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f i z i k
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f i z i k

Vulf wrote:

Diamond 1 and challenger are the people that were diamond in season 2 maybe some high plat. Remember there was only about 600 people in diamond in season 2. Everything under diamond 1 is pretty much gold and silver players from the previous season.
The only annoying thing is that its become worthless to try to get to diamond for people from diamond from season 2. I made an effort to get diamond in season 2 and felt very proud of my achievement but I just feel like with s3 being everyone having diamond,my achievement has just been eradicated. The only realistic thing I couldve tried was challenger but the endless grinding wasnt worth it. So basically Riot created a ranked system which has a gap for the 600 players from diamond in season 2, which made 90% of the season for me just random funtrolling in soloQ. Diamond too easy,challenger too annoying. But welp,players get better and so on but I dont think these many people belong to the 2nd highest rated league in this game.

Oh and yeah,most of the complaining by people like me is just about butthurt egos,so I should punch myself for being a dick. :D
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX
Im not going to deny that climbing this seasom was easier but, divisions I and V, riot fucked up there. Anyways, you can't compqre how much people plays League now and last year, its normal that there are more diamomds and so, just look at how many silvers are, thats fucking crazy. Anyways, diamond now is not ghat...."important" as it was before but well, too mucj people playing League.

Riot pls
SiFly_old
0 posts
Joined April 2013
SiFly_old
- Sona
- Xin (3v3)
- Gragas
- Miss fortune (before whole nerf to death because black cleaver OP)


I agree aswell that plat/diamond should be made harder to reach, maybe a variable mmr necessary to reach certain division, increasing over time as the season continues to only let X% players into certain leagues/divisions. Even strict % values for every 25 lp range in diamond to prevent the whole D1 issue in which clamping was too big by spreading it over D2-5.
maal
maal
i just feel that whenever people whine about it being easier to climb and "too many" diamonds, its either because 1) its the old diamond players that arent THAT SUPER special anymore, even though they are super special or 2) lower elo players are mad because they cant climb and become diamond


i honestly get sick when i see people complain about how "easy" it is to climb
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

SiFly wrote:

- Sona
- Xin (3v3)
- Gragas
- Miss fortune (before whole nerf to death because black cleaver OP)


I agree aswell that plat/diamond should be made harder to reach, maybe a variable mmr necessary to reach certain division, increasing over time as the season continues to only let X% players into certain leagues/divisions. Even strict % values for every 25 lp range in diamond to prevent the whole D1 issue in which clamping was too big by spreading it over D2-5.
Agree!


Challenger will have more slots next season.

They have added a new level with each season.
Beta was just a ladder afaik
Season one only went up to plat
Season two diamond was added
Season 3 challenger was added and it was kinda abusable at the end lol. Also 3v3 has been incredibly abusable since early season 2 and was never fixed for some reason.

Honestly they should just get rid of the whole tier system it's pretty stupid. No one cares if you are gold 5 or gold 1 because it's all the same in the end. The bottom of bronze and the top of diamond is all that really means anything when it comes to tiers.
maal
maal
i wish i was bronze
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

maal wrote:

i wish i was bronze

Why do u Wish u where Bronze ? Believe me u don't want to .
Seikunai
124 posts
Joined July 2013
Seikunai
I am Silver right now. In PH that is.

Working my way up, at at least Gold. I want to get Victorious Elise skin.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Seikunai wrote:

I am Silver right now. In PH that is.

Working my way up, at at least Gold. I want to get Victorious Elise skin.

I am sorry to disapoint u but u are already to late for that :/
maal
maal

SoG Tava wrote:

maal wrote:

i wish i was bronze

Why do u Wish u where Bronze ? Believe me u don't want to .
ofc i do

i want to be able to go brand adc without anyone flaming (get it?)


but no really i do so much more fun in lower elo
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
Yeah ok i get ure point but believe me they still will flame u if u take adc brand :p
psKirika
81 posts
Joined November 2012
psKirika

maal wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

Why do u Wish u where Bronze ? Believe me u don't want to .
ofc i do

i want to be able to go brand adc without anyone flaming (get it?)


but no really i do so much more fun in lower elo
You can always try unconventional stuff in normals wiithout causing any negative consequences for others, if you didn't know that.
maal
maal

psKirika wrote:

You can always try unconventional stuff in normals wiithout causing any negative consequences for others, if you didn't know that.
what is this "normals" you speak of
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

SoG Tava wrote:

Why do u Wish u where Bronze ? Believe me u don't want to .
Some people find it fun to play against people significantly lesser skilled than them apparently...
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX
Is that hard to get the ELO system back? Geez
Jordan
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Joined December 2010
Jordan


I love that champ

Ignore the crap farm
Soarezi
Soarezi
Lower elo is so dumb. They act like they're so amazing, blaming you 24/7 calling you out, when in reality they're fucking dogshit themselves. oh gawd never again low elo
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX

Jordan wrote:



I love that champ

Ignore the crap farm
no dfg with the donger? gg
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Soarezi wrote:

Lower elo is so dumb. They act like they're so amazing, blaming you 24/7 calling you out, when in reality they're fucking dogshit themselves. oh gawd never again low elo
That's kinda insulting. =/
I'm a Bronze player and that is no where close to my attitude in the game.

That being said, some people do like to say something along the lines of 'you're not good at the game' in ranked... I usually come up with something along the lines of 'you're playing with Silver and Bronze players... you can't be that good yourself if you're here with us'. That usually shuts them right up, even if they're only joking around.
I actually had one guy say 'Nah, I don't belong here, I'm really good'. That was interesting... He went Jungle-Jarvan IV ... wasn't 'bad', but there were some decisions he/she made that just... weren't good ones.
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan

GeeNX wrote:

Jordan wrote:



I love that champ

Ignore the crap farm
no dfg with the donger? gg
Is it a good item on him? idk i dont think of him as an assassin type
- O n i -
138 posts
Joined December 2012
- O n i -
they listened
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Justykanna wrote:

Soarezi wrote:

Lower elo is so dumb. They act like they're so amazing, blaming you 24/7 calling you out, when in reality they're fucking dogshit themselves. oh gawd never again low elo
That's kinda insulting. =/
I'm a Bronze player and that is no where close to my attitude in the game.

That being said, some people do like to say something along the lines of 'you're not good at the game' in ranked... I usually come up with something along the lines of 'you're playing with Silver and Bronze players... you can't be that good yourself if you're here with us'. That usually shuts them right up, even if they're only joking around.
I actually had one guy say 'Nah, I don't belong here, I'm really good'. That was interesting... He went Jungle-Jarvan IV ... wasn't 'bad', but there were some decisions he/she made that just... weren't good ones.

Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
SiFly_old
0 posts
Joined April 2013
SiFly_old
Isn't that hard to reach gold, basically involves not randomly blindly running towards something.

This said about mechanics, i've seens bronze IV with equal mechanics as me as plat player. What they did wrong? stupid mistakes, using an ability and afterwards staying in range and that kind of stuff.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

SiFly wrote:

Isn't that hard to reach gold, basically involves not randomly blindly running towards something.

This said about mechanics, i've seens bronze IV with equal mechanics as me as plat player. What they did wrong? stupid mistakes, using an ability and afterwards staying in range and that kind of stuff.
Well yeah i think i am one of those players i almost always stomp players in lane ect but after i make stupid mistakes i need to learn to play more focused not like lalala i am fed i can kill everybody lalalal no i need to be more like ok i am fed we can take objectifs push towers then do a teamfight ect
Hakeru
2,360 posts
Joined May 2010
Hakeru
somebody please teach me how to play Riven properly , Thanks <3
Sapphiire_old_1
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Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Hakeru wrote:

somebody please teach me how to play Riven properly , Thanks <3

http://www.lolking.net/guides/106145

This will help you alot :)
psKirika
81 posts
Joined November 2012
psKirika

SiFly wrote:

Isn't that hard to reach gold, basically involves not randomly blindly running towards something.

This said about mechanics, i've seens bronze IV with equal mechanics as me as plat player. What they did wrong? stupid mistakes, using an ability and afterwards staying in range and that kind of stuff.
Even if they have the same mechanics, the game is WAY more complicated than that bro. Skill difference isn't only because of mechanic difference. It isn't only about making stupid mistakes and stuff like that.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

psKirika wrote:

SiFly wrote:

Isn't that hard to reach gold, basically involves not randomly blindly running towards something.

This said about mechanics, i've seens bronze IV with equal mechanics as me as plat player. What they did wrong? stupid mistakes, using an ability and afterwards staying in range and that kind of stuff.
Even if they have the same mechanics, the game is WAY more complicated than that bro. Skill difference isn't only because of mechanic difference. It isn't only about making stupid mistakes and stuff like that.
I agree with u on that its also about reaction time , decision making and manny more
Nofool
Elite Mapper
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Nofool

Jordan wrote:

Is it a good item on him? idk i dont think of him as an assassin type
u don't need any item to feed kill on the "donger" hue
you can burst with w and e now so yeah dfg could work well. also dfg doesn't mean assassin, it's just a burst item (ofc most of the char who can burst are assassin...)
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

SoG Tava wrote:

Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
Playing normals over ranked doesn't matter, because I only have 80 total ranked games with season 2 and 3 combined and I still got gold very easily in season 3. Normals are supposed to prepare you for ranked by the way. Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.

As already mentioned people in bronze lack mechanics and have poor decision making. Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all. I've seen some of my friends that are bronze all in against stuff like Riven as Singed or Yi at level 2 and feed horribly and they don't understand why they died and lost that lane. There is also stuff like proper itemization (when to build this or that) that causes them to not do well, but that's not only limited to bronze because I see diamond players itemize terribly all the time. It's just more extreme in bronze. lol

If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role. I really don't get why people try to be so diverse with their champion pool if they are under diamond. I only play one champion in ranked and it very rarely put me at a disadvantage. Even pros like Dyrus and a few others have said it's best to just spam 1 or 2 champions to get to diamond and then branch out from there.
Sapphiire_old_1
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Joined July 2013
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:arrow:

Vulf wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
Playing normals over ranked doesn't matter, because I only have 80 total ranked games with season 2 and 3 combined and I still got gold very easily in season 3. Normals are supposed to prepare you for ranked by the way. Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.

As already mentioned people in bronze lack mechanics and have poor decision making. Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all. I've seen some of my friends that are bronze all in against stuff like Riven as Singed or Yi at level 2 and feed horribly and they don't understand why they died and lost that lane. There is also stuff like proper itemization (when to build this or that) that causes them to not do well, but that's not only limited to bronze because I see diamond players itemize terribly all the time. It's just more extreme in bronze. lol

If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role. I really don't get why people try to be so diverse with their champion pool if they are under diamond. I only play one champion in ranked and it very rarely put me at a disadvantage. Even pros like Dyrus and a few others have said it's best to just spam 1 or 2 champions to get to diamond and then branch out from there.

Mhh i see its better to go with 1 champ he well i guess ill go main riven she is fun to play and when is see pro players streaming and they play riven they just stomp other people they also say that riven is one of the best solo Q champs i guess i will go like this:

Top: Riven/jax
Mid:Kassadin/gragas
Jungle: lee sin /elise
Adc:Vayne/cait
Supp:Sona/thresh
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

SoG Tava wrote:

Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
I actually haven't played anything but ranked lately, lol.

SoG Tava wrote:

I agree with u on that its also about reaction time , decision making and manny more
Yeah, my reaction time needs serious work. D=

Vulf wrote:

Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.
I don't get why either - people treat normals like they mean zero.

Vulf wrote:

Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all.
I was actually told that matchups don't really matter at such a low level.

Vulf wrote:

If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role.
Yeah, I then was told that. lol.
Top: Gangplank (apparently people REALLY don't like me playing him for whatever reason...), Garen
Jungle: Maokai, Xin Zhao
Mid: Talon, Galio
ADC: Sivir
Support: Nami
I need a backup ADC and support... D=
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Justykanna wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
I actually haven't played anything but ranked lately, lol.

SoG Tava wrote:

I agree with u on that its also about reaction time , decision making and manny more
Yeah, my reaction time needs serious work. D=

Vulf wrote:

Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.
I don't get why either - people treat normals like they mean zero.

Vulf wrote:

Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all.
I was actually told that matchups don't really matter at such a low level.

Vulf wrote:

If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role.
Yeah, I then was told that. lol.
Top: Gangplank (apparently people REALLY don't like me playing him for whatever reason...), Garen
Jungle: Maokai, Xin Zhao
Mid: Talon, Galio
ADC: Sivir
Support: Nami
I need a backup ADC and support... D=

play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever

matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone
Soarezi
Soarezi
aaalrighty then, the enemy team threw the end so hard. they all tanked nexus turrets and i just went there and finished them GEGE
those
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Joined November 2010
those
Matchup is the instance of one or more champion(s) versus another. You can have good, equal, or bad matchups.

At every level of play, people will try to counter pick. Only at the higher levels will it actually matter; in order to outmatch the enemy by counterpicking it is assumed skill is already high enough from both sides.
maal
maal

SoG Tava wrote:

play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
idk that's your opinion really. sona is faceroll on keyboard sure, but can you time the proper power chord for your adc and you to win the trade? do you know when to ult so you actually secure a kill for your adc?

cait surely has the longest range in the whole game, but saying she's "not hard to play" is an underestatement. i honestly think she's hard to play, i have no clue why. call me bad or whatever, but i think cait is pretty hard.
Sapphiire_old_1
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Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

maal wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
idk that's your opinion really. sona is faceroll on keyboard sure, but can you time the proper power chord for your adc and you to win the trade? do you know when to ult so you actually secure a kill for your adc?

cait surely has the longest range in the whole game, but saying she's "not hard to play" is an underestatement. i honestly think she's hard to play, i have no clue why. call me bad or whatever, but i think cait is pretty hard.
Well if u look it that way every champ is hard to play , u still need to practice of course
GeeNX
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Joined June 2012
GeeNX
If you do main adc caitlyn is not hard, but if you main something else and you don't know how to make Caitlyn worth (like me) then don't pick her.
psKirika
81 posts
Joined November 2012
psKirika

tyrael6192 wrote:

i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever

matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone

This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
Justykanna
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Joined April 2011
Justykanna
I step away from my computer for half an hour and there's like... five more posts here... D=

SoG Tava wrote:

play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
I've actually tried both and didn't like either. =/
Didn't like Caitlyn's kit at all. Her ultimate's easily blocked by someone else, her Q keeps her in one spot for a short time. I like Sivir because she's mobile, she has a defensive option (her spell shield) and her Q takes zero time to launch and people can't dodge it (which makes it super fun). I loved her before the rework.

Sona... ehhh... I don't feel like she has enough to protect her ADC. Nami has a stun, slow, heal, poke and wide-range, long-range ultimate slow. Then her passive.

SoG Tava wrote:

Well if u look it that way every champ is hard to play , u still need to practice of course
At least for ADC, I need someone mobile. I considered Lucian but I heard he's underpowered.
Support, I need someone who can poke and protect the ADC really well and I just find Nami's best for that.

tyrael6192 wrote:

i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever

psKirika wrote:

This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
I thought that you were suppose to counter-pick all the time (I have friends who watch pros while I do not) but wasn't told until late that matchups matter less at Bronze level. I'll worry about matchups when I start to rank up, but at Bronze, I don't care... yet.

I mean, if I see a Pantheon, I'm not gonna pick my main (Gangplank).
That reminds me, why do people hate Gangplank so much? o_O

I've seen a lot of Vayne banning lately. I guess she's popular?
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psKirika
81 posts
Joined November 2012
psKirika

Justykanna wrote:

I step away from my computer for half an hour and there's like... five more posts here... D=

SoG Tava wrote:

play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
I've actually tried both and didn't like either. =/
Didn't like Caitlyn's kit at all. Her ultimate's easily blocked by someone else, her Q keeps her in one spot for a short time. I like Sivir because she's mobile and her Q takes zero time to launch and people can't dodge it (which makes it super fun). I loved her before the rework.

Sona... ehhh... I don't feel like she has enough to protect her ADC. Nami has a stun, slow, heal, poke and wide-range, long-range ultimate slow. Then her passive.

SoG Tava wrote:

Well if u look it that way every champ is hard to play , u still need to practice of course
At least for ADC, I need someone mobile. I considered Lucian but I heard he's underpowered.
Support, I need someone who can poke and protect the ADC really well and I just find Nami's best for that.

tyrael6192 wrote:

i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever

psKirika wrote:

This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
I thought that you were suppose to counter-pick all the time (I have friends who watch pros while I do not) but wasn't told until late that matchups matter less at Bronze level. I'll worry about matchups when I start to rank up, but at Bronze, I don't care... yet.

I mean, if I see a Pantheon, I'm not gonna pick my main (Gangplank).
That reminds me, why do people hate Gangplank so much? o_O

I've seen a lot of Vayne banning lately. I guess she's popular?
Vayne is banned because she's basically the strongest adc duelist late game and can carry hard alone. For example, 1 item Vayne = 2 item Cait etc.

The thing is though, she usually has a horrible laning phrase versus most adc's, and when I see a enemy first pick vayne, I can feel the LP just cash in as I know I'm usually able to crush bot lane.
Kanye West
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Joined July 2011
Kanye West
Pff...not with a halfway decent support. Any vayne I support is absolutely huge coming out of laning phase...and proceeds to throw by trying and failing to 1v4. Why does every vayne player think they're doublelift lol
those
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Joined November 2010
those
hi im gosu

Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/c ... out-sheath

any thoughts?

also
SPOILER
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX
I don't play adc, but when I do, I'm Doublelift
Nofool
Elite Mapper
1,108 posts
Joined February 2011
Nofool
I always play adc, but I'm never like Doublelift
#vayne dying 1v4
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
The first 2 games I played Caitlyn in ranked I stole a dragon with my Q without having it warded. Felt so good :D
At the same time those were the first dragon steals I've ever done. Still lost the game :/
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192

psKirika wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever

matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone

This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
a skilled and practiced vayne destroys a championselect.net hero who plays a mediocre caitlyn

but the point is if you're climbing and playing one champion you're good at you will inadvertently come up against your counters and 50%+ of the time you will beat them anyway because they prioritize "lol counter them easy gg" over knowing a champion

this applies less to bot lane because of weird synergies and shit but solo lanes? always
maal
maal

Nofool wrote:

I always play adc, but I'm never like Doublelift
#vayne dying 1v4
no ur the #vayne killing 1v4



anyway what tyrael says is somewhat true

thing is championselect.net and all these websites only take LANING phase into account


caitlyn vayne's hardest counter? ask them when they both have full items at 40 min mark

a bad vayne can even kill a mediocre caitlyn
Kanye West
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Joined July 2011
Kanye West

maal wrote:

Nofool wrote:

I always play adc, but I'm never like Doublelift
#vayne dying 1v4
no ur the #vayne killing 1v4



anyway what tyrael says is somewhat true

thing is championselect.net and all these websites only take LANING phase into account


caitlyn vayne's hardest counter? ask them when they both have full items at 40 min mark

a bad vayne can even kill a mediocre caitlyn

But see, by your logic, Nasus counters every toplaner. Vayne obviously scales harder than Cait, but that's not what we're discussing.

I wouldn't say Cait is Vayne's hardest counter but in a Cait and Vayne matchup of equal skill and equally competent supports, the Cait should have a pretty sizable CS lead coming out of laning phase.

The hardest counter to Vayne is team coordination, gapclosers, CC, AS reduction, and oracles/pink wards. Same as any AD Carry actually. The reason Vayne is so strong in solo queue is that nobody has any coordination so you can skirmish your way to win. Whereas, in competitive play, when Vayne is picked, there needs to be a team comp built around her.
maal
maal
when did i say nasus counters everyone

i didnt talk about cs stacks

tell me someone who can counter nasus late game who has infinite stacks? noone
GeeNX
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Veigar with infinite stacks
Kanye West
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My point being, we were talking about the laning phase and you were talking about lategame scaling.

Lategame scaling is irrelevant if you can never get there.
maal
maal
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psKirika
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@tyrael

Yeyeye i get your point.

Just saying, I'm not a medicore caitlyn. Plus, If both are equally skilled, caitlyn will have a noticeably large cs lead. As Kayne said.

On phone, to lazy to argument
tyrael6192
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i'm not arguing for anything i know nothing about this game

i think the general point i wanna make to justykanna is don't force yourself to play a champion you're not familiar with just to counter someone in a solo lane because the majority of the time you'll contribute more to the game by playing someone you know and understand

obviously if we take this to "i know every champion in the game because i am diamond" level then yeah counter away because you're more or less equally reliable no matter what champ you play and you're not sacrificing anything by picking a counter
Justykanna
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Justykanna

Kanye West wrote:

Why does every vayne player think they're doublelift lol
Doublelift the name of a player I'm guessing?

Otonashi07 wrote:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/c ... out-sheath

any thoughts?
I'm actually really excited to see that one. I've never been overly excited for a new champion, but this one sounds cool. =)

Kanye West wrote:

But see, by your logic, Nasus counters every toplaner.
I actually didn't see Nasus get any (litterally) banned votes in ranked until two weeks ago, and then EVERY game had a him banned. Anyone know why? =/ I don't get it! lol.

tyrael6192 wrote:

i think the general point i wanna make to justykanna is don't force yourself to play a champion you're not familiar with just to counter someone in a solo lane because the majority of the time you'll contribute more to the game by playing someone you know and understand
Thank you for clarifying! =)
Hika
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Hika
I don't know why but every time I see an Ezreal player, I like to assume they're all dicks. Don't know why, but Ezreal seems like a real huge dick.

Like his champion picture.. his smug, prick face. too good.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Justykanna wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Why does every vayne player think they're doublelift lol
Doublelift the name of a player I'm guessing?
justykanna pls

Vulf
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Vulf
If you don't know how to play the champion that counters something and you pick it expecting to have an auto win in lane you are going to have a bad time. I've picked Warwick into horrible things before and still won my lane because I was simply better than the other person and vice-versa.

There was a hidden nasus nerf on pbe. Life Steal is now 10% instead of 14% early game. Keep em coming. probably won't be nerfed more until after they make money from his new skin though.
Justykanna
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Justykanna

Kanye West wrote:

justykanna pls
Please what?

Vulf wrote:

There was a hidden nasus nerf on pbe. Life Steal is now 10% instead of 14% early game. Keep em coming. probably won't be nerfed more until after they make money from his new skin though.
How does that explain why he's been getting banned left and right, now?
Vulf
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Vulf
Nasus will get nerfed for the same reason Warwick got nerfed (actually gutted) in season 2. He is immovable in lane and that is stupid and not fun to play against. He is a very strong late game champion that has probably the easiest early game to get there and that is a problem. Everything that used to straight up destroy him in lane has been nerfed. Also the new dorans shield made a lot of stuff with built in sustain really strong.

Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
Sapphiire_old_1
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@ Vulf can u post me ure lolking ? i want to see how u build ure Warwick
maal
maal

Vulf wrote:

Nasus will get nerfed for the same reason Warwick got nerfed (actually gutted) in season 2. He is immovable in lane and that is stupid and not fun to play against. He is a very strong late game champion that has probably the easiest early game to get there and that is a problem. Everything that used to straight up destroy him in lane has been nerfed. Also the new dorans shield made a lot of stuff with built in sustain really strong.

Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
forget the shield

double dorans ring is way stronger on him

9 mana after each kill + 6 mana regen and his q only costs 20 mana


thats a nasus thatll never feel the need to come out of lane
Sapphiire_old_1
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maal wrote:

Vulf wrote:

Nasus will get nerfed for the same reason Warwick got nerfed (actually gutted) in season 2. He is immovable in lane and that is stupid and not fun to play against. He is a very strong late game champion that has probably the easiest early game to get there and that is a problem. Everything that used to straight up destroy him in lane has been nerfed. Also the new dorans shield made a lot of stuff with built in sustain really strong.

Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
forget the shield

double dorans ring is way stronger on him

9 mana after each kill + 6 mana regen and his q only costs 20 mana


thats a nasus thatll never feel the need to come out of lane
Wow actually thats a pretty good idea , i wonder why i never see pro players do that :/
Shimy
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Shimy
nasus has low mana problems if you play him right =.=
Vulf
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Vulf
Probably because building mana regen on a champion that doesn't have mana problems is why. You are spending 800 gold on stats you don't need other than the 120 health. Dorans shield gives everything he wants for almost half that price 100 health 13 reduced damage from AA's (if you go defense tree masteries) and health regen that stacks well with his passive. Mana issues are the least of his worries.

lolking: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23350782#history

Haven't really been playing league much lately because I'm bored with how stagnant season 3 has become. Match History is mostly Dominion, Arams and bot games lol.

Been playing a ton of Smite instead. :)
Sapphiire_old_1
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Vulf wrote:

Probably because building mana regen on a champion that doesn't have mana problems is why. You are spending 800 gold on stats you don't need other than the 120 health. Dorans shield gives everything he wants for almost half that price 100 health 13 reduced damage from AA's (if you go defense tree masteries) and health regen that stacks well with his passive. Mana issues are the least of his worries.

lolking: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23350782#history

Haven't really been playing league much lately because I'm bored with how stagnant season 3 has become. Match History is mostly Dominion, Arams and bot games lol.

Been playing a ton of Smite instead. :)

also why u decide to main Warwick ? the only other guy i know that does that ore did was Guardsman Bob
maal
maal
jfc
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SiFly_old
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Something for those people what say they need better reaction times, you've easily good enough reaction times if you play osu!. 99% of the time it is not about the reaction, but knowing that the enemy will do X or Y and knowing what you have to do to counter it. Quite easy to dodge nidalee spears if you know they are incoming? That is the same for most other abilities though some are a bit harder to get used to. Especially with champions that have some dodge ability allow you to dodge basically every skillshot if you know the enemy will use it. How do you know he will use it? Think about what you do in his situation.

Vulf wrote:

If you don't know how to play the champion that counters something and you pick it expecting to have an auto win in lane you are going to have a bad time. I've picked Warwick into horrible things before and still won my lane because I was simply better than the other person and vice-versa.
Quite funny with a champion that has no skillshots or something that really involves counterplay ;)

Shimy wrote:

nasus has low mana problems if you play him right =.=
He has enough to use his Q 24/7. The main goal is not to use his W/E since it will drain your mana. Indeed he doesn't need additional mana regen and he gets enough initial mana by building the glacial shroud/sheen items
Vulf
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SoG Tava wrote:

also why u decide to main Warwick ? the only other guy i know that does that ore did was Guardsman Bob
Warwick is the reason I started playing League in the first place. At the time I was looking for a game that had an interesting werewolf character and LoL was my only decent option. To keep it short I really enjoy his theme. Warwick will always be my main. :)
Sapphiire_old_1
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Srsly Riot ? Ure Servers are so Unstable Almost every day i see on reddit Euw is having issues u may have connection issues , but oh well i can deal with that but now u ban me because ure servers are unstable ? sigh GG WP Riot


Vulf wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

also why u decide to main Warwick ? the only other guy i know that does that ore did was Guardsman Bob
Warwick is the reason I started playing League in the first place. At the time I was looking for a game that had an interesting werewolf character and LoL was my only decent option. To keep it short I really enjoy his theme. Warwick will always be my main. :)
If u like Werewolf's so Much and if u maybe like Shooters i higly recomand u to play Wolfteam :)
silmarilen
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silmarilen
what does ure mean?
Sapphiire_old_1
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Sapphiire_old_1

silmarilen wrote:

what does ure mean?

ure is a shortening word
SiFly_old
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SiFly_old
He probably means YOUR, which you can shorten with you=u to ur. His ure, is the wrong you're into ure.
BrokenArrow
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BrokenArrow
Got another pentakill with Zed today, he's still so strong once you got used to his changes. :)
I actually like his new ult much more than the old one because you are able to disengage much smoother. You don't need the extra Q from the shadow to kill squishy targets in endgame anyways, just the slower travel speed is a pain in the ass. :v
Navizel
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Navizel


been months since I last played Kat and game was 4v5 (lux reconnected way too late). Kat still quite op in 1v1
Justykanna
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Justykanna

Otonashi07 wrote:



been months since I last played Kat and game was 4v5 (lux reconnected way too late). Kat still quite op in 1v1
Heh.
Reminds me of a 4v5 game I had a week or two ago.

ADC never connected so we started freaking out a little because we didn't have a ton of damage.
Shaco mid vs Shyvana, he got demolished.
Riven wasn't making the best choices against me, top.
And their jungler didn't gank all that much... when did he always sat where wards were planted.

After laning phase, we just kept stacking ultimates and they kept stacking on each other. I intiate, Sona stuns, Hecarim fears. And even the Shyvana somewhere in there wasn't bad. Was absolutely hilarious to watch.
Kanye West
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You guys who want to pick up a midlaner: try midalee. Holy christ she is so op, and fun. Landing 1 skillshot to almost 100-0 someone is hella op
GeeNX
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GeeNX


So.... we just won the GoEs4LoL, I am so happy with my team now :)
Vulf
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Vulf

Kanye West wrote:

You guys who want to pick up a midlaner: try midalee. Holy christ she is so op, and fun. Landing 1 skillshot to almost 100-0 someone is hella op
and that is why she is getting nerfed and reworked in season 4.
maal
maal
SPOILER

playing on eune and this happens
Neroh
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Neroh
No idea if anyone has posted this to here yet, but Riot posted some more info about S4 about an hour ago, looking pretty good.
http://preseason.na.leagueoflegends.com ... eflow.html
JesusYamato
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JesusYamato

From gold2 to diamond5 in 2weeks, around 50games, went around 42-8.
Also i'm apparently top 10 cassiopeia world this week.
I can quit this game now.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

maal wrote:

SPOILER

playing on eune and this happens
EUNE challenger is NA bronze 5 kappa
maal
maal

Kanye West wrote:

maal wrote:

SPOILER

playing on eune and this happens
EUNE challenger is NA bronze 5 kappa
im talking about the pax sivir

challenger guy is a friend of mine from this forum
GeeNX
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GeeNX
I still want to see a Toboggan corki not purchased with the relaunch of the skins. That is really damn epic
cokeshawty
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cokeshawty
Okay. Joined champ select and these are the first things I see. I'm already done for today. Left the queue just 'cause I just knew this was going to be a pointless loss. Pathetic, awful, disgusting, ridiculous.. can't seem to find the right word for it..

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Justykanna
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Justykanna

Buu wrote:

Okay. I'm done for today. Left the queue just 'cause I just knew this was going to be a pointless loss. Pathetic, awful, disgusting, ridiculous.. can't seem to find the right word for it..

I've seen a lot of dumb crap but that's just kinda... ... special.
cokeshawty
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cokeshawty

Justykanna wrote:

Buu wrote:

Okay. I'm done for today. Left the queue just 'cause I just knew this was going to be a pointless loss. Pathetic, awful, disgusting, ridiculous.. can't seem to find the right word for it..

I've seen a lot of dumb crap but that's just kinda... ... special.
Really frustrating. I barely even know what to say. This even was ranked. I was in my promo games to Plat, so my 'leave' counted as a loss.
Justykanna
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Justykanna

Buu wrote:

Really frustrating. I barely even know what to say. This even was ranked. I was in my promo games to Plat, so my 'leave' counted as a loss.
I wouldn't know what to say either.
What number pick was this person anyway? Last or something?
Yeahhhhh, that's rough. I would have just stayed and muted him for a promotion to Platinum though. You never know.
cokeshawty
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cokeshawty

Justykanna wrote:

Buu wrote:

Really frustrating. I barely even know what to say. This even was ranked. I was in my promo games to Plat, so my 'leave' counted as a loss.
I wouldn't know what to say either.
What number pick was this person anyway? Last or something?
Yeahhhhh, that's rough. I would have just stayed and muted him for a promotion to Platinum though. You never know.
Yeah he was last pick. I left because I'd rather avoid further brain damage than maybe have a slight chance to have a possibility to win the game and be left with mental issues... promo matches come and go, a trauma stays forever.
Neroh
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Neroh
and down goes the EUW server for the millionth time this year...
cokeshawty
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cokeshawty

Neroh wrote:

and down goes the EUW server for the millionth time this year...
month*
tyrael6192
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tyrael6192
day*
GeeNX
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GeeNX
this fucking twitch tv chat making me laugh so hard xD TCM vs SK final of a challenger tournament, every one saying OHH TSM

when jwaow is deleting people they are like, DYRUS NICE ONE SHOT, Motroco carrying the 4th game and they're saying wow MoTurtle carrying so hard, well at least some times twitch tv chat is funny ;D
tyrael6192
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twitch chat is the best and nobody will ever tell me otherwise
Sapphiire_old_1
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Neroh wrote:

and down goes the EUW server for the millionth time this year...

Yeah i am kinda getting tired of it :/ they gonna improve by moving the providers and sever to amsterdam for Euw but still till then we have to accept that shit
Nofool
Elite Mapper
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tyrael6192 wrote:



twitch chat is the best and nobody will ever tell me otherwise
people there are like all pro humorist... too much epic sentence come from this chat ,_,
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