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Nofool

BrokenArrow wrote:

On another note, AP Ezreal's damage is actually quite crazy. :D
ez's always op...gay
Navizel

SiFly wrote:

Even without a dorans she does 50% of your hp as a support, kinda hurts. I can't play her at all though, she feels really awkward with her low range on abilities except ult and no mobility on her kit. While she has 625 autoattack range which is huge, quite strange.

She is straight forward with a lot of damage, so she should be a really strong pick in lower elo parts where actual positioning and this lower range is less of a problem. Seems she is 100% flash reliant on higher elo games.
Oh yea. When I use her as a support she does more damage (lower level not much items) than my ad partner lol
dekoe

Otonashi07 wrote:

Is Annie buffed? She's quite op right now. I don't really use Annie (bought her and refunded before) and I only got to play her 4 times so far
She hasn't exactly been buffed huge amount recently. Maybe minor improvements to her mechanics.
Annie's been the same champion, but she's picking up more play now due to her ability to shine in utility and damage I guess.
Low CDs, mana costs, good harass+combos, and an awesome stun. Makes her a good support like you've tried.

http://i.imgur.com/WzB8Acv.jpg
You should look at Annie Bot's flowchart!
Nofool
wtf, can we play as 6 now xd ?
Sapphiire_old_1

Nofool wrote:

wtf, can we play as 6 now xd ?

i dont think so , if we could there would already have been a post on reddit
Navizel

dekoe wrote:

Otonashi07 wrote:

Is Annie buffed? She's quite op right now. I don't really use Annie (bought her and refunded before) and I only got to play her 4 times so far
She hasn't exactly been buffed huge amount recently. Maybe minor improvements to her mechanics.
Annie's been the same champion, but she's picking up more play now due to her ability to shine in utility and damage I guess.
Low CDs, mana costs, good harass+combos, and an awesome stun. Makes her a good support like you've tried.

http://i.imgur.com/WzB8Acv.jpg
You should look at Annie Bot's flowchart!
Most of that is what I usually do when I go Annie but thanks for the link~
zerothefallen
It's becuase of Tabbz or w/e his name is. He was part of Royal Club and SK T1 repeatedly banned out annie support because they thought it was so strong.
Kanye West
Tabe, not Tabzz lol.
Sapphiire_old_1

Kanye West wrote:

Tabe, not Tabzz lol.

Yeah Tabzz is from LemonDogs (Eu)
Soarezi

No matter how many times i watch this, it makes me laugh everytime
Sapphiire_old_1
Tsm Bjerger King Ftw
Soarezi
Bejergerson?
burger king?
Nofool

SoG Tava wrote:

Tsm Bjerger King Ftw
they still don't have any chances to win a game against korean/taiwan etc team ,_,
BrokenArrow
Bjerger is by far the most awesome pro player for me, he's fun to watch while still being higher skilled than many other midlaners out there. I love this guy. :D

TSM might actually rise in the upcoming season with their current roasters, I always felt like Regi was their weak spot (could also be my imagination because I hate this guy lol). At least that's what I'm hoping for. :)
Sapphiire_old_1

BrokenArrow wrote:

Bjerger is by far the most awesome pro player for me, he's fun to watch while still being higher skilled than many other midlaners out there. I love this guy. :D

TSM might actually rise in the upcoming season with their current roasters, I always felt like Regi was their weak spot (could also be my imagination because I hate this guy lol). At least that's what I'm hoping for. :)

Nope it is not ure imagination Regi was definitely there weak spot , i dont say he was bad he was just not on the same level as the rest of the team
Hika
I mean, no one likes him, and he was overly aggressive in laning phase during Worlds! So glad he's retired; what a douche.
Vulf
Heads up that elo decay is still in effect until the first pre-season patch. The soft reset will be based off your MMR and decay doesn't affect that.
Hakeru
>LoL indo new patch
>Shop
>xerath 480ip
>insta buy

and the next day xerath back to 4800 ip

i love this server
SiFly_old

Vulf wrote:

Heads up that elo decay is still in effect until the first pre-season patch. The soft reset will be based off your MMR and decay doesn't affect that.
Are you sure? I don't have the timer that says 'X' days left till decay, while I am very close to 0, or already at 0 days.

EDIT: I'm inactive in league, didn't drop points or anything.
Azer

OUR CIRCLE CLICKING TEAM WILL RISE

SOONTM
Vulf

SiFly wrote:

Vulf wrote:

Heads up that elo decay is still in effect until the first pre-season patch. The soft reset will be based off your MMR and decay doesn't affect that.
Are you sure? I don't have the timer that says 'X' days left till decay, while I am very close to 0, or already at 0 days.

EDIT: I'm inactive in league, didn't drop points or anything.
I decayed last night.

If you aren't going to play during the pre-season it doesn't matter if you fall out of a division or not, because the soft reset and the placement games go off your MMR and decay doesn't effect your MMR. Not really a big deal unless you do plan on playing ranked during the pre-season. :)
Azer

holy mother of stomps
Uni
welp
GeeNX
At firsr I thought you had an open chat with yourself ;D
Blaziken
FIORA FREE WEEK.
I always wanted to try fiora.... HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN-


Naah fuck it. We only won this game because we won 1 teamfight then based raced with a such stacks many wow Nasus ripping down towers.
SiFly_old

Blaziken wrote:

Naah fuck it. We only won this game because we won 1 teamfight then based raced with a such stacks many wow Nasus ripping down towers.
That is how you always win, win a teamfight, kill the last 3-4 turrets + nexus in a charge to their base. Unless it is gold or lower, there people prefer jungling, recalling or just dance in midlane for 30s.
Nofool

SiFly wrote:

Unless it is gold or lower, there people prefer jungling, recalling or just dance in midlane for 30s.
troller spotted
Rukario
Had my first ranked provisional match, but forgot to make a screen, so this is all I got:

That Banshee's was probably the most important part of that build, since the enemy team had a very destructive Annie. It was a really intense match.
Justykanna
Patch soon (tomorrow I'm hearing?). Soooo much to read about. x.x...
Kanye West
I'm most looking forward to this change



I hope they made it hilarious
Justykanna

Kanye West wrote:

I'm most looking forward to this change



I hope they made it hilarious
I saw that... same with for Soraka...
I'm curious about them.
Navizel
Oracle will be missed </3
zerothefallen
soraka is hot as fuck
Azer
WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
Hika

Azer wrote:

WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
because league is broken that way
matches are so stupid, i got matched up with a plat 2 thresh and almost got cancer because he had shit grabs

*other news*
i got my second penta and am forever in love with cait <3

Nyquill

Kanye West wrote:

I'm most looking forward to this change



I hope they made it hilarious
whats wrong with his current one?
Azer
also hi hika
GeeNX
I think my smurf will be soon gold , Im not playing that much recently, also as long they dont change singeds laugh.

If youre a singed player spam laugh in laning phase, i didnt read whole patch, its so long....ive read a bit about supports, everything about junglers, and jungle camps and its items. Still I dont know what exactly will I build with some of them
SiFly_old

Azer wrote:

WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
Guess you were playing at some awkward time?

But even at mainstream times like 20.00-24.00 you'll get matched vs teams that are over 1 league higher or lower.. can be quite a lottery sometimes.
maal

SiFly wrote:

Azer wrote:

WTF

Our team is 5-0 plat IV and we get matched against the #1 NA 3s Challenger team.... WAT
Guess you were playing at some awkward time?

But even at mainstream times like 20.00-24.00 you'll get matched vs teams that are over 1 league higher or lower.. can be quite a lottery sometimes.
gold V team got matched with challenger #1 on euw


we were playing at 20 GMT+1 so idk how this system works nowadays
SiFly_old
Strange, atleast you can learn something from it the first minutes..


Preseason 4 arrived! Now I have to find out what masteries work, + AD masteries seems to be very nice to take on any AP champ aswell now. Just have to wait till some pro does some calculations and find out what is best and I can copy.
maal

SiFly wrote:

Strange, atleast you can learn something from it the first minutes..


Preseason 4 arrived! Now I have to find out what masteries work, + AD masteries seems to be very nice to take on any AP champ aswell now. Just have to wait till some pro does some calculations and find out what is best and I can copy.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Soarezi
i cant find patch notes anywhere or then im just dumb help plz
maal

Soarezi wrote:

i cant find patch notes anywhere or then im just dumb help plz
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8667
Soarezi

maal wrote:

Soarezi wrote:

i cant find patch notes anywhere or then im just dumb help plz
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8667
ty
Sapphiire_old_1
For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
SiFly_old

SoG Tava wrote:

For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
Started with opening the AP ones, don't like them already. Not speccing into the standard mana regen/buff duration seems odd. I guess taking the +5 AD mastery is quite strong aswell for early game trades.
Kanye West

GeeNX wrote:

I think my smurf will be soon gold , Im not playing that much recently, also as long they dont change singeds laugh.

If youre a singed player spam laugh in laning phase, i didnt read whole patch, its so long....ive read a bit about supports, everything about junglers, and jungle camps and its items. Still I dont know what exactly will I build with some of them
Yeah if they change his laugh I quit this game
Vulf

SoG Tava wrote:

For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
Couple of those setups are kinda bad. That bruiser page made me cringe so hard.

Offensive tree is only really good if you invest a lot of points into it. Defensive tree is still OP. Utility tree is extremely good for supports maybe some junglers.

The double edge sword mastery is a noob trap. I would never run that on anything except maybe an extremely high burst assassin.
Hakeru

i'll main support
now

the gold income is sooooo good
SiFly_old
After playing 2 games, my thoughts so far:

Really missing the oracle vision security and clearing vision, on the other hand as laner I really like the free ward item you get and how it provides just a 60s ward with 120s. This means you'll have to use efficiently and have map awareness of the jungler, instead of dumb warding it up.

I'll expect the competitive scene to pick up mass sweepers to still secure map vision in some areas, and I'll also except nice amounts of trolling with vision wards, wards that stay visible with 5 hit points? That means blocking thresh lanterns with wards, or even more trolling with dumping them before the enemy adc, which fails his attack move (or probably just in front of the person you try to defend, more efficient)

Support gold income is quite insane, almost would make it more worthwhile to have the 5th person be an 2nd support and share the jungle between your team, cait+sona+nunu push meta is already huge in korea, this might make it even stronger. There will be even more objective turret push focus since catching up on xp is easier aswell
tyrael6192
the more important thing tho is how shitty the new healthbars are
ew
Sapphiire_old_1

Vulf wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

For the players that dont know what masteries to take after the changes this will help http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r4lvi/season_4_mastery_survival_guide/


Note: there may be better options this is a basic to start with
Couple of those setups are kinda bad. That bruiser page made me cringe so hard.

Offensive tree is only really good if you invest a lot of points into it. Defensive tree is still OP. Utility tree is extremely good for supports maybe some junglers.

The double edge sword mastery is a noob trap. I would never run that on anything except maybe an extremely high burst assassin.
Yeah like i said it are just basic ideas ofcourse there a better ways :)
those


Still strong as ever
Vulf
If nothing gets severely nerfed during the pre-season 2-1-2 lanes will be meta and junglers won't exist. Not sure how I feel about this, but at least it's something new. :)
those
League of Targon
Kanye West
I think the whole Targon top thing is just a solo queue gimmick, won't be picked up in competitive play. Junglers bring too much to the game with regards to objective control and lane pressure.

If you run 2 top, then you don't have smite to secure objectives, or you take smite and it'll be useless for laning. You also lose dragon control and pressure on mid and bot lanes. It isn't really worth stomping toplane if midlane and botlane can play like the jungler doesn't exist.

The real reason Oddone and Xpecial won that first game was because they first blooded the enemy jungler and he was really behind. This effectively negated the early jungle pressure he would have brought and his mid and bot couldn't get ahead.
Vulf
You don't just sit top all laning phase. lol

You take your jungle buffs go top zone hard get your top laner ahead with the double targon w/e in gold and then roam and gank. It's very similar to the roaming style of season 1.
tyrael6192
it was weird as hell i played against a 2-1-2 as solo bot trist while we had double bruiser top

i don't know what's going on with this meta anymore
BrokenArrow


this is waaaay too fun
Soarezi

BrokenArrow wrote:



this is waaaay too fun
5x champs back?
BrokenArrow

Soarezi wrote:

5x champs back?


Looks like it (sorry for German client)
Soarezi

BrokenArrow wrote:

Soarezi wrote:

5x champs back?


Looks like it (sorry for German client)
WAAAAAAAT :DDDDD
Blaziken

I swear to god I hate this game.
It's never me playing good..
I can miss every skillshot and win because I get carried 24/7.
Justykanna
So I played a few normals today and my first match since 3.14 hit was with someone who wanted to duo-top lane.
The other two I had were just 1-1-2 then a jungler.

I really hope the game doesn't turn into 2-1-2. =/ Junglers add so much and... yeah... it's my second role...

Also, do supports change in how they build now? I know some supports have kits that encourage AP. Though I know Sona had some AP ratios reduced, Nami and Lulu had some AP in their kits. As a few examples anyway.
Vulf
Relic shield has already been nerfed on PBE. 2-1-2 will still be optional against some matchups but it's not going to be broken anymore.

I was excited for a new meta, but at the same time I don't think a role should be removed from viability even though the support changes pretty much removed about half of the support role champion pool from the game.
Navizel
so fun lawl
finally a somehow decent game

game way too long cause they push and we kill
Kanye West
The new jungle is still shit tier bad though.
those


Pretty fair
BrokenArrow
Oh god Syndra is by far the most broken champion in One For All.
Balls.. everywhere..

Rukario
Nofool
stupid mode really... if you'r countered you can just afk, there is no way to do something in summoner's rift to win if the other team take the advantage, the aram place is way better (lvl/gold/tf etc). I played 5 zed against 5 panth yesterday (I was in the zed's team), it was over after 5 minutes ,_,
SiFly_old
One thing that riot has done well is the initial matchmaking. I get directly placed with other plat players with an occasional diamond/gold player in my games, for all my 5 one for all games. This makes the games much more fun, gamemodes like aram in which you had to play 20 games going 18-2 or something to start getting more decent players was a terrible time and not too much fun involved vs players that don't understand the game that well.
Aoriki
I somewhat enjoy the new One for all rounds. It's kinda funny when someone decided to vote to use Lulu and we go against a full Lux team...yeeah, that didn't end pretty but I still enjoyed the laugh of turning people into cupcakes.
Rukario
Kanye West

Aoriki wrote:

I somewhat enjoy the new One for all rounds. It's kinda funny when someone decided to vote to use Lulu and we go against a full Lux team...yeeah, that didn't end pretty but I still enjoyed the laugh of turning people into cupcakes.
I don't really like 5 Lulu haha. But, it'd be pretty awesome if her ults stacked.
tyrael6192
mega-mega-mega-mega-mega-lulu
SiFly_old
Does Q still shoot from every pixie? In the previous 5x vs 5y mode Lulu was the most broken champion, since if someone planted pixie on an enemy you could just Q the enemy + enemies close 5 times every few seconds.
tiper

Well, Nau became stronger than he was before. Gonna test it on my main acc.
Top and mid lost their lanes so hard, botlane did not win so hard(~500-700g and one level advantage, but we were stronger at teamfighting, because enemy jungler was outfarmed(even if he was 3\0\1 at 10th) and outleveled.
Vulf
Sona, Nasus, and Shyvana were diamond 1 btw. Our Jinx was bronze 2. lol



Support Warwick was actually really fun. Kinda sad the relic shield line is going to get nerfed. :(
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

Sona, Nasus, and Shyvana were diamond 1 btw. Our Jinx was bronze 2. lol



Support Warwick was actually really fun. Kinda sad the relic shield line is going to get nerfed. :(
Yeah, I'm Bronze and I've been getting matched up with Golds and a Plat every now and then...
'Least in ranked, I got to face high Bronzes and low Silvers at best.
Vulf
Well my normal MMR is pretty much diamond so I'm not surprised when I get matched against them. I just thought it was funny that a bronze 2 pretty much carried a bunch of golds/plats against a team that consisted of 3 diamond 1 players. lol

Then again it was a premade 5 blind pick game. =\
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

Well my normal MMR is pretty much diamond so I'm not surprised when I get matched against them. I just thought it was funny that a bronze 2 pretty much carried a bunch of golds/plats against a team that consisted of 3 diamond 1 players. lol

Then again it was a premade 5 blind pick game. =\
Ah, I didn't notice that.
My normal MMR can't be gold-silver (or platinum) level though. =/ There's no way I'm that level in normals.
Did they change the way they match people in normals at all?

Heh, yeah, premade 5, that might explain it.

Edit:
Yeah... making no sense...
SiFly_old
Normal MMR is different than the ranked MMR. As you can see the ryze has 500 wins in normal games, 2000 ranked games played previous season. He might have started playing some normals and maybe was silver skill level. Afterwards he spammed 2k ranked games and improved to reach diamond (should be quite easy with 2k games..). His normal game MMR is still unchanged and at the old silver mmr skill level.
maal
and how can you even have "diamond normal mmr" hahahahaha that is the best joke i've ever heard
Vulf
The same way you do in ranked. By winning more games than you lose. duh.
Yes there is MMR for normals believe it or not. There has to be or else it would be way worse for players like Justykanna than it already is.

There is even a site that tells your teams average MMR during games and mine averages between high plat and diamond all the time.
http://quickfind.kassad.in/

SiFly is correct. Ranked MMR and normal MMR is not the same. They are working on a solution to this problem with being paired with gold/plat/diamonds who just troll in normals or just don't play normals enough to have a good MMR so you get matched with them this way as well. They want to make your MMR in normals go off your ranked MMR for the most part, but the problem is they don't want to punish people who rarely play ranked (like me). It's a little complicated so it probably won't be done anytime soon.
GeeNX

maal wrote:

and how can you even have "diamond normal mmr" hahahahaha that is the best joke i've ever heard
It's actually truth, but I believe that soloQ maybe it's in the formula of the "normal mmr" , but my friend had a smurf, unranked, and he got lv30 with much more wins than loses, and he got paired with high diamonds and even challengers playing normal games, and when he played with his other account , platinum one, he got matched with, like everything golds, silvers, and that stuff. I don't know if it's 100% , but well
SiFly_old

GeeNX wrote:

maal wrote:

and how can you even have "diamond normal mmr" hahahahaha that is the best joke i've ever heard
It's actually truth, but I believe that soloQ maybe it's in the formula of the "normal mmr" , but my friend had a smurf, unranked, and he got lv30 with much more wins than loses, and he got paired with high diamonds and even challengers playing normal games, and when he played with his other account , platinum one, he got matched with, like everything golds, silvers, and that stuff. I don't know if it's 100% , but well
It kinda works like that with smurfs. Only when you hit lvl 30, you'll get matched with the other lvl 30 players. This means you can get quite easily get 80% winrate in normal games towards lvl 30 if you play your normal champs.
GeeNX


GG, the final will be amazing
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

SiFly is correct. Ranked MMR and normal MMR is not the same. They are working on a solution to this problem with being paired with gold/plat/diamonds who just troll in normals or just don't play normals enough to have a good MMR so you get matched with them this way as well. They want to make your MMR in normals go off your ranked MMR for the most part, but the problem is they don't want to punish people who rarely play ranked (like me). It's a little complicated so it probably won't be done anytime soon.
Yeah but then you punish people who've been generally avoiding normals as of late. o_O It completely discourages playing them.

So they didn't change the matchmaking for normals recently? Because I wasn't getting matched with these sorta people with 3.12.

SiFly wrote:

Normal MMR is different than the ranked MMR. As you can see the ryze has 500 wins in normal games, 2000 ranked games played previous season. He might have started playing some normals and maybe was silver skill level. Afterwards he spammed 2k ranked games and improved to reach diamond (should be quite easy with 2k games..). His normal game MMR is still unchanged and at the old silver mmr skill level.
Thanks for the clarification.
Vulf
The last time they changed normal MM was when they adjusted it to take your total games into consideration along with win percentage and went off the average of the 2. They changed it because people who had like 8000 games or an extremely high win rate in normals would have to sit in queue for an hour otherwise. They changed this a long time ago so it's not recent.

The only reason I can think of why you are getting matched with higher rated players often is because it's the pre-season and people don't want to play ranked at this time. Only thing I can say is you are going to have to deal with it until they come up with a solution.

Simply changing it to reflect your ranked MMR is not a good idea because it would just encourage people to troll more because "HURR DURR IT'S JUST NORMALS" mentality people have. Having to play ranked to get decent players in normals is counter intuitive to the problem.

They are working on it just going to have to wait a bit.
maal

Vulf wrote:

The same way you do in ranked. By winning more games than you lose. duh.
Yes there is MMR for normals believe it or not. There has to be or else it would be way worse for players like Justykanna than it already is.

There is even a site that tells your teams average MMR during games and mine averages between high plat and diamond all the time.
http://quickfind.kassad.in/

SiFly is correct. Ranked MMR and normal MMR is not the same. They are working on a solution to this problem with being paired with gold/plat/diamonds who just troll in normals or just don't play normals enough to have a good MMR so you get matched with them this way as well. They want to make your MMR in normals go off your ranked MMR for the most part, but the problem is they don't want to punish people who rarely play ranked (like me). It's a little complicated so it probably won't be done anytime soon.
i dont think you get my joke

can you stop being so fucking serious and an anti-fun person all the fucking time
BrokenArrow
why so toxic
Vulf

maal wrote:

can you stop being so fucking serious and an anti-fun person all the fucking time
Wow you sound incredibly upset.

I'm sorry it bothers you so much.
Hika
errr why anger here all of a sudden

I hate going against plats and diamonds in normals because my duo partner gets intimidated, although he shouldn't. Still wishing normal and ranked MMR were the same, or similar at least.
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

The only reason I can think of why you are getting matched with higher rated players often is because it's the pre-season and people don't want to play ranked at this time.
Ahh, true. I didn't really think about that.

Putting platinum or diamond players with a Bronze still makes zero sense, lol.
Thanks for the info, Vulf.
Vulf
No problem. :)

And I agree. When I first started I did premades with my level 30 friends so I kinda know the experience. Not fun to get out right stomped at all. Hopefully it is fixed soon.
OzzyOzrock
That normal mmr thing explains so much.

I knew I was in gold.
GeeNX
mother of diamond's evelynn
silmarilen
so much lol

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