nano feat. MY FIRST STORY - SAVIOR OF SONG (TV Size)‬ · forum‬

Kodora

Kodora 2013-10-20T23:30:41+00:00

[Kodora]

00:42:658 - maybe break is better. Nope, i prefer spinner. I don't like "drain sections"
01:00:003 (5) - a bit left for stack perfectly. Fixed these
01:24:301 (4) - maybe delete note here? Nope, sorry
nothing much to say

- N a n a k a -

Looks nice

[Kodora~~san~~]
suggest hitsound mod :3

00:42:003 (3,4) - Ctrl+G Done
00:55:471 (3) - try to add whistle on head slide Yes, i forgot, fixed
00:56:721 (2) - add whistle here Fixed
00:56:877 (3) - remove whistle head slide and add whistle on tail slide Agree, done
00:59:534 (4,5) - overlap slide Fixed
01:05:472 (3) - add whistle head slide Done
01:21:567 (1,2) - add whistle head slide ~~orz why they disappear~~ done
01:26:255 (4) - move right 1 grid Done

Natsu

Kodora moe Hard:

the jump from normal to hard in the spread is kinda hard i preffer if you use OD 6 here OD 6 will make huge score gap between Insane & Hard in this case + i really dislike low OD
00:00:780 why you dont add a circle here? and start like the other diff for concistency also is where the player expect to start playing because i'm following vocals here but not the guitar
00:12:812 (2) - add clap in the tail owo oops fixed
01:26:255 remove clap and add finish? sound better for me not fits as for me :V
00:10:155 (1) - what about to add claps on the reapeats like insane diff have? or atleast add it on the first point so the player can have a good feedback from the hit they are disappear for unknown reason D: fixed
00:17:343 really nazi but what about move this one to x:288 y:108 look better stacked in the slider body good nazi, fixed
00:22:969 you maybe forget to add whistle here? sure
00:40:783 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - no hitsounds? buu add some claps here to empathize the music sound really nice okay
00:42:658 (1) - just for consistency why not remove the spinner and let this part with nothing? because i don't like any kind of drain sections + this part is really perfectly mapable
00:57:659 (6,1) - swap NC for consistency with your stanzas pattern? nope, also this done to make next circles more unreadable
01:01:409 (9,1) - same as above is better readable imo nope, NC follow vocals
01:24:067 (1,2,3,4) - I told you when you ask me for test play im not a fan of this stream is the only you use in all the diff and take players off guard I preffer a repeat slider but both are fine repeat will looks repetitive + i want to make ending harder than the rest of map + 4 notes are not considered stream - they are easy, really

Sekai-nyan

Kodora's Hard:
HP +1 would do good imo, since you have AR8 and OD7... Keeping 5 because insane have 6

00:03:592 (1) - remove this nc, i don't think it's needed here anyways...so yeah i suggest you to remove it done
00:13:749 (2) - move this few grids up, so it'll stuck under 00:11:874 (6) - Done
00:14:999 (2) - I don't suggest you to do this in hard since, it'll make the diff more hard and more harder to read as well, maybe move this note somewhere else It's clearly readable nomod due to approachcircle being visible
00:16:249 (2) - move this few grids down and left so it'll stuck under 00:14:218 (3) - not nesessary
00:17:343 (1) - wtf why is this like this....move this note above the next slider instead, i think it placed so weird imo Check DS, it placed absolutely correctly
00:19:843 (5) - move this one grid to the left so it'll make nice blanket with 00:19:375 (4) - Fixed
00:49:221 (1,2) - those two is a bit too hard to read imo, maybe do something else with them? like this That's trick, wanna keep it, sorry.
SPOILER
00:57:659 (6) - I think you missed a finish on slider's start so, maybe add it? Nope
00:58:284 (2) - well..you have so many places to put this note why under the slider ;w; just move it like this instead... Re-arranged to make it easier to read, but in other way
SPOILER
01:08:128 (2) - baka Kodora ;w; baka janai

-Kirito

[Kodora's Hard]
00:10:624 (2) - NC add? No
00:23:281 (2) - ^ No
00:32:657 - clap add (drum sound) No, i also don't like drum samples tbh
00:32:813 - finish add No
00:32:970 - ^ No
00:57:502 (5,6) - change interval https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1044606 No
01:02:972 - whistle add Yes
01:05:472 - ^ Yes
01:20:004 (4) - NC add? No
01:20:395 - circle add? No
01:24:301 (4) - circle remove No

Slow-ru

Kodora's Hard:

Мне кажется, что здесь слишком много оверлапа, как, например, 00:16:875 (4,1) / 00:57:659 (6,1,2), что, вкупе с всего лишь двумя цветами, усложняет задачу. Может, сделаешь его чуть проще? Оверлапы читаемы ноумод, этого достаточно. Хм, а вот про цвета я Юко скажу, действительно можно бы разнообразнее.

Thanks for mods everyone!

diff -> http://puu.sh/4Vco2.osu

Skystar

1,628 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Skystar 2013-10-21T09:56:28+00:00

- N a n a k a -

- N a n a k a - wrote:
Hi Yuko :3
Req form Kodora : P
~~very~~ small mod I cant mod it xD

[Easy]
00:51:408 (4) - nc
01:19:848 (2) - remove whistle tail slide
01:21:723 (1) - add whistle tail slide above all fixed

[Normal]
Looks nice

[Kodora~~san~~]
suggest hitsound mod :3

00:42:003 (3,4) - Ctrl+G
00:55:471 (3) - try to add whistle on head slide
00:56:721 (2) - add whistle here
00:56:877 (3) - remove whistle head slide and add whistle on tail slide
00:59:534 (4,5) - overlap slide
01:05:472 (3) - add whistle head slide
01:21:567 (1,2) - add whistle head slide
01:26:255 (4) - move right 1 grid

[Insane]
Awesome how I can mod it D:

Nice map :3
Star~

Natsu

Natsu wrote:
HI~ Amamiya Yuko owo Kodora baka ask me to mod this so here we go

General:
Combo colour 1 and 3 are almost the same what about to make the 3 one a little more dark? just to notice them are differents

Insane:
00:00:780 Maybe you forget to add a whistle here? sound really nice :3 nope :3
01:21:254 (1,2) - stack them perfect really nazi but look bad in game
00:11:562 can you move this two grids to the right so the pattern is more consistent with 00:11:093 (1,2,3) - also if you play it is more natural imo
00:08:905 (2,3,1) - use the same distance here? I feel kinda awkward when i play this in the current way yay i guess it's fine to change spacing
00:29:375 sound better for me If you remove the whistle here it dont sound nice there imo
turn off grid snap and stack this 00:32:032 (1) - with 00:32:970 (3) - perfect x-x
00:33:282 you forget to add Finish here it empathize with the music really nice
00:45:939 (2,1) - another nazi stack this perfect
01:01:096 can you move this a little? is touching the hp bar check it:
SPOILER
01:05:472 (2,1) - uh I know is your style but this is almost unreadable in first place first to all what is the tail and waht is the head? also take in consideration the head of the slider is almost hidden by previous 01:05:159 (1) - i will like if you redo this pattern O_o that's not unreadable
01:26:255 add finish here sound really nice to end the song try it i didnt add finish due to the song ends so fast here, so a finish may be weird

Kodora moe Hard:
the jump from normal to hard in the spread is kinda hard i preffer if you use OD 6 here
00:00:780 why you dont add a circle here? and start like the other diff for concistency also is where the player expect to start playing
00:12:812 (2) - add clap in the tail owo
01:26:255 remove clap and add finish? sound better for me
00:10:155 (1) - what about to add claps on the reapeats like insane diff have? or atleast add it on the first point so the player can have a good feedback from the hit
00:17:343 really nazi but what about move this one to x:288 y:108 look better stacked in the slider body
00:22:969 you maybe forget to add whistle here?
00:40:783 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - no hitsounds? buu add some claps here to empathize the music sound really nice
00:42:658 (1) - just for consistency why not remove the spinner and let this part with nothing?
00:57:659 (6,1) - swap NC for consistency with your stanzas pattern?
01:01:409 (9,1) - same as above is better readable imo
01:24:067 (1,2,3,4) - I told you when you ask me for test play im not a fan of this stream is the only you use in all the diff and take players off guard I preffer a repeat slider but both are fine

Normal:
00:19:843 (5) - move to x:462 y:39 to fix a little the distance
00:33:282 same as insane
00:57:346 (3,4) - move both of them to x:390 y:356 im begin to much nazi with the distance maybe?
01:16:254 (1) - x:218 y:36 same distance problem im really nazi ahahahha owo
01:26:255 same as insane same

Easy:
00:33:282 same as insane
01:26:255 same as insane same

GL Amamiya Yuko hope this help you and take a star or Kodora will bite me :c

Sekai-nyan

Sekai-nyan wrote:
so here's my mod, Kodora asked me to mod it =w=/

Easy:
Since it's a high bpm it'll be nice if you make AR -1 it'll fit this diff better imo~
00:33:282 (1) - I don't think you need a nc here so it'll be better if you'll remove it ah? NC for a new part in the music o_o
00:55:471 (3) - move this slider one grid up so it'll make stuck under 00:52:971 (7) -
00:59:846 (2) - move this up and right one grid with the same reason above

Normal:
00:15:468 (6,1) - I don't think it'll be nice if you'll make a stuck like this in normal with high bpm song, so i suggest you to remove this stuck~ i think it's fine since it's normal diff not easy (dont slap me >.>
00:28:282 (1,2) - switch the nc because the vocal started on the 2 not in the 1
00:41:720 (2) - this reverse would be better the other way like this
SPOILER
00:47:345 (3,4) - same reason as in here 00:15:468 (6,1) - same
00:48:595 (6,1) - ^
00:48:595 (6,1) - ^
00:58:596 (6,1) - ^
01:11:410 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - randomly added so many notes in this map, i suggest you to remove some and add 1/1 short sliders instead of those notes
01:21:098 (6,1) - Another stucks....

Kodora's Hard:
HP +1 would do good imo, since you have AR8 and OD7...
00:03:592 (1) - remove this nc, i don't think it's needed here anyways...so yeah i suggest you to remove it
00:13:749 (2) - move this few grids up, so it'll stuck under 00:11:874 (6) -
00:14:999 (2) - I don't suggest you to do this in hard since, it'll make the diff more hard and more harder to read as well, maybe move this note somewhere else
00:16:249 (2) - move this few grids down and left so it'll stuck under 00:14:218 (3) -
00:17:343 (1) - wtf why is this like this....move this note above the next slider instead, i think it placed so weird imo
00:19:843 (5) - move this one grid to the left so it'll make nice blanket with 00:19:375 (4) -
00:49:221 (1,2) - those two is a bit too hard to read imo, maybe do something else with them? like this
SPOILER
00:57:659 (6) - I think you missed a finish on slider's start so, maybe add it?
00:58:284 (2) - well..you have so many places to put this note why under the slider ;w; just move it like this instead...
SPOILER
01:08:128 (2) - baka Kodora ;w;

Insane:
Good diff I found nothing on it o.ob Good job Yuko www

That's all i found here, Good luck with ranking it Kodora and Yuko <3

-Kirito

-Kirito wrote:
hi~ i got a request to kodora

[General]
Video seems to be a little startling.(a new encoding.) Download

[Easy]
00:42:658 - ~ 00:45:783 - spinner add? nope

[Normal]
00:10:155 - circle add?
00:42:658 - ~ 00:45:783 - easy and the same
01:12:660 (5) - NC add? pattern changed

[Kodora's Hard]
00:10:624 (2) - NC add?
00:23:281 (2) - ^
00:32:657 - clap add (drum sound)
00:32:813 - finish add
00:32:970 - ^
00:57:502 (5,6) - change interval https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1044606
01:02:972 - whistle add
01:05:472 - ^
01:20:004 (4) - NC add?
01:20:395 - circle add?
01:24:301 (4) - circle remove

[Insane]
00:29:532 (1) - remove the red point
00:30:001 - circle add?
00:42:658 - ~ 00:45:783 - easy and the same sorry no change in this diff
~~very hard..~~

good lucky xDDD

Slow-ru

Slow-ru wrote:
Everyone has requests from Kodora I - not the exception - you should be grateful to him ;D

Easy:

Ok!

Normal:

00:41:720 (2,1) - maybe "Break" between them? nope

Kodora's Hard:

Мне кажется, что здесь слишком много оверлапа, как, например, 00:16:875 (4,1) / 00:57:659 (6,1,2), что, вкупе с всего лишь двумя цветами, усложняет задачу. Может, сделаешь его чуть проще?

Insane:

00:42:188 (4,1) - maybe, "break", or spinner? nope

Nothing to mod here, lol
Good job.

everything i didnt reply to = fixed
Amamiya Yuko married to Kodora >///<

kaskaskas

5 posts

Joined March 2012

kaskaskas 2013-10-24T09:42:44+00:00

good song

wcx19911123

3,862 posts

Joined June 2010

wcx19911123 2013-10-29T16:46:24+00:00

as your request

[General]
我觉得combo color可以在区别明显点

[Easy]
01:08:910 (1,2) - 要么一条直线要么岔开点，好看点

[Normal]
00:15:624 (1,2,3) - 可以摆直点
00:40:783 (1,2) - 像这种我建议每个换成2个1/2slider，折返太多新人可能难读
00:50:627 - 这个whistle感觉不太合曲

[Kodora's Hard]
HD is too low, +1 at least please
00:06:405 (3) - its shape can be better.. maybe need to replace the nod which is at x:344 y:296
00:52:502 (2,3) - slider first and circle later? rhythm can be better imo
00:57:502 (5,6) - ^

这vocal听着想死

Kodora

Kodora 2013-10-29T17:57:03+00:00

Thank you wcx, all fixed + changed last stream ~~because i keep missing here with dt lol~~

SPOILER

osu file format v12

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TitleUnicode:SAVIOR OF SONG (TV Size)
Artist:nano feat. MY FIRST STORY
ArtistUnicode:ナノ feat. MY FIRST STORY
Creator:Amamiya Yuko
Version:Kodora's Hard
Source:蒼き鋼のアルペジオ
Tags:Skystar Kodora opening Arpeggio of Blue Steel
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Skystar

1,628 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Skystar 2013-10-30T14:51:08+00:00

wcx

wcx19911123 wrote:
as your request

[General]
我觉得combo color可以在区别明显点還好啦0.0

[Easy]
01:08:910 (1,2) - 要么一条直线要么岔开点，好看点

[Normal]
00:15:624 (1,2,3) - 可以摆直点
00:40:783 (1,2) - 像这种我建议每个换成2个1/2slider，折返太多新人可能难读
00:50:627 - 这个whistle感觉不太合曲刪完聽了聽感覺有點怪, 還是保留

[Kodora's Hard]
HD is too low, +1 at least please
00:06:405 (3) - its shape can be better.. maybe need to replace the nod which is at x:344 y:296
00:52:502 (2,3) - slider first and circle later? rhythm can be better imo
00:57:502 (5,6) - ^

这vocal听着想死

wcx19911123

3,862 posts

Joined June 2010

wcx19911123 2013-10-31T17:00:02+00:00

bubbled

HabiHolic

5,486 posts

Joined October 2012

HabiHolic 2013-11-01T01:39:41+00:00

go go!

17VA

1,007 posts

Joined September 2012

17VA 2013-11-01T13:37:10+00:00

Gondora

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-01T14:21:35+00:00

~~stop stalking me~~

Nazalion

204 posts

Joined January 2013

Nazalion 2013-11-03T06:51:34+00:00

go go ...
cant wait this map ranked .

_dog

171 posts

Joined August 2012

_dog 2013-11-03T20:21:48+00:00

Don't randomly PM expecting me to love your map.

15:02 *Kodora is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/313821 nano feat. MY FIRST STORY - SAVIOR OF SONG (TV Size)]
15:02 Kodora: thanks!
15:03 TheGrimOfCrazy: ?
15:03 Kodora: i spec
15:03 TheGrimOfCrazy: what?
15:03 Kodora: em.. lol
15:03 TheGrimOfCrazy: i'll play it i guess
15:03 Kodora: nice o.o
15:03 TheGrimOfCrazy: i said found one because i was buying a usb hub
15:03 Kodora: i spec
15:04 Kodora: ah lol
15:04 Kodora: i was sure you agree for testplay
15:04 Kodora: ww
15:04 TheGrimOfCrazy: however i hate skystar maps so i'll just be playing your hard
15:04 Kodora: you probably will hate me too since our mapsets are very similiar
15:05 TheGrimOfCrazy: no they aren't
15:05 Kodora: i mean mine & Yuko's
15:07 TheGrimOfCrazy: map could have been good if it weren't for the awkward overlaps fix them and it will be a very fun hard
15:07 TheGrimOfCrazy: circle under sliders aren't acceptable
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: especially in a hard where theres not even a space between the note
15:08 Kodora: that's something what not going to be changed because it was mapped with all those overlaps in mind :I
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: no it has to be changed
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: it's unrankable anyways
15:08 Kodora: it's sightreadable
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: no
15:08 Kodora: no it's not
15:08 Kodora: it's not unrankable
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: some overlaps are fine
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: half of them are horrible
15:08 TheGrimOfCrazy: overlaps are fine if you do them well
15:09 Kodora: link bad ones please?
15:09 TheGrimOfCrazy: most of these were placed badly
15:09 TheGrimOfCrazy: and didnt even fit
15:09 TheGrimOfCrazy: also for a hard it's silly
15:09 TheGrimOfCrazy: 00:02:498 (6,1) - this is silly
15:09 TheGrimOfCrazy: and should be changed
15:10 Kodora: this is clearly readable due to approach circle being visible
15:10 TheGrimOfCrazy: for this 00:07:030 (5,1) -
15:10 Kodora: it's just impossible to miss here
15:10 TheGrimOfCrazy: do this http://grab.by/rI54
15:10 TheGrimOfCrazy: i dont care if it can be played
15:10 TheGrimOfCrazy: it doesnt play well
15:11 Kodora: i hate stacks tbh :< they are ugly
15:11 TheGrimOfCrazy: mappers need to understand that playable and rankable =/= good
15:11 Kodora: i mean manual stacks
15:11 TheGrimOfCrazy: ok then nuke the whole overlap all together
15:12 TheGrimOfCrazy: 00:17:343 (1) - wtf are you thinking
15:12 TheGrimOfCrazy: you do know theres slider types right
15:12 TheGrimOfCrazy: and not everyone uses transparent
15:12 TheGrimOfCrazy: that circle is unrankable
15:13 TheGrimOfCrazy: 00:49:377 (2) - innapropriate for a hard make it visible from the start
15:13 Kodora: that's not unrankable, i just do not want let everyone fc it with hd in one try. it's perfectly visible nomod, so it's fine
15:13 TheGrimOfCrazy: no it isnt
15:13 TheGrimOfCrazy: it isnt visible
15:13 TheGrimOfCrazy: because if you didnt know osu has 3 slider types
15:13 Kodora: you played it and not missed
15:13 Kodora: how?
15:13 TheGrimOfCrazy: transparent solid and semi
15:14 TheGrimOfCrazy: thats because im on transparent
15:14 TheGrimOfCrazy: but you have to keep in mind about solid
15:14 Kodora: i also use solid
15:14 TheGrimOfCrazy: its not readable and i had to be hesitant about it
15:14 TheGrimOfCrazy: no you don't
15:14 TheGrimOfCrazy: take a picture of your skin right now
15:14 Kodora: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1078637
15:14 TheGrimOfCrazy: thats transparent
15:15 Kodora: http://puu.sh/57RuJ.jpg that's how it looks for me
15:15 TheGrimOfCrazy: 00:52:033 (1) - angle this to make it visibl
15:15 Kodora: visible by approach circle
15:15 TheGrimOfCrazy: kodora
15:15 TheGrimOfCrazy: thats a transparent slidertype
15:15 TheGrimOfCrazy: that isnt solid
15:15 TheGrimOfCrazy: it doesnt work
15:15 TheGrimOfCrazy: and you should just change it
15:16 TheGrimOfCrazy: 01:00:003 (5) - again
15:16 Kodora: approach circles stay visible anyway whatever sliders i'll use
15:16 TheGrimOfCrazy: 01:03:284 (8) - innapropraite for a hard
15:16 TheGrimOfCrazy: no one reads by approach circles
15:16 Kodora: also last two are perfectly readable
15:16 Kodora: i read by approaches
15:16 TheGrimOfCrazy: alright
15:17 TheGrimOfCrazy: i dont care
15:17 TheGrimOfCrazy: go back to your map
15:17 Kodora: oki :>

This set is complete silliness.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-03T22:12:18+00:00

Sorry, still not going to change anything.

哈哈哈哈

Nymph

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Nymph 2013-11-04T12:29:59+00:00

ranked.

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spboxer3 2013-11-04T12:34:44+00:00

HabiHolic

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HabiHolic 2013-11-04T12:36:42+00:00

Good!!

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Ayu 2013-11-04T12:37:06+00:00

> 15:16 Kodora: i read by approaches
> plays it with hidden

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Fycho 2013-11-04T12:43:56+00:00

spboxer3 wrote:

sp3 is sad /.\
anyway,gratz~

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alacat 2013-11-04T12:56:57+00:00

gratz c:

Kyouren

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Kyouren 2013-11-04T13:01:02+00:00

Gratzz!! Kodora and Skystar!!^^

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Satellite 2013-11-04T13:06:13+00:00

Congratz!!

Azmato

Azmato 2013-11-04T13:13:32+00:00

[Hard]
00:11:093 (3) , 00:18:125 (4) , 00:24:219 (4) , 00:26:719 (3) , 00:27:969 (3) ...are they stack completly?? I played Hard, I think they didn't fit D:...
If it's your style, ignore this.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-04T13:13:43+00:00

Nymph best ninja <3

Azmato wrote:
00:11:093 (3) , 00:18:125 (4) , 00:24:219 (4) , 00:26:719 (3) , 00:27:969 (3) ...are they stack completly?? I played Hard, I think they didn't fit D:...
If it's your style, ignore this.

They stacked perfectly, but they are clearly readable.
Yes, it is part of my style.

Azmato

Azmato 2013-11-04T13:22:31+00:00

Kodora wrote:
Nymph best ninja <3

Azmato wrote:
00:11:093 (3) , 00:18:125 (4) , 00:24:219 (4) , 00:26:719 (3) , 00:27:969 (3) ...are they stack completly?? I played Hard, I think they didn't fit D:...
If it's your style, ignore this.
They stacked perfectly, but they are clearly readable.
Yes, it is part of my style.

LOL ok it was my illusion. btw, Hard is too hard

lkx_Shore

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lkx_Shore 2013-11-04T14:26:38+00:00

恭喜

Aqo

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Aqo 2013-11-04T14:27:06+00:00

lol ^ how can hard be too hard the whole point of "hard" is to be "hard" :D

grats fast rank Yuko x Kodora moe pair

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Konei 2013-11-04T14:32:15+00:00

Hard is more of a soft Insane, jumps in KIAI are too overused in my opinion.
Also a lot of those overlaps with circles are badly done, they're bad readable and don't spread well with Normal's experience.
Also Easy SV -> 0,80 Normal SV -> 1,00 Hard SV -> 1,72 LOL.
+ Hard's SV changes to 1,20, this is really too much and not fiting in my opinion.

Gratz anyway~

Last edited by Konei 2013-11-04T15:09:30+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Irreversible

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Irreversible 2013-11-04T15:03:43+00:00

Aqo wrote:
lol ^ how can hard be too hard the whole point of "hard" is to be "hard" :D

That's actually true, but I have to agree with Konei; the spread between normal and hard is rather bad, due to this really big SV jump.

Really enjoyed the insane tho, congratz!

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Faust 2013-11-04T15:04:12+00:00

Ever the controversy. Grats, was waiting for some Arpeggio to be ranked.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-04T16:03:44+00:00

Irreversible wrote:
That's actually true, but I have to agree with Konei; the spread between normal and hard is rather bad, due to this really big SV jump.

Song requires this SV. I tested it several times with different SV and i must say that slower one is just doesn't fit for me (i even asked several BATs about x1.72 SV usage - it is totally common here).
However, it is really not that fast or hard to call it Insane tho - it was FC'd very fast by average skill players and it is really not a great challenge for any advanced players.

Thanks for opinions.

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Konei 2013-11-04T16:22:34+00:00

Kodora wrote:
(...) However, it is really not that fast or hard to call it Insane tho - it was FC'd very fast by average skill players (...)

That doesn't mean anything; even if you could surely say that the players who fc'd it were all average players, it still doesn't have to be for everyone. Maybe those players had a good day today? You never know.

I just stated that I think the gap from Normal to Hard is really high.

Natsu

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Natsu 2013-11-04T20:44:58+00:00

Gratz baka kodora and Yuko owo

those

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those 2013-11-04T23:14:41+00:00

Large post incoming. Should be expected anyway. Unrank to follow.

Broccoly

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Broccoly 2013-11-04T23:37:15+00:00

aw.. hey guys cheer up

can't be that bad since now mappers will not be left hanging

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those 2013-11-04T23:47:15+00:00

We've received a lot of complaints about this map (mainly Kodora's Hard) and I'm here on behalf of the BAT to temporarily unrank this mapset before a week passes, in which it will be too late to save this mapset.

One of the bigger concerns here is an issue with the spread. With the current Hard diff which is an Insane in disguise by means of difficulty naming, this leaves a rather large gap between the second and third diffs.

Furthermore, TheGrimOfCrazy's mod was not addressed, but rather shoved off, and the ranking BAT perhaps missed this. It is clearly unjustified due to this single line:

15:08 Kodora: that's something what not going to be changed because it was mapped with all those overlaps in mind :I

For future reference, it's important to state why your way is better than any suggestions given (if any).

The last part of this address comes with all significant problems in the map that led to this unrank.

[General]

http://puu.sh/58ZVm.png Colours much too similar.

[Hard]

00:07:030 (5,1) - First slider body completely overlaps with second.
00:14:999 (2,3,4) - (2) is completely hidden under slider body, and (2,3,4) presents itself with a strange rhythm. 00:15:624 - needs to be played, and thus you cannot play 00:15:468 (4) - as a slider.
00:17:343 (1) - Circle completely hidden under slider body in the time span of 1/2.
00:52:033 (1) -
00:58:127 (2) -
01:00:003 (5) - These three are absolutely inappropriate and can be played/read much better in a different position.
01:02:972 (7,8) - Much of (8) is hidden under (7).
01:08:128 (2) - Circle completely hidden under slider body.

[Insane]

00:00:780 (1,2,3,4,1) - Very erratic spacing. Can be much improved to serve as a better intro section.
00:58:753 (3,4) - It makes zero sense for you not to do like 00:48:752 (1) - .
01:19:223 (1) - Unnecessary overlapping, counter intuitive. Try 155:100.
00:14:062 (1,1,1) - New combo spamming is largely unnecessary across the entire map. You don't want or need a new combo just because you're changing slider velocity.

I'm not calling any of these \unreadable\ since you have all sorts of creative excuses to divert from that, but rather, I'm asking you to find better object placement for each of the highlighted sections. Of course, if you need any help, I'm sure many of us are more than willing to help you improve this map.

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Fycho 2013-11-05T00:14:33+00:00

omg…

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-05T00:16:59+00:00

Alright, going to reply to all stuff related to my diff.

those wrote:
We've received a lot of complaints about this map (mainly Kodora's Hard) and I'm here on behalf of the BAT to temporarily unrank this mapset before a week passes, in which it will be too late to save this mapset.

One of the bigger concerns here is an issue with the spread. With the current Hard diff which is an Insane in disguise by means of difficulty naming, this leaves a rather large gap between the second and third diffs.

Very questionable. Of course, it may be a bit hard for regular hard diff, but it is not that hard to call it Insane. SV jump is not a valid argument here - judge it by real playability please.

Furthermore, TheGrimOfCrazy's mod was not addressed, but rather shoved off, and the ranking BAT perhaps missed this. It is clearly unjustified due to this single line:
15:08 Kodora: that's something what not going to be changed because it was mapped with all those overlaps in mind :I
For future reference, it's important to state why your way is better than any suggestions given (if any).

I strongly suggest read full log here. Everything what TGOC mentiored was properly replied (please read full log, it is still here). Please don't cut single phrases from log, thank you.

The last part of this address comes with all significant problems in the map that led to this unrank.

[Hard]
00:07:030 (5,1) - First slider body completely overlaps with second. Yes. This is how i like to see it. There is no any readability problems with this, and this is just impossible to miss here due to intuitive placement. You can see approach circle of next slider and guess how to play this part in one try.
00:14:999 (2,3,4) - (2) is completely hidden under slider body, and (2,3,4) presents itself with a strange rhythm. 00:15:624 - needs to be played, and thus you cannot play 00:15:468 (4) - as a slider. Hidden note is perfectly playable and also perfectly visible (thought yes, it placed tricky, but still visible and not give any problems about readability). I also disagree with your rhythm suggestion, it doesn't fits well for me, sorry.
00:17:343 (1) - Circle completely hidden under slider body in the time span of 1/2. This circle not causes any readability problems due to approach circle being visible and due to spacing being enough intuitive to sightread it.
00:52:033 (1) - Yes, same
00:58:127 (2) - ^
01:00:003 (5) - These three are absolutely inappropriate and can be played/read much better in a different position. I'm very disagree with you, this is break my style and i also don't see ant problems about it
01:02:972 (7,8) - Much of (8) is hidden under (7). And? This is placed enough intuitive to play next slider, also i suggest you to take a look at this map (Dear Yuko diff - Hard diff). This plays intuitive and well enough
01:08:128 (2) - Circle completely hidden under slider body. Not cases readability problems, same as above.
I'm not calling any of these \unreadable\ since you have all sorts of creative excuses to divert from that, but rather, I'm asking you to find better object placement for each of the highlighted sections. Of course, if you need any help, I'm sure many of us are more than willing to help you improve this map.

I'm sorry, but i must refuse all those suggestions since my current placement not cases any real problems (i tested this diff a lot to be sure that it plays well, a lot of testers and at least 2 BATs confirmed that it plays well enough - and even you actually "not calling any of these \unreadable\") and because all your suggestions break my style and since you didn't suggest anything better here (except "unstack, which is not acceptable for me due to my style).

So, no changes on my diff so far~

Kinomi

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Kinomi 2013-11-05T01:18:18+00:00

in kodora's hard
01:02:972 (7) - this one affects the flow a bit
because of overlap ad stack 2 sliders' head,and this is kiai moving is in a fierce statu,need to read 01:03:284 (8) - first and move cursor back, makes me uncomfortable

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Kiiwa 2013-11-05T05:59:02+00:00

._. expected. go make another hard \:D/

Skystar

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Skystar 2013-11-05T09:11:28+00:00

Lol.

Momochikun

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Momochikun 2013-11-05T09:12:31+00:00

pro Kodora..

Irreversible

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Irreversible 2013-11-05T09:21:48+00:00

Well, it was predictable, but let's try to make the best of this situation.

So as said, the main problem seems to be the spread (already mentioned, the gap between normal > hard is rather big), so you should consider adding another hard, which fixes the big gap between it. About your hard, kodora, readability is very subjective
, we should not forget that. We should try to compromise, so that it fits for the most possible players, shouldn't we?

The hitsounds personally bother me, they sound really odd (N:C1 as far as I remember), I will try suggesting one when I'm at home, currently @school.

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HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-05T09:37:50+00:00

01:02:972 (7) -
Try this to improve the pattern graphically (it's played the same way)

SPOILER

The slider was a bit cramped, so it did look strange

00:52:033 (1) - Nazi this from y:312 to y:313
(You would probably have killed me for suggesting this XD)↓

SPOILER

Change the Combo Colour 3 since it do look too similar to Combo Colour 1. I may suggest using 170,193,255 (similar to Iona's hair,Takao's dress)
I don't want kudosu's for this

Ah, before I don't remember
00:25:781 (1,2,3) - is repeated 5 time in the same section, so try

SPOILER

00:27:032 (1,3,4) -

SPOILER

00:28:282 (1,2,3) -

17VA

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17VA 2013-11-05T09:58:38+00:00

I agree.

It needs one more Hard diff.

Kodora's hard feels like almost insane.

lkx_Shore

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lkx_Shore 2013-11-05T10:39:57+00:00

nooooooo

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-05T11:25:17+00:00

Nope, the Hard doesn't feel that hard, and the Normal is a solid Normal. The only difficulty in bewteen might be a Normal+ with lots of 1/2, but the spread is nice as now.
a solid Easy, solid Normal, solid Hard.

Anyway,
for the Insane
00:00:780 (1,2,3,4) - play bad, since it seems it should be a stream, and the (1,2) jump doesn't seem hinted by the song, differently from the (4,1) so: remove the jump before and enlarge the spacing of those three(2,3,4) or try to map it like this (flow better, and is related to how you mapped after)

SPOILER

00:29:532 (1) - It look pretty bad, try this

SPOILER

00:32:657 (1,2,3,4) - after a relaxing part, and a long jump, jumping that much can be harsh, so

SPOILER

00:42:189 (4,1) - You end with the drums and start with vocals? You can try ending with the vocals to it as example: ( one slider per word, the second one is slowed up by a x0.33 section(-300 in the .osu)

SPOILER

In the end, there was no reason, for me, to unrank this.
If the players see something not used by a non-famous mapper, they obviously freak out with no-sense.
Ah, you can fully map normal and easy

Chloe

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Chloe 2013-11-05T16:06:29+00:00

秽れた世界を＿ざ止めて
仆らのドゥルモンを
Sounds stop and rewind, stop and rewind
失った希望を
坏れた时间のピースを集めて
取り戾すために
You need to follow no one, following no one

Gero

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Gero 2013-11-05T19:39:48+00:00

17VA wrote:
I agree.

It needs one more Hard diff.

Kodora's hard feels like almost insane.

Meh . . Idk why this map got unranked :/ kodora difficulty is really okay as hard . .

IceBeam

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IceBeam 2013-11-05T21:08:14+00:00

wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed

I completely disagree that the mapset is unbalanced..every difficulty mapped just like it should be for 4-diffs mapset. there's a possible small gap between normal and hard, but I'd rather said Normal could be a bit harder, but Kodora's Hard...it's literally can't even be easier, seriously. It's mapped using the lowest possible distance spacing and ar for comfortable play, otherwise it would be just a mess. come on guys, it's a 192 bpm song we're speaking about.

but I also liked Normal, it probably could use more 1/2 complicated rhythm patterns but that's not essential.

I would perhaps disupute about semi-hidden objects in Hard, but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

anyways I hope you guys work this out asap cause this map is really decent one,gl

Broccoly

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Broccoly 2013-11-05T21:15:16+00:00

>decides to rank after 3 months of osu break
>gets hdhr fc on insane dt fc on hard
>unrank

asjfklsajfl;ak lol
best luck to the rerank!!

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-05T21:15:20+00:00

http://puu.sh/59MnY.osu

Should decently fill that gap people find, but it need hitsounds and nazi-checks

Natsu

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Natsu 2013-11-05T22:12:56+00:00

I agree with IceBeam mostly, Also Kodora ask me long time ago for a test play and I get S on first try the hidden circlers and overlaps are pretty readables and it play very intuitive the diff is a simple hard is not like a soft insane plz Is a 191 bpm song, also I dont see a real big problem with the spread IMO.

Gl and hope this get reranked soon c:

Zare

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Zare 2013-11-05T22:32:28+00:00

Okay okay okay okay okay okay okay, I got this.

Even tho there's the new guest Hard now (which I have not looked at yet), I still want to try to bring up some points to consider for this and for future maps.

"This is bad because it's unreadable."
This is usually not a good argument since readabilty is always entirely up to the player. However that generally applies mainly to Highdiffs, while the usual [Hard] diff should be in a reading difficulty range that the usual [Hard] player can read without toooooooo much trouble.
When the majority of mappers that check a map consider the reading difficulty of map much higher than what the usual [Hard] should have, there's most likely something wrong. This can be fixed either by adjusting the spread (as in adding a new diff like you guys did) or changing those hard part.

What should be done right now depends depends on the spread, not the mapper spirit. Making Kodora's Hard, containing jumps and stuff, much easier would make the gap from Hard -> Insane too high and we'd end up with a similar problem, so the correct way of fixing this is most likely adding a new diff. You did that, but I suppose it was done for the wrong reasons.

"This is not unrankable so I won't change it. It's my style."
Even worse argument. If you can't justify why you mapped something the way you did and have to use that line, something is wrong as well.
Note the following: You don't always need to justify patterns or choice of object placement by how it fits the music perfectly. Gimmicks that simply exist to make the playing experience interesting are fine, too, sometimes it's even alright to say "this looks better". Therefore, explain in what way your gimmick IMPROVES the playing experience. If you aren't able to do that and other mappers and modders explain in detail why your gimmick actually WORSENS that experience, you should consider that they might be correct.

You know, in this specific case the best thing you could have done after the unrank was trying to compromise.
I myself know that it is unpleasant to be told that the main idea of your map sucks and that you don't feel well aboiut changing it, so try to only change it partly and see whether that works.
In this map you have slider overlapping a) circles and b) other sliders. Reading the slideroverlaps is much easier than the circleoverlaps because the player sees the slidertrack and can use it to read the object, this doesn't work with completely covered circles, which can only be seen with approach circles.
So stick to the idea of overlapping sliderheads, but change the circles. That way you can keep "your style" and fix the readbility issues. This kind of approach is the best for both sides, as it is usually the fastest.

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-05T23:41:11+00:00

http://puu.sh/5acMx.osu

Hitsounded it ~

I actually did want to map it anyway and I used the situation as an excuse, so I beg your pardon.
Ah, my internet key doesn't work that well, so I was able to upload it only now >.<

ririco

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ririco 2013-11-06T10:39:09+00:00

Let's see what i can find on Haku's diff, I've been asked to mod it!

Haku no Arpeggio:

00:02:811 (4,1) - switch the whistle since, it's better to follow the vocal here not the music, and the music is way too soft to hear it
00:06:874 (1) - you made a small overlap here, so how about moving this slider like this to avoid the overlapping?
SPOILER
00:08:124 (1) - move 2nd and 4th slider points 1 grid down it'll make better shape then the one atm imo
00:20:000 (1) - switch the whistle with finish, sounds much better if you ask me
00:27:969 (4) - i don't think the slider's end needs a finish sound, since it's way too loud for this part, and i suggest you to remove it
00:41:876 (4) - a nc here would be good, and it'll follow the vocal so well~

Wow nice diff o.o/ that's all I could find <3

Good luck with the Rerank Yuko :3

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-06T10:55:31+00:00

Sekai-nyan wrote:
Let's see what i can find on Haku's diff, I've been asked to mod it!

Haku no Arpeggio:
00:06:874 (1) - you made a small overlap here, so how about moving this slider like this to avoid the overlapping?
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The overlap is seeable only from the editor, it doesn't affect it while playing. (2) is more curved and a little rotated in front of (1) too, so I do like the pattern as it was too ^^
00:27:969 (4) - i don't think the slider's end needs a finish sound, since it's way too loud for this part, and i suggest you to remove it
Dampened it to 20%
Wow nice diff o.o/ that's all I could find <3

Good luck with the Rerank Yuko :3

http://puu.sh/5ahQn.osu

Answered what I didn't change/did differently

Skystar

1,628 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Skystar 2013-11-06T11:47:07+00:00

hi hi guys I'm sorry.

the reason why I didn't immediately deal with this map was I got some fucking trouble in my real life. I couldn't even use my PC yesterday.

will figure out all the stuff of this once I have solved my trouble in real life. sorry for being delaying.

Ceris

7 posts

Joined July 2013

Ceris 2013-11-06T14:43:45+00:00

Just a quick thing. Since the anime is called "Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova", add "Ars Nova" to the tags. Or even better, change the source name to romaji.

HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-06T18:26:56+00:00

http://puu.sh/5axOu.rar

Tekklorn

233 posts

Joined November 2012

Tekklorn 2013-11-06T18:35:50+00:00

Bit disappointed about the unrank, I personally thought it was fine. Best of luck to the rerank then I guess.

Konei

2,959 posts

Joined March 2012

Konei 2013-11-06T19:58:06+00:00

Small suggestion for Yuko on Insane.

00:48:752 (1) - How about using 3/4 rhythm here aswell as you did on the second KIAI? Would be more consistent which is somehow better here in my opinion.

-kevincela-

Elite Mapper

2,858 posts

Joined February 2010

-kevincela- 2013-11-06T20:01:34+00:00

IceBeam wrote:
wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed

I completely disagree that the mapset is unbalanced..every difficulty mapped just like it should be for 4-diffs mapset. there's a possible small gap between normal and hard, but I'd rather said Normal could be a bit harder, but Kodora's Hard...it's literally can't even be easier, seriously. It's mapped using the lowest possible distance spacing and ar for comfortable play, otherwise it would be just a mess. come on guys, it's a 192 bpm song we're speaking about.

but I also liked Normal, it probably could use more 1/2 complicated rhythm patterns but that's not essential.

I would perhaps disupute about semi-hidden objects in Hard, but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

anyways I hope you guys work this out asap cause this map is really decent one,gl

That sums it up for me. I have seen the Hard diff, and I didn't find the gap between the two diffs SO BIG, I have seen really worse cases. Kodora's Hard imho is just an Hard, no more and no less. The only reason that could make it a bit more difficult than the rest of the Hards is probably the quite high BPM and some overlaps, but I personally don't think that an unrank was needed there. The only thing that I didn't find really readable and more suitable for an insane is 00:17:343 (1) - , which I would have just stacked on 00:17:500 (2) - and that's it. Oh well, I guess it's too late to argue now... Good luck with reranking your map! If I have time I'll also try to mod the map and try to get this back.

Nemis

854 posts

Joined May 2012

Nemis 2013-11-06T20:16:54+00:00

What. The spread was perfect as it was! Anyway, let's give some suggestions for Haku's difficulty then (hoping that yuko is going to add it since I don't think those is going to give the heart back without another diff between the hard and the normal).

[Haku no Arpeggio]

00:09:999 (6) - Mi sembra sbagliato escludere la musica di sottofondo che parte nel bel mezzo di questo slider anche se non fa parte dei vocals, consiglierei quindi di aggiungeci una nota. Trovo perfetta la combinazione 1 note sul red tick + 1/2 slider che parte su quello bianco.
00:10:624 (7,1,2,3) - Questo pattern è davvero poco intuitivo e difficile da leggere in quanto ci sono diverse note che cadono sui red ticks. Ti consiglierei di cambiare il pattern (non necessariamente il ritmo) rendendolo più leggibile, magari sostituendo 00:11:249 (2,3) - questi due elementi con dua sliders 1/1 che partono sui red ticks.
00:15:156 (5) - Suona malissimo questo clap quì! Spostalo sulla testa di 00:15:468 (6) - questo slider, così sì che va bene. Ti consiglierei inoltre di aggiungerne un secondo sulla testa di 00:14:843 (4) - quest'altro slider.
00:23:281 (2,3,4) - Quì trovo il blanket fatto un poco male, sono più che sicuro che tu possa migliorarlo almeno un poco!
00:31:719 (1,2,1) - Ti consiglio vivamente di stackare questi elementi manualmente o di cambiare la struttura del pattern, in questo momento se giochi la map ti accorgerai che c'è qualcosa che non va in questo stack:
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00:39:064 (2,3,4) - Come riportato sotto, nello screenshot, mentre si gioca questo pattern si sfasa il blanket. Prova quindi a stackare manualmente questi due elementi (è sufficiente spostare 00:39:533 (4) - questo elemento a x:444 y:100).
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00:46:252 (3) - New combo quì per enfatizzare l'inizio del chorus/KIAI anche se la combo precedente sarà composta solamente da due note.
00:47:970 (6) - Anche quì trovo questo clap orrendo... non l'avrai mica fatto di proposito D:? Secondo me suona decisamente meglio sulla sua testa, non sulla sua fine, mantieni questa consistenza con i clap e vedrai che gli hitsounds spaccheranno di più.
00:56:252 (4) - Aggiungi una new combo quì e rimuovi quella successiva (00:56:721 (1) - ). Trovo molto meglio falla partire con l'inizio del nuovo KIAI anzichè con il partire dei vocals.
01:24:067 (1,2,3) - Stessa cosa di 00:31:719 (1,2,1) - , guarda cosa succede:
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Spero di esser stato un minimo utile ^-^

EDIT: Also, I'd highly suggest to change the colors a bit since they are really similar between them, even if they have different tones; while playing I find hard to see when the combo changes without looking at the numbers.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-07T00:56:16+00:00

Finally i have time to reply to all this stuff, so

Konei wrote:
Hard is more of a soft Insane, jumps in KIAI are too overused in my opinion.

I used really few jumps what aren't feels hard even if you put DT on, i tested it carefully before using it.

Konei wrote:
Also a lot of those overlaps with circles are badly done, they're bad readable and don't spread well with Normal's experience.

All those overlaps were done in a very intuitive way. They all keeps with same spacing and placed to make them easy to read with nomod-on.
About spread: this is why this diff called Hard, not a Normal + or so. + it's really not THAT hard to play.

Konei wrote:
Also Easy SV -> 0,80 Normal SV -> 1,00 Hard SV -> 1,72 LOL.

I used x1.72 SV to achieve reasonable long sliders for overlapped patterns, and this was onliest reason why i did it. I asked several modders and BATs before using it, and this is also not onliest Hard with such BPM what uses SV over 1.60. I really feel like you even didn't played it, sorry - sliders here really not that fast, and this also was confirmed by a lot of people. Don't judge real speed just by numbers please.

Well, should be more balanced with Haku's diff anyway.

Konei wrote:
+ Hard's SV changes to 1,20, this is really too much and not fiting in my opinion.

SV changes reflecting song's tempo. Thought, x0.25 SV raisings aren't even noticeable much.

HakuNoKaemi wrote:
If the players see something not used by a non-famous mapper, they obviously freak out with no-sense.

At least i want to see some good arguments from them about WHY this is bad.

HakuNoKaemi wrote:
In the end, there was no reason, for me, to unrank this.

And you're not the onliest person who said this. I asked several BATs about it and they are confirmed that diff spread was already fine as it was, but now we need to remove all scores what people achieve here. Oh well.

IceBeam wrote:
wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed

I completely disagree that the mapset is unbalanced..every difficulty mapped just like it should be for 4-diffs mapset. there's a possible small gap between normal and hard, but I'd rather said Normal could be a bit harder, but Kodora's Hard...it's literally can't even be easier, seriously. It's mapped using the lowest possible distance spacing and ar for comfortable play, otherwise it would be just a mess. come on guys, it's a 192 bpm song we're speaking about.

but I also liked Normal, it probably could use more 1/2 complicated rhythm patterns but that's not essential.

I would perhaps disupute about semi-hidden objects in Hard, but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

anyways I hope you guys work this out asap cause this map is really decent one,gl

THIS. OMG IceBeam i love you.

Zarerion wrote:
"This is bad because it's unreadable."
This is usually not a good argument since readabilty is always entirely up to the player. However that generally applies mainly to Highdiffs, while the usual [Hard] diff should be in a reading difficulty range that the usual [Hard] player can read without toooooooo much trouble.
When the majority of mappers that check a map consider the reading difficulty of map much higher than what the usual [Hard] should have, there's most likely something wrong. This can be fixed either by adjusting the spread (as in adding a new diff like you guys did) or changing those hard part.

What should be done right now depends depends on the spread, not the mapper spirit. Making Kodora's Hard, containing jumps and stuff, much easier would make the gap from Hard -> Insane too high and we'd end up with a similar problem, so the correct way of fixing this is most likely adding a new diff. You did that, but I suppose it was done for the wrong reasons.

I really don't see problems with overlapped patterns on Hard diffs as long as they places on intuitive & readable manner. All of them placed with same DS, in same ways. I tested it a lot with people who have various skill level and everyone was able to read & hit them.

Zarerion wrote:
"This is not unrankable so I won't change it. It's my style."
Even worse argument. If you can't justify why you mapped something the way you did and have to use that line, something is wrong as well.
Note the following: You don't always need to justify patterns or choice of object placement by how it fits the music perfectly. Gimmicks that simply exist to make the playing experience interesting are fine, too, sometimes it's even alright to say "this looks better". Therefore, explain in what way your gimmick IMPROVES the playing experience. If you aren't able to do that and other mappers and modders explain in detail why your gimmick actually WORSENS that experience, you should consider that they might be correct.

Point was not "it's not unrankable so I won't change it". Point is i didn't receive any damn good reasons for removing all overlapped patterns (thought i changed some patters where i received good reasons to fix them).

Zarerion wrote:
You know, in this specific case the best thing you could have done after the unrank was trying to compromise.
I myself know that it is unpleasant to be told that the main idea of your map sucks and that you don't feel well aboiut changing it, so try to only change it partly and see whether that works.
In this map you have slider overlapping a) circles and b) other sliders. Reading the slideroverlaps is much easier than the circleoverlaps because the player sees the slidertrack and can use it to read the object, this doesn't work with completely covered circles, which can only be seen with approach circles.
So stick to the idea of overlapping sliderheads, but change the circles. That way you can keep "your style" and fix the readbility issues. This kind of approach is the best for both sides, as it is usually the fastest.

I already changed some most cruel overlaps what everyone keep mentioring, but rest of them should be fine with new diff spread.

Ceris wrote:
Just a quick thing. Since the anime is called "Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova", add "Ars Nova" to the tags. Or even better, change the source name to romaji.

Source should be in the language it is supposed to be. Thought yes, needs to fix tags.

-kevincela- wrote:
That sums it up for me. I have seen the Hard diff, and I didn't find the gap between the two diffs SO BIG, I have seen really worse cases. Kodora's Hard imho is just an Hard, no more and no less. The only reason that could make it a bit more difficult than the rest of the Hards is probably the quite high BPM and some overlaps, but I personally don't think that an unrank was needed there. The only thing that I didn't find really readable and more suitable for an insane is 00:17:343 (1) - , which I would have just stacked on 00:17:500 (2) - and that's it. Oh well, I guess it's too late to argue now... Good luck with reranking your map! If I have time I'll also try to mod the map and try to get this back.

Thank you kevin, i changed this.

Last edited by Kodora 2013-11-07T01:46:56+00:00, edited 4 times in total.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-07T01:19:44+00:00

Also reply to all modders here:

Tsukuyomi

in kodora's hard
01:02:972 (7) - this one affects the flow a bit
because of overlap ad stack 2 sliders' head,and this is kiai moving is in a fierce statu,need to read 01:03:284 (8) - first and move cursor back, makes me uncomfortable

Alright, changed this one

HakuNoKaemi

01:02:972 (7) -
Try this to improve the pattern graphically (it's played the same way)

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The slider was a bit cramped, so it did look strange Unstacked this to make it easier to read

00:52:033 (1) - Nazi this from y:312 to y:313
(You would probably have killed me for suggesting this XD)↓ Fixed nazi, but most likely BATs will kill me if i'll apply this (thought it really looks good for me :V)

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Change the Combo Colour 3 since it do look too similar to Combo Colour 1. I may suggest using 170,193,255 (similar to Iona's hair,Takao's dress)
I don't want kudosu's for this

Ah, before I don't remember
00:25:781 (1,2,3) - is repeated 5 time in the same section, so try

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00:27:032 (1,3,4) -

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00:28:282 (1,2,3) - Sorry, no to all last 3 here since it breaks a lot of patters :V

I appreciate everyone's help & support - thank you very much. I really hope it can be re-ranked asap.

Here's diff, i also renamed it in case if you apply Haku's diff since we have easier Hard diff here

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osu file format v12

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Version:Kodora
Source:蒼き鋼のアルペジオ
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HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-07T01:53:54+00:00

Nemis wrote:
What. The spread was perfect as it was! Anyway, let's give some suggestions for Haku's difficulty then (hoping that yuko is going to add it since I don't think those is going to give the heart back without another diff between the hard and the normal).

[Haku no Arpeggio]
00:09:999 (6) - Mi sembra sbagliato escludere la musica di sottofondo che parte nel bel mezzo di questo slider anche se non fa parte dei vocals, consiglierei quindi di aggiungeci una nota. Trovo perfetta la combinazione 1 note sul red tick + 1/2 slider che parte su quello bianco.
00:10:624 (7,1,2,3) - Questo pattern è davvero poco intuitivo e difficile da leggere in quanto ci sono diverse note che cadono sui red ticks. Ti consiglierei di cambiare il pattern (non necessariamente il ritmo) rendendolo più leggibile, magari sostituendo 00:11:249 (2,3) - questi due elementi con dua sliders 1/1 che partono sui red ticks.
Ho modificato spostando il (6) 1/2 avanti e aggiungendo dei circle prima e dopo( che finiscono comunque su tick rossi)
00:56:252 (4) - Aggiungi una new combo quì e rimuovi quella successiva (00:56:721 (1) - ). Trovo molto meglio falla partire con l'inizio del nuovo KIAI anzichè con il partire dei vocals.
Preferisco comunque che l'NC sia consistente con le liriche, come ho fatto in tutta la mappa
Spero di esser stato un minimo utile ^-^

EDIT: Also, I'd highly suggest to change the colors a bit since they are really similar between them, even if they have different tones; while playing I find hard to see when the combo changes without looking at the numbers.

Grazie Nemis ^^
(Ho risposto solo a ciò che non ho applicato/ho applicato diversamente)

http://puu.sh/5aVVJ.rar

Garven

osu! Alumni

5,857 posts

Joined January 2010

Garven 2013-11-07T03:50:38+00:00

Just a quickie mod here.

[General]
Tick rate 2 fits this song best
Do you plan on adding Haku's difficulty, Yuko? I'm not going to mod it if it's not going to be added.
Also the current mp3 sounds like ~~ass~~ a youtube rip. Try this one. http://puu.sh/5b1S7.mp3
192 flat BPM, offset 648. Thanks to jonathanlfj for finding, encoding, and timing this new mp3. It's not that great, but it's much better than the current one.

[Easy]
00:25:469 (1) - This section feels a bit cluttered with hit objects. It's a really calm part in the Easy difficulty. I think simplifying 00:28:282 (1,2,3) - to something like this would fit the pace much better

00:37:970 - Adding a circle here would help transition to the next phrase
00:42:658 - Insert a break here
00:47:345 (2,1,2,3) - This is incredibly boring rhythmically for the start of the kiai section. Spruce it up a bit. Same applies to 00:56:252 (1) -
01:13:910 (1,2,3) - Considering you're reaching the climax, using circles would give a better feeling of amping up.
Add a spinner somewhere so that there are variable high scores possible.

[Normal]
00:21:094 - Add a break
00:33:282 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Geez. Try using circles sometimes. All sliders gives a very samey feeling and grows dull fast.
00:38:126 - Add a circle here to transition to the next phrase better and give a feeling of actually increasing tension
00:42:658 - Add a break
00:53:908 (1) - Going with the vocals here would give a nice variation to the bland 1/1 rhythm right before
01:03:909 (1) - ^
01:06:409 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - This is all 1/1. :/ Try giving a little variation in here. It's pretty drab as-is. 01:11:410 (1) - is fine with the 1/1 considering the musical emphasis, but before it, there's plenty to follow that would fit within a Normal's context
01:13:754 - Adding a circle here would help transition to the next phrase
Add a spinner somewhere so that there are variable high scores possible.

[Hard]
The spread from N -> H is a little high, but it's not that horrible when you put it in perspective of the set as a whole. I came here expecting something outrageous. I'm kinda disappointed.
I think lowering the distance snap during the intro would give a better feeling of transition from the slower part to the faster part when the back kicks in at 00:10:155 -
00:07:499 (1) - Not really seeing much reason why you stacked this like that. I think using an anti-jump would work a lot better to fit with what you did at the end of the other two parts prior.

SPOILER

Well, I have to end this here. Getting too many interruptions and ran out of time. Hopefully this'll at least improve the easier diffs a bit. Definitely use the new mp3 and add spinners in the least.

fanzhen0019

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

1,724 posts

Joined July 2010

fanzhen0019 2013-11-07T15:35:19+00:00

IceBeam wrote:
wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed
but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

IceBeam wrote:
I'm a bit dissapointed

I
don't
think
unrank
is
a
nice
choice
.

NO

Zare

1,512 posts

Joined March 2012

Zare 2013-11-07T17:06:55+00:00

Kodora wrote:
Point was not "it's not unrankable so I won't change it". Point is i didn't receive any damn good reasons for removing all overlapped patterns (thought i changed some patters where i received good reasons to fix them).

You did get reasons. You might not agree with those reasons, which is why you keep ignoring, but you did get them.
Also you ignored that specific point of mine.
How DO the overlaps IMPROVE the map in your opinion? To me it looks random and just makes the map harder to read. Doing stuff for difficulty is okay in Insane diffs, but not in a Hard, unless it fits the spread which isn't the case here, so tell me, why did you use these overlaps in the first place?
keep in mind I myself don't really agree with the unrank, but since we're at this point already I might as well ask some unpleasant questions to make you think about your own mapping a bit

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-07T17:44:38+00:00

Zarerion wrote:
You did get reasons. You might not agree with those reasons, which is why you keep ignoring, but you did get them.
Also you ignored that specific point of mine.
How DO the overlaps IMPROVE the map in your opinion? To me it looks random and just makes the map harder to read. Doing stuff for difficulty is okay in Insane diffs, but not in a Hard, unless it fits the spread which isn't the case here, so tell me, why did you use these overlaps in the first place?

I fixed stuff what was properly explained. Just mentioring fact that there are exist some overlaps can't be counted as a reason to remove them. All this stuff in map was properly tested and modded before, applied by a lot of modders and 2 BATs and added to ranking list as acceptable stuff for a Hard diff - and this is objective standpoint.

And please, keep in mind that modder's job is first of all helping to improve already existing map, not telling "how this should be mapped". If you thinking that this should be mapped in other way go map your own ver rather than trying to mod map what you don't like - this is already horrible attitude.

hi soulfear

Zarerion wrote:
keep in mind I myself don't really agree with the unrank, but since we're at this point already I might as well ask some unpleasant questions to make you think about your own mapping a bit

I'll just quote post above

HakuNoKaemi wrote:
If the players see something not used by a non-famous mapper, they obviously freak out with no-sense.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-07T17:59:07+00:00

Anyway,

Garven wrote:
Just a quickie mod here.

[General]
Tick rate 2 fits this song best Yes, it fits at most of parts but sadly sounds too busy at the beginning & calm part due to SV changes & songs tempo - this song cries for multiple tickrate ;_;

[Hard]
The spread from N -> H is a little high, but it's not that horrible when you put it in perspective of the set as a whole. I came here expecting something outrageous. I'm kinda disappointed.
I think lowering the distance snap during the intro would give a better feeling of transition from the slower part to the faster part when the back kicks in at 00:10:155 - I just do not want to make it too clamped here :<
00:07:499 (1) - Not really seeing much reason why you stacked this like that. I think using an anti-jump would work a lot better to fit with what you did at the end of the other two parts prior. Fixed that.
SPOILER

Well, I have to end this here. Getting too many interruptions and ran out of time. Hopefully this'll at least improve the easier diffs a bit. Definitely use the new mp3 and add spinners in the least.

diff

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357,350,53908,2,0,L|261:318,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,256,54221,1,8,0:0:0:0:
112,272,54377,2,0,P|104:320|72:376,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
56,208,54690,2,0,P|64:160|96:104,1,86,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
173,198,55002,6,0,P|221:198|293:158,1,107.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
235,50,55315,1,0,0:0:0:0:
358,87,55471,2,0,L|462:111,1,107.5,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
456,240,55784,2,0,L|480:288,5,53.75,8|8|8|8|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
464,304,56252,6,0,L|407:311|359:343|287:335,1,172,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,240,56721,1,10,0:0:0:0:
208,288,56877,2,0,L|112:336,1,86,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
19,278,57190,2,0,L|96:240,1,86,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,190,57502,2,0,P|218:118|178:27,1,172,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
124,108,57971,5,8,0:0:0:0:
216,126,58127,2,0,P|256:120|320:88,1,86,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,128,58440,2,0,P|405:171|440:216,1,86,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,295,58753,6,0,B|368:336|368:336|312:288|240:320,1,172,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
175,352,59221,1,8,0:0:0:0:
122,272,59378,1,0,0:0:0:0:
176,192,59534,2,0,P|180:117|104:48,1,172,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
181,120,60003,2,0,L|229:136|309:128|381:144,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
437,194,60471,1,8,0:0:0:0:
456,296,60628,2,0,L|415:287|335:295|287:279,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,280,61096,1,8,0:0:0:0:
184,120,61409,1,4,0:0:0:0:
184,120,61721,5,10,0:0:0:0:
272,144,61878,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,64,62034,2,0,B|384:112|360:192|360:192|408:232,1,172,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
448,280,62503,1,2,0:0:0:0:
376,344,62659,1,0,0:0:0:0:
312,272,62815,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,312,62972,2,0,L|214:283|163:241,1,86,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
150,341,63284,2,0,B|104:304|104:304|32:328|-16:280,1,172,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
56,216,63753,1,0,0:0:0:0:
136,168,63909,6,0,P|152:127|144:72,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,32,64222,1,8,0:0:0:0:
304,80,64378,2,0,L|400:64,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
492,145,64690,2,0,L|407:159,1,86,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,272,65003,6,0,L|368:296|256:320,1,107.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
184,360,65316,1,0,0:0:0:0:
80,304,65472,2,0,L|48:176,1,107.5,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
125,106,65784,6,0,P|133:82|141:34,7,53.75,8|8|8|8|8|8|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,48,66409,6,0,P|206:48|248:40,1,86,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,8,66722,1,8,0:0:0:0:
384,88,66878,2,0,B|432:152|392:208|392:208|416:272,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
373,336,67347,1,8,0:0:0:0:
288,304,67503,2,0,B|256:264|256:264|176:248|128:328,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
225,355,67972,5,8,0:0:0:0:
256,266,68128,1,2,0:0:0:0:
288,184,68285,2,0,P|248:176|168:200,1,86,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
352,112,68597,2,0,P|315:93|231:96,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,96,68910,5,4,0:0:0:0:
96,144,69066,1,2,0:0:0:0:
96,48,69222,1,8,0:0:0:0:
176,96,69378,2,0,P|176:192|80:232,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
67,311,69847,1,8,0:0:0:0:
160,328,70003,6,0,B|232:296|280:336|280:336|344:320,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
416,360,70472,1,8,0:0:0:0:
464,280,70628,1,2,0:0:0:0:
376,240,70785,2,0,L|368:200|384:128,1,86,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
465,35,71097,2,0,L|473:75|464:120,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
378,156,71410,5,12,0:0:0:0:
214,61,71722,1,8,0:0:0:0:
280,240,72035,1,8,0:0:0:0:
96,208,72347,1,8,0:0:0:0:
280,240,72660,1,8,0:0:0:0:
424,360,72972,1,8,0:0:0:0:
472,176,73285,1,8,0:0:0:0:
344,40,73597,1,8,0:0:0:0:
280,216,73910,6,0,P|272:264|224:320,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
184,240,74222,2,0,P|155:279|88:308,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
0,184,74535,6,0,P|5:141|26:104,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
95,159,74848,2,0,P|118:123|154:99,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,168,75160,6,0,P|240:144|288:128,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
395,168,75473,2,0,P|360:194|320:208,1,86,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,288,75785,6,0,L|304:344,5,43,8|8|8|8|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,352,76254,6,0,L|224:368|88:336,1,172,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
98,338,76723,1,8,0:0:0:0:
32,256,76879,2,0,L|16:216|40:152,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
127,55,77191,2,0,L|143:95|128:136,1,86,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
168,224,77504,2,0,B|224:272|288:240|288:240|320:280,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,336,77973,1,8,0:0:0:0:
416,248,78129,2,0,L|424:200|456:160,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
399,42,78442,2,0,L|391:90|368:120,1,86,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,120,78754,1,4,0:0:0:0:
176,112,79067,6,0,L|208:80,2,43,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
80,120,79379,2,0,B|88:192|152:208|152:208|136:288,1,172,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
88,336,79848,1,8,0:0:0:0:
184,344,80004,2,0,L|248:352|304:320|368:320,1,172,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,288,80473,2,0,P|447:248|443:206,1,86,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
371,86,80785,2,0,P|355:125|360:168,1,86,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,264,81098,2,0,L|304:288|256:288,1,86,8|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
128,160,81567,6,0,L|96:208,2,43,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,112,81879,2,0,B|280:144|336:96|336:96|376:120,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
372,208,82348,1,8,0:0:0:0:
456,168,82504,2,0,P|488:240|456:344,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,360,82973,1,8,0:0:0:0:
288,320,83129,2,0,B|240:304|240:304|208:368|120:360,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,264,83598,1,8,0:0:0:0:
56,248,83754,2,0,P|80:200|112:176,1,86,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,88,84067,5,2,0:0:0:0:
192,88,84145,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,88,84223,1,8,0:0:0:0:
263,150,84380,2,0,P|351:158|407:70,1,172,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,8,84848,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,72,85005,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,168,85161,6,0,P|344:216|376:256,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
304,368,85473,2,0,P|298:325|275:289,1,86,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,232,85786,5,8,0:0:0:0:
224,128,85942,1,8,0:0:0:0:
280,224,86098,1,8,0:0:0:0:
112,137,86255,1,8,0:0:0:0:

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Zare

1,512 posts

Joined March 2012

Zare 2013-11-07T17:59:21+00:00

I like how you keep saying why it should not be unranked, but not why it should be ranked

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-07T18:02:18+00:00

Zarerion wrote:
I like how you keep saying why it should not be unranked, but not why it should be ranked

Because it already was accepted as rankable (and was ranked).

Hope you got my answer.

HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-07T18:02:20+00:00

Zarerion wrote:
Kodora wrote:
Point was not "it's not unrankable so I won't change it". Point is i didn't receive any damn good reasons for removing all overlapped patterns (thought i changed some patters where i received good reasons to fix them).
You did get reasons. You might not agree with those reasons, which is why you keep ignoring, but you did get them.
Also you ignored that specific point of mine.
How DO the overlaps IMPROVE the map in your opinion? To me it looks random and just makes the map harder to read. Doing stuff for difficulty is okay in Insane diffs, but not in a Hard, unless it fits the spread which isn't the case here, so tell me, why did you use these overlaps in the first place?
keep in mind I myself don't really agree with the unrank, but since we're at this point already I might as well ask some unpleasant questions to make you think about your own mapping a bit

You're just asking what you won't understand.
A Subjective fact you won't probably like.
They flow well with the map, and most aren't even perceived.

Konei

2,959 posts

Joined March 2012

Konei 2013-11-07T19:10:05+00:00

Kodora wrote:
Zarerion wrote:
I like how you keep saying why it should not be unranked, but not why it should be ranked
Because it already was accepted as rankable (and was ranked).

Hope you got my answer.

Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.

Broccoly

1,359 posts

Joined May 2012

Broccoly 2013-11-07T19:23:42+00:00

Konei wrote:
Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.

Hm. I don't think that's a good example to the case here. There were no apparent unrankable issues but was unranked because of a rather subjective reason (complaints from some players and that of the unrank-BAT). Kodora is saying that since it doesn't go against any ranking rules the map is still rankable as it was, although the map's style is controversial.

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-07T19:40:37+00:00

Konei wrote:
Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.

For this case was no any misunderstanding of ranking rules and this was already pointed out several times here. This unrank is subjective, and also very, very questionable.

Anyway, let's do everything to re-rank it quick.

HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-07T20:10:28+00:00

Konei wrote:
Kodora wrote:
Because it already was accepted as rankable (and was ranked).

Hope you got my answer.
Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.

Other than what they say.
I've seen BATs who misunderstood rules/guidelines, and made the mapper remove some awesome things.
Ah, Zarerion pretty much asked an objective response to an answer like "Why you like that kind of pizza?" or probably a better metaphor, "Why you cook meat like this?, which is pretty impossible to find.

Garven

osu! Alumni

5,857 posts

Joined January 2010

Garven 2013-11-08T03:22:24+00:00

Awesome as is horrible, right?

Anyway, you can always silence the ticks during the beginning if that's your qualm about using rate 2, Kodora.

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2013-11-09T10:29:36+00:00

Imo gap between insane-hard and hard-normal is quite equal. You can argue about overlaps on hard which some players may find harass a bit (you can't please everyone after all).... but gap is not the case, seriously.

Momochikun

1,954 posts

Joined October 2012

Momochikun 2013-11-09T10:48:51+00:00

To be honest.. i'm feel really confusing at some part of this map -w-
There're some note that completely hidden with the slidertrack
Well.. good luck on rerank this !

banvi

1,793 posts

Joined June 2009

banvi 2013-11-09T11:31:37+00:00

First, the difficulty spread is fine imo.
About some notes hidden by the slidertrack in kodora's Hard, I passed in the first play (certainly it's hard to read... but it's nice idea imo)
People have different tastes, but at least I think it doesn't need to fix.
Anyway I think this really don't deserve to be unranked :<

Well, it's just my opinion.
I hope this map get re-ranked soon ></

soulfear

947 posts

Joined January 2010

soulfear 2013-11-09T14:11:53+00:00

星爷和Kodora终究不能达成真爱，看来爱♂情是艰难的，我又相信爱♂情了。

Kodora

Kodora 2013-11-09T16:34:53+00:00

Fear变态 >_>

Chloe

1,162 posts

Joined April 2011

Chloe 2013-11-09T20:21:52+00:00

Kodora wrote:
Fear变态 >_>

tutuhaha

3,053 posts

Joined October 2010

tutuhaha 2013-11-09T20:51:53+00:00

Kodora wrote:
Fear变态 >_>

mod

14:19 tutuhaha: :O about you hard？
14:19 Kodora: yes o.o
14:21 Kodora: OAO
14:23 tutuhaha: 00:17:343 (1) - I dont really like this one
14:24 Kodora: well that will be changed
14:25 tutuhaha: 00:32:657 (3,4) - maybe make more far space╮(￣▽￣")╭？...
14:26 tutuhaha: 00:37:657 (1,2) - ^ This one you should make more big space ._.b
14:27 Kodora: OAO
14:27 Kodora: maybe you're right ._.
14:28 tutuhaha: 01:02:972 (7,8) - this part is litter bit hard
14:28 Kodora: will change this
14:29 Kodora: unstack should works better
14:30 tutuhaha: 01:15:160 (1,2) - change the place
14:31 Kodora: O_O
14:31 Kodora: how
14:31 tutuhaha: 01:25:161 (1,2) - more big space
14:33 tutuhaha: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1090531
14:34 Kodora: oh silly me
14:34 Kodora: you're right ._>
14:34 Kodora: ._.
14:34 Kodora: will fix
14:35 Kodora: anything other? o.o
14:36 tutuhaha: wwww nope
14:42 Kodora: OAO
14:42 Kodora: post log pls
14:42 Kodora: Yuko will give kd
14:43 Kodora: and thank you very much for your help <3
14:43 tutuhaha: kkkk XD

HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-10T00:07:18+00:00

I Re-Equalised the mp3 Garven posted to be less loud and less flat, applied the timing to my difficulty and found the video offset of it (which is 530)

Irreversible

osu! Alumni

4,317 posts

Joined December 2011

Irreversible 2013-11-10T00:11:39+00:00

Uhm, as soon as you've fixed the stuff and you're ready, you can call me for a rebubble~

Avena

2,158 posts

Joined December 2012

Avena 2013-11-11T12:46:01+00:00

:comment deleted by self to stop the army of chinese BATs:

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HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-11T12:53:17+00:00

One does not simply say "this is bad" "this suxxx" and so without even suggesting how to correct it.

Avena

2,158 posts

Joined December 2012

Avena 2013-11-11T13:01:48+00:00

HakuNoKaemi wrote:
One does not simply say "this is bad" "this suxxx" and so without even suggesting how to correct it.

He knows what I am talking about, but he is living in denial.

popner

osu! Alumni

2,407 posts

Joined March 2011

popner 2013-11-11T13:12:56+00:00

First time to see such an offensive mod. The mapper don't need to reply anything to things like this.

Avena

2,158 posts

Joined December 2012

Avena 2013-11-11T13:17:42+00:00

popner wrote:
First time to see such an offensive mod. The mapper don't need to reply anything to things like this.

That's because you don't know our history.
Yea this mod is under the category of "stupid", but to be honest this isn't even a mod, this is just be expressing how much I hate his ignorance.
And no, it doesn't work well in PM with him.

Scorpiour

2,633 posts

Joined May 2011

Scorpiour 2013-11-11T13:38:04+00:00

just remind:

mod is a serious thing and aiming to help mapper but not to throw the paragraph of bil

HakuNoKaemi

3,828 posts

Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-11T13:38:49+00:00

I can say:

I like those parts. I won't change them myself as a mapper. (Yes, in my maps, guest mapper say I can choose what to apply for them, since I kinda know what's good and bad for them )

Priti wrote:
Kodora's Hard
00:07:030 (5,1) - no.
00:14:374 (4,2) - NO, JUST NO
00:24:531 (1,2,3) - I DON'T CARE THAT THE DISTANCE SNAPPING SAYS OTHERWISE, THIS IS A JUMP AND IT'S A RETARDED UNNEEDED ONE fix pls kthx
00:49:221 (1,2,3) - NO, DON'T, STOP IT
00:55:784 - Why did you turn off the kiai here for no reason, fixpls. Fountain
00:57:502 (5,2) - I am running out of jokes.
00:59:534 (4,5) - porque.
01:02:972 (7,8) - ...
01:06:409 - 01:11:410 - No kiai for no reason? ._. The reason is quite obvious. The "weight" of the part after is higher.
01:07:503 (5,2) - ew
Ohwait you are going to deny my WHOLE MOD using the two key words "subjective" and "questionable"
gaeb nuke pls

Things I could suggest to change

[*]00:11:874 (6,7,1) - HOW DO I FLOW AND LOGIC LOLZ

Like this

224,280,11874,2,0,P|144:240|48:288,1,172,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
140,356,12343,1,8,0:0:0:0:
69,263,12499,6,0,P|60:212|40:164,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
136,44,12812,2,0,P|145:95|165:143,1,86,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

[*]00:22:969 (1,2) - This is uglier than my yearbook pic

Nope, it's the (2,3) the problem, a nicer blanketing would work just good
http://puu.sh/5faQe.png
(3,4)

336,56,23750,2,0,B|360:116|328:160|328:160|348:180,1,137.6
348,180,24219,1,2,0:0:0:0:]

[*]00:25:469 (3,1) - NO, STOP IT

(3,4)

128,72,26250,2,0,B|104:120|136:172|136:172|112:196,1,137.6,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
113,195,26719,1,2,0:0:0:0:

[*]00:42:658 (1) - Should start at 00:43:126

Well, the spinner do follow the guitar, so make it start later and add a circle in [*]00:42:658 (1) -

[*]00:51:408 (4,1) - do u even try to map well.

*bad laughs*

432,256,51408,2,0,P|384:304|284:296,1,172,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,216,51877,1,0,0:0:0:0:
343,314,52033,6,0,B|312:312|284:296|284:296|224:264|164:308,1,172

Things I don't know how to suggest better since it would change the flow too much (yes, the fact you used the same pattern many time is still there u,u)

[*]00:16:875 (4,1) - If I can't click on 1 in editor because of 4 COMPLETELY 100% blocking it, it means you did something wrong You can click it on the timeline, though
[*][*]00:37:032 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This whole thing is just wrong.
[*]00:39:220 (2,1) - do u evn try to flow well.
[*]00:40:001 (2) - Ugly as hell
[*]00:40:783 (1,2,3,4) - Switch between 1 and 3's location, this shape is too confusing for people who are supposed to play a hard diff which for you just seems like an easier insane without caring about the PLAYERS, idgaf about your playtesters because YOUR PLAYTESTERS ARE AT INSANE LEVEL, NOT HARD LEVEL scbhsmkjlasbncdkajbgjs It's still kinda easy for an Insane, and kinda intuitive to play, since there is a pitch jump in (3,4)
[*]00:41:720 (1,2,3,4) - ^

Broccoly

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Broccoly 2013-11-11T18:44:54+00:00

Priti wrote:
00:22:969 (1,2) - This is uglier than my yearbook pic

im crying

Konei

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Konei 2013-11-12T16:01:50+00:00

Kodora wrote:
x0.25 SV raisings aren't even noticeable much.

Do you even notice how subjective your arguments are? I broke combo often because of those speed ups and yes, they are noticeable for me.
The way too similar combo colours aren't helping much either.

HakuNoKaemi

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Joined October 2009

HakuNoKaemi 2013-11-12T17:13:25+00:00

Konei wrote:
Kodora wrote:
x0.25 SV raisings aren't even noticeable much.
Do you even notice how subjective your arguments are? I broke combo often because of those speed ups and yes, they are noticeable for me.
The way too similar combo colours aren't helping much either.

Objectivity doesn't exist in mapping ( because mapping itself is subjective, and if it wasn't... well, we would map in the same way ), so a mapper that won't accept (faulty) subjective arguments answering them with subjective counter-arguments* isn't in fault.

*in this case, you can "feel" how the song rhythm "feel" faster, so the change of the SV is actually normally playable. As a plus, SV changes were made to map these parts where music speed "feel" change. (You can descrive it as a light part that goes to an heavy part, or as a holded note/part with more holded notes or so )

wcx19911123

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wcx19911123 2013-11-12T17:27:49+00:00

I'm just wondering how many people supported the unrank now. the spread is totally fine to mostly players imo: usual Easy+ a bit hard Normal+ hard Hard+ a bit hard Insane
maybe the only thing is the hidden objects, but it's as easy to read as other patterns with those conspicuous approach circles

Garven

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Garven 2013-11-13T04:27:35+00:00

The map has already been changed from what I understand. It definitely could stand to be improved regardless of whether it was unrankable or not, so we may as well take the opportunity to make it better.

Wish people wouldn't bite so hard on the obvious trolling though. Priti: Consider yourself warned.

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