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Azer
WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
Hika

Azer wrote:

WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
because league is broken that way
matches are so stupid, i got matched up with a plat 2 thresh and almost got cancer because he had shit grabs

*other news*
i got my second penta and am forever in love with cait <3

Nyquill

Kanye West wrote:

I'm most looking forward to this change



I hope they made it hilarious
whats wrong with his current one?
Azer
also hi hika
GeeNX
I think my smurf will be soon gold , Im not playing that much recently, also as long they dont change singeds laugh.

If youre a singed player spam laugh in laning phase, i didnt read whole patch, its so long....ive read a bit about supports, everything about junglers, and jungle camps and its items. Still I dont know what exactly will I build with some of them
SiFly_old

Azer wrote:

WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
Guess you were playing at some awkward time?

But even at mainstream times like 20.00-24.00 you'll get matched vs teams that are over 1 league higher or lower.. can be quite a lottery sometimes.
maal

SiFly wrote:

Azer wrote:

WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
Guess you were playing at some awkward time?

But even at mainstream times like 20.00-24.00 you'll get matched vs teams that are over 1 league higher or lower.. can be quite a lottery sometimes.
gold V team got matched with challenger #1 on euw


we were playing at 20 GMT+1 so idk how this system works nowadays
SiFly_old
Strange, atleast you can learn something from it the first minutes..


Preseason 4 arrived! Now I have to find out what masteries work, + AD masteries seems to be very nice to take on any AP champ aswell now. Just have to wait till some pro does some calculations and find out what is best and I can copy.
maal

SiFly wrote:

Strange, atleast you can learn something from it the first minutes..


Preseason 4 arrived! Now I have to find out what masteries work, + AD masteries seems to be very nice to take on any AP champ aswell now. Just have to wait till some pro does some calculations and find out what is best and I can copy.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Soarezi
i cant find patch notes anywhere or then im just dumb help plz
maal

Soarezi wrote:

i cant find patch notes anywhere or then im just dumb help plz
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8667
Soarezi

maal wrote:

Soarezi wrote:

i cant find patch notes anywhere or then im just dumb help plz
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8667
ty
Sapphiire_old_1
For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
SiFly_old

SoG Tava wrote:

For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
Started with opening the AP ones, don't like them already. Not speccing into the standard mana regen/buff duration seems odd. I guess taking the +5 AD mastery is quite strong aswell for early game trades.
Kanye West

GeeNX wrote:

I think my smurf will be soon gold , Im not playing that much recently, also as long they dont change singeds laugh.

If youre a singed player spam laugh in laning phase, i didnt read whole patch, its so long....ive read a bit about supports, everything about junglers, and jungle camps and its items. Still I dont know what exactly will I build with some of them
Yeah if they change his laugh I quit this game
Vulf

SoG Tava wrote:

For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
Couple of those setups are kinda bad. That bruiser page made me cringe so hard.

Offensive tree is only really good if you invest a lot of points into it. Defensive tree is still OP. Utility tree is extremely good for supports maybe some junglers.

The double edge sword mastery is a noob trap. I would never run that on anything except maybe an extremely high burst assassin.
Hakeru

i'll main support
now

the gold income is sooooo good
SiFly_old
After playing 2 games, my thoughts so far:

Really missing the oracle vision security and clearing vision, on the other hand as laner I really like the free ward item you get and how it provides just a 60s ward with 120s. This means you'll have to use efficiently and have map awareness of the jungler, instead of dumb warding it up.

I'll expect the competitive scene to pick up mass sweepers to still secure map vision in some areas, and I'll also except nice amounts of trolling with vision wards, wards that stay visible with 5 hit points? That means blocking thresh lanterns with wards, or even more trolling with dumping them before the enemy adc, which fails his attack move (or probably just in front of the person you try to defend, more efficient)

Support gold income is quite insane, almost would make it more worthwhile to have the 5th person be an 2nd support and share the jungle between your team, cait+sona+nunu push meta is already huge in korea, this might make it even stronger. There will be even more objective turret push focus since catching up on xp is easier aswell
tyrael6192
the more important thing tho is how shitty the new healthbars are
ew
Sapphiire_old_1

Vulf wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
Couple of those setups are kinda bad. That bruiser page made me cringe so hard.

Offensive tree is only really good if you invest a lot of points into it. Defensive tree is still OP. Utility tree is extremely good for supports maybe some junglers.

The double edge sword mastery is a noob trap. I would never run that on anything except maybe an extremely high burst assassin.
Yeah like i said it are just basic ideas ofcourse there a better ways :)
those


Still strong as ever
Vulf
If nothing gets severely nerfed during the pre-season 2-1-2 lanes will be meta and junglers won't exist. Not sure how I feel about this, but at least it's something new. :)
those
League of Targon
Kanye West
I think the whole Targon top thing is just a solo queue gimmick, won't be picked up in competitive play. Junglers bring too much to the game with regards to objective control and lane pressure.

If you run 2 top, then you don't have smite to secure objectives, or you take smite and it'll be useless for laning. You also lose dragon control and pressure on mid and bot lanes. It isn't really worth stomping toplane if midlane and botlane can play like the jungler doesn't exist.

The real reason Oddone and Xpecial won that first game was because they first blooded the enemy jungler and he was really behind. This effectively negated the early jungle pressure he would have brought and his mid and bot couldn't get ahead.
Vulf
You don't just sit top all laning phase. lol

You take your jungle buffs go top zone hard get your top laner ahead with the double targon w/e in gold and then roam and gank. It's very similar to the roaming style of season 1.
tyrael6192
it was weird as hell i played against a 2-1-2 as solo bot trist while we had double bruiser top

i don't know what's going on with this meta anymore
BrokenArrow


this is waaaay too fun
Soarezi

BrokenArrow wrote:



this is waaaay too fun
5x champs back?
BrokenArrow

Soarezi wrote:

5x champs back?


Looks like it (sorry for German client)
Soarezi

BrokenArrow wrote:

Soarezi wrote:

5x champs back?


Looks like it (sorry for German client)
WAAAAAAAT :DDDDD
Blaziken

I swear to god I hate this game.
It's never me playing good..
I can miss every skillshot and win because I get carried 24/7.
Justykanna
So I played a few normals today and my first match since 3.14 hit was with someone who wanted to duo-top lane.
The other two I had were just 1-1-2 then a jungler.

I really hope the game doesn't turn into 2-1-2. =/ Junglers add so much and... yeah... it's my second role...

Also, do supports change in how they build now? I know some supports have kits that encourage AP. Though I know Sona had some AP ratios reduced, Nami and Lulu had some AP in their kits. As a few examples anyway.
Vulf
Relic shield has already been nerfed on PBE. 2-1-2 will still be optional against some matchups but it's not going to be broken anymore.

I was excited for a new meta, but at the same time I don't think a role should be removed from viability even though the support changes pretty much removed about half of the support role champion pool from the game.
Navizel
so fun lawl
finally a somehow decent game

game way too long cause they push and we kill
Kanye West
The new jungle is still shit tier bad though.
those


Pretty fair
BrokenArrow
Oh god Syndra is by far the most broken champion in One For All.
Balls.. everywhere..

Rukario
Nofool
stupid mode really... if you'r countered you can just afk, there is no way to do something in summoner's rift to win if the other team take the advantage, the aram place is way better (lvl/gold/tf etc). I played 5 zed against 5 panth yesterday (I was in the zed's team), it was over after 5 minutes ,_,
SiFly_old
One thing that riot has done well is the initial matchmaking. I get directly placed with other plat players with an occasional diamond/gold player in my games, for all my 5 one for all games. This makes the games much more fun, gamemodes like aram in which you had to play 20 games going 18-2 or something to start getting more decent players was a terrible time and not too much fun involved vs players that don't understand the game that well.
Aoriki
I somewhat enjoy the new One for all rounds. It's kinda funny when someone decided to vote to use Lulu and we go against a full Lux team...yeeah, that didn't end pretty but I still enjoyed the laugh of turning people into cupcakes.
Rukario
Kanye West

Aoriki wrote:

I somewhat enjoy the new One for all rounds. It's kinda funny when someone decided to vote to use Lulu and we go against a full Lux team...yeeah, that didn't end pretty but I still enjoyed the laugh of turning people into cupcakes.
I don't really like 5 Lulu haha. But, it'd be pretty awesome if her ults stacked.
tyrael6192
mega-mega-mega-mega-mega-lulu
SiFly_old
Does Q still shoot from every pixie? In the previous 5x vs 5y mode Lulu was the most broken champion, since if someone planted pixie on an enemy you could just Q the enemy + enemies close 5 times every few seconds.
tiper

Well, Nau became stronger than he was before. Gonna test it on my main acc.
Top and mid lost their lanes so hard, botlane did not win so hard(~500-700g and one level advantage, but we were stronger at teamfighting, because enemy jungler was outfarmed(even if he was 3\0\1 at 10th) and outleveled.
Vulf
Sona, Nasus, and Shyvana were diamond 1 btw. Our Jinx was bronze 2. lol



Support Warwick was actually really fun. Kinda sad the relic shield line is going to get nerfed. :(
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

Sona, Nasus, and Shyvana were diamond 1 btw. Our Jinx was bronze 2. lol



Support Warwick was actually really fun. Kinda sad the relic shield line is going to get nerfed. :(
Yeah, I'm Bronze and I've been getting matched up with Golds and a Plat every now and then...
'Least in ranked, I got to face high Bronzes and low Silvers at best.
Vulf
Well my normal MMR is pretty much diamond so I'm not surprised when I get matched against them. I just thought it was funny that a bronze 2 pretty much carried a bunch of golds/plats against a team that consisted of 3 diamond 1 players. lol

Then again it was a premade 5 blind pick game. =\
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

Well my normal MMR is pretty much diamond so I'm not surprised when I get matched against them. I just thought it was funny that a bronze 2 pretty much carried a bunch of golds/plats against a team that consisted of 3 diamond 1 players. lol

Then again it was a premade 5 blind pick game. =\
Ah, I didn't notice that.
My normal MMR can't be gold-silver (or platinum) level though. =/ There's no way I'm that level in normals.
Did they change the way they match people in normals at all?

Heh, yeah, premade 5, that might explain it.

Edit:
Yeah... making no sense...
SiFly_old
Normal MMR is different than the ranked MMR. As you can see the ryze has 500 wins in normal games, 2000 ranked games played previous season. He might have started playing some normals and maybe was silver skill level. Afterwards he spammed 2k ranked games and improved to reach diamond (should be quite easy with 2k games..). His normal game MMR is still unchanged and at the old silver mmr skill level.
maal
and how can you even have "diamond normal mmr" hahahahaha that is the best joke i've ever heard
Vulf
The same way you do in ranked. By winning more games than you lose. duh.
Yes there is MMR for normals believe it or not. There has to be or else it would be way worse for players like Justykanna than it already is.

There is even a site that tells your teams average MMR during games and mine averages between high plat and diamond all the time.
http://quickfind.kassad.in/

SiFly is correct. Ranked MMR and normal MMR is not the same. They are working on a solution to this problem with being paired with gold/plat/diamonds who just troll in normals or just don't play normals enough to have a good MMR so you get matched with them this way as well. They want to make your MMR in normals go off your ranked MMR for the most part, but the problem is they don't want to punish people who rarely play ranked (like me). It's a little complicated so it probably won't be done anytime soon.
GeeNX

maal wrote:

and how can you even have "diamond normal mmr" hahahahaha that is the best joke i've ever heard
It's actually truth, but I believe that soloQ maybe it's in the formula of the "normal mmr" , but my friend had a smurf, unranked, and he got lv30 with much more wins than loses, and he got paired with high diamonds and even challengers playing normal games, and when he played with his other account , platinum one, he got matched with, like everything golds, silvers, and that stuff. I don't know if it's 100% , but well
SiFly_old

GeeNX wrote:

maal wrote:

and how can you even have "diamond normal mmr" hahahahaha that is the best joke i've ever heard
It's actually truth, but I believe that soloQ maybe it's in the formula of the "normal mmr" , but my friend had a smurf, unranked, and he got lv30 with much more wins than loses, and he got paired with high diamonds and even challengers playing normal games, and when he played with his other account , platinum one, he got matched with, like everything golds, silvers, and that stuff. I don't know if it's 100% , but well
It kinda works like that with smurfs. Only when you hit lvl 30, you'll get matched with the other lvl 30 players. This means you can get quite easily get 80% winrate in normal games towards lvl 30 if you play your normal champs.
GeeNX


GG, the final will be amazing
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

SiFly is correct. Ranked MMR and normal MMR is not the same. They are working on a solution to this problem with being paired with gold/plat/diamonds who just troll in normals or just don't play normals enough to have a good MMR so you get matched with them this way as well. They want to make your MMR in normals go off your ranked MMR for the most part, but the problem is they don't want to punish people who rarely play ranked (like me). It's a little complicated so it probably won't be done anytime soon.
Yeah but then you punish people who've been generally avoiding normals as of late. o_O It completely discourages playing them.

So they didn't change the matchmaking for normals recently? Because I wasn't getting matched with these sorta people with 3.12.

SiFly wrote:

Normal MMR is different than the ranked MMR. As you can see the ryze has 500 wins in normal games, 2000 ranked games played previous season. He might have started playing some normals and maybe was silver skill level. Afterwards he spammed 2k ranked games and improved to reach diamond (should be quite easy with 2k games..). His normal game MMR is still unchanged and at the old silver mmr skill level.
Thanks for the clarification.
Vulf
The last time they changed normal MM was when they adjusted it to take your total games into consideration along with win percentage and went off the average of the 2. They changed it because people who had like 8000 games or an extremely high win rate in normals would have to sit in queue for an hour otherwise. They changed this a long time ago so it's not recent.

The only reason I can think of why you are getting matched with higher rated players often is because it's the pre-season and people don't want to play ranked at this time. Only thing I can say is you are going to have to deal with it until they come up with a solution.

Simply changing it to reflect your ranked MMR is not a good idea because it would just encourage people to troll more because "HURR DURR IT'S JUST NORMALS" mentality people have. Having to play ranked to get decent players in normals is counter intuitive to the problem.

They are working on it just going to have to wait a bit.
maal

Vulf wrote:

The same way you do in ranked. By winning more games than you lose. duh.
Yes there is MMR for normals believe it or not. There has to be or else it would be way worse for players like Justykanna than it already is.

There is even a site that tells your teams average MMR during games and mine averages between high plat and diamond all the time.
http://quickfind.kassad.in/

SiFly is correct. Ranked MMR and normal MMR is not the same. They are working on a solution to this problem with being paired with gold/plat/diamonds who just troll in normals or just don't play normals enough to have a good MMR so you get matched with them this way as well. They want to make your MMR in normals go off your ranked MMR for the most part, but the problem is they don't want to punish people who rarely play ranked (like me). It's a little complicated so it probably won't be done anytime soon.
i dont think you get my joke

can you stop being so fucking serious and an anti-fun person all the fucking time
BrokenArrow
why so toxic
Vulf

maal wrote:

can you stop being so fucking serious and an anti-fun person all the fucking time
Wow you sound incredibly upset.

I'm sorry it bothers you so much.
Hika
errr why anger here all of a sudden

I hate going against plats and diamonds in normals because my duo partner gets intimidated, although he shouldn't. Still wishing normal and ranked MMR were the same, or similar at least.
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

The only reason I can think of why you are getting matched with higher rated players often is because it's the pre-season and people don't want to play ranked at this time.
Ahh, true. I didn't really think about that.

Putting platinum or diamond players with a Bronze still makes zero sense, lol.
Thanks for the info, Vulf.
Vulf
No problem. :)

And I agree. When I first started I did premades with my level 30 friends so I kinda know the experience. Not fun to get out right stomped at all. Hopefully it is fixed soon.
OzzyOzrock
That normal mmr thing explains so much.

I knew I was in gold.
GeeNX
mother of diamond's evelynn
silmarilen
so much lol

La Volpe
So.Much.Fun.
Navizel
best thing in one for all i guess

- O n i -
Aoriki


- u - no chance...
Cyclohexane


God bless the equalizer, o saint ultimate that will save us from the evil susans

Win baron win game: Normal Pre-S4 edition - Stealing baron with equalizer
xXtidusFRXx
All for One, we had voted a Fiddlesticks team.


CA-CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW! And then some other idiot would ulti after -_-
Kanye West

xXtidusFRXx wrote:

All for One, we had voted a Fiddlesticks team.


CA-CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW! And then some other idiot would ulti after -_-
We played against a Fiddle team with a Nautilus team. Fiddle team didn't stand a chance.
those


great times
Aoriki


I think my comment speaks for itself....
SiFly_old
The only thing you need to know about amumu that not using his Q gives a decent slow on enemies you walk towards. They somehow instantly start walking like they are drunk
Vulf
Tested out those spirit stone changes on PBE. Warwick has 100% mana without blue buff even with spamming Q on CD. Also solo'd dragon at level 4 with about 70% health. Problem is I need to fit that item into my jungle build since I usually skip jungle items all together.

Also tried fiddle with it and he can solo dragon at level 3 with 100% hp and mana. lol
Nunu might even be more OP now.

PS: Even with the cost buff to wriggles it's still a terrible item.
Cyclohexane
I'm liking these first wins I'm getting



Blitz landed like 3 grabs the entire game, but it's alright because lane focused him so I got double kill every time :^)
maal
sigh another fake mlg
tyrael6192
#jokes that only one person will get
Aoriki


Hmhm...
Nofool

tyrael6192 wrote:

#jokes that only one person will get
i don't get it ;_;
SiFly_old
I'll never get those huge 23/2 stats, my mindset is wrong.

If I win 1v1 easily, I'll go 1v2. If that works, I'll go 1v3, etc. It is more fun though trying to outplay enemies hard and trying to dodge everything
GeeNX
too fucking funny... they didn't even had a chance, get donged






showing the power of the dong with the fb & the double, damn fucking funny
Nofool

omg 5 xerath
SiFly_old

One exception, I could actually go 1v4/1v5 in this case and survive often, not your 23/2, but getting close
BrokenArrow
Wait, you can actually play One For All on the ARAM map? Did I miss that option or is that only for custom games?
Fabi
tyrael6192
back in the days when honour badges were a thing
Nofool

BrokenArrow wrote:

Wait, you can actually play One For All on the ARAM map? Did I miss that option or is that only for custom games?
Only for custom games sadly, but this is still way better than one for all on any others map...
Kanye West

GeeNX wrote:

too fucking funny... they didn't even had a chance, get donged






showing the power of the dong with the fb & the double, damn fucking funny
The dongerino is actually op as fuck in OFA haha
SiFly_old


Gragas actually worked in this :o. 4v5 win :)
Blaziken


Ezreal said "ADC" then started building like he was Teemo..
So I started building like I was a MARKSMAN.

Didn't end well..
tyrael6192
Navizel


all these one for all thingies
Jelledot
This was my latest match that I screened, today aswell, a fun 1 for all.
Vyander
someone already played one for all j4 vs j4 ? ahahahahaah
SiFly_old


And got penta on jarvan IV in the game before <3
GeeNX



Im doing what I can, Im trying as hard as I can D:
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