't get lynched today.
That will confirmed your sanity tomorrow.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:06:58+00:00

confirm*

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:08:15+00:00

Sephi's checking me tonight.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:10:14+00:00

Lincolm is checking Sephi if we lynch Nyquill today.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T17:15:29+00:00

guys

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T17:15:50+00:00

I GOT THIS

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T17:17:21+00:00

Nyquill -> Sakura
Sephi -> Nyquill
Lincolm -> Nyquill
Sakura -> Lincolm
GIF -> Lincolm

objections?

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T17:19:06+00:00

this if we NL. now let me consider scenarios with lynch

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:19:40+00:00

Hold on a sec. I'm trying to create a scenario where someone is confirmed town no matter what happens tomorrow.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:27:47+00:00

F.
I made a typo on my testing place and now I need to run the scenarios all over again D:

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:29:28+00:00

Screw this. I'm taking a break from this a bit.

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NoHitter 2013-11-28T17:32:11+00:00

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She tilts her head upwards and clicks her tongue. "No one is voting for anyone yet."

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T17:38:53+00:00

Ok, just got to a certain conclusion.

Today, we MUST vote NL because there's no way to be 100% sure we are gathering enough information tomorrow to mathematically know who's the SK.
In we NL today, we can NL tomorrow too. If we Lynch today, tomorrow is LyLo

vote: No Lynch

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Sakura 2013-11-28T17:39:00+00:00

@Mod: Nah flavor is really nice.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:40:41+00:00

Sephibro wrote:
Ok, just got to a certain conclusion.

Today, we MUST vote NL because there's no way to be 100% sure we are gathering enough information tomorrow to mathematically know who's the SK.
In we NL today, we can NL tomorrow too. If we Lynch today, tomorrow is LyLo

vote: No Lynch

NO
UNVOTE FOR NOW
AT LEAST UNTIL I'M DONE WITH THIS STUFF

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T17:42:48+00:00

i've already done everything - but ok i'll wait to listen to your conclusions too

unvote

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:52:55+00:00

I'm gonna go eat right now but so far my scenario has 50% having confirmed scum tomorrow and another 50% creating confirmed town tomorrow.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T17:59:03+00:00

Also, unless its better to do so, I'm not gonna list every scenario even though I'm done working on it.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T18:06:12+00:00

ok - btw wait for me to check it before doing anything, you were already giving Sakura for conftown when she actually isn't

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T18:10:58+00:00

Dat discredit.
Die scum.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T18:13:24+00:00

haha

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Nyquill 2013-11-28T18:15:01+00:00

fwiw, i'm okay with being lynched if anyone feels its necessary, but lynching me generates a miniscule amount of information, so D2 will be quite the challenge.

Idk if nolynch would be the best option. Even if you go by elimination in this setup, 2 lynches are always better than one.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T18:19:17+00:00

the fact is this

5p
- if you lynch d1+n1 kill -> d2 is 3p LyLo
- if you No Lynch d1 -> d2 is 4p & you can No Lynch again -> d3 is 3p LyLo

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T18:20:32+00:00

Oh and what's more important - i want to win by wit and maths, not by luck

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Nyquill 2013-11-28T18:21:13+00:00

the trade off is one extra investigative round over 1 more chance at hitting scum/confirming one alignment.

I don't know which one is better actually

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Nyquill 2013-11-28T18:22:25+00:00

I guess the unpredictable factor is who SK will kill, so maybe a nl would be better

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T18:33:15+00:00

Nyquill wrote:
chance

we don't need it, not this game

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T18:57:47+00:00

Nyquill wrote:
I guess the unpredictable factor is who SK will kill, so maybe a nl would be better

*waves hand*

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:05:46+00:00

Ok. I'm done with the initial calculation. I'm not outing what I have in mind yet, but so far, assuming that I die tonight, my plan will net confirmed scum 87.5%.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:09:48+00:00

Sephibro wrote:
Sephi: Sakura Inno
Sakura: Sephi Guilty
GIF: Sakura Guilty
Lincolm: Sakura Inno
Nyquill: Lincolm Inno

If Sephi's SK

Sakura: Paranoid
GIF: Insane
Lincolm: Naive/Sane
Nyquill: Sane/Naive

If Sakura's SK

Sephi: Naive/Insane
GIF: Paranoid
Lincolm: Naive/Insane
Nyquill: Sane

If GIF's SK

Sephi: Naive/Sane
Sakura: Paranoid and Insane
Lincolm: Naive/Sane
Nyquill: -

thus GIF is confirmed

If Lincolm is SK

Sephi: Sane
Sakura: Paranoid/Insane
GiF: Paranoid/Insane
Nyquill: Naive

If Nyquill is SK

Sephi: Naive/Sane
Sakura: Paranoid/Insane
GiF: Paranoid/Insane
Lincolm: Naive/Sane

This is how you analyze properly - tell me if i made any mistake

Assuming that this is 100% correct, that is.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:10:36+00:00

GuyInFreezer wrote:
Ok. I'm done with the initial calculation. I'm not outing what I have in mind yet, but so far, assuming that I die tonight, my plan will net confirmed scum 87.5%.

Also, that 12.5% will get a confirmed town tomorrow.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:10:50+00:00

explain, i'm listening

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:11:28+00:00

let me recheck that shit

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:12:14+00:00

I don't want to explain the whole scenario, though. If I explain, tomorrow will most likely be that 12.5%.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:13:33+00:00

Basically, lynch Nyquill today, Sephi and Sakura check Lincolm tonight, and Lincolm check Sephi tonight.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:15:43+00:00

Oh also, leaving me alive in that plan will boost netting confirmed scum to like 95+%, so yeah. I think I'm guaranteed to die tonight.

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Nyquill 2013-11-28T19:21:59+00:00

still a waste of a free lynch to lynch me though, but whatever catches scum in the end I guess

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:24:04+00:00

No, we're No Lynching today

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:24:46+00:00

even if nyquill is making me want to lynch him

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:24:48+00:00

Sooo if we follow my plan and I die tonight, it's .25 (Nyquill scum) + .75 {.875 (confirmed scum) + (.125/2 (lynching correctly in LyLo with one confirmed town))} = 95.31%.
If we follow my plan and I don't die tonight, it's .25 + (.75 * 0.969) = 97.68%.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:25:36+00:00

Sephibro wrote:
No, we're No Lynching today

Even with 95+% confirmed scum chance? O.O

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:26:03+00:00

still less than 100%

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:26:40+00:00

There's no guarantee that NLing today and tomorrow will net scum 100%.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:27:12+00:00

I did my math, so you show me your math now.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:28:31+00:00

already done

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:28:40+00:00

Like, if SK knows most of our sanities at this point as you said, NLing twice will have more chance on 3P LyLo with a direct cc.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:29:41+00:00

But in my case, SK knowing the sanity of most ppl can still cause him to autolose tomorrow.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:31:00+00:00

Sephibro wrote:
already done

Give me an exact percentage of town win, then.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:34:30+00:00

calculating them would be quite difficult

do you realize that your percentages aren't exact at all?

Everything depends on who's getting nightkilled

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:35:20+00:00

It's all accounted.
The first percentage I gave was when I get nightkilled tonight.
The second percentage I gave was when I don't get nightkilled tonight.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:36:26+00:00

Of course, there's a possibility that scum skips a nightkill, but that's basically same as the scenario where I get killed.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:38:57+00:00

Oh, btw, in my plan, I'm checking sephi too.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:41:45+00:00

So here's my offer.

Lynch Nyquill
Seph -> Lincolm
Lincolm -> Seph
Sakura -> Lincolm
me -> Seph

Percentage of netting confirmed scum tomorrow: Average of 96.5%.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:46:20+00:00

do what you guys want, if scum is Nyquill or Lincolm it's almost the same

as i said, i want to win this with maths, not chance, so i'm supporting nothing but No Lynch

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:48:34+00:00

... Massclaim doesn't net confirmed scum 100% either.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T19:52:27+00:00

masswat

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Nyquill 2013-11-28T19:52:38+00:00

I don't follow anything at the moment

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Nyquill 2013-11-28T19:53:41+00:00

sephi: massclaim actions

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T19:56:08+00:00

Um, I meant No Lynch.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T20:00:43+00:00

GiF's solution

Lynch Nyquill

Seph -> Lincolm
Lincolm -> Seph
Sakura -> Lincolm
me -> Seph

Sephi's Solution

No Lynch

Nyquill -> Sakura
Sephi -> Nyquill
Lincolm -> Nyquill
Sakura -> Lincolm
GIF -> Lincolm

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T20:04:22+00:00

choose one and let's go ahead, we can't get further information from d1

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T20:33:41+00:00

hello

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T20:36:45+00:00

Sephi's Solution

No Lynch

Nyquill -> Sakura
Sephi -> Nyquill
Lincolm -> Nyquill
Sakura -> Lincolm
GIF -> Lincolm

First of all, if this needs to work better, one of Seph/Lincolm needs to check me imo

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T20:43:24+00:00

there's a reason for that

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T20:44:14+00:00

Actually, both of Sephi and Lincolm need to check me.
That way, there are more chances to decrease scumpool to two ppl D2.

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T20:46:21+00:00

I'm guessing that the point of it is that making sure that you and Lincolm check the same person since y'all's sanitypool are same.

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Sephibro 2013-11-28T20:47:50+00:00

mhm

GuyInFreezer

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GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T20:49:53+00:00

Then why not check me instead? Checking me will have 50% chance to figure out your sanity right away.

"Cease to hate, learn to love. Let the love spread."
えいじんみなみ <- My Japanese Name (Even though I'm Korean.)

GuyInFreezer

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Joined June 2013

GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T20:51:28+00:00

I mean, it seems like your whole point of your plan is to figure out yours and Lincolm's sanity. You and Lincolm checking me will give out better results.

"Cease to hate, learn to love. Let the love spread."
えいじんみなみ <- My Japanese Name (Even though I'm Korean.)

Sephibro

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Joined November 2012

Sephibro 2013-11-28T20:52:05+00:00

because checking a 100% town to know if someone's naive or sane isn't a wise choice

GuyInFreezer

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Joined June 2013

GuyInFreezer 2013-11-28T20:53:17+00:00

What if one of you get guilty? (Oh snap)

"Cease to hate, learn to love. Let the love spread."
えいじんみなみ <- My Japanese Name (Even though I'm Korean.)